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CGuynn - 17 Sep 2008 22:01 GMT
If I recall correctly, you are in the LA area.  Is that correct?

I'm scheduled to be in San Jose/Fremont the week of October 6-12 and,
if it isn't too far from you, I'd be willing to buy you a drink or two
if you wanted to get together.  Yeah, I know that 5 hours or so is a
long drive, but I'm coming way more than halfway.  :-)

Anyway, if you happen to be in the area, the offer stands.  If not,
well, stop being a loser.
Greg Mossman - 18 Sep 2008 00:08 GMT
> If I recall correctly, you are in the LA area.  Is that correct?
>
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> Anyway, if you happen to be in the area, the offer stands.  If not,
> well, stop being a loser.

For you, I might even make the drive.  Especially since I have a
couple old buddies in Sunnyvale and Fremont that I don't visit enough.

The only issue is what's happening with Janna's medical issues at the
time.  It now turns out she needs surgery, so tomorrow morning she
gets a plate and 6 screws in the ankle.  She needs to get reopened and
have a screw removed a couple weeks later.  By 10/6 she should be OK
to make the drive with me; otherwise, I'm not sure how mobile she'll
be to get around on her own if I were to take off for a few days.
Janna is far more liberal than me, so if I feel like taking a break
and sipping my beer in between berating you for your warped views,
she'll take over and harrass you until you turn blue.

Plus you'll be in ultraliberal NoCal and if I need more
reinforcements, all I have to do is wave my trampled-on flag.  Ya sure
you don't wanna stay in safe Texas?

Now if you're not a loser, I'll even double-dare you to make a dive.
I've never gotten wet up thar in them frigid Monterey waters, but I
can tell you that San Jose is a heck of a lot closer to decent kelp
diving than anywhere in Texas and it's not gonna get much warmer than
in October.  I could probably even come up with dive gear that would
fit you and save on rental costs.  What say you try to work in enough
time for a little dip in the pond?  Figure an hour each way of drive
time, an hour for the dive, and an hour for good measure (or beer),
and I only need a half-day to make you a real man.  Game or loser?
You take your pick.
CGuynn - 18 Sep 2008 16:50 GMT
> > If I recall correctly, you are in the LA area.  Is that correct?
>
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> to make the drive with me; otherwise, I'm not sure how mobile she'll
> be to get around on her own if I were to take off for a few days.

I hope it all works out okay.  Both for her sake and so I can finally
meet you and raise my count of rec.scubans I've met all the way to
two.

> Janna is far more liberal than me, so if I feel like taking a break
> and sipping my beer in between berating you for your warped views,
> she'll take over and harrass you until you turn blue.

Sounds like good times.

I'm pretty closed minded though, so it's quite possible she'll be
berating me until *she* turns blue.  On the other hand, I'm not as
conservative as you might imagine (and as I've probably portrayed
myself in this group).  I do have a gun and I do support smaller
government, but I'm not entirely opposed to letting a woman make up
her own mind about abortion.  That's gotta be good for something.

> Plus you'll be in ultraliberal NoCal and if I need more
> reinforcements, all I have to do is wave my trampled-on flag.  Ya sure
> you don't wanna stay in safe Texas?

Not really an option.  I've got a new job that requires some training
for some specialized services we're about to start offering.  The boss
came in and told me I needed to go.  I argued with him for a while,
but in the end he's just more stubborn than me.  Plus, he controls the
paycheck.

> Now if you're not a loser, I'll even double-dare you to make a dive.
> I've never gotten wet up thar in them frigid Monterey waters, but I
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> and I only need a half-day to make you a real man.  Game or loser?
> You take your pick.

Whew, at least it wasn't a triple dog dare.  Who could turn down a
triple dog dare?  Since it's just a double-dare, I guess I could turn
it down and still save some face.

Honestly, I'll look into my schedule and see if I can squeeze in a day
to try out my new wetsuit in a real diving situation (i.e. not in a
swimming pool).  It's just a 1 mil though.  Do you think that will be
enough?  I'm pretty comfortable in shorts and a t-shirt down to about
70 for an hour or so.
Greg Mossman - 18 Sep 2008 17:14 GMT
> I hope it all works out okay.  Both for her sake and so I can finally
> meet you and raise my count of rec.scubans I've met all the way to
> two.

