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Scuba Forum / General / May 2008Stolt Dagali
The past winter was not kind to the Stolt, I'm afraid. The galley and surrounding sections have collapsed (no clue where that big Hobart mixer went but I didn't look for it very hard) and some of the formerly wide-open spaces within (from last year) are now tight. Still a worthwhile dive, though.  SignatureJohn Eells > The past winter was not kind to the Stolt, I'm afraid. The galley and > surrounding sections have collapsed (no clue where that big Hobart mixer > went but I didn't look for it very hard) and some of the formerly > wide-open spaces within (from last year) are now tight. > > Still a worthwhile dive, though. Glad to hear you got out there. Where did you go from? I was thinking about going out this past weekend, but the ride on the day I could go was on one of the old slow sea cow boats. The guys who got out there on Saturday had a good dive. >> The past winter was not kind to the Stolt, I'm afraid. The galley and >> surrounding sections have collapsed (no clue where that big Hobart mixer [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > day I could go was on one of the old slow sea cow boats. The guys who > got out there on Saturday had a good dive. We went out of Belmar on the Ol' Salty II, Nick Caruso's boat. It's not the world's fastest but I like the boat, the crew, and Nick, and dive with them a few times a year. (Among other things, the food is always great and Sunday was no exception.) Several familiar faces there and some new ones (to me). Viz was quite good on the first dive and for most of the second dive, and the water was warmer than I thought it would be. Near the end of the second dive viz started to go away surprisingly fast, dropping to a good-for-NJ 10'-15' from 30-40'+ over the space of 10-15 minutes, which was slightly disorienting (but only slightly--sort of like the first 10 minutes under the hood if you're a pilot--no problem finding my stage bottle and the upline), but overall it was a good day for me and my son. SignatureJohn Eells > Viz was quite good on the first dive and for most of the second dive, > and the water was warmer than I thought it would be. Near the end of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > minutes under the hood if you're a pilot--no problem finding my stage > bottle and the upline), but overall it was a good day for me and my son. I had 30-40ft viz the last time I dived the Stolt; what was the water temp? -hh > I had 30-40ft viz the last time I dived the Stolt; what was the water > temp? > > -hh According to the website, the water temp there never gets high enough for human diving. esg > According to the website, the water temp there never gets high enough > for human diving. Welcome to my hell. >> I had 30-40ft viz the last time I dived the Stolt; what was the water >> temp? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >According to the website, the water temp there never gets high enough >for human diving. When I dove it this past October, I did so in a 7mm (it is normally done with a drysuit). I did notice the thermocline at 100fsw. I'd say 68°F at 100fsw. No so bad for October (well.... by NJ standards anyway :-)) ). ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold > When I dove it this past October, I did so in a 7mm (it is normally done with > a drysuit). I did notice the thermocline at 100fsw. I'd say 68°F at 100fsw. I don't think so - I saw maybe 54 at that depth on other wrecks in October. >> When I dove it this past October, I did so in a 7mm (it is normally done with >> a drysuit). I did notice the thermocline at 100fsw. I'd say 68°F at 100fsw. > >I don't think so - I saw maybe 54 at that depth on other wrecks in >October. Well, the thermometer in my Pro Plus 2 always exagerates..... ;-) ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold > In article <b2l834lpf2nrru293t7mq2e0bp5und9963@4ax.com>, zmpmag3- > plongee@yahoo.com says... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I don't think so - I saw maybe 54 at that depth on other wrecks in > October. That's typical. Rarely over about 62 that deep and that far out. That said, our first dive on the Stolt was luckily on one of those rare days when the visibility was in excess of 70 feet, and the water was quite warm. This was one of our first local wreck dives. We were using rented 7mm two-piece suits, and we were never cold. The conditions seemed virtually tropical. Unfortunately, our dive time was severly limited due to the rented 72cf cylinders we were using and my newbie SAC rate. I remember it as if it was yesterday - me signaling to Tina that it was time to go up due to having hit my turn pressure, and she showing me her SPG and shaking her head back and forth to say "NO!" That was 14 years ago. We still have a good laugh about it every now and then, especially since my SAC rate is lower than hers is now. We haven't seen conditions like that on the Stolt since, though we have on a few other, and unfortunately less interesting wrecks. SignatureArt Greenberg artg at eclipse dot net > That said, our first dive on the Stolt was luckily on one of those rare > days when the visibility was in excess of 70 feet, and the water was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > it was time to go up due to having hit my turn pressure, and she showing > me her SPG and shaking her head back and forth to say "NO!" A dive like that would get anyone up here excited. For many people, it's a dive like that that sets the hook. The inshore stuff must have been a bit of a disappointment after that. > That was 14 years ago. We still have a good laugh about it every now and > then, especially since my SAC rate is lower than hers is now. We haven't > seen conditions like that on the Stolt since, though we have on a few > other, and unfortunately less interesting wrecks. Do you remember the weather conditions that result in 70 ft vis? I don't have a whole lot of dives here, but I've never seen that kind of vis or water that warm here. I saw some pretty decent conditons on the offshore stuff in the fall, but nothing like that. al > A