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Scuba Forum / General / November 2008HELP!!!!! Need advvice deciding which type of fins to take to Bonaire
I have had an annoying ankle sprain for about 2 months which is much better now but I still have soreness in the ankle especially on the "inside" below my ankle bone. I am going to Bonaire on Saturday evening and have my Mares "SuperChannel" Fins and Harvey's 6mm dive booties packed. I will be doing "jump in the Caribbean" dives from the dock at the Divi Resort as well as some boat dives of course. I also have a pair of Oceanic "Caribe-X" closed fins which are much lighter and am wondering if my ankle would fare better with these lighter fins or should I stick with the Mares fins which are bigger and heavier? I am packed to the gills and have no room for both pairs and I don't plan to do any walk-in shore diving so I don't have to have my heavy duty booties unless I am using the Mares fins. In either case I will be using a plastic brace to protect my ankle and to give some support. Which fins should I take? Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Chopper > Which fins should I take? I'd get a pair of Mares TRE fins and take them. I don't know anything about the fins you have. The fact that one set of fins is larger and requires booties that take up additional space may provide much of your answer. Beyond that, try both in a pool somewhere and make up your own mind. We can't possibly advise you as well as you can advise yourself. You're in possession of the sore ankle. I'm a warm water diver and have both Mares Power Quatros, Mares TRE fins. The Quatros are a lot of fin to pack and a lot of fin to push, but their power is awesome. The TREs are a great all around fin both for snorkeling and diving. They're powerful enough for most of my diving and considerably easier to pack. I use them for all diving except when I'm spearfishing or planning on fighting strong currents. Lee > Which fins should I take? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Chopper None! Take/hire a DPV and use that - if you've never been on one it'll will be worth the cost for the fun and the lack of pain on ankle! > I have had an annoying ankle sprain for about 2 months which is much > better now but I still have soreness in the ankle especially on the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Which fins should I take? Unless the closed fins are vastly more comfortable, the open fins/ booties will give you more flexibility. You say you're not doing any shore diving, but even walking down the dock is more comfortable in boots than barefoot. If you change your mind when you're there and decide you do want to do a bit of shore diving, you'll be prepared. I'm halfway to Bonaire as I write this (on a long layover in Houston). Enjoy your trip! Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in news:cdb3b5aa-0af0-4be9-9d8e- ff145b9c6e5c@s1g2000pra.googlegroups.com: > I'm halfway to Bonaire as I write this (on a long layover in > Houston). Enjoy your trip! How much of a layover do you have here?  SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. On Sep 5, 11:43 pm, "Grumman-581" <grumman581+usenet-2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in news:cdb3b5aa-0af0-4be9-9d8e- > ff145b9c6...@s1g2000pra.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > How much of a layover do you have here? Only 4 hours (in the past now), but we have 10 to kill on the way back (9/13). How close are you to IAH? >On Sep 5, 11:43=A0pm, "Grumman-581" <grumman581+usenet-2...@gmail.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Only 4 hours (in the past now), but we have 10 to kill on the way back >(9/13). How close are you to IAH? While I am in favor of it being dificult to get to Bonaire, because it holds down the traffic, the layovers sure are a pain. Fours in the airport in Curacao got very drunk and expensive. > On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 07:06:25 -0700 (PDT), Greg Mossman > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > holds down the traffic, the layovers sure are a pain. Fours in the > airport in Curacao got very drunk and expensive. I only have to suffer the long layovers because I was holding out for a good deal flying first-class using miles at the "saver" rate. 60,000 miles each to get to/from Bonaire, 3 out of 4 legs in first class, is a decent deal, but it required me to spend the 10 hours in Houston on the return. I could have shortened the layover to as little as 2 hours on the return, but then we would have had to fly coach from Houston to home. You don't want less than 2 hours in Houston since you have to go through customs/immigration, recheck your bags, and go through security again. Unfortunately, the one thing you can't get around when flying Continental to Bonaire is the red-eye. I'm tolerating these less and less as I age, so I might look into another way next time. Delta flies at 2 in the afternoon, though I'd probably have to overnight in Atlanta on the way there. My layovers in Houston aren't so bad thanks to President's Club membership. It's comfortable and drinks, unfortunately, are free. Therefore, it minimizes the cost of the layovers, but maximizes the drunkenness. Combine free drinks over 4 hours and a 4-hour red-eye flight, and you can see why I needed a long nap yesterday. [Default] Thus spake Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com>: >> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 07:06:25 -0700 (PDT), Greg Mossman >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >Houston since you have to go through