>> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-indymac12-2008jul12,0,6071779.story
>> Somebody's a.s in a sling?
>> I hope so.
Lee: Excellent posting. Hear hear.
>The whole country's a.s is in a sling. There's a reason that banking
>regulators do not make their list of troubled institutions public. This is
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>than he planned. He should be shot, but we're not allowed to do that
>anymore.
Bad procedures. Bad banking work. But bad work isn't in itself a crime.
>There are a few things in the article worth focusing on:
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>government will do everything they can to ensure it is. They have to. The
>entire economy of the US depends on faith in the financial system.
Managing this without any banks failing will be a masterpiece in
banking regulation. So far, soo good.
>2. Note that the OTS was the regulator, but the FDIC closed the institution.
>The FSLIC used to insure savings and loans, but failed during the last major
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>value that is above the real value and loans that are underwater the day
>they are made.
It is a bubble, and a debt-financed one to boot. Makes it a lot worse.
>4. Note the reference to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the possibility that
>they may have to be taken over. Taken over is a euphemism for failed. This
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>elements. Nobody knows how much loss is concealed in the loans held by
>them, but I'd bet it's massive.
This transaction of taking over F.mae/F.mac was the largest, single
transaction in the history of the Federal US. The last one was the Lend Lease
agreeement. You must expect the equity in the Mae/Mac system to be gone,
but the system can survive under new owners. (i.e. the federal government,
which just grew by almost 30%). Make a note to privatise them again in
a decade or so.
>While the situation is very serious, it's manageable. The government will
>probably claim that they're not gong to bail everybody out, but they'll do
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>to turn the economy around for citizens. I don't have much faith in their
>sense.
Construction companies and workers are an "indicator group", because they
funnel a lot of money around to suppliers. They create ripples.
>At any rate, watch for the ripples. This failure is going to have lots of
>them. This institution will reopen Monday and the effects of its failure
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>paying higher than normal interest rates. The only reason banks do that is
>because their lack of liquidity forces them to.
Other investing institutions have automatic rules for dumping assets
that underperform. These rules have aggraveted the situation severely,
but there is no good response. A fund requiring 90% AAA bonds must stick
to their agenda, even in bad times.
> If I had uninsured
>deposits, I'd be making some other arrangements. Other arrangements would
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>deposits in the payee bank afterwards. Money used to purchase a cashier's
>checks is no longer a deposit and may not be insured.
Don't panic. Go diving instead.
-- mrr
Lee Bell - 23 Jul 2008 09:10 GMT
>>The last time I checked, nobody has lost their money in a bank failure
>>since the government started insuring
>>deposits. Sometimes it took a while. That may no longer be true, but the
>>government will do everything they can to ensure it is. They have to.
>>The
>>entire economy of the US depends on faith in the financial system.
> Managing this without any banks failing will be a masterpiece in
> banking regulation. So far, soo good.
Oh, there have been failures, and there will be a lot more. The loans,
investments and deposits continue. The banks don't. The last time we had
major banking problems, primarily with Savings and Loans, some institutions
failed, were restructured and were sold, but many could not be. There's
only so man investors to go around. Instead of selling whole banks, the
insurance funds sold assets and deposits. We wound up with fewer
institutions, but the same number of loans and deposit accounts. The FSLIC,
the savings and loan insurance agency failed in the process and the FDIC
took over.
>> All of these practices result in a recorded
>>value that is above the real value and loans that are underwater the day
>>they are made.
> It is a bubble, and a debt-financed one to boot. Makes it a lot worse.
What a nice word for such a nasty reality. It's a failure to protect the
depositor's and the taxpayer's money. The banking industry has forgotten
what their primary purpose in life is, and the country will pay the price.
Interstingly, similar problems have occurred every time the industry has
shifted to production based pay for loan officers. Note it's not some
times, but every time. This is the third or fourth cycle during my
professional career.
> Construction companies and workers are an "indicator group", because they
> funnel a lot of money around to suppliers. They create ripples.
Construction workers, for sure. The companies are, for the most part,
shells that come and go. The principals behind them tend to be the same.
> Don't panic. Go diving instead.
Sounds like a plan.
Lee