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sweir toronto canada - 05 Jun 2008 03:59 GMT
Flew down to Atlanta on Saturday to dive in the Atlanta Aquarium.  The
Atlanta Aquarium is North America's largest.  It has several salt
water tanks and one freshwater display, the largest tank  being the
length of an American football field (Cdn fields are longer).  33 ft
at its deepest.  Tank is stocked with a variety of sharks including 4
whale sharks - 2 male and 2 females. Later this month the Aquarium
will be allowing 6 divers a day and 6 snorkellers a day into the whale
shark tank for a half-hour escorted dive.  Says it is the only
Aquarium in the world that lets you dive with whale sharks.

Real interesting dive. Probably not the sort of thing you would want
to do twice.  Water about 74 degrees and the visibilty is terrific
(yet somehow my underwater shots have an amazing amount of splatter).
Fish unafraid and as a result stick around for pictures.  The whale
sharks are curious and do come close to the divers, although at 20ft
in length, you don't have to be very close at all to fill the frame.

Will all the sharks around (from the whale sharks to a hammerhead to
Wobegones)I  still found myself fascinated by the hundreds of
spectators who stood inside a clear plexiglass walk-through in the
middle of the aquarium waving, jumping up and down and  taking
pictures of the 4 visiting divers.

The aquarium supplies all the gear, although you can bring your own
mask. I was not allowed my computer (just want to check to see when I
was clear to fly, but, at 33 ft for half-an-hour who gives a damn
anyway). Cameras are not allowed (I got special permission to bring a
new loaner in - shouldn't have, because I flooded one of two strobes
upon heating the water - ouch). Very regulated dive, but, like I said,
it is the sort of thing you do only once.  The Aquarium will be
sending along videographers with each dive, so you can buy the movie
of your visit.  The snorkellers hit the tank an hour after the divers.
They are given small bcs which are equiped with small tanks (about the
size of a bailout), along with a snorkel. Because of the buoyancy of
the full length suits and the buoyancy of the BC, getting deeper than
a couple of feet would be be real feat of strength.

The diving is not cheap. Even though the programme hasn't offically
opened, they are close to being sold out. Will post pictures from the
pool soon at my website, www.stephenweir.com.  But, I said that about
my underwater Cuba pixs and I haven't got around to that yet either.

Email if you want more info on Atanta.
dechucka - 05 Jun 2008 05:57 GMT
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> Will all the sharks around (from the whale sharks to a hammerhead to
> Wobegones)

I assume you mean a Wobbegong one of the few sharks that can turn around and
bite someone touching it's tail
Greg Mossman - 05 Jun 2008 17:50 GMT
> Flew down to Atlanta on Saturday to dive in the Atlanta Aquarium.  

Grrr.  I did a "behind the scenes" tour there that included watching
the whale sharks get fed from the top of the tank and of course I
thought it would make a great dive, but was assured that would never
happen because of the need to maintain a controlled environment.  I
guess the use of their equipment satisfies that requirement.

To think of all the money I could have saved on my Galapagos trip had
we been able to simply fly to Atlanta instead.
Joe English - 06 Jun 2008 02:13 GMT
>> Flew down to Atlanta on Saturday to dive in the Atlanta Aquarium.  
>
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> To think of all the money I could have saved on my Galapagos trip had
> we been able to simply fly to Atlanta instead.

Lawyers wasting money

What a travesty of justice!
Dan Bracuk - 05 Jun 2008 22:36 GMT
sweir toronto canada <sweir5492@rogers.com> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:

:(yet somehow my underwater shots have an amazing amount of splatter).

:The diving is not cheap. Even though the programme hasn't offically
:opened, they are close to being sold out. Will post pictures from the
:pool soon at my website, www.stephenweir.com.  But, I said that about
:my underwater Cuba pixs and I haven't got around to that yet either.

If you use a flash, even a swimming pool will give you lots of
backscatter, more so than the ocean in some cases.

Regarding posting photos, I eventually determined that the time and
effort it took to post to my own site was not worth it.  I now use
photobucket.

Dan Bracuk
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Star - 06 Jun 2008 04:54 GMT
> Flew down to Atlanta on Saturday to dive in the Atlanta Aquarium.  The
> Atlanta Aquarium is North America's largest.  It has several salt
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>
> Email if you want more info on Atanta.