customs/immigration, recheck your >bags, and go through security again. LAX is much worse. For international, I can't recommend less than 3 hours. When I got back from Sydney, it took about an hour to clear customs and almost 90 minutes to clear security. And that was during a "lull". When Carol got back later that week, it took her almost 2 hours to get to the people who insult your intelligence. >Unfortunately, the one thing you can't get around when flying >Continental to Bonaire is the red-eye. I'm tolerating these less and >less as I age, so I might look into another way next time. Delta >flies at 2 in the afternoon, though I'd probably have to overnight in >Atlanta on the way there. "I'm getting too old for this sh.t". I first said that shortly after my 40th. That was in a different century. But oddly enough, we do some really stupid things for vacation. We inevitably get the first flight out of Austin so we can be in Orlando by noon and at The Wolrd by 1:30. >My layovers in Houston aren't so bad thanks to President's Club >membership. It's comfortable and drinks, unfortunately, are free. >Therefore, it minimizes the cost of the layovers, but maximizes the >drunkenness. Combine free drinks over 4 hours and a 4-hour red-eye >flight, and you can see why I needed a long nap yesterday. Same for me and the Admiral's Club. When we got back from Hawai'i we were first in line when they opened at 5:30. Quck shower, some OJ, coffee and cheese danish, then a two hour power nap. I hear Continental has decided to screw you guys over. I guess they couldn't stand seeing American beating them to the beating. So they did a "I see your baggage fee and raise you a lowered elite bonus". > LAX is much worse. It's in California. It was a sure thing. "When Carol got back later that week, it took her almost 2 > hours to get to the people who insult your intelligence." They don't have any Democrats in the secure areas of LAX? Lee [Default] Thus spake "Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net>: >> LAX is much worse. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >They don't have any Democrats in the secure areas of LAX? They don't even have people that bright. When I asked why they had to swab my cast in 10 different places, the answer was "procedure". I told him I could take it off (it was just a fiberglass splint) and he said they can't require that. So I said I would volunteer. He said they can't require that. I quit. >Lee >>They don't have any Democrats in the secure areas of LAX? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > said they can't require that. So I said I would volunteer. He said > they can't require that. I quit. Doesn't it just make you feel all warm and secure to know those guys are protecting you from terrorists? I can't understand why anybody would think that giving a title and sew on badge to the same people that have been checking luggage for years, would somehow make airports and flying more secure. Lee >>> They don't have any Democrats in the secure areas of LAX? >> They don't even have people that bright. When I asked why they had to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Lee Because the Bush administration said so? We should never be allowed to question the King of Disinformation. Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' >> Doesn't it just make you feel all warm and secure to know those guys are >> protecting you from terrorists? I can't understand why anybody would >> think that giving a title and sew on badge to the same people that have >> been checking luggage for years, would somehow make airports and flying >> more secure. > Because the Bush administration said so? We should never be allowed to > question the King of Disinformation. You have, of course some evidence that George W Bush said so, right? Lee >>> Doesn't it just make you feel all warm and secure to know those guys are >>> protecting you from terrorists? I can't understand why anybody would [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Lee Evidence? Why do I need evidence? Like anyone else, I have an opinion predicated on my own experiences dealing with the current administration, and it ain't good - no cred whatsoever. It's a personal observation worth exactly what anyone pays for it. Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' jer wrote > Evidence? Why do I need evidence? Like anyone else, I have an opinion > predicated on my own experiences dealing with the current administration, > and it ain't good - no cred whatsoever. It's a personal observation worth > exactly what anyone pays for it. Next time, it might help if you said "In my opinion . . . " before you make such claims. > jer wrote > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Next time, it might help if you said "In my opinion . . . " before you make > such claims. Claims? I made a claim? Where? When? The only claim I have is to be the sole owner of an opinion. Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' > > On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 07:06:25 -0700 (PDT), Greg Mossman > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > drunkenness. Combine free drinks over 4 hours and a 4-hour red-eye > flight, and you can see why I needed a long nap yesterday. If you have a platinum AX card it's free. I went to the Newark one en route home to Bonaire. The layover was 6 hours and the pits. Had I a buddy I would have taxi'd to Ironbound for some Portuguese food. The lounge was FREEZING and noisy as heck. FYI the ladder and site at Oil Slick is not available since Omar. Ann Phelan www.bonairecaribbean.com On Nov 3, 4:13 am, "nb...