We'll find out more today.  Otherwise, all I know is we have a follow-
up appointment scheduled for next week, then she has to go in at some
point to have a screw removed and get sewn up again.  Then there's the
issue of her sitting in a car for 5-6 hours, which might not be too
comfortable.  Maybe I'll fly up.

> I'm pretty closed minded though, so it's quite possible she'll be
> berating me until *she* turns blue.  On the other hand, I'm not as
> conservative as you might imagine (and as I've probably portrayed
> myself in this group).  I do have a gun and I do support smaller
> government, but I'm not entirely opposed to letting a woman make up
> her own mind about abortion.  That's gotta be good for something.

That would probably be her biggest issue, so now we at least don't
have to worry about getting kicked out of the pub.

> Not really an option.  I've got a new job that requires some training
> for some specialized services we're about to start offering.  The boss
> came in and told me I needed to go.  I argued with him for a while,
> but in the end he's just more stubborn than me.  Plus, he controls the
> paycheck.

Aw, shucks, making you travel to California.  Ya know, plenty of
people pay good money to spend their vacations here.  It could be
worse, they could have sent you to a swampy hellhole like Florida.

> > Now if you're not a loser, I'll even double-dare you to make a dive.
> > I've never gotten wet up thar in them frigid Monterey waters, but I
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> triple dog dare?  Since it's just a double-dare, I guess I could turn
> it down and still save some face.

Good.  That cold water diving is for tough guys.  It's much more fun
to drink beer instead.

> Honestly, I'll look into my schedule and see if I can squeeze in a day
> to try out my new wetsuit in a real diving situation (i.e. not in a
> swimming pool).  It's just a 1 mil though.  Do you think that will be
> enough?  I'm pretty comfortable in shorts and a t-shirt down to about
> 70 for an hour or so.- Hide quoted text -

Ho ho ho.  Even the hairiest gas man I know would have an issue doing
one of his lake dives in Monterey without a nice cozy wetsuit.  1mm?
Not a chance, unless you've had recent Navy SEAL training.  The
warmest it gets is mid-50s and there's a real big difference between
70 and mid-50s, especially when you're completely submerged.

I've done 52 in a 5mm farmer john.  A bit chilled by the third dive of
the day, but it was certainly doable and not even too uncomfortable.
On the other hand, I've dove in the low 60s in T-shirt and shorts,
dipping down into a thermocline easily in the 50s (not long enough to
let my computer register the temp!) and can tell you that it's damn
hard to keep a reg in your mouth when your teeth start chattering
uncontrollably.  Monterey diving is difficult enough that it's nice to
have all your motor control and mental faculties in case you need them
and cold can certainly numb body and and mind to dangerous levels.

But we could always rent you a suit for the price of a decent pint and
I think you'd find it worth the few bucks.  Or I have various
"hyperstretch" suit components in XXL that you could layer over the
1mm and maybe get enough for comfort.

I'll write back this afternoon after the cutting is done and I've
figured out my calendar.  If I end up flying, I definitely won't be
diving since I'll have to fly right back the next day and don't want
to lug gear or risk DCS.
CGuynn - 29 Sep 2008 00:54 GMT
> > I hope it all works out okay.  Both for her sake and so I can finally
> > meet you and raise my count of rec.scubans I've met all the way to
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> diving since I'll have to fly right back the next day and don't want
> to lug gear or risk DCS.

Well, it doesn't look like I'll have a lot of time for diving on this
particular trip.  I should have plenty of time for a drink or six
though.
Greg Mossman - 29 Sep 2008 17:27 GMT
> Well, it doesn't look like I'll have a lot of time for diving on this
> particular trip.  I should have plenty of time for a drink or six
> though.