dive like that would get anyone up here excited. For many people, > it's a dive like that that sets the hook. The inshore stuff must have > been a bit of a disappointment after that. Yeah, that dive was one of the reasons we are still diving up here. There's always a chance it will happen again ... and it has, but not on the Stolt (well, it has, but not for us). We have seen similar conditions inshore. Just a few seasons ago on the Dykes (23 July 2005), we had something like this. It was a treat to be able to see so much of the wreck at once, and to have the water relatively warm (55F). Being not so deep, we had plenty of bottom time and we were able to swim the thing from end to end, and stopped to feed mussels to the fish for a while. Too bad the Dykes isn't a very interesting wreck. We did two dives on the Dykes that day, and the viz had dropped significantly on the second dive. I also remember a few dives years back on the "Big T" with the Princeton Scuba Club, which were _all_ relatively shallow inshore dives out of Barnegat, where we had very warm and clear water. We even saw a barracuda and schools of baitfish on one of those dives. Just like North Carolina! > Do you remember the weather conditions that result in 70 ft vis? I > don't have a whole lot of dives here, but I've never seen that kind > of vis or water that warm here. I saw some pretty decent conditons on > the offshore stuff in the fall, but nothing like that. Typically its later in the season (August through early October). That's all I can be reasonably certain about. Water temperature tends to rise through most of September. That time of year the "Bermuda High" sets up off shore and changes very slowly. If the high is strong enough, the accompanying SW to SSW light wind usually results in good seas. But we've seen viz ranging from near zero to excellent in dead flat seas (as in not even a ripple), so sea state is not a predictor. Some around here say that the really exceptional days off shore have something to do with the Gulf Stream, but that is so far off shore here that I don't understand how that can have an influence only 15 miles out. SignatureArt Greenberg artg at eclipse dot net >> I had 30-40ft viz the last time I dived the Stolt; what was the water >> temp? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > esg Sure it does. It hardly ever actually *freezes*. SignatureJohn Eells >> Viz was quite good on the first dive and for most of the second dive, >> and the water was warmer than I thought it would be. Near the end of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -hh My son says about 40F. (I'm too lazy to get off the couch and retrieve a computer to look at.) SignatureJohn Eells > We went out of Belmar on the Ol' Salty II, Nick Caruso's boat. It's not > the world's fastest but I like the boat, the crew, and Nick, and dive > with them a few times a year. (Among other things, the food is always > great and Sunday was no exception.) Several familiar faces there and > some new ones (to me). How long did it take to get out there on that boat? >> We went out of Belmar on the Ol' Salty II, Nick Caruso's boat. It's not >> the world's fastest but I like the boat, the crew, and Nick, and dive [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > How long did it take to get out there on that boat? A bit under 2 hours. SignatureJohn Eells >>> We went out of Belmar on the Ol' Salty II, Nick Caruso's boat. It's not >>> the world's fastest but I like the boat, the crew, and Nick, and dive [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >A bit under 2 hours. Less than 1 hour on the Gypsy Blood from Brielle. At least they don't leave earlier like they do for the R. P. Resor. ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold >The past winter was not kind to the Stolt, I'm afraid. The galley and >surrounding sections have collapsed (no clue where that big Hobart mixer >went but I didn't look for it very hard) and some of the formerly >wide-open spaces within (from last year) are now tight. > >Still a worthwhile dive, though. I dove it last October. We were pretty much anchored at the stern and I did some investigation of a few of those compoartments. I went down to about 122fsw on it. A shame. I'd be interested in what happened to it, but I don't think I'm scheduled for it this year so far. We'll see. ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold >>The past winter was not kind to the Stolt, I'm afraid. The galley and >>surrounding sections have collapsed (no clue where that big Hobart mixer [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > A shame. I'd be interested in what happened to it, but I don't think I'm > scheduled for it this year so far. We'll see. Curious as to when the wreck went down and what it was. The local (artificial reef) wrecks have deteriorated much faster than I would have expected. Most are European built coasters and are quickly becoming downright dangerous. The military stuff holds up a lot better. esg >> I dove it last October. We were pretty much anchored at the stern and I >> did some investigation of a few of those compoartments. I went down to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >would have expected. Most are European built coasters and are quickly >becoming downright dangerous. The military stuff holds up a lot better. http://njscuba.net/sites/site_stolt_dagali.html Hope this helps. ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold <snip> > http://njscuba.net/sites/site_stolt_dagali.html > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Arnold It didn't look much like the photos last year (September) and looks even less like that now. The tile floor shown in one photo is in the galley. It was intact last year but is now partly collapsed, along with two of the galley bulkheads. The gallery nearby is also pretty much gone. SignatureJohn Eells >>>I dove it last October. We were pretty much anchored at the stern and I >>>did some investigation of a few of those compoartments. I went down to [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Arnold Great site! Thanks! esg |
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