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El Stroko Guapo - 14 Oct 2008 19:29 GMT
The lovely Deborah has decided to go dry - she gets even colder than I.
She has perused the DUI website, and is more confused than when she began.

Is DUI still the suit of choice?

Which layout/version would be most appropriate for a skinny female, boat
diving in southern winter waters?

Recommendations for drysuit vendors and instructors in SoFla?

Any other comments/advice?

esg
1hogrider - 14 Oct 2008 20:58 GMT
> The lovely Deborah has decided to go dry - she gets even colder than I.
> She has perused the DUI website, and is more confused than when she began.

Mike I have a DUI CNSE and am quite happy with it.
http://www.dui-online.com/dry_cnse.html

> Is DUI still the suit of choice?

It was for me.  FWIW, one of the instructors at the LDS had a repair
issue with his drysuit and couldn't get it repaired in time for a class
this past weekend.  He and I are about the same size so I offered to let
him use my drysuit.  When he gave it back to me he had nothing but
positive things to say about it.  His regular suit is a Viking.

> Which layout/version would be most appropriate for a skinny female, boat
> diving in southern winter waters?

How cold do the waters get?  Mine is 1.5mil compressed neoprene.  I
generally wear a sweat shirt and blue jeans and am comfortable in 50-60
deg water.

> Recommendations for drysuit vendors and instructors in SoFla?

Can't help you there.  My LDS gave me a preferred customer price on mine
which included the canvas carrying bag, rock boots, wrist seal
lubricant, zipper wax, and a drysuit class.

Andy
El Stroko Guapo - 15 Oct 2008 02:22 GMT
David In NH - 15 Oct 2008 22:55 GMT
> The lovely Deborah has decided to go dry - she gets even colder than I.
> She has perused the DUI website, and is more confused than when she began.
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>
> esg

WOW! A SCUBA question! Who'd a thunk it?

As for DUI, I dive a TLS-350 and love it. Wore my wetsuit (full 7mil) a
total of 3 times this summer. Decided last Saturday's dives (65 minutes and
54 minutes at 50 degrees) was the last time I'll use it this year. Still
like the smaller weight requirements diving wet but I'm turning into a wimp
once it gets below 50 degrees.

As for which suit to use, the trilam suits are really suitable for any
temperature as you just alter the undergarments you use. My heavy fleece top
and bottoms along with a wicking polypro. set of underwear keeps me
comfortable well into the 40s. I can always add an extra layer.

In SoFla, I'd guess that a light layer of non-cotton would do the trick.
(Cotton holds the moisture and your sweat will chill you.)

Good luck.
Clifford Beshers - 16 Oct 2008 02:33 GMT
> The lovely Deborah has decided to go dry - she gets even colder than I.
> She has perused the DUI website, and is more confused than when she began.
>
> Is DUI still the suit of choice?

As far as I know, yes.

> Which layout/version would be most appropriate for a skinny female, boat
> diving in southern winter waters?

She should ask about the 30/30, which is designed for use between
30deg North and south, hence your area.   It's GoreTeX, breathable,
suitable for warm temps on the surface, in theory.  I can't endorse it
one way or the other, don't know anyone who has any experience with
it, but DUI would certainly recommend it as a possibility, I think.
Star - 17 Oct 2008 05:49 GMT
> The lovely Deborah has decided to go dry - she gets even colder than I.
> She has perused the DUI website, and is more confused than when she began.

> Is DUI still the suit of choice?

They're not bad :-)

> Which layout/version would be most appropriate for a skinny female, boat
> diving in southern winter waters?

Firstly, a shell suit is important.  I will bet she dives with very
little lead thus does not want to start skewing her buoyancy.  Any
neoprene will make her feel like a cork bobber.  In warmer cold water,
60-70° F, a 200 gram thermal undergarment will probably do, with a
layer of underarmour if needed.

DUI offers a TLS350 which works well. I've dived this suit for nearly
a decade and like some features such as the front entry - I don't
always have someone handy to give me a zip. That said, the DUI suits
have a good deal of material around the middle due to the telescoping
torso needed to allow one to actually get into the suit.  The extra
fabric adds a little drag that a larger person might not notice, but I
feel it.  And as JOF says, the DUI suits make women look like shorty-
a.s men who look funny.  But I digress.

I have another suit, a prototype kind of thing that never really was
marketed anywhere.  It's snug, I can move freely, and it doesn't have
the extra mid-section material because its back zip.  This suit is
totally no frills and I love it in the water because it's so
streamlined.