We have Wobbies too - they are a hoot, although due to their innate
habits, I stay arm's length.

Is there still fallout around the deaths of their whale sharks?

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Greg Mossman - 06 Jun 2008 16:30 GMT
> We have Wobbies too - they are a hoot, although due to their innate
> habits, I stay arm's length.
>
> Is there still fallout around the deaths of their whale sharks?

Why, were they radioactive?
Star - 08 Jun 2008 01:10 GMT
> > We have Wobbies too - they are a hoot, although due to their innate
> > habits, I stay arm's length.
>
> > Is there still fallout around the deaths of their whale sharks?
>
> Why, were they radioactive?

Doubtful.  Just dead.

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Greg Mossman - 08 Jun 2008 22:50 GMT
> > > We have Wobbies too - they are a hoot, although due to their innate
> > > habits, I stay arm's length.
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>
> Doubtful.  Just dead.

I wonder where they found a toilet big enough to flush them.
Greg Mossman - 12 Jun 2008 20:59 GMT
> Flew down to Atlanta on Saturday to dive in the Atlanta Aquarium.  The

And now another reason to visit, mating sea dragons:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080612/ap_on_fe_st/odd_pregnant_sea_dragon_3
Don - 12 Jun 2008 23:28 GMT
> On Jun 4, 7:59 pm, sweir toronto canada <sweir5...@rogers.com>
> wrote:
>> Flew down to Atlanta on Saturday to dive in the Atlanta Aquarium.
>> The
>
> And now another reason to visit, mating sea dragons:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080612/ap_on_fe_st/odd_pregnant_sea_dragon_3

I'd rather see them in the wild, thanks. But, I guess some
of you guys don't have a lot of options for that.

I've got some photos that I took up on a couple of web pages at:
http://goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au/~gingrich/hobby.html

If you're interested, the Rapid Bay photos include a Leafy Sea Dragon
and the Victorian photos include several photos of Weedy Sea Dragons.

-Don
sweir toronto canada - 13 Jun 2008 01:43 GMT
> I'd rather see them in the wild, thanks. But, I guess some
> of you guys don't have a lot of options for that.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> -Don

I have made in-door dives in a number of places (Epcot Centre, New
Jersey Aquarium and countless pools around Ontario) and they will
NEVER replace the real thing, but, they are enjoyable in a very weird
way.  For a long time you could dive in the West Edmonton Mall, but,
got an email from them today saying that their dive programme is no
longer running.

Been trying to dive in an old minute man missile silo in Lubbock
Texas, but, haven't been able to find out who owns the place.
Other spots on my hit list?

ß Bonne Terre Mine – Bonne Terre, Missouri.
ß The Florida Aquarium.  Located in Tampa, Florida
ß Blue Water Aquarium. Chester UK.
ß Nemo 33, Brussels
ß Siam Ocean World, Bangkok Thailand.
ß Melbourne Aquarium, Melbourne, Australia.
Jer - 23 Jul 2008 06:58 GMT
> Been trying to dive in an old minute man missile silo in Lubbock
> Texas, but, haven't been able to find out who owns the place.

The name is the Valhalla site, privately owned, and it's closer to
Abilene Texas than Lubbock.  A number of Texas shops schedule group
visits.  Lots more available from a google.

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stephen@stephenweir.com - 22 Jul 2008 06:54 GMT
> > On Jun 4, 7:59 pm, sweir toronto canada <sweir5...@rogers.com>
> > wrote:

The Toronto Star published my 3-page featuring on swimming with the
whale sharks at the Aquarium in Atlanta.  The story and some of the
photos can be read/seen on my website www.stephenweir.com
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 22 Jul 2008 07:35 GMT
On Jun 12, 6:28 pm, Don <aussie.impo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Greg Mossman wrote:
> > On Jun 4, 7:59 pm, sweir toronto canada <sweir5...@rogers.com>
> > wrote:

The Toronto Star published my 3-page featuring on swimming with the
whale sharks at the Aquarium in Atlanta.  The story and some of the
photos can be read/seen on my website www.stephenweir.com

   Very, very cool.

