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Will local dive shops price-match online prices, good dive shop in     Raleigh, NC area for a Rx mask, and "in stock" lenses vs. custom ground

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mike - 06 Sep 2008 14:22 GMT
Looking for a good dive shop in the Raleigh, NC to buy a prescription
mask. I've heard Gypsy Divers on New Berne Ave. is good.

Been looking at snorkel-mart.com pricing (good), but I'd rather by
local if the prices aren't too high--or if the dive shop will price-
match.

My wife and I have snorkeled using "in stock" rental prescription
masks, where the diopter was eye-balled by the rental guy at the
beach. Even though my wife and I have different prescriptions, the
same exact mask worked well for both of us (we swapped). Leads me to
be suspicious about the cost of, and need for, custom ground lenses--
at least for our vision.

Who typically benefits most from custom ground prescription lenses?
People with exceptionally poor eyesight, or people who are
exceptionally committed to diving? I wonder if it's like one of those
audio compression rate "Holy Wars"--subjective.

My guess is that getting an exact prescription match on a mask is less
important for underwater viewing; in part because everything starts
out being magnified with any glass underwater--right? Wrong? Or
somewhere in-between.

Thanks.

Mike
mike - 06 Sep 2008 14:37 GMT
Also wondering what the difference is between a "purge" snorkel, a
"semi-dry" snorkel, and an "ultra-dry" snorkel.
El Stroko Guapo - 06 Sep 2008 16:26 GMT
> Also wondering what the difference is between a "purge" snorkel, a
> "semi-dry" snorkel, and an "ultra-dry" snorkel.

A purge snorkel has a valve at the lowest point that will expel water
when ya blow into it. The others are marketing terms - no snorkel is
really dry. Learning how to clear a snorkel works far better than flaps
and valves.

esg
Lee Bell - 06 Sep 2008 20:37 GMT
> Also wondering what the difference is between a "purge" snorkel, a
> "semi-dry" snorkel, and an "ultra-dry" snorkel.

A purge snorkel is different from the other two. It has some sort of one way
valve near the bottom of the snorkel through which water can be blown out
without allowing more water in.  It's kind of a crutch for those that can't
clear a normal snorkel easily.

Dry and Ultra dry snorkels have some form of device to keep water from
coming in at the top.  Methods for doing this vary from some baffles to
redirect water out the side of the snorkel to valves that close as you
submerge, theoretically limiting the amount of water that gets in.  Dry
snorkels, the ones with baffles tend to do some good while on the surface.
They reduce the amount of water that splashes in through the top.  None of
them, in my experience, help once the top of the snorkel drops below the
surface.  The other difference is cost.  Plain snorkels, or ones with
baffles at the top, are generally cheaper than snorkels with purge or other
valves, sometimes a lot cheaper.

My suggestion is look for a snorkel with baffles at the top, without a purge
valve and without the fancy ultra dry stuff and learn to use it.  Once you
do, you're unlikely to miss the gadgets that drive the price of other
snorkels so high.

Lee
El Stroko Guapo - 06 Sep 2008 16:22 GMT
> My guess is that getting an exact prescription match on a mask is less
> important for underwater viewing; in part because everything starts
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>
> Mike

If you like the small stuff, as I do (I often dive with a magnifying
glass), you may find that Rx lenses make a very big difference.

Typically, dive shops cannot match on-line prices because of their lower
volume on a given item. Typically, dive shops will give better service
and will give regular customers a break on other items/services over the
long run.

esg
David In NH - 06 Sep 2008 16:48 GMT
> Typically, dive shops cannot match on-line prices because of their lower
> volume on a given item. Typically, dive shops will give better service and
> will give regular customers a break on other items/services over the long
> run.
>
> esg

I tend to try to give the local shops a chance to sell to me. I want them to
stay around and if their price isn't outrageously more than I can get
online, I'll go with them. The definition of "outrageously" varies on the
item of course. I'll buy an online-priced-at-25-dollars dive light for $40
from the local shop but and my scubapro regs from them but might consider a
tank from another source.
Lee Bell - 06 Sep 2008 20:31 GMT
> My guess is that getting an exact prescription match on a mask is less
> important for underwater viewing; in part because everything starts
> out being magnified with any glass underwater--right? Wrong? Or
> somewhere in-between.