She will be most pleased with a shell suit that fits well (go for
custom if you have to; my DUI was made before they had XS suits on the
rack. I've heard pro and con on the zip seals as I've always had only
the original model.  Get the warm neck seal and a thigh pocket, for
sure.

> Recommendations for drysuit vendors and instructors in SoFla?

I can't help you there, but whomever sells you the suit should throw
in a drysuit "class" or orientation.  It's a stupid "class" as all you
really need si someone who dives dry regularly and knows enough to use
the suit inflation for warmth, not for buoyancy.

> Any other comments/advice?

good luck, and do share what she decides.

*
She's very much more than a dive babe, but they don't have a name for
it on this planet yet.
~ Douglas W. Popeye Frederick
Don - 17 Oct 2008 12:38 GMT
> The lovely Deborah has decided to go dry - she gets even colder than
> I. She has perused the DUI website, and is more confused than when
> she began.
>
> Is DUI still the suit of choice?

Don't know about that. There are a number of
divers around here in DUI, but  DiveRite and
a local mod who do crushed neoprene are also
popular.

Tri-lam suits have pros and cons, IMHO -- Note
that I dive in a DiveRite tri-lam suit.

The positive, others in the thread have mentioned,
it has minimal effect on the buoyancy.

The two negative points  that may need to be
considered are:

in really cold water I find that I have condensation
on the inside of the suit that leaves me damp after
a dive.

Others tell me that crushed neoprene is more resistant
to abrasion. This sort of surprises me since my DR
has Kevlar patches all over it - but I do know that
I've had a few small leaks patched in the 2-3 years
I've used my suit.

YMMV, etc.

> Which layout/version would be most appropriate for a skinny female,
> boat diving in southern winter waters?

<opinion>
You could get away with nearly anything in the conditions
there.
</opinion>

In my opinion, one fo the best undersuits that you can get
is a weezle from this mob: http://www.weezle.co.uk/
I've used two of theirs. One was too warm the other is OK.

In 50 F here I've tried the Weasel Extreme+ which I personally
found to be just too much. I now use the lightest weight
Weasel - the Compact which was fine all through the Winter.
(If it thought I was going to get cold, I'd add some Damart
long underwear underneath. (I suppose that's the best bit
about drysuits generally -- you can add or subtract the
layers of undergarmets to suit conditions. And it's a really
individual thing -- some people feel the cold a lot more or
less than others. get what's right for her.)

> Recommendations for drysuit vendors and instructors in SoFla?
>
> Any other comments/advice?

The reality here was that I had to do a weekend PADI
course before I could get on a charter boat with a
drysuit. I did it all by the book in the course, and then
promptly moved to a "minimum gas in the drysuit/ control
buoyancy with the BC" approach as soon as I started diving
after the class. There is simply no way to control buoyancy
deep by using the drysuit with 300 bar 2 x 12 liter cylinders --
they're just too damn heavy.

Hope this is useful...

-Don
Joerg Hahn - 17 Oct 2008 18:06 GMT
Hi,

>>Is DUI still the suit of choice?

DUI - Dry until immersed ;-)

Still a good choice. Here(tm) is 6 deg Celsius or less.
Here(tm) is min 20m to 65+m.

My recent drysuit is a TLS350. Works fine.
I always use the mentioned Weezle Extreme+, which is
comparable to 400g stuff.

I used a Mobbys Twin Shell 4 years long and finally was glad
to get rid of it. No comparision with the TLS350. Like
Beetle and Porsche.

> The positive, others in the thread have mentioned,
> it has minimal effect on the buoyancy.

Which is remarkable nice for the cellar guys...
If used in the range of 0 ... 30m rec range I would prefer a
neoprene which is warmer by it self.

> The two negative points  that may need to be
> considered are:
>
> in really cold water I find that I have condensation
> on the inside of the suit that leaves me damp after
> a dive.

This seems to be a "problem" of the Weezle. It tranfers
sweat and damp fast to the outside and it condenses within
the Trilam. You still stay very dry on the skin. You should
use the appropriate Weezle naked.

> I've had a few small leaks patched in the 2-3 years

Null.

> In my opinion, one fo the best undersuits that you can get
> is a weezle from this mob: http://www.weezle.co.uk/
> I've used two of theirs. One was too warm the other is OK.

Definitly. The best.

> after the class. There is simply no way to control buoyancy
> deep by using the drysuit with 300 bar 2 x 12 liter cylinders --

Well, I tend to use only the drysuit first.
Only with stages and wreck I use the jacket.

Joerg

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