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Scuba Forum / General / August 2008Trip Report - Brockville/St. Lawrence River
A most pleasant weekend was had by all. My 1st trip to the St. Lawrence area. It started out rather harshly though. I left home at 2pm on Fri. into a nasty Thunderstorm, and then into the most horrible Pocono/construction traffic on all the different interstates in Penn. up through Scranton (I-380, I-84, and parts of I-81). Finally, crossing the NY state line on I-81, all seemed clear thereafter. After a quick dinner/fuel stop in Cicero NY, I continued north on I-81 driving past Watertown, NY and finally across the NY St. Lawrence bridge and then to the USA/Canada Frontier. The border crossing was only 15 min. at about 8:15pm, and I arrived in Brockville at 8:30pm. Diving - Day 1. Couldn't have asked for a better day! Gorgeous sunshine, gorgeous scenery and nice warm fresh water in which to dive. We started in Rockport, diving the "Kingshorn" wreck on the Canadian Side. An interesting wreck with a lot of artifacts that people actually "deposit" on the wreck. There was a table with what almost looked like a complete "tea service." Very cute. http://www.wrecksandreefs.com/newpage17.htm This was about 8-9am while we waited for the CBP to open at 10am on Boat Terminal Island. For those unfamiliar, if you chose to base yourself in Canada but also dive wrecks on the USA side of the St. Lawrence, the dive shop must register you with CBP beforehand. On the morning of your dive, you must first travel to the CBP checkpoint on Boat Castle Island and register before you can proceed into US waters. And they get very nasty if you don't do it and do it just right.... They're very serious up there --- just look at this article from today's Yahoo news: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080820/us_nm/usa_security_checkpoints_dc You must bring a passport and have it with you at all times while on the boat. The CBP will verify your info and then clear the boat into US waters. And when you leave US waters, you return to Canada and when docked, you can't leave the boat until the captain calls and re-clears everyone through Canadian Customs. And you repeat this process *every* day that you want to dive US Wrecks from Canada. For me it was 2 days total. But I digress. The 2nd dive was the "Rockport Wall," again in Canada. I think I got down to about 70-80ffw on here, (I had dived the Kingshorn on Air and this on EaN27%) but since we were able to get a bit of relief at 50-60ffw, I was able to stay down a lot longer. Sadly, the wall looked a lot like "Dutch Springs" so nothing new, but nonetheless, it was a nice break from the NJ shore dives I'd been doing. Nice to dive "wet" again (7mm) and without a pony for a change. After lunch, and fills, we headed out to US waters, following the CBP procedure above. Our stop was the Keystorm wreck. http://www.wrecksandreefs.com/keystorm.htm The dive was almost ruined, as when I splashed, I suddenly discovered that one of my jets had come off and was slowly sinking to the bottom. Thankfully, it was found quickly. I have since ordered the smaller size spring straps and will be putting them on before my next dive. I was very lucky. This was one of the best wrecks I've done in some time. Lot's of swim throughs and cavern like places. We got down all the way to the propeller at 108ffw (which is bolted on so that it permits the pitch etc. to be changed)... The viz was very good (50ffw that I could see if not more). This wreck, being the more popular one there was very crowded, so there was some "traffic jam" issues but nonetheless a fantastic dive. I didn't go into any of the compartments but I could see into them. Maybe next time. After a nice 1/2hr dive or so, we headed back to Canada. Customs clearance by phone was quick. But as soon as we cleared, of course it started to pour rain!!!! So we waited. And as soon as it let up, we started moving to unload the boat, and of course, it started to pour hard again. And again. And again.. I think we had waited another 1/2 hour before we got off the boat. After a shower, we had dinner at a nice Italian place in Brockville and called it an early night. Day 2 - Back to Rockport and the same boat/captain (the "Silent Diver). I got there early to get good parking (which is very limited - be careful). For a time we thought we had the boat to ourselves, a "6 pack" in a squeeze... Yesterday we were lucky with only 4 people. This morning, we were scheduled to have 5, and of course, the other party showed up 1 hour late. UGGGH. We could have had one dive done already, but it was so late, and the other party still needed tanks, so it ended up being that we didn't leave until it was almost time for CBP to open at 10. We went ahead to Boat Castle Island to clear immediately. Oh, one caution. When in the presence of the CBP agent, do *not* wear anything (hat/sunglasses etc.) which might conceal your appearance from that of your passport photo. They don't like that!!!! Our first stop on the US side that day was the Vickery: http://www.wrecksandreefs.com/vickery.htm This wreck is to the west and behind the border bridges. Fins firmly in place, we splashed and followed along the lines to the wreck. This wreck is in the "shipping