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Lee Bell - 22 Jul 2008 12:59 GMT
> The Toronto Star published my 3-page featuring on swimming with the whale
> sharks at the Aquarium in Atlanta.  The story and some of the
> photos can be read/seen on my website www.stephenweir.com .

Pretty cool opportunity, and a pretty nice article on your experience.
Thanks for sharing.

As it happens, I was at the Georgia Aquarium last Friday.  Unfortunately, my
experience was not as enjoyable as yours.  The aquarium is nice, very nice,
but the operation leaves a lot to be desired.  My experience was
significantly affected by the fact that school age children were out for the
summer.  There were thousands of them, all pushing and shoving to ensure
that they are at the front.  I understand that's how children are, but I
can't help but wish that their parents had made at least a little effort to
teach them better manners.

Things started off badly.  When we got to the Aquarium, the lines to
purchase tickets were long, very long, over an hour long.  That would not
have been a surprise on a weekend, but it did surprise me on a week day.
After a long wait in line, with no shade at all, we finally reached the
ticket sales window.  I was pleasantly surprised when I found that they
offered a discount for the whole party if even one member of the party is
over 50, which I am.  There aren't many advantages to getting older.  This
was one.  The general admission wound up being just under $30 per person.
That's not exactly cheap, but it's a lot less than I'm used to paying to
visit major tourist attractions.  I don't think you can even park at Disney
for $30.  There's another line once you have your tickets, but it moves a
bit faster.  All told, it took a bit over an hour to get to the entry point.

The discount took a bit of the edge off the long wait, but my joy was short
lived.  As you enter, there's a sign that says "no guns or pocket knives."
I can't say that I was surprised that they don't welcome guns.  While
Georgia has had a statewide concealed weapon law for a long time, it's
considerably more restrictive that Florida's.  Combine that with a history
of problems with violence, including, but not limited to terrorist acts
during the Olympics held there, and worry over what someone with a gun might
do in the world's largest marine aquarium make a bit more sense.  I don't
normally carry a weapon when visiting tourist attractions.  Right or wrong,
I don't think the small added security is enough to offset the inconvenience
of ensuring a weapon is safely secured and under my control at all times.
Others are free to disagree.

I was surprised at the restriction on pocket knives.  This is the deep
south, where pocket knives have long been almost universal and where, as far
as I know, there has never been much or a problem with them.  Not only was I
surprised, I was directly affected.  My money clip is a small pocket knife.
We're not talking an attack weapon here, just a pocket knife big enough to
clean finger nails, open packages and remove loose threads from my wife's
clothing.  It's small, but beautiful and too expensive to throw away, about
$60 at the local Bass Pro Shop.  So, here I am, after paying for parking,
walking the block or so to the entrance, waiting for more than an hour in
the blazing sun, standing in front of a sign that says I can't go in unless
I make the round trip back to my car and, once again, wait in line to enter
the aquarium.

Rather than do that, I decided to see how things went.  Things went well for
me, not so good for aquarium security.  At the desk, every body is required
to empty their pockets.  I complied, taking my money, including the
knife/clip, my wallet, phone, camera and my keys out of my pockets.  I was
not asked to place anything on the desk for inspection, everything remained
in my hands.  I didn't mention my pocket knife, but I didn't hide it either.
Nobody every looked.  They did, however, wand my pockets to ensure I was not
concealing anything else.  I must say that, given my position on the right
to keep and bear arms, I found the attempt to ban pocket knives more than a
little excessive.  I also found it completely ineffective.  A few minutes
later, I was inside the "weapon free safe zone" armed to the teeth with my
fingernail cleaning, money clip pocket knife.  The point is that all the
aquarium's overly restrictive policy did was ensure that the majority of the
people there were at the mercy of the few who, whether for good or bad
reasons, didn't comply with the policy.  Lucky for them I'm not a terrorist.
I could have nicked dozens before being forcibly subdued.  At any rate, the
security arrangements were enough to pretty much ensure I would not again be
spending money at the Georgia Aquarium.

