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New York East River CSI diving question

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dechucka - 12 Mar 2008 05:20 GMT
Watching  the other nights episode of CSI New York ( eldest daughter loves
it I was doing the crossword, supervising to judge  if it was suitable )
raised some questions. Is the East River that clear? are there still
supposedly unfound wrecks in the E river,? did they dump a lot of rail cars
in the E River? was the " finding a syringe is not significant as their is a
hospital upstream" comment legit? if you are wearing the full face equipment
so you can talk U/W how can you buddy breathe ( no occys or residual air
seen), why was my daughter watching this programme and why was I?

ps if the Albanian terrorists were going to blow up the helipad why didn't
they just do it
El Stroko Guapo - 12 Mar 2008 15:10 GMT
> Watching  the other nights episode of CSI New York ( eldest daughter loves
> it I was doing the crossword, supervising to judge  if it was suitable )
> raised some questions. Is the East River that clear?

Certainly not gin clear, but under the right conditions as clear as many
of the sites scuba divers visit.

> are there still
> supposedly unfound wrecks in the E river,?

The East River has been a very active waterway for a long time and is
certainly littered with "unfound" wrecks. Whether any are worth finding
is another question.

> did they dump a lot of rail cars
> in the E River?

A lot of rail and subway cars have been dumped, I doubt in the East
River because it is fairly shallow, unless they were used as fill along
the banks.

> was the " finding a syringe is not significant as their is a
> hospital upstream" comment legit?

It's not significant because there are a lot of junkies upstream.

> if you are wearing the full face equipment
> so you can talk U/W how can you buddy breathe ( no occys or residual air
> seen),

Technically feasible with some designs (remove the second stage and
discard the mask) but not a practical thing. Simplest alternative is a
bailout bottle with constant flow into the mask. It is assumed that by
the time you graduaate to ffm, you know how to manage yer gas supply.

> why was my daughter watching this programme and why was I?

Because the East River was the site of America's first scuba diving and
the site of America's first scuba death. In 1828 or shortly after,
Charles Condert fabricated a SCUBA tank from four feet of six inch
copper tubing. Using a compressor made from a gun barrel, he pumped
about ten cubic feet into the tank. From a small manual valve at the
tank, a tube ran under a hip-length rubberized fabric tunic into the
attached hood, made of the same material. Condert made many dives with
this gear in the East River, descending and ascending on a shot line to
twenty feet. On his last dive, in August of 1832, Charles Condert died.
My someday-to-be-published book presents a new theory on the cause of
his death.

> ps if the Albanian terrorists were going to blow up the helipad why didn't
> they just do it

Albanians are notoriously stupid.

esg
dechucka - 13 Mar 2008 00:17 GMT
>> Watching  the other nights episode of CSI New York ( eldest daughter
>> loves it I was doing the crossword, supervising to judge  if it was
>> suitable ) raised some questions. Is the East River that clear?
>
> Certainly not gin clear, but under the right conditions as clear as many
> of the sites scuba divers visit.

cool and interesting comment

>> are there still supposedly unfound wrecks in the E river,?
>
> The East River has been a very active waterway for a long time and is
> certainly littered with "unfound" wrecks. Whether any are worth finding is
> another question.

cool and interesting comment

>> did they dump a lot of rail cars in the E River?
>
> A lot of rail and subway cars have been dumped, I doubt in the East River
> because it is fairly shallow, unless they were used as fill along the
> banks.

supposedly they were diving at 150 feet which  is that 50m or so. Single
tank no obvious redundant air supply as they split up

>> was the " finding a syringe is not significant as their is a hospital
>> upstream" comment legit?
>
> It's not significant because there are a lot of junkies upstream.

junkies yes hospital comment I thought was interesting

>> if you are wearing the full face equipment so you can talk U/W how can
>> you buddy breathe ( no occys or residual air seen),
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> bailout bottle with constant flow into the mask. It is assumed that by the
> time you graduaate to ffm, you know how to manage yer gas supply.

probably

>> why was my daughter watching this programme and why was I?
>
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> in August of 1832, Charles Condert died. My someday-to-be-published book
> presents a new theory on the cause of his death.

that is amazing and interesting

>> ps if the Albanian terrorists were going to blow up the helipad why
>> didn't they just do it
>
> Albanians are notoriously stupid.

don't know if u can back that up but the rest of your post was really great
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 13 Mar 2008 10:55 GMT
>>> Watching  the other nights episode of CSI New York ( eldest daughter
>>> loves it I was doing the crossword, supervising to judge  if it was
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> supposedly they were diving at 150 feet which  is that 50m or so. Single
> tank no obvious redundant air supply as they split up

 At some point in the early 1900's, they re-dredged the channel from 17
feet feet to 45 feet deep, and they had to blast a lot of it (i.e., solid
rock, not sand and mud).