I'm having major Google issues.  Barely let me post at all last night
before telling me I was at my "limit" whatever that is.  Tried sending
you a PM but not sure if it made it.  Here's what I wrote:

Janna's not the most independent paraplegic I've ever seen, so it's
gonna be difficult.  Either I drive up with her or I fly (or drive) up
by myself and she has to get by on her own.  Right now, I'm not too
confident about the latter option.  The former might be a go if I can
time it right, but the big Hispanic foods trade show in L.A. is at the
end of your time frame and I really should be attending that for at
least a day.  I'd make the six-hour drive north, have beer with you
etc., and drive the six-hour drive back the next day, but that's a lot
of driving.  I might be able to pull two nights which would make it a
lot easier, but then Janna will worry about the cats left behind and
probably try to invoke the pet sitter.

So do this for me please, let me know via e-mail where you're staying
and what nights are best for you to take off, and I'll try to see if I
can work a mini-roadtrip into my plans whereby we can have drinks, I
can hook up with my old buddies, and make sure Janna isn't too
uncomfortable during 12 hours of road travel.
CGuynn - 30 Sep 2008 23:26 GMT
> > Well, it doesn't look like I'll have a lot of time for diving on this
> > particular trip.  I should have plenty of time for a drink or six
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> can hook up with my old buddies, and make sure Janna isn't too
> uncomfortable during 12 hours of road travel.

I was just informed today that I might either be going 1 week later or
that I might end up in Boston instead.

I'm a little frustrated today.  I should know more tomorrow, but (to
bring this back to scuba) I would suggest not holding your breath.
Greg Mossman - 01 Oct 2008 00:51 GMT
> > > Well, it doesn't look like I'll have a lot of time for diving on this
> > > particular trip.  I should have plenty of time for a drink or six
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> I'm a little frustrated today.  I should know more tomorrow, but (to
> bring this back to scuba) I would suggest not holding your breath.

Go to Boston.  It's lousy timing with Janna's injury.  Or better yet,
go to Vegas.  That's only a 3 hour drive for me and one I was planning
on doing next month anyway.
CGuynn - 08 Oct 2008 00:57 GMT
> > > > Well, it doesn't look like I'll have a lot of time for diving on this
> > > > particular trip.  I should have plenty of time for a drink or six
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> go to Vegas.  That's only a 3 hour drive for me and one I was planning
> on doing next month anyway.

Apparently, Dell decided to change the training dates and we had old
information concerning the previous trip plans.  This time, I'm
scheduled to be in Sunny California (Fremont/San Jose) for training
October 13-17.  If you can make it, I'd love to meet you.  If not, I'm
sure there will be other chances.

Oh yeah, and I hope Janna gets well.
Greg Mossman - 08 Oct 2008 01:15 GMT
> > > > > Well, it doesn't look like I'll have a lot of time for diving on this
> > > > > particular trip.  I should have plenty of time for a drink or six
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> October 13-17.  If you can make it, I'd love to meet you.  If not, I'm
> sure there will be other chances.

Most likely not, since I have a trade show Oct 13-14, and a 2-day CLE
(my compliance is due 2/09, so I have to catch up) on Employment Law
Oct 24-25 that I'm going to use as a mini-holiday in Downtown L.A., so
working another overnighter in between those dates will be tough even
if Janna weren't crippled.  On the other hand, I've been thinking
about blowing off the trade show, and maybe a six-hour drive wouldn't
be so bad if I could spend a couple nights up that way.  Let me think.

On the other hand, if you're not any further from Houston than I am
from San Jose, we'll be in your "neighborhood" the night on December 9
on the way to Cozumel.  I'm so sick of red-eyes, I figured a hotel
night in Houston couldn't be worse.  Maybe Grumman could join us.

> Oh yeah, and I hope Janna gets well.

Thanks.  With luck, you can tell her in person and even sign her pink
cast.
Greg Mossman - 08 Oct 2008 17:58 GMT
> > Apparently, Dell decided to change the training dates and we had old
> > information concerning the previous trip plans.  This time, I'm
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> about blowing off the trade show, and maybe a six-hour drive wouldn't
> be so bad if I could spend a couple nights up that way.  Let me think.