Everything is magnified underwater, but that's not a particularly important
fact.  The key is how well you can see the things you need to see.  I, for
example, have trouble seeing my gauges, or anything else close to my eyes.
I don't have a problem seeing things far away.  Your issues might be the
reverse, or not as sever, or almost anything else.  Those that benefit the
most are those that see the worst.  Borrow a non prescription mask and see
how you like it.  If you can see everything you want to as clearly as you
can expect to, it's fine.  If not, get a prescription mask.

Lee
Grumman-581 - 07 Sep 2008 02:38 GMT
> If you can see everything you want to as clearly as you can expect to,
> it's fine.  If not, get a prescription mask.

Or dive in clearer water...

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Lee Bell - 07 Sep 2008 03:23 GMT
>> If you can see everything you want to as clearly as you can expect to,
>> it's fine.  If not, get a prescription mask.
>
> Or dive in clearer water...

Only a few here would expect to see clearly in water that isn't clear.  We
know who they are.  They're all supporting Obama.

Lee
mike - 07 Sep 2008 12:32 GMT
Thanks Mag3.

Anyone here ever used Dive Optx Magnifier Lenses? For the mask I'm
looking at--a Genesis SL (SlimLine), Dive Optx is listed as an
accessory for this particular mask at LeisurePro.com. They come 2 to a
box at USD ~$30. My local dive shop sells the Genesis SL, but with a
different brand of magnification inserts--for $30 each (only 1 lens to
a box)--twice the price. Don't recall the brand, but $30 per lens
seems to be "standard" for non-prescription specific (e.g. straight
diopter) insert lenses.

Does the Dive Optx brand at $30/pair perform a lot worse than the $30
per lens brands that fit the Genesis SL?

Thanks again for all the help.
mag3 - 07 Sep 2008 22:47 GMT
>Thanks Mag3.

Well, actually, this was Lee Bell replying here  I think, but you're welcome anyway. :-)

>Anyone here ever used Dive Optx Magnifier Lenses? For the mask I'm
>looking at--a Genesis SL (SlimLine), Dive Optx is listed as an
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>
>Thanks again for all the help.

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
RayC - 06 Sep 2008 21:19 GMT
> Who typically benefits most from custom ground prescription lenses?
> People with exceptionally poor eyesight, or people who are
> exceptionally committed to diving?

Mike,

I won't comment on price matching as I don't get into that game.
However, one of the things that gets mixed up here and in dive shops is
the terminology when it comes to corrected masks.

Rental masks are almost never "prescription".  The are most likely
"diopter corrected".  That is a magnification only.  These work fine for
people that have just near sided vision.  If you can see OK with the
grocery store reading glasses, then diopter correction is fine. This
typically adds about $30-50 (depending on the manufacturer) per eye to
the cost of a mask but is only available in one or two style masks from
the different suppliers.

Prescription is a true custom ground mask like prescription glasses.
The optician requires your actual prescription from your eye exam and
will either grind your lenses into the mask glass or into pieces that
are bonded into your mask.

I am a big fan of this method because I have an astigmatism and the
diopter corrected ones just don't cut it for me.  One additional benefit
is that I can choose ANY mask and have the lenses bonded into it instead
of being limited in styles.  I had my lenses bonded into three different
masks over the period of a couple years since I like to try different masks.

The drawback for actual prescription is that the cost starts at about
$115 and goes up from there for bifocals, trifocals, extreme
prescriptions, etc.  To me the slightly higher cost for prescription is
worth it.  I am a sight seer underwater and a photographer.  I hate it
when little things get away!  Plus, I am a "mask slut" and can't seem to
stay loyal to any mask for long.  ;-)

Hope that helped!

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mag3 - 06 Sep 2008 22:19 GMT
>Prescription is a true custom ground mask like prescription glasses.
>The optician requires your actual prescription from your eye exam and
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>$115 and goes up from there for bifocals, trifocals, extreme
>prescriptions, etc.

