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runcyclexcski@gmail.com - 10 Mar 2008 07:47 GMT
Hi scuba experts,

I don't do scuba, but scuba looks like the closest thing to a small
hobby project I am doing. It's a breathing circuit in which a person
breathes through a ~3/4" diameter, ~1 foot long tube. The problem I am
having is some of the exhaled air goes back into the tube and
potentially reduces the percentage of oxygen of the subsequently
inhaled air. So I am looking for a lightweight, simple one-way valve
that would open and let the air on the inhale and close on the exhale.
Fitting a standard 22 mm fitting would be helpful. How are such valves
called, and who may sell them?
Grumman-581 - 10 Mar 2008 09:51 GMT
On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:47:07 -0700, runcyclexcski wrote:

> I don't do scuba, but scuba looks like the closest thing to a small
> hobby project I am doing. It's a breathing circuit in which a person
> breathes through a ~3/4" diameter, ~1 foot long tube.

We call that a snorkel...

> The problem I am having is some of the exhaled air goes back into the
> tube and potentially reduces the percentage of oxygen of the
> subsequently inhaled air. So I am looking for a lightweight, simple
> one-way valve that would open and let the air on the inhale and close on
> the exhale.

Breathe through the mouth and exhale through the nose, perhaps?

Otherwise, look at the construction of the purge valve on a snorkel... You
would need two of them, one for the intake and one for the exhaust if you
really did not want the intake air mixing with the exhaust air...

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runcyclexcski@gmail.com - 10 Mar 2008 19:37 GMT
> Breathe through the mouth and exhale through the nose, perhaps?

Good point, but my gizmo connects through the nose, and the user
inhales through the nose and exhales through the mouth. When exhaling
through the mouth some air inevitably gets exhaled through the nose. I
know it because I get condensation on the exhale.
El Stroko Guapo - 11 Mar 2008 00:10 GMT
>>Breathe through the mouth and exhale through the nose, perhaps?
>
> Good point, but my gizmo connects through the nose, and the user
> inhales through the nose and exhales through the mouth. When exhaling
> through the mouth some air inevitably gets exhaled through the nose. I
> know it because I get condensation on the exhale.

That's the way the Ohgushi Peerless scuba system works.

esg
Scott - 11 Mar 2008 01:36 GMT
> >>Breathe through the mouth and exhale through the nose, perhaps?
> >
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> >
> That's the way the Ohgushi Peerless scuba system works.

Bastard.
Blah - 10 Mar 2008 13:21 GMT
> Hi scuba experts,
>
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> Fitting a standard 22 mm fitting would be helpful. How are such valves
> called, and who may sell them?

You can probably make something very simple - you just need a flap of
reasonable thick rubber material and attach it by one edge to your tube
so it just covers a suitable sized hole.
When you exhale the rubber will blow out of the way and air exit the
hole - on breathing in the rubber will seat over the hole firmly and
block and airflow.

I seem to remember small 2 stroke motorcyle carburettors having a flap
system like this - perhaps you could find two at a scrapyard.
El Stroko Guapo - 10 Mar 2008 15:01 GMT
> Hi scuba experts,
>
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> Fitting a standard 22 mm fitting would be helpful. How are such valves
> called, and who may sell them?

They're called duckbills, they were widely used in the oldy days, and
they are still available from anyone who services double hose regs.

Try  http://www.vintagescubasupply.com/

esg
Tazz - 10 Mar 2008 18:58 GMT
> Hi scuba experts,
>
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> Fitting a standard 22 mm fitting would be helpful. How are such valves
> called, and who may sell them?

http://www.clearpvcpipe.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=35

These are called swing check valves. I've seen them from 1/2" up.
We use this type where I work to keep water on the suction side of a
pump so we don't have to prime it every time we want to turn it on. We
use them on air lines too, to keep air from flowing back when the blower
is turned off. They work great for water, but air will slowly hiss by
the flapper.

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runcyclexcski@gmail.com - 10 Mar 2008 19:43 GMT
> runcyclexc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Hi scuba experts,
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> is turned off. They work great for water, but air will slowly hiss by
> the flapper.

These look like what I need. In addition, the site has all sorts of
useful pipes and fittings. And the flapper idea posted above is very
elegant, too!

Hey - another question then, if I may. The snorkel (this is what it's
called now) I am building uses plastic tubing. The plastic tubing
introduces a very distinct and annoying smell of plastic into the air
I am breathing. Is there a material/coating for tubing that is smell-
free?
Tazz - 11 Mar 2008 01:33 GMT
>> runcyclexc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Hi scuba experts,
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> I am breathing. Is there a material/coating for tubing that is smell-
> free?

Maybe soak it water mixed with baking soda? Sorry can't help you there.

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