Naw, definitely not.  My truck is going into the shop today since it
wobbles side-to-side whenever I hit a bump.  A bit scary, especially
at freeway speeds when you wonder if it's gonna flip over.  I've put
it off for a while, but it's gotten worse and I most certainly
wouldn't want to drive it 300+ miles to San Jose.  Not sure if I'll
have it back by early next week, and I'm not making the drive in
Janna's itty bitty car.

And I also keep forgetting, probably intentionally, that my tax return
(on extension) is due 10/15.  I got most of it done before 4/15 when I
sent in a payment, but the way I procrastinate, the return will likely
be mailed on Wednesday right before 5 p.m.  Unless my truck is
miraculously healed, and I miraculously finish my tax return early,
I'll be staying at home.  Besides, I have a payroll that I need to do
the night of the 16th to pay my employees on the 17th.  It's just a
bad time overall.

> On the other hand, if you're not any further from Houston than I am
> from San Jose, we'll be in your "neighborhood" the night on December 9
> on the way to Cozumel.  I'm so sick of red-eyes, I figured a hotel
> night in Houston couldn't be worse.  Maybe Grumman could join us.

But my invite in Houston still stands.  I'll buy the drinks.
Greg Mossman - 08 Oct 2008 20:28 GMT
> Naw, definitely not.  My truck is going into the shop today since it
> wobbles side-to-side whenever I hit a bump.  A bit scary, especially
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> have it back by early next week, and I'm not making the drive in
> Janna's itty bitty car.

Back to maybe again.  Service guy thought he could have my truck back
today, but I'll believe it when I see it.  If it is ready today, or
even by Friday, and I can get my taxes done by Saturday, perhaps it's
a go after all.  I'd either be there Monday or Tuesday, after visiting
with a cousin in Santa Rosa on Sunday or Monday.  I'd kind of like to
take a long drive around now.  It would be good for the soul.  Nice
and peaceful between SoCal and NoCal on I-5, except for the part with
the smelly cows.  I'll update as soon as I hear when I get my truck.
Greg Mossman - 08 Oct 2008 20:56 GMT
> > Naw, definitely not.  My truck is going into the shop today since it
> > wobbles side-to-side whenever I hit a bump.  A bit scary, especially
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> and peaceful between SoCal and NoCal on I-5, except for the part with
> the smelly cows.  I'll update as soon as I hear when I get my truck.

OK, truck is supposed to be ready tomorrow afternoon.  I put a call
into the petsitter and left a message for my cousin.  If they're a go,
I'm a going.  Are you still going?  If so, e-mail me where you're
staying Monday and Tuesday and I'll try to get a place nearby or even
there if you had the foresight enough to choose a Starwood affiliate.

Oh, and the pet sitter just called back and says she can keep our cats
alive for the entire three days we'd be gone.  Just waiting on my
cousin, and still have to get my truck back tomorrow, but I'm almost
there.
CGuynn - 08 Oct 2008 21:37 GMT
> > > Naw, definitely not.  My truck is going into the shop today since it
> > > wobbles side-to-side whenever I hit a bump.  A bit scary, especially
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> cousin, and still have to get my truck back tomorrow, but I'm almost
> there.

I'm still going.  I'm flying into San Jose @ 12:05 pm (arrival) Oct
12.  I'm flying out @ 1:05 pm on Oct 18.  I'll be staying at the
Residence Inn Fremont/Silicon Valley at 5400 Farwell Place in Fremont.

Any idea if there are any good sushi bars in the area?  Don't worry, I
won't even attempt to find a decent BBQ joint.
Greg Mossman - 08 Oct 2008 22:26 GMT
> > > > Naw, definitely not.  My truck is going into the shop today since it
> > > > wobbles side-to-side whenever I hit a bump.  A bit scary, especially
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> Any idea if there are any good sushi bars in the area?  Don't worry, I
> won't even attempt to find a decent BBQ joint.