Where do you get yours done? I use a guy local to me and his lenses are great,
but the last time I got one, the frame came back cracked and rendered the mask
useless.  I'm not sure if it was him, or damage in transit, or something else. The
pkg. appeared to be OK so I'm doubting it was damaged in transit. Of course, it
could have been me as well, but I don't recall doing anything to the mask to cause
that issue.

And he costs more than your guy..

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
mike - 07 Sep 2008 02:22 GMT
Is it safe to order a dive mask from LeisurePro.com, or will they try
to upsell or cross-sell me? Seems they've got the lowest price for a
model of dive mask I want (50% less than anything else I could find
online), but the price is so low it makes me suspicious. I don't know
anything about LeisurePro.com, but have heard lots of nightmare
stories about NYC camera stores offering impossibly low prices online,
and then engaging in questionable business practices.
mag3 - 07 Sep 2008 02:56 GMT
>Is it safe to order a dive mask from LeisurePro.com, or will they try
>to upsell or cross-sell me? Seems they've got the lowest price for a
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>stories about NYC camera stores offering impossibly low prices online,
>and then engaging in questionable business practices.

I've never had an issue wit LiesurePro. I've ordered several products from
them and they were promptly shipped. If you see something you like on the
net and it iterests you but appears a little "pricey," call them, or better still,
go into the store and speak to Brett. If you negotiate with them "live," you'll
more than likely get a better deal than what you're quoted on the net. But do
that on your biggest ticket item.... The others probably won't as discounted..
And if somethnig goes wrong, they stand behind what they sell.

I bought several masks from them and got exactly what I ordered.

No sweat.

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
David In NH - 07 Sep 2008 14:02 GMT
> I've never had an issue wit LiesurePro. I've ordered several products from
> them and they were promptly shipped. If you see something you like on the
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> discounted..
> And if somethnig goes wrong, they stand behind what they sell.

I assume this was an unintentional typ-oh? "LiesurePro"?
mag3 - 07 Sep 2008 22:38 GMT
>> I've never had an issue wit LiesurePro. I've ordered several products from
>> them and they were promptly shipped. If you see something you like on the
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>
>I assume this was an unintentional typ-oh? "LiesurePro"?

Yes, unintentional.
____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Dillon Pyron - 09 Sep 2008 05:26 GMT
[Default] Thus spake mike <mikeerdas@yahoo.com>:

>Looking for a good dive shop in the Raleigh, NC to buy a prescription
>mask. I've heard Gypsy Divers on New Berne Ave. is good.
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>
>Mike

The three shops I talked to here all send out their custom lenses to
the same folks.  So I just did it myself.  You'll need your
prescription and someone who knows how to dot your lens.  If you are
going to get bifocals, wear the mask fro a while and put painter's
tape across the top part of the lens.  Keep lowering the line until it
becomes "just a little too low", and take off that strip, and maybe
the one above it.

I've found that for me, a custom lens is critical.  And having the
bifocals really helps.  When I sent in the mask, they asked me about
the size of the readers, since it seemed small.  But I shoot a lot of
pictures and needed only a sliver to read my gauges.

I've used these people twice.  The last time was a rush-rush-rush as
my old mask failed a week before we were supposed to leave (it was 14
years old).  So I had to buy a new mask, figure out the dimensions,
get it dotted, send it to them and get it back.  Yeah, I paid for a
rush and for FedEx 2nd day to Maui.  But the mask is great.

http://www.prescriptiondivemasks.com/
Lee Bell - 09 Sep 2008 11:11 GMT
> The last time was a rush-rush-rush as
> my old mask failed a week before we were supposed to leave (it was 14
> years old).

Past time for a backup.
Dillon Pyron - 10 Sep 2008 04:20 GMT
[Default] Thus spake "Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net>:

>> The last time was a rush-rush-rush as
>> my old mask failed a week before we were supposed to leave (it was 14
>> years old).
>
>Past time for a backup.

Ya think?

I just bought a dupe, will get it dotted Thursday and calmly send it
UPS ground this time.
Lee Bell - 10 Sep 2008 07:05 GMT
> [Default] Thus spake "Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net>:
>
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>
> Ya think?

When I can't get out of it.

Lee
 
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