channel, so you have to follow a line from the mooring point out to the wreck. The current was pretty strong on this one, so we had to hold onto things as we swam around the outside of the main deck and all the way to the stern. The wreck has a lot of soft wood planks that are quite loose so it's not a good idea to hold onto those. One had to chose very carefully on what to hold. But interesting things to see. To get a break from the current, we went down into the main hold, which had plenty of access in and out. After exploring for 1/2hr or so, there wasn't much else to see, and we wanted to get away from the current, so we headed back along the lines to the mooring. Dive 2 - The Keystorm again. Thankfully, less people, at least at first. This time, I led the dive, and directly from the bow at 30ffw, all the way down the propellers again at 108ffw, and then back up to the bridge. This time, we found the damage on the port hull that caused the wreck to crash. It just looks like some large "lacerations" but it was obviously enough to cause it to sink. The bow lies at the top of the channel, listing to starboard. We did more exploration of the bridge and other parts of that area. This took us up to 1:30pm. We then traveled to the third wreck site the "America" wreck and then setup to have lunch. http://www.wrecksandreefs.com/america.htm While we were eating, we listened to a live "MADAY distress" call on Channel 16 with the Canadian Coast Guard sta. in Prescott. A swimmer lost between two boats. Unfortunately, we didn't hear the outcome because they went to cell phones and cleared the channel before the resolution. After 3pm, we splashed again. This wreck is similar to the Vickery in that you had to follow a guideline out into the channel about 300ft to get to the wreck in the Shipping lane. Although the wreck is in essence, overturned, there is enough to see on the stern and the port side, out into the channel. You can see both the brick furnace and boilers from the stern. There was a white wash basin near the stern. There were places where you could go up inside the hold, but you needed to be careful of the wires and things, and we didn't want to bother. We were tired and wanted this to be a quick dive. After we cleared back into Canada, the boat was going to go back to the Kingshorn again but out party decided to call it a day. We got back to the hotel, showered, and then had a fantastic dinner in Brockville at a nice Bistro on Buell St.... A truly pleasant evening. Monday morning, 9am and it was sadly time to leave Brockville, and the St. Lawrence area. I did not mention that the overall scenery is absolutely gorgeous up there with all those "1000 islands" etc. I didn't bring a camera... My mistake.... and one I won't make next time. I'd love to visit this area again....... But only in the summer of course, it must be HELL ON IC in the winter!!!!! ;-PPP I cleared the CBP checkpoint with no difficulty and was on my way. I chose to avoid the traffic/construction on the way home, so I detoured at Binghamton onto NY SR-17 and then SR-97. What a nice surprise as it follows the Delaware River pretty much down all the way to New Jersey. It was an extremely nice scenic drive and worth the extra time it took. I'd do it again. All that nice white water to look at along the way. I avoided all Interstate highways on the way home and got home in 7 hrs. Overall, a really great trip. I'll go again... And again... ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold > shore dives I'd been doing. Nice to dive "wet" again (7mm) and without a pony for a change. What were the water temps? >> shore dives I'd been doing. Nice to dive "wet" again (7mm) and without a pony for a change. > >What were the water temps? My computer lies and always states a temp about 3-4°F higher than it really is. I think it just doesn't adjust quickly enough from surface temps. I'd say it was about 72°F on the bottom. Not cold enough for a hood (which I didn't use) although some did. I did use 3mm gloves but only for "hand protection" not for warmth. I probably could have done it with a 3mm, but just wanted the extra warmth. Others were diving 3's and 5's. ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold > >> shore dives I'd been doing. Nice to dive "wet" again (7mm) and without a pony for a change. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > gloves but only for "hand protection" not for warmth. I probably could have done it with a > 3mm, but just wanted the extra warmth. Others were diving 3's and 5's. Nice. I wish my local waters got that warm. So much for sunny Southern California. I guess I have to move up to frigid Canada if I want local warm water diving. >> My computer lies and always states a temp about 3-4°F higher than it really is. I think it >> just doesn't adjust quickly enough from surface temps. I'd say it was about 72°F on the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Southern California. I guess I have to move up to frigid Canada if I >want local warm water diving. My understanding is that this past weekend was the most optimal for the whole year, temp wise. After that, the temp starts to lower quickly - both air/surface and water. ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :A most pleasant weekend was had by all. My 1st trip to the St. Lawrence area. Did you see any fish? Did you visit the local Timmy's? Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- >mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard >resulting in: > >:A most pleasant weekend was had by all. My 1st trip to the St. Lawrence area. > >Did you see any fish? Many. >Did you visit the local Timmy's? Not sure what/where that is..... So I guess I didn't. ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold > >mag3 <zmpmag3-plon...@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard > >resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Not sure what/where that is..... So I guess I didn't. It's cultural ignorance like that that brings disharmony to the world. Tim Horton's is the McDonalds of Canada. Wouldn't you feel ashamed of your country if some foreign visitor didn't know a reference to "Mickey D's"? Shame on you. The slow-roasted beef sandwich ain't half bad. Had one back in June (Vancouver) and another back in April (Niagara). >> >Did you visit the local Timmy's? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >The slow-roasted beef sandwich ain't half bad. Had one back in June >(Vancouver) and another back in April (Niagara). Didn't see one on County Rt. 2 in/around Brockville. Either that, or it wasn't impressive enough for me to notice. I wouldn't be "ashamed" at all if a visitor didn't know Mickey'Ds. I'd be "surprised," however, as MickeyD's are worldwide. I've seen them in Japan, although with a very "different" menu. Look at the Tokyo section of my travel Website.... ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold Visit my Travel Photo Website: http://www.mag3.biz/travel_photos/home_page.html Absolutely 100% SPAM free!!!! HONEST!!! :-) > Didn't see one on County Rt. 2 in/around Brockville. Either that, or it wasn't > impressive enough for me to notice. Probably the latter. Tim Hortons in Canada are as ubiquitous as Starbucks in the U.S. There's usually one on every other corner. According to the website, there are 2,750 Tim Hortons in Canada, which is one for every man, woman, and child there. > I wouldn't be "ashamed" at all if a visitor didn't know Mickey'Ds. I'd be "surprised," > however, as MickeyD's are worldwide. I've seen them in Japan, although with a > very "different" menu. Look at the Tokyo section of my travel Website.... How was the menu so different in Japan? McDonalds in Amsterdam had some pita sandwiches that looked decent. In Bangkok, they had a Samurai Pork Burger on the menu. Otherwise, they looked the same as McDonalds back home. I never tried the "food" at either of these, just went inside to see if the menu was different. I regret that I was in too much of a hurry when I drove by one in France, since I always wanted to see a McDonalds that served wine. I'll have to return to France just for that. I did try food at a foreign McDonalds in Cozumel, when I ran inside to use the bathroom. There were a couple people from my dive shop group inside, so I stole a few of their fries. Tasted as good or better than American fries. Probably cooked in lard. BTW, you should be ashamed because Tim Hortons are worldwide too, i.e. they're in the U.S. as well as Canada. Tim actually married Wendy, but they divorced after a decade. >> I wouldn't be "ashamed" at all if a visitor didn't know Mickey'Ds. I'd be "surprised," >> however, as MickeyD's are worldwide. I've seen them in Japan, although with a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >McDonalds back home. I never tried the "food" at either of these, >just went inside to see if the menu was different. I didn't try it either (in Japan). They had mostly Sushi related menu items and "veggie" type things in place of the American Style Cheeseburgers and fries. Things that appeal locally, I guess. I don't remember the exact details but it was enough to scare me out of there and never to return. >I regret that I was in too much of a hurry when I drove by one in France, since I >always wanted to see a McDonalds that served wine. I'll have to >return to France just for that. I did have McDonalds in Belgium. There was the standard menu, at least standard enough. But everthing there was costly!!! A packate of Ketchup was 5 Belgian Fr. (at the time I think the rate was 53BF to the US$). >BTW, you should be ashamed because Tim Hortons are worldwide too, i.e. >they're in the U.S. as well as Canada. Tim actually married Wendy, >but they divorced after a decade. Sorry... Never heard of him/them. ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold > I didn't try it either (in Japan). They had mostly Sushi related menu items > and "veggie" type things in place of the American Style Cheeseburgers and > fries. Things that appeal locally, I guess. I don't remember the exact details > but it was enough to scare me out of there and never to return. As disgusting as a McDonalds cheeseburger might be, at least it sort of resembles bread, cheese, and meat. What's with the Japanese and their damn pink fishcakes? Those don't resemble fish at all. They look more like something that should go on a birthday cake, and in Japan they probably do. I would definitely try McSushi, though, just to say I did. Did they have McSake or McKirin to wash it down, or do you have to eat the sushi with a chocolate milkshake? > I did have McDonalds in Belgium. There was the standard menu, at least standard > enough. But everthing there was costly!!! A packate of Ketchup was 5 Belgian Fr. > (at the time I think the rate was 53BF to the US$). That's Europeans for you. They charge for water and coffee refills too, cheap bastards. I hope it was good ketchup at least. > >BTW, you should be ashamed because Tim Hortons are worldwide too, i.e. > >they're in the U.S. as well as Canada. Tim actually married Wendy, > >but they divorced after a decade. > > Sorry... Never heard of him/them. Now you've never heard of Wendy as in Wendy's? For someone who gets around a lot, you really don't get around much. The companies merged in 1995, split up in 2006. There are 350 Tim Hortons in the U.S. I know I saw one in Buffalo, but there's no reason to eat a Timmy's slow-roasted beef in Buffalo when you can eat a Charlie's beef on weck. >> I didn't try it either (in Japan). They had mostly Sushi related menu items >> and "veggie" type things in place of the American Style Cheeseburgers and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >look more like something that should go on a birthday cake, and in >Japan they probably do. Don't forget the Octopus Balls (*not* testicular mind you).... and the "whale." >I would definitely try McSushi, though, just to say I did. Did they >have McSake or McKirin to wash it down, or do you have to eat the >sushi with a chocolate milkshake? MCGreen Tea I think..... >> >BTW, you should be ashamed because Tim Hortons are worldwide too, i.e. >> >they're in the U.S. as well as Canada. Tim actually married Wendy, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Now you've never heard of Wendy as in Wendy's? For someone who gets >around a lot, you really don't get around much. Of course I've heard of Wendy's..... I hadn't heard of "Tim Horton's." I've known of Wendy's even before Dave Thomas started doing the TV Ads. Their slogan before he started was "Juicy Meat.... Juicy Topings..... And Lot's of Napkins!" Long before the "Where's the Beef?" campagin. Not everyone recalls that they had *both* a male and female Sr. Citizen do those "Where's the beef?" ads... When the female's ad took off, they dumped the old guy and kept her..... ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold > Didn't see one on County Rt. 2 in/around Brockville. Either that, or it wasn't > impressive enough for me to notice. There is one on CR2 right in the middle of town, and they are on every road that runs between 401 and CR2. We passed quite a few of them. I don't like their coffee. >> Didn't see one on County Rt. 2 in/around Brockville. Either that, or it wasn't >> impressive enough for me to notice. > >There is one on CR2 right in the middle of town, and they are on every >road that runs between 401 and CR2. We passed quite a few of them. I >don't like their coffee. Then I missed it for sure. I guess I focused on that Chinese/Thai place and missed the Timmy's altogether. I guess I'll see them the next time. ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Didn't see one on County Rt. 2 in/around Brockville. Either that, or it wasn't :impressive enough for me to notice. Would have been in Brockville proper or on the 401 at a gas station. Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- > mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Did you visit the local Timmy's? What's a Timmy's as a matter of interest >> mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard >> resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > What's a Timmy's as a matter of interest OK must be talking about Tim Horton's. Proof that you can get crap American coffee in Canada >>> mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard >>> resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >OK must be talking about Tim Horton's. Proof that you can get crap American >coffee in Canada Timmy's used to be not-too-bad, but that was long ago. Even the doughnuts now are fresh-frozen. Coffee is OK, and many like it -- I normally go to Second Cup for stronger stuff. FWIW, Tim Horton was an NHL hockey player with the Toronto Maple Leafs. Killed himself in a high-speed car accident. >>>> mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard >>>> resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > doughnuts now are fresh-frozen. Coffee is OK, and many like it -- I > normally go to Second Cup for stronger stuff. Don't want to get into a flame war about coffee but I was not impressed > FWIW, Tim Horton was an NHL hockey player with the Toronto Maple > Leafs. Killed himself in a high-speed car accident. Thanks that was interesting so there is professional life after professional sport "dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Thanks that was interesting so there is professional life after professional :sport Not for Tim. Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- >>>>> mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard >>>>> resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Don't want to get into a flame war about coffee but I was not impressed Neither am I. The only thing I get there is coffee, and only when nothing else is available. I also avoid Starbuck's, due to the stupid, pretentious names for the sizes of coffee. Second Cup is good and have sizes called small, medium and large -- and dark, strong coffees right up to the prissy blends. >> FWIW, Tim Horton was an NHL hockey player with the Toronto Maple >> Leafs. Killed himself in a high-speed car accident. > >Thanks that was interesting so there is professional life after professional >sport His wife sold out to Tim's partner for a pittance, and he went ahead and made a fortune, and then made even more by selling out to Wendy's. His wife was not amused. >>>> mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard >>>> resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > FWIW, Tim Horton was an NHL hockey player with the Toronto Maple > Leafs. Killed himself in a high-speed car accident. For once we agree- Timmy's is sh.t. Especially compared to McDonald's. I'm not a donut or pastry guy, and their sandwiches are a gross, low quality rip-off. But you and I are the only two- they sold 700 million in shares the first day they went public, and they're Canada's #1 fast food joint. Sales almost doubles in 5 years, a phenomenal accomplishment for a 40 year old company. I never see one that isn't packed, and it makes me laugh my a.s off. Seems few others share our opinion.  Signature"The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails" -Ward Popeye "Best thing for him, really. His therapy was going nowhere," -Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com > >>>> Did you visit the local Timmy's? > >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Especially compared to McDonald's. much less In n Out, or Fatburger. Popeye: try the Triple King at Fatburger. 1.5 lbs of great burger! On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:32:28 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: >>>>> mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard >>>>> resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Especially compared to McDonald's. You've got to be kidding. McD's is sh.t, too. In fact, all their stuff is sh.t. > I'm not a donut or pastry guy, and their sandwiches are a gross, low >quality rip-off. They are now, but used to be very good. Crusty bread, tasty, decent size. Now they're just tiny and crappy. Used to have good soup. > But you and I are the only two- they sold 700 million in shares the first >day they went public, and they're Canada's #1 fast food joint. > > Sales almost doubles in 5 years, a phenomenal accomplishment for a 40 year >old company. Anytime one opens, it automatically does well. > I never see one that isn't packed, and it makes me laugh my a.s off. > > Seems few others share our opinion. They're everywhere, and provide people with a constant "quality." Same as McD's. Which ain't saying much. Mike from Ottawa <mev@tikaCANOE.ca> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :FWIW, Tim Horton was an NHL hockey player with the Toronto Maple :Leafs. Killed himself in a high-speed car accident. Was a Buffalo Sabre at the time. Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- >Mike from Ottawa <mev@tikaCANOE.ca> pounded away at his keyboard >resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Was a Buffalo Sabre at the time. Yes, but his best years were with the Leafs. Back in the days when players spent most of their time with the same team. >>> mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard >>> resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > OK must be talking about Tim Horton's. Proof that you can get crap > American coffee in Canada Just the usual, bitter, -incorrect-, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID AA statement. Not to mention his usual "taking the thread off topic with hate" M.O.. No different from thousands of his other posts. STUPID David Frank's jealousy knows no bounds. Signature"The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails" -Ward Popeye "Best thing for him, really. His therapy was going nowhere," -Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>> mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard >>>> resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Just the usual, bitter, -incorrect-, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID AA statement. You really are getting paranoid. You can get great coffee in America but a lot of it is crap same as it is in Australia but as you a McDonalds man your tastebuds have proberbly destroyed snip >>>>> mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard >>>>> resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > lot of it is crap same as it is in Australia but as you a McDonalds man > your tastebuds have proberbly destroyed I'm not paranoid. You get a crap cup of coffee in Canada, and it's automatically "crap American coffee". Your posting history exceeds you extensively. Signature"The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails" -Ward Popeye "Best thing for him, really. His therapy was going nowhere," -Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>>>> mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard >>>>>> resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > You get a crap cup of coffee in Canada, and it's automatically "crap > American coffee". your right I should have American Style coffee > Your posting history exceeds you extensively. exceeds me how > >>>> :A most pleasant weekend was had by all. My 1st trip to the St. > >>>> Lawrence area. > > >>>> Did you see any fish? > > >>>> Did you visit the local Timmy's? snip Think we should all go back to wearing rec.scuba t-shirts. Same time you were in the Brockville/Kingston area I was covering a dive presentation at the Great Lakes Marine Museum and was up and down the river taking pictures. "dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :What's a Timmy's as a matter of interest Tim Horton's Doughnuts. Timmy's Tasty Torroids for the scientific types. Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- I did not go this year because last year I was a witness to an underwater chimney like tube spewing some kind of black liquid downstream. What this means is that the St Lawrence is probably extremely polluted. I used the hood not for the cold but for the polllution after that. After that also............no interest of going back. >A most pleasant weekend was had by all. My 1st trip to the St. Lawrence area. > [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] > >Arnold > I did not go this year because last year I was a witness to an > underwater chimney like tube spewing some kind of black liquid > downstream. What this means is that the St Lawrence is probably > extremely polluted. I used the hood not for the cold but for the > polllution after that. It can't be any worse than the Delray Outfall. Maybe I should start wearing a hood when I dive in Florida. I wouldn't want my hair to fall out. >I did not go this year because last year I was a witness to an >underwater chimney like tube spewing some kind of black liquid >downstream. Would that be downstream of Brockville/Prescott? I don't think I got any further downstream than the "America" wreck. And the water seemed OK around there.... ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold >A most pleasant weekend was had by all. My 1st trip to the St. Lawrence area. <snip> > http://www.wrecksandreefs.com/keystorm.htm > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >had waited another 1/2 hour before we got off the boat. After a shower, we had dinner at >a nice Italian place in Brockville and called it an early night. My first time on the Keystorm, the vis was a good 50' or so, too (thanks to the zebra mussels), and it was impressive coming down the line to the mast and seeing most of the ship. It's pretty much vertical, and I've seen the gash, too. Two friends dived there, right down to the prop, and one got something like a dark narc -- it's taken him a few years to get his confidence back. Lots of great diving on the St Lawrence, with a bit of current to make it interesting. The Iroquois was a French ship that sank in 1763. You can still see the ribs sticking out of the bottom. The Eastcliffe Hall was a laker that sank in 1970 with a loss of 9 lives. I was told the captain was drunk, smashed into a sunken lighthouse on 1 side, then careened into the middle to sink. Other ships radioed him to offer assistance and he just told 'em to piss off. Currents are fast but not so bad within the wreck. The Lillie Parsons is a nice little wreck that sank in 1877, again in fast currents. Great for a little drift as long as you remember to nip into shore before going too far. Locals dive the Rothesay and Conestoga from shore. "Oscar" is the big muskie that lives around the Rothesay. Lock 21 is one of the sunken locks that's fun to dive, and with access from shore. It's about 30' down to the top of the lock, and then you fly over the top and down into the dark of the lock, carried by the current. I've seen some very large carp and smallmouth bass there. Kingston has a naval graveyard offshore, and I'd like to get out there some time. There must be around 300 wrecks in eastern Lake Ontario and the western part of the St Lawrence. Never seen a thermocline in the St Lawrence, but they're definitely there in Lake Ontario. You can see it shimmering in front of you just before crashing through and getting thoroughly chilled. I still dive wet, mostly with a 5/2 mm suit. The 7mm is reserved for May diving. I usually check this NOAA data buoy site for water temps: http://seaboard.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=aban6 Currently 72 F. > Locals dive the Rothesay and Conestoga from shore. "Oscar" is the big > muskie that lives around the Rothesay. I found where you can dive the Rothesay, but didn't find the Conestoga. Do you take Galop Canal Road to get to where you can dive from? Maybe I would have had time to look more if I didn't stop at Bud the Spud. >> Locals dive the Rothesay and Conestoga from shore. "Oscar" is the big >> muskie that lives around the Rothesay. > >I found where you can dive the Rothesay, but didn't find the Conestoga. >Do you take Galop Canal Road to get to where you can dive from? Maybe I >would have had time to look more if I didn't stop at Bud the Spud. The Connie is in the small village of Cardinal. There's a park there, just follow the road in. I did my OW dive there, and it's really nothing more than a reasonably good kick-off dive for the season. About 20' off shore. |
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