Satomi seems to be the favorite on this list, and not far at all from
your hotel:

http://www.yelp.com/search?find_loc=Fremont%2C+CA&cflt=sushi
http://www.yelp.com/biz/satomi-sushi-fremont

Wheelchair accessible, open Monday night, and even takes
reservations.  Wanna meet there?  We'll miss 99-cent sake night, but
you can always go back.  Are you going to have a car?
CGuynn - 08 Oct 2008 22:57 GMT
> > > > > Naw, definitely not.  My truck is going into the shop today since it
> > > > > wobbles side-to-side whenever I hit a bump.  A bit scary, especially
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> Wheelchair accessible, open Monday night, and even takes
> reservations.  Wanna meet there?  

Sounds like a plan to me.

> We'll miss 99-cent sake night, but
> you can always go back.  Are you going to have a car?

I haven't decided yet, but it doesn't sound like it'll be that much
more expensive than taking a cab everywhere and I won't have to wait
for a cab, so probably.
Greg Mossman - 09 Oct 2008 02:03 GMT
> Sounds like a plan to me.

Now it's not.  sh.t.  Sorry, but my flaky cousin changed her mind, and
before she changes it again, I figured I'd be spending too much time &
money getting there and back and decided to stay home.  Sorry.  Maybe
next time.

Let me know how the sushi is.
Greg Mossman - 09 Oct 2008 03:41 GMT
> > Sounds like a plan to me.
>
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>
> Let me know how the sushi is.

And now she's called me back to say she's maybe changing her mind.
50/50.  She'll know by Friday.  I really did want to go, so I guess
I'll give her till Friday and then I'll let you know for sure on
Friday.  Meanwhile I'll make a reservation at the sushi bar just in
case.  What time do you want to eat?  Janna's not drinking more than a
sip or two of anything, so if you need a DD, we can pick you up.
Joe - 09 Oct 2008 12:41 GMT
>>> Sounds like a plan to me.
>> Now it's not.  sh.t.  Sorry, but my flaky cousin changed her mind, and
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> case.  What time do you want to eat?  Janna's not drinking more than a
> sip or two of anything, so if you need a DD, we can pick you up.

Talk about flip flopping - no wonder you backed Hiliary and now Barack
Greg Mossman - 09 Oct 2008 16:38 GMT
> >>> Sounds like a plan to me.
> >> Now it's not.  sh.t.  Sorry, but my flaky cousin changed her mind, and
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>
> Talk about flip flopping - no wonder you backed Hiliary and now Barack

Didn't I tell you I'm voting for McCain?   (just kidding)

As nice a guy as Chris may be, I'm not making the 14-hour round trip
just to have sushi with him.  Nor was I planning on making the trip at
this time to meet up with my cousin.  But putting the two together has
a syngergistic effect.  Chris sounds like he's set now, so the weak
link is my cousin and she is a major flip-flopper that's for sure.
I'm just in the middle, so I'm taking absolutely no position right
now.  If tomorrow she says it's a go, I go.  If not, not.

But on the subject of flip-flopping, wasn't McCain recently against
offshore drilling before he now fervently supports it?  Wasn't he for
financial deregulation before he now fervently supports regulation?
Against the Bush tax cuts before he now fervently supports even more?
Now I've heard he's considering changing his name to Cain McJohn.
Joe - 10 Oct 2008 01:19 GMT
>>>>> Sounds like a plan to me.
>>>> Now it's not.  sh.t.  Sorry, but my flaky cousin changed her mind, and
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> link is my cousin and she is a major flip-flopper that's for sure.
> I'm just in the middle,

You have never been in the middle

 so I'm taking absolutely no position right
> now.  If tomorrow she says it's a go, I go.  If not, not.
>
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> Against the Bush tax cuts before he now fervently supports even more?
> Now I've heard he's considering changing his name to Cain McJohn.

sh.t, Greg, these damn politicians change their positions so many times
I can't keep it straight.  I can't wait for this crap to be over so the
airwaves will clean up.

I am of the opinion that no matter who is president - nothing is going
to change - Washington and our state legislatures or so screwed up
nothing will ever change
El Stroko Guapo - 10 Oct 2008 02:35 GMT
> But on the subject of flip-flopping, wasn't McCain recently against
> offshore drilling before he now fervently supports it?  Wasn't he for
> financial deregulation before he now fervently supports regulation?
> Against the Bush tax cuts before he now fervently supports even more?
> Now I've heard he's considering changing his name to Cain McJohn.