@hotmail.com" <nb...@hotmail.com> wrote: > If you have a platinum AX card it's free. I went to the Newark one en > route home to Bonaire. The layover was 6 hours and the pits. Had I a > buddy I would have taxi'd to Ironbound for some Portuguese food. The > lounge was FREEZING and noisy as heck. Yeah, I've weighed the cost of the AMEX Platinum against the 3-year PC membership, finding it a bit cheaper to go the PC route, not to mention that it's a "preferred membership" - meaning that if a particular club is full to capacity, actual PC members will be admitted before AMEX and other comped admittance partners. The annual fee on the AMEX Platinum is $450, though I've seen it far cheaper than that. The 3-year rate on the PC varies according to elite status, but I renewed mine for another 3-year while I was still platinum and I believe it was around $750 at the time, or $250 a year. Of course AMEX also provides access to American's club rooms, while PC membership limits you to Delta, NWA, and Alaska. There are significant changes coming soon when Continental leaves SkyTeam and moves to Star Alliance. Will AMEX stay with Delta and American's clubs, or move to Star Alliance with CO, joining United et al.? My PC membership will travel wherever CO finds itself. I ended up not spending as long in the lounge on our return flight as we had originally booked. Instead of the 10-hour layover in Houston, we were re-routed through Newark the following day due to Ike's closure of IAH. Security went a lot quicker than normal even with one of the checkpoints being shut down and no elite line, because Janna's wheelchair got her to the beginning of the line. If you're ever worried about making a tight connection, break the leg or ankle of someone in your party and you'll find you get much faster service. We had a couple hours to kill, so headed first to the lounge to rent a locker and stow our carry-ons. I had the lounge rep call for a wheelchair that I could borrow to push Janna around the airport, but that proved very difficult since it appears that each attendant has his or her own wheelchair. One attendant suggested I simply "borrow" an unattended one around the airport. Finally we got one, I pushed her over to Gallagher's for an excellent airport lunch, then we were off to the next leg in our circuitous route home. > FYI the ladder and site at Oil Slick is not available since Omar. Yikes! I haven't been keeping up much with the various Bonaire forums since my return, but I did catch some pics of the post-Omar damage. I can understand docks being damaged, but it's amazing that the surge/ waves were strong enough to damage a bolted-on metal ladder! Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in news:83e5f69e-3e7c-408c-b064- e3fd6d2fdd0f@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com: > Only 4 hours (in the past now), but we have 10 to kill on the way back > (9/13). How close are you to IAH? About an hour's drive... Basically all the way across Houston toward the southwest... Fort Bend county... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. On Sep 7, 10:02 am, "Grumman-581" <grumman581+usenet-2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in news:83e5f69e-3e7c-408c-b064- > e3fd6d2fd...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > About an hour's drive... Basically all the way across Houston toward the > southwest... Fort Bend county... Well, if you're feeling like a nice drive on Saturday, we'll be there. We fly out at an ungodly hour, probably arriving in Houston in the late morning, and then we don't fly out until the evening. I'd be glad to buy you lunch and beer... Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in news:f7ef49f3-ad93-4d62-895c- e93aaabc9a82@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com: > Well, if you're feeling like a nice drive on Saturday, we'll be > there. We fly out at an ungodly hour, probably arriving in Houston in > the late morning, and then we don't fly out until the evening. I'd be > glad to buy you lunch and beer... So, you're going to officially forfeit / admit defeat on our last bet? You're going to finally admit that Hillary has no chance of becoming President on January 20th? I was going to be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt in that there was still time for her to arrange the death of Bama-Boy... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. [Default] Thus spake "Grumman-581" <grumman581+usenet-2008@gmail.com>: >Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in news:f7ef49f3-ad93-4d62-895c- >e93aaabc9a82@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >benefit of the doubt in that there was still time for her to arrange the >death of Bama-Boy... One of my classmates is from Beuamont. Ooops, actually, Vidor. She says there are plenty of people there who would do it, as long as it WASN'T Hillary who was asking. > One of my classmates is from Beuamont. Ooops, actually, Vidor. She > says there are plenty of people there who would do it, as long as it > WASN'T Hillary who was asking. Ahh... Vidor... The town that allowed me to come up with the line, "I've got a truck and a chain -- I'm sure we can find a street with your name on it." SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in news:f7ef49f3-ad93-4d62-895c- e93aaabc9a82@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com: > Well, if you're feeling like a nice drive on Saturday, we'll be > there. Saturday might end up being a bit interesting, depending upon what Ike decides to do... Right now, the plots pretty much center it on the Houston area, but they diverge enough that all we really know is that it is going to hit somewhere between Brownsville and Wakulla... OK, that might be a *slight* exageration... It's probably down to somewhere between Corpus and New Orleans right now... Of course, the *center* of those guesses is basically Houston... Might make for an interesting weekend... Or it could be another non-event like Gustav was over here since it went ashore to the east of here and we got the 'clean' side of it... Well, at least this time, you're not bringing a tsunami here... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. [Default] Thus spake "Grumman-581" <grumman581+usenet-2008@gmail.com>: >Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in news:f7ef49f3-ad93-4d62-895c- >e93aaabc9a82@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >east of here and we got the 'clean' side of it... Well, at least this time, >you're not bringing a tsunami here... Yeah, just looked at the track. Mr. Mossman, you may find yourself in Miami Saturday morning. Ike doesn't look like it will hit until Sunday morning, but only idiots in 50 year old turboprops will be flying in the Gulf Saturday. > Yeah, just looked at the track. Mr. Mossman, you may find yourself in > Miami Saturday morning. Ike doesn't look like it will hit until > Sunday morning, but only idiots in 50 year old turboprops will be > flying in the Gulf Saturday. He might be detouring a bit... I seem to remember that cloud tops in hurricanes can go up to 60,000 ft as you get close to the eye of the hurricane... Although the airliner could probably handle the flight, I doubt that the pilots would want to subject the passengers to that bumpy of a ride... They could detour a few hundred miles to the west (i.e. "clean" side) and go around it that way... Since Greg is coming from Bonaire, you might be right about them detouring to the north via Miami though... It looks like it should be coming ashore around Corpus around 2:00pm on Saturday... That would put it about 195 miles from IAH which *probably* won't affect too many flights... If this doesn't change too much, it'll probably just mean that we will be getting tropical storm force winds around here... Then again, there's a couple of the models that have it coming just to the west of here and as such, we would be very close to the eye of it plus we would be on the "dirty" side of it... I'm all for getting some more rain, but I would just as well not have to board up the windows like I did when Rita was supposed to hit here... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. [Default] Thus spake "Grumman-581" <grumman581+usenet-2008@gmail.com>: >> Yeah, just looked at the track. Mr. Mossman, you may find yourself in >> Miami Saturday morning. Ike doesn't look like it will hit until [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >some more rain, but I would just as well not have to board up the windows >like I did when Rita was supposed to hit here... I called Carol's folks this morning. Irene said they would probably "ride it out". Which comes mostly from taking 20 hours to get from east Houston to SW Austin for Rita. But Irene is 83 and Joe is 81, so I'm not a big fan of him trying to board up the windows himself. He's already got all the mounts in place and has some serious plywood, so it's just hefting and screwing in. But I have clinic on Friday. Carol may head down tomorrow after work with her brother and take my Ryobi set. > I called Carol's folks this morning. Irene said they would probably > "ride it out". Which comes mostly from taking 20 hours to get from [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > may head down tomorrow after work with her brother and take my Ryobi > set. With all due respect, they need to get some accordion shutters. If the cost is too much, then they need some track type like I have. Plywood is heavy and hard to hold in place while you install it. Aluminum shutters, like those I have, are light and easy to install, even for those of us who are not as young as we once were. I can put mine up, start to finish in a couple of hours. Lee > I called Carol's folks this morning. Irene said they would probably > "ride it out". Which comes mostly from taking 20 hours to get from [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > may head down tomorrow after work with her brother and take my Ryobi > set. Looks like you're going to be getting a bit of rain from Ike... Current plot puts it coming ashore around Port Lavaca (about 100 miles SW of my house)... But that would put it on a direct course for adding a bit of water to Lake Travis... Might make for an interesting tubing weekend on the Guadalupe... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. [Default] Thus spake "Grumman-581" <grumman581+usenet-2008@gmail.com>: >> I called Carol's folks this morning. Irene said they would probably >> "ride it out". Which comes mostly from taking 20 hours to get from [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >water to Lake Travis... Might make for an interesting tubing weekend on the >Guadalupe... My sister sent me a text today while I was in the hospital. "Please consider coming up here this weekend". Here is Tyler. She sent me some storm track numbers that show it cruising approximately through our front yard at around 5 am on Sunday at 35-45 kt winds. Now she says she hears it will be a cat 2 when it comes through. Dive club is meeting up at Mansfield around 2 pm. Might be a little choppy, but there shouldn't be that many boats on the lake. > My sister sent me a text today while I was in the hospital. "Please > consider coming up here this weekend". Here is Tyler. She sent me [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Dive club is meeting up at Mansfield around 2 pm. Might be a little > choppy, but there shouldn't be that many boats on the lake. Looks like Ike has moved a bit closer to Houston now... It's currently projected to come ashore around Freeport which pretty much puts it in a direct line for my house... If the eye goes over my house, of course I'll go out in it to check it out... Projected wind speeds are supposed to be around 78mph... http://houstonhidefromthewind.org/ If that's the case, I doubt that I'll be driving across town to claim my 2 beers from Greg... With Janna injured, I doubt that they're going to be wanting to move far from the airport anyway -- assuming that the flight even makes it here... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >Looks like Ike has moved a bit closer to Houston now... It's currently >projected to come ashore around Freeport which pretty much puts it in a >direct line for my house... If the eye goes over my house, of course I'll >go out in it to check it out... Projected wind speeds are supposed to be >around 78mph... Freeport??? Man... How close are you to the BASF plant? I know what they make there (or used to make).... Be careful!!!!!! ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold > Freeport??? Man... How close are you to the BASF plant? > > I know what they make there (or used to make).... Be careful!!!!!! This from someone who lives in *New Jersey*???? <snicker> Freeport is about 45 miles SSE from my house (straight line distance)... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. [Default] Thus spake "Grumman-581" <grumman581+usenet-2008@gmail.com>: >> Freeport??? Man... How close are you to the BASF plant? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Freeport is about 45 miles SSE from my house (straight line distance)... Speaking of Freeport, the Flower Gardens trip for this weekend has been cancelled. This is the first time they've had to cancel a trip this month. > Speaking of Freeport, the Flower Gardens trip for this weekend has > been cancelled. This is the first time they've had to cancel a trip > this month. I can see how there might be a few people puking their guts out in the seas from a hurricane... Right now, the nearest ocean buoy to the center of Ike (Discus Buoy 42001) is reporting 27.9 ft waves... Yeah, I can see how they might want to cancel that trip... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. [Default] Thus spake "Grumman-581" <grumman581+usenet-2008@gmail.com>: >> Speaking of Freeport, the Flower Gardens trip for this weekend has >> been cancelled. This is the first time they've had to cancel a trip [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >is reporting 27.9 ft waves... Yeah, I can see how they might want to cancel >that trip... About four years ago we were in 15-18 ft seas on a March trip. For a while, the crew was telling us we would have to hold on to the drift line and they'd tow us back to port. Eventually they put a RIB in the water. But I had a two hour surface interval by the time I finally got back on the ship. Since the cook was kind of "indisposed", I used what passes for a galley to make myself a bacon & cheese omlet. The whale sharks and mantas were fantastic, but we only got in two dive in a three day trip. On Sep 9, 1:59 am, "Grumman-581" <grumman581+usenet-2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yeah, just looked at the track. Mr. Mossman, you may find yourself in > > Miami Saturday morning. Ike doesn't look like it will hit until [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > some more rain, but I would just as well not have to board up the windows > like I did when Rita was supposed to hit here... I'll give Continental a call and see what they're planning to do. Things are sucking all over on this trip (see my brief trip report that I'll post in a bit). I really need a vacation. Chopper <copanahoy@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :I have had an annoying ankle sprain for about 2 months which is much :better now but I still have soreness in the ankle especially on the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] : :Any advice will be greatly appreciated. I don't think you need boots at all, so if either of those are full foot fins, take those. That way you don't have to pack boots. Plus, you don't have to try to dry them out at the end of your trip. Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- > I have had an annoying ankle sprain for about 2 months which is much > better now but I still have soreness in the ankle especially on the [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Chopper I don't know the fins that you own and speak of but I've been to Bonaire a few times. The shore dives can require that you climb up a ladder or down / up lots of step and can also require that you have decent ankle strength to get out of the surf on the beach. I'd forget doing those if you're nursing a sore ankle. So that leaves you with boat dives which are, IMHO, very nice. If I were you, given your situation, I'd take the fins that are comfortable. Bonaire isn't known for it's strong currents so there is no need to do overkill with power-fins. Have a nice trip. :-) > I have had an annoying ankle sprain for about 2 months which is much > better now but I still have soreness in the ankle especially on the [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Chopper Take what you think, if not hire suitable fins when you get there |
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