While I'm on the subject of security, anybody that might have chosen to
conceal a much more significant weapon in a boot, ankle holster or anyplace
other than their pocket, would have waltzed right through that security.  I
have at least three ways of carrying a small firearm that would not have
been detected.  While I can never know for sure, I'd be willing to bet that
more than one person in that aquarium not only knew this too, but had taken
advantage of it to bring their gun with them.  So much for weapon free
zones.

Things went down hill from there.  I think the displays at the aquarium were
pretty spectacular, including the whale sharks.  It's hard to tell because
there were so many people, including a lot of exceptionally rude children of
all ages, that it was hard to tell.  The crowds significantly detracted from
my enjoyment.  If you're considering visiting the aquarium, I strongly
suggest you schedule it for day and date when children are in school.  A few
children around add to the experience by sharing their wonder with those old
enough to have become more jaded.  Thousands of them are almost too much to
bear.  In fact, we left the aquarium sooner than we normally would have
specifically to get away from the crowds.

The whale sharks were great, as were the zebra sharks and saw fish.  The
whale shark display, however, was a bit of a disappointment.  From almost
all viewing areas, the sharks were above the visitors.  A whale shark is
beautiful form above.  It's plain white from below.  Everything else was,
more or less the same as you might see at any other aquarium.  The downside
to this aquarium is that pretty much everything is indoors and there are no
shows to further enhance the experience.  While I liked the aquarium, on the
whole, I like the Miami Seaquarium and Sea World better.  YMMV.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 22 Jul 2008 14:39 GMT
> <step...@stephenweir.com> wrote
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> Things started off badly.  When we got to the Aquarium, the lines to
> purchase tickets were long, very long, over an hour long.  That would not

You can buy tickets online.  No wait.

> I was surprised at the restriction on pocket knives.  This is the deep

You can read the FAQ online that says "Is there a security check
before you get into the Aquarium?  Yes. There are no guns, knives,
matches, lighters, fishing poles, outside food, beverage or gum
allowed inside the Aquarium."

No surprises.
Grumman-581 - 22 Jul 2008 18:36 GMT
> I was surprised at the restriction on pocket knives.

Obviously they are afraid that you will filet yourself a meal...

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Scott - 22 Jul 2008 19:12 GMT
> > I was surprised at the restriction on pocket knives.
>
> Obviously they are afraid that you will filet yourself a meal...

Wonder what they would have thought about my Gerber MkI...
Grumman-581 - 22 Jul 2008 19:19 GMT
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> Wonder what they would have thought about my Gerber MkI...

Can't go wrong with the classics...

http://www.divingheritage.com/images/desco_knives%20002.jpg

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Scott - 22 Jul 2008 20:51 GMT
> "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in news:%ophk.8771$Dw3.4819
> @newsfe04.iad:

> > Wonder what they would have thought about my Gerber MkI...

> Can't go wrong with the classics...

> http://www.divingheritage.com/images/desco_knives%20002.jpg

Kinda hard to conceal in the small of your back...
Grumman-581 - 22 Jul 2008 21:33 GMT
"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in news:5Rqhk.6772$CY7.2422
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> Kinda hard to conceal in the small of your back...

Put a ring on the end of it and put it on your keyring and just say that it
is a key fob so that you can find your keys easier... <snicker>

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Scott - 22 Jul 2008 21:59 GMT
> "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in news:5Rqhk.6772$CY7.2422
> @newsfe06.iad:

> > Kinda hard to conceal in the small of your back...

> Put a ring on the end of it and put it on your keyring and just say that it
> is a key fob so that you can find your keys easier... <snicker>

It is, in fact, dive gear...
Zegrubber - 22 Jul 2008 21:43 GMT
>> "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in news:%ophk.8771$Dw3.4819
>> @newsfe04.iad:
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>
> Kinda hard to conceal in the small of your back...

So the thread degenerates from swimming with whale sharks to concealed
carry of knives. Typical of you losers.

And, btw, conceal it up your a.s where it belongs, along with your Gerber.
Scott - 22 Jul 2008 21:58 GMT
> So the thread degenerates from swimming with whale sharks to concealed
> carry of knives. Typical of you losers.

Hi "Carl".

> And, btw, conceal it up your a.s where it belongs, along with your Gerber.

Why don't you try and do it, big fellah?

Oh, that's right, you only pick on little boys.
 
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