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Jason A. - 13 May 2008 23:12 GMT
OK, so my wife has expressed some interest in taking up SCUBA, once we
get some cash in hand.  However, she has a minor problem.

She can't kick worth a dang.

When we go to the community pool, and she tries to swim, almost all her
forward progress is from her hands.  If she tries to back stroke, using
nothing but her legs to move, she tends to stay in place.

I've tried to help, some, but I'm apparently not a very good teacher
(but I've been patient, and not gotten aggravated, so she's not getting
flustered / upset)

She's never taken any swimming lessons, ever.  She's (now) not afraid of
the water (did some snorkeling in Hawaii over X-Mas)

Any thoughts?  I believe the community center offers swimming lessons,
but the times are very inconvenient for both of us...

Thanks,
Jason A.
Chris Guynn - 13 May 2008 23:15 GMT
> OK, so my wife has expressed some interest in taking up SCUBA, once we
> get some cash in hand.  However, she has a minor problem.
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> Thanks,
> Jason A.

Swimming lessons will be your best bet.

You might also try getting her some fins to try out (you can get cheap fins
at Academy or Big 5 Sports or similar places), but I'd recommend the
swimming lessons first.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 13 May 2008 23:52 GMT
>> OK, so my wife has expressed some interest in taking up SCUBA, once we
>> get some cash in hand.  However, she has a minor problem.
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> at Academy or Big 5 Sports or similar places), but I'd recommend the
> swimming lessons first.

 I taught Kimber's son to swim after numerous failures by others, by
getting him some pool fins.

 He was 8, and couldn't swim (and his six yr old sister could) of float.

 One set of fins, and he was swimming the pool end-to-end in one hour.

 Pool fins.

 One hour.

 -DONE-.

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mat.voss - 14 May 2008 09:13 GMT
>  I taught Kimber's son to swim after numerous failures by others, by
> getting him some pool fins.
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>
>  One hour.

Was this a texan pool? We would call that "lake", or Fjord.

-In fact, it was with fins, that I succeeded in my first attempts to crawl.

Matthias
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 14 May 2008 20:20 GMT
>>  I taught Kimber's son to swim after numerous failures by others, by
>> getting him some pool fins.
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>
> Was this a texan pool? We would call that "lake", or Fjord.

 Just a regular olympic.  :-)

> -In fact, it was with fins, that I succeeded in my first attempts to
> crawl.
>
> Matthias

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Sheldon - 14 May 2008 00:57 GMT
> OK, so my wife has expressed some interest in taking up SCUBA, once we get
> some cash in hand.  However, she has a minor problem.
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> Thanks,
> Jason A.

The problem is the way your feet point.  Most sports, and walking in
general, tend to place your ankles at 90 degrees.  Now, look at your feet,
sit in a chair and pretend you are kicking.  When your foot moves up, the
angle of your foot (the top of your foot) is moving you backwards in the
water.  When your foot moves down, the angle of your foot (the bottom of
your foot) propels you forward.  So, you stay in place.

Good swimmers have very flexible ankles, and are able to point their feet so
that either direction propels them forward.  Fins are flexible, so no matter
how you kick they propel you forward, and some fins are even on an angle to
compensate.

To pass a scuba swim test you only have to navigate across the pool, with
any stroke and with no time limit.  Since scuba and freestyle swimming have
little in common, keep up with the swim lessons but use another stroke for
the test.  The main thing is that she is comfortable in the water.  The PADI
swim test lets you use a snorkel, mask and fins.  I'm a lousy swimmer, and
passed both the PADI and NAUI swim tests.  Like your wife, without fins and
doing a freestyle stroke, I kinda don't go anywhere either.  My best stroke
is a side stroke.

When I was a kid I was on the swim team.  Apparently my ankles stiffened up
from other sports.
Lee Bell - 14 May 2008 01:39 GMT
> She can't kick worth a dang.

Put some fins on her and see how she does.  There are a lot of people that
don't get much power from their kick and still swim, and dive, just fine.

Lee
-hh - 15 May 2008 11:20 GMT
> > She can't kick worth a dang.
>
> Put some fins on her and see how she does.  There are a lot of people that
> don't get much power from their kick and still swim, and dive, just fine.

There's also a good number of divers who get no thrust from their kick
while wearing fins - they just sit there and bicycle.

If pool access is easy/cheap, I'd try a little bit of self-help in the
form of examining form.  One good exercise is to put your back against
the wall, sling our arms on it, put the legs out and kick ... the
point is to encourage a 'stiff leg' motion working from the hip, and
being pinned against the wall makes it clear if you're generating
thrust or not.  Repeat the same with fins.

Also, consider putting on full snorkeling gear, instead of just
fins...the exercise then can be to not use the hands at all.

-hh
Greg Mossman - 15 May 2008 16:56 GMT
> > > She can't kick worth a dang.
>
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> There's also a good number of divers who get no thrust from their kick
> while wearing fins - they just sit there and bicycle.

Obviously they would benefit from split fins.
dechucka - 15 May 2008 22:36 GMT
On May 15, 3:20 am, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > She can't kick worth a dang.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> There's also a good number of divers who get no thrust from their kick
> while wearing fins - they just sit there and bicycle.

Obviously they would benefit from split fins.

or the PADI kicking course , badge at end
 
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