 So 150 fsw might be wishful thinking.

 Anything "Hollywood" films is very shallow.

 Jaws was filmed mostly in about 20 feet of water, and some parts were
filmed in the director's swimming pool.

>>> was the " finding a syringe is not significant as their is a hospital
>>> upstream" comment legit?
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> don't know if u can back that up but the rest of your post was really
> great

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Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 13 Mar 2008 10:48 GMT
> Watching  the other nights episode of CSI New York ( eldest daughter loves
> it I was doing the crossword, supervising to judge  if it was suitable )
> raised some questions. Is the East River that clear?

 The East River, if you didn't know, is what makes Long Island an island.

 A bunch of us went diving in Jamaica Bay, not far away, and it was
surprisingly clear.

>are there still supposedly unfound wrecks in the E river,?

 I don't have a factual answer for that, but based on dates (one of our
oldest, largest, and most popular ports), colonial population centers and
the geography (extensive shoreline) I bet there are thousands.

>did they dump a lot of rail cars in the E River?

 The only railcars I know of that were intentionally dumped, were subway
cars off the coast (and mostly New Jersey), for sport fishing and artificial
reefs.

 All the modern (i.e.- 19th century) rail traffic travels in
tunnels -under- the East River.

>was the " finding a syringe is not significant as their is a hospital
>upstream" comment legit? if you are wearing the full face equipment so you
>can talk U/W how can you buddy breathe

 The reg fits in the mask sans rubber mouth piece- buddy breathing wouldn't
be hard if you practiced.

> ( no occys or residual air seen), why was my daughter watching this
> programme

 To see what civilization is like?

>and why was I?

 Because you're drawn to all things American by angst.

> ps if the Albanian terrorists were going to blow up the helipad why didn't
> they just do it

 Hint: it's TV.

 Or it could be that Albanians are notoriously stupid.

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barnegatdx - 13 Mar 2008 23:55 GMT
> Watching  the other nights episode of CSI New York ( eldest daughter loves
> it I was doing the crossword, supervising to judge  if it was suitable )
> raised some questions. Is the East River that clear?

Not ever;.. Vis is ~ 2 feet; -

are there still
> supposedly unfound wrecks in the E river,?

If you include the Shopping carts, yes. It has a Very strong current.
& is " Commercial Diver Only " territory.

did they dump a lot of rail cars
> in the E River?

Probably not, as they would be a navigation hazard; - regular cars..
Probably a few.

was the " finding a syringe is not significant as their is a
> hospital upstream" comment legit?

- finding a syringe? in 2 foot Vis with 6 Knot Currents? Yer Dreaming!

if you are wearing the full face equipment
> so you can talk U/W how can you buddy breathe ( no occys or residual air
> seen), why was my daughter watching this programme and why was I?

Can't. As I understand it, theres one Comm. Guy, One Air tender guy &
then The Diver..

> ps if the Albanian terrorists were going to blow up the helipad why didn't
> they just do it

- Television . . . .
Richard Scalzo - 20 Mar 2008 05:54 GMT
The scenes were filmed in the Dutch Springs quarry in Bethlehem, PA. If they
filmed it in the East River you would have seen nothing...

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dechucka - 20 Mar 2008 05:56 GMT
> The scenes were filmed in the Dutch Springs quarry in Bethlehem, PA. If
> they filmed it in the East River you would have seen nothing...

yeah interesting. Thought 150 feet in the East River was interesting from my
visits to NY
crownfield - 20 Mar 2008 21:02 GMT
In article <47e1ee6b$0$6818$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says...
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-"Richard Scalzo" <rscalzo40@comcast.net> wrote in message
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-> The scenes were filmed in the Dutch Springs quarry in Bethlehem, PA. If
-> they filmed it in the East River you would have seen nothing...
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-yeah interesting. Thought 150 feet in the East River was interesting from my
-visits to NY

and their bottom time, at 150 feet, was how long on the show?

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El Stroko Guapo - 20 Mar 2008 21:25 GMT
> In article <47e1ee6b$0$6818$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says...
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>
> and their bottom time, at 150 feet, was how long on the show?

And did it include commercials?
Scott - 20 Mar 2008 22:01 GMT
> > In article <47e1ee6b$0$6818$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> > 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says...
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>
> And did it include commercials?

Five for fifteen.

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