Of course McCain flip-flops. All politicians who've been around a long
time flip-flop. Times change, situations change, McCain changes.

Obama is a community organizer, and community organizers don't
flip-flop. In the several months he's been in national politics, he's
toed the party line, as is expected of every newbie.

But now that he's assumed the mantle of party leader, he's learning to
flip-flop. After months of fomenting panic, he said this morning to
relax, the economy is fundamentally sound.

And he's changing his middle name to Joe.
Greg Mossman - 10 Oct 2008 03:41 GMT
> But now that he's assumed the mantle of party leader, he's learning to
> flip-flop. After months of fomenting panic, he said this morning to
> relax, the economy is fundamentally sound.
>
> And he's changing his middle name to Joe.

Joe Bama?  It rhymes with Yo Mama.  I like it.

How're those investments going?  Still the right time to buy?

And as for Chris, it looks like I'm a going fer sure now.  E-mail me
your cell #, puh-leeze.  I promise no heavy breathing, unless I've
been running.
Greg Mossman - 10 Oct 2008 18:15 GMT
> > But now that he's assumed the mantle of party leader, he's learning to
> > flip-flop. After months of fomenting panic, he said this morning to
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> your cell #, puh-leeze.  I promise no heavy breathing, unless I've
> been running.

Don't bother.  Off again.  Is it fratricide to kill a cousin or is
there a better name for it?  She's only a second cousin, so hopefully
the courts will look kindly upon me.
El Stroko Guapo - 10 Oct 2008 23:25 GMT
>>>But now that he's assumed the mantle of party leader, he's learning to
>>>flip-flop. After months of fomenting panic, he said this morning to
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>>
>>How're those investments going?  Still the right time to buy?

Better than when I got in. I really thought our silver-tongued
president-to-be would show some leadership in this mess and try to calm
the panic. But all he offers is class warfare and $6 trillion (give or
take a trillion) in losses for main street. I guess his strategy is to
keep the panic going until Jan 20 so he'll have a better record to run
on in 2012, and I can wait - I'm no demlemming.
Joe - 11 Oct 2008 00:52 GMT
>>> But now that he's assumed the mantle of party leader, he's learning to
>>> flip-flop. After months of fomenting panic, he said this morning to
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> there a better name for it?  She's only a second cousin, so hopefully
> the courts will look kindly upon me.
Not in california, but I think it is okay to marry her
Chris Guynn - 11 Oct 2008 18:19 GMT
> On Oct 9, 6:35 pm, El Stroko Guapo <omg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
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> your cell #, puh-leeze. I promise no heavy breathing, unless I've
> been running.

Don't bother.  Off again.  Is it fratricide to kill a cousin or is
there a better name for it?  She's only a second cousin, so hopefully
the courts will look kindly upon me.

If it was Texas, "She deserved it" would be a valid defense.
Greg Mossman - 11 Oct 2008 22:20 GMT
> > On Oct 9, 6:35 pm, El Stroko Guapo <omg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
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>
> If it was Texas, "She deserved it" would be a valid defense.

Mechanics are screwing me around, so I don't have my truck back
anyway.  Supposed to be ready Thursday p.m., but some parts didn't
come in, so they said Friday p.m.  Parts still didn't all come in, so
now it's Tuesday p.m.  So I guess it's good I didn't try to keep to
the plan after all.

Looks like you got some good weather.  Enjoy.  Try to get into San
Francisco for a day or night at least, if you've never been.  It's
worth the drive or there's a commuter train you can take.  Dungeness
crab season just opened and they sell them at Fisherman's Wharf ready
for eating.
Chris Guynn - 12 Oct 2008 05:54 GMT
On Oct 11, 10:19 am, "Chris Guynn" <chris.gu...@gmail.net> wrote:
> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> If it was Texas, "She deserved it" would be a valid defense.

Mechanics are screwing me around, so I don't have my truck back
anyway.  Supposed to be ready Thursday p.m., but some parts didn't
come in, so they said Friday p.m.  Parts still didn't all come in, so
now it's Tuesday p.m.  So I guess it's good I didn't try to keep to
the plan after all.

