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hierophantfish@hotmail.com - 24 Sep 2008 03:17 GMT
I just read about your adventure in Bonaire.  That shore dive,  Old
Blue,  where your wife broke her ankle, was one of the hardest shore
dives that I had as far as getting out of the water.  Getting into the
water there is a piece of cake,  although I do recall that we decided
to walk to the left side of the beach for entry  (if you are facing
the water)  to get away from the large outcrop of rocks on the shore.
The area we entered was all smaller rocks which,  as it turns out,
give way under your footing as you try to exit the surf.  In the
future,  I will take off my BC  (weight-integrated)  while it's fully
inflated and have a rope attached to it so that I can pull it and my
tank on shore.  I'm thinking that after I take off my fins,  hold them
and swim in to shore,  it would be much easier to pull my BC / tank up
to the beach then to try to exit there fully donned in scuba gear.
Hindsight is always 20/20.

At any rate,  I wish your wife a speedy recovery.
Greg Mossman - 24 Sep 2008 03:49 GMT
On Sep 23, 7:17 pm, hierophantf...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I just read about your adventure in Bonaire.  That shore dive,  Old
> Blue,  where your wife broke her ankle, was one of the hardest shore
> dives that I had as far as getting out of the water.  Getting into the
> water there is a piece of cake,  although I do recall that we decided
> to walk to the left side of the beach for entry  (if you are facing
> the water)  to get away from the large outcrop of rocks on the shore.

Hah.  Exactly what we did.  I saw one access that would have been a
steep dirt slope and chose the smaller rocks/coral rubble.  In
retrospect...

> The area we entered was all smaller rocks which,  as it turns out,
> give way under your footing as you try to exit the surf.  In the
> future,  I will take off my BC  (weight-integrated)  while it's fully
> inflated and have a rope attached to it so that I can pull it and my
> tank on shore.  

Maybe someone could invent some wheels to stick on the tank side of
the BC.  Simply take off BC and wheel it up attached by the rope.
Wouldn't work for the stair entries, though.  I still think my scuba
caddy idea is the best one.  Pay some kids to break their backs and
ankles since they're young enough to heal easily.  That might give the
kids some legit revenue so they can buy their drugs and candy without
having to rip off divers' parked vehicles.

If I can't get elected in this country, maybe I could run for
President of Bonaire.  Do you have to be born there?

> I'm thinking that after I take off my fins,  hold them
> and swim in to shore,  it would be much easier to pull my BC / tank up
> to the beach then to try to exit there fully donned in scuba gear.
> Hindsight is always 20/20.

Yep.  Janna and I both agreed it would have better had she taken off
her gear and let me lug it up the hill.  My ankles have bent so many
times, I don't think they can break.  But even with a prescription
mask, her hindsight wasn't working too well.  And, of course, had she
asked me then, as we were walking from the nice cool water through 95
degrees of arid Bonaire desert hell on our way to a nice air-
conditioned truck, I would have replied "are you high?".

> At any rate,  I wish your wife a speedy recovery.

Thank you.  I'll relay that and your thoughts about Old Blue.  That's
one site she'll never have fond memories of, though she still loves
the island.
hierophantfish@hotmail.com - 24 Sep 2008 07:45 GMT
> On Sep 23, 7:17 pm, hierophantf...@hotmail.com wrote:
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> one site she'll never have fond memories of, though she still loves
> the island.

I'm laughing at your comments above.  OK to poke fun of things even if
it wasn't funny at the time. You and your wife didn't have something
life-threatening happen.  Things are good.  But hey,  if you have to
be her slave for a while,  then you should start taking notes because
she is going to heal up fine and then it's your turn to be the one in
need.  Hahaha  Serious, I don't like Old Blue for that reason of it's
hard to exit.  It looks like just a little shore dive and it robs you
of your ego.  I came outta there with an attitude.  I was pissed off
as hell that I had to struggle to get out.  So tell your wife that she
did just fine in her exit.  The beach ended up winning but she put up
a good match!
Joe English - 24 Sep 2008 14:27 GMT
>> On Sep 23, 7:17 pm, hierophantf...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
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> it wasn't funny at the time. You and your wife didn't have something
> life-threatening happen.  

unless the pain kills her

Things are good.  But hey,  if you have to
> be her slave for a while,  then you should start taking notes because
> she is going to heal up fine and then it's your turn to be the one in
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> did just fine in her exit.  The beach ended up winning but she put up
> a good match!
Joe - 24 Sep 2008 23:46 GMT
What you are talking about. I done Old Blue at night. No issues. Just
another rocky entry you need to be careful about, like any other.

Maybe you guys are overweight or not fit to shore dive anymore.

>I just read about your adventure in Bonaire.  That shore dive,  Old
>Blue,  where your wife broke her ankle, was one of the hardest shore
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>At any rate,  I wish your wife a speedy recovery.
Greg Mossman - 25 Sep 2008 01:57 GMT
> What you are talking about. I done Old Blue at night. No issues. Just
> another rocky entry you need to be careful about, like any other.
>
> Maybe you guys are overweight or not fit to shore dive anymore.

Maybe.  Personally I didn't have any issues.  Then again, a 40 lb tank
on my back is nothing compared to a 40 lb tank on the back of a woman
who weighs much less than me and doesn't have the same torso and leg
strength.  I'm surmising that as a Joe, you're probably male too,
though there are females named Jo.  Maybe women shouldn't shore dive,
or maybe they're at more risk than men when they do.  Janna has done
about 30 shore dives in Bonaire, plus plenty of shore dives elsewhere,
and that was the first ankle she ever broke.  I've since spoken with
many people about the incident with lots of combined experience diving
in Bonaire and I've heard all sorts of stories from close calls to
injuries worse than what she suffered.

The fact is that the rocks shifted under her feet.  Normally, one
would catch their step and keep going.  Unfortunately she got off
balance enough, and was top heavy enough with a tank and weights on
her back, that she couldn't arrest the momentum of her falling.  The
best thing she could have done was to "let go" and tumble with the
tank.  You get a bit bruised and dirty, dust yourself off, pick
yourself up, and keep going.  I've done that plenty of times with a
little wave action and my only worry has been landing on the pointy
end of sea urchins.  Unfortunately she kept trying to arrest the fall
even when it was past the point of no return, and her handy-dandy dive
boots had such a great tread that they allowed her foot to stick
nicely to the rocks and not slide along with the rest of her.  Result
was a spiral fracture of the fibula.

But it's sure nice for a random Joe to share his hindsight and think
he might know better.  Thanks for your input.
hierophantfish@hotmail.com - 25 Sep 2008 21:33 GMT
> What you are talking about. I done Old Blue at night. No issues. Just
> another rocky entry you need to be careful about, like any other.
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> >At any rate,  I wish your wife a speedy recovery.

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The entry wasn't the problem.  As I stated, it was a piece of cake.
The exit was the problem.  I was told by the dive shop that the day we
tried Old Blue, the wind was blowing up the shoreline and causing an
extraordinary hard surf.  Two other divers who were staying at Buddy
Dive, but not in our group, got banged up really bad.  Two of the guys
I was with had very little difficulty exiting the beach.  The third
did and I did.  I simply couldn't stand up with the tank weight and my
weights without being knocked down by a wave because the combination
of the surf and the stones moving under my feet made it impossible for
me.  I ended up crawling out on my knees and feeling like an idiot.
I'm not overweight.  I do a great many shore dives as part of a marine
rescue unit.  Go ahead and be critical.  As anyone who has been diving
for a number of years knows, conditions at any dive site can change
and often do. SO maybe you caught it on a calm night.  Or are you so
egocentric to that you're a super diver?
 
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