Looks like you got some good weather.  Enjoy.  Try to get into San
Francisco for a day or night at least, if you've never been.  It's
worth the drive or there's a commuter train you can take.  Dungeness
crab season just opened and they sell them at Fisherman's Wharf ready
for eating.

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Sounds like that'll definitely be worth the trip.

Are there any decent beaches in that area, or is it all rocky cliffs?
Greg Mossman - 12 Oct 2008 17:30 GMT
> Are there any decent beaches in that area, or is it all rocky cliffs?- Hide quoted text -

There's plenty of beach, though "decent" is a relative term depending
on whether you're from beachless West Texas or if you grew up walking
distance from the beach in Santa Monica.  I have to admit that I've
personally never spent time on any beaches in the city, but Ocean
Beach runs along the entire west side and it looks from the pics like
there's lots of sand and no cliffs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Beach_(San_Francisco)

China Beach is supposed to be prettier but smaller, and Baker Beach
has naked people.
CGuynn - 12 Oct 2008 23:41 GMT
> > Are there any decent beaches in that area, or is it all rocky cliffs?- Hide quoted text -
>
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> China Beach is supposed to be prettier but smaller, and Baker Beach
> has naked people.

hmmm... Baker Beach it is... :-)

Wait, do they allow fat people?  If not, I guess I'm out of luck.
Jer - 13 Oct 2008 04:31 GMT
>>> Are there any decent beaches in that area, or is it all rocky cliffs?- Hide quoted text -
>> There's plenty of beach, though "decent" is a relative term depending
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>
> Wait, do they allow fat people?  If not, I guess I'm out of luck.

Of course fat people are allowed to visit, why wouldn't they be?

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CGuynn - 14 Oct 2008 07:16 GMT
> >>> Are there any decent beaches in that area, or is it all rocky cliffs?- Hide quoted text -
> >> There's plenty of beach, though "decent" is a relative term depending
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> jer
> email reply - I am not a 'ten'

<sigh>

It was what those of us with a sense of humor like to refer to as a
joke.
Greg Mossman - 12 Oct 2008 18:26 GMT
> Looks like you got some good weather.  Enjoy.  Try to get into San
> Francisco for a day or night at least, if you've never been.  It's
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>
> Sounds like that'll definitely be worth the trip.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sanfran_2_bg_032605.jpg
CGuynn - 08 Oct 2008 21:30 GMT
> > > > > > Well, it doesn't look like I'll have a lot of time for diving on this
> > > > > > particular trip.  I should have plenty of time for a drink or six
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> from San Jose, we'll be in your "neighborhood" the night on December 9
> on the way to Cozumel.  

Even by West Texas standards, 9 hour drives don't really qualify as
"my neighborhood".  Plus, the only reason I'd be in the neighborhood
around that time is to go to the Big 12 Championship football game,
but that's being held in the north (Kansas City, MO) this year.  If
you were as close as San Antonio, I could probably swing a weekend
trip with the mrs. to go hang out at the tower of Americas, but
Houston is probably a bit too far.  On the other hand, we're strongly
considering a trip to Vegas around Christmas time, so if you're back
by then...
Greg Mossman - 08 Oct 2008 21:36 GMT
> Even by West Texas standards, 9 hour drives don't really qualify as
> "my neighborhood".  Plus, the only reason I'd be in the neighborhood
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> considering a trip to Vegas around Christmas time, so if you're back
> by then...

No, I'll accept the original challenge.

I'll be staying at the W Silicon Valley in Newark on Monday, getting
there late morning or early afternoon.  Where's your seminar?
CGuynn - 08 Oct 2008 21:40 GMT
> > Even by West Texas standards, 9 hour drives don't really qualify as
> > "my neighborhood".  Plus, the only reason I'd be in the neighborhood
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> I'll be staying at the W Silicon Valley in Newark on Monday, getting
> there late morning or early afternoon.  Where's your seminar?

It's right around the corner from "the W" on Dumbarton Circle (across
the highway... 84?).  You're actually staying closer to it than I am.
 
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