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dechucka - 07 Mar 2008 04:36 GMT
I have had 2:-  1 in the early 1980s when I was having a great dive off
Heron Island on The Bommies and rather cheated on the 50bar back on the boat
rule by sucking nothing at the 3 m safety stop. When asked my finishing
pressure back on the boat a grunted "50" got me out of trouble but I
couldn't dry the witches hat. 2 doing the "deep dive" for my PADI advanced
cert my instructor blew a HP hose and suddenly didn't have any air. Good
buddy breathing training but it shitted my brother off no end who was above
us on the line and was suddenly enveloped in bubbles and didn't know what
the f.ck was going on.

Yes I have shared air on SS with a buddie who was low but these are the only
2 total out of  air situations I have experienced
Blah - 07 Mar 2008 10:53 GMT
> I have had 2:-  1 in the early 1980s when I was having a great dive off
> Heron Island on The Bommies and rather cheated on the 50bar back on the boat
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Yes I have shared air on SS with a buddie who was low but these are the only
> 2 total out of  air situations I have experienced

I've only had one of my own making - took some students in and it was
short dive so only ran tank down to 150 bar(from 200).
Next dive, thought it would be short again and used the same tank and
you know when your that 'confident' on your air consumption you can
ignore you guage and when you do look at it - it exactly where you
expect? - Well I expected it to be 50 and when I looked it was just
hitting zero and the reg getting a bit sucky! Luckily I had my pony and
didn't have to see a complete muppet by begging a student for air!

Won't happen again!
Lee Bell - 07 Mar 2008 11:54 GMT
I've had three that I can recall. One was accidental, the other two
intentional.

The accidental one's been posted before. I was 128 feet deep, at cork rock
in Blue Springs, by myself, when I ran out of gas. Three of us started down.
One diver had ear problems and the second one escorted him to the surface.
This was in the mid 60's, when I was much more bullet proof than I am these
days. At any rate, I had everything needed for cave exploration, a
galvanized 72 cubic foot tank, an unbalanced single hose regulator, light,
newly purchased depth gauge and a dive watch. I did not have a BCD, octopus,
SPG or any kind of redundant gas supply, including a buddy. Except for the
buddy, I was better equipped than most divers of that time.  At the bottom,
where the current flow is so strong that you can't penetrate further, I
pushed a rock into the flow. Instead of going down, it went up, then down,
then up . . .  I was fascinated. After a few minutes, I noticed it was
getting harder to breathe.  Back then, that's how we knew it was time to
surface.  Apparently, I missed the first clue, because about a breath and a
half later, my tank was as empty as I could get it.

Curtis can probably give a more accurate description, but my recollection is
that I was about 45 feet back from the entrance which was about 45 feet
below the surface. It's safe to say that I broke all rules, and perhaps a
few records, on my way out and up. I deserved to be bent like a pretzel.
Only the gods of diving know why I wasn't. I sure could have used a pony on
that dive.

The second and third times I ran out of gas, both while spearfishing in the
Dry Tortugas, were intentional. The second time, I had surfaced and, at some
time since surfacing, dropped my favorite lobster snare. I dropped to about
40 feet, to where I could see the bottom, and swam against the current,
looking for my snare. I knew I was low on gas, but it was my favorite snare.
Just as I spotted it, it got hard to breathe.  This time, I had a balanced
first stage.  Hard to breathe meant I was very low on air.  I considered
descending to get my snare, and then thought about it some more.  I watched
the snare disappear in the distance as I headed up.

The third time, I shot a prize winning Black Grouper early in the dive.  He
managed to wedge himself, and my spear, under a rock. I spent the rest of
the dive trying to get him out. Again, I knew I was running low on gas, but
by that time, my buddy had arrived.  I confirmed that he had enough for both
of us and made the conscious decision to run out rather than abandon the
fish.  I hate to kill fish I can't recover, particularly when they're likely
to win me money.  I did not get that fish, or my spear.  When I ran out, I
gave my buddy the OOA signal, expecting him to hand me a regulator.  You can
imagine my surprise when he continued to work on getting the fish out from
under the rock. I took his alternate, proving that you can, in fact, breathe
off someone's combination inflator/alternate, until he realized what was
going on and trade me his primary. He had misread the signal, thinking I was
low on gas rather than out.  I suppose he was mislead by the fact that,
until then, I'd always surfaced with more gas than he had, but we still did
a review of critical signals when we returned to the boat.  He's a PADI
Instructor, by the way. Sorry, but just had to include a cheap shot at PADI.

I rarely carry a pony, or a stage bottle.  I don't dive in caves any more,
but still do some relatively deep, modest decompression, and solo dives. I'm
much more likely to carry a pony and/or deco gas on those dives.

Lee
Scott - 07 Mar 2008 14:56 GMT
Never one.

No reason for it to ever happen if you pre-flight and follow the very simple
rules.

Closest I have come is a guy I love dearly took all his gear off and tossed
it to the bottom during a drift dive off Ft. Lauderdale, and another guy I
love dearly handed him the long hose while I went and got his gear off the
bottom.
dechucka - 07 Mar 2008 21:05 GMT
> Never one.
>
> No reason for it to ever happen if you pre-flight and follow the very
> simple
> rules.

yeah but sh.t happens

> Closest I have come is a guy I love dearly took all his gear off and
> tossed
> it to the bottom during a drift dive off Ft. Lauderdale, and another guy I
> love dearly handed him the long hose while I went and got his gear off the
> bottom.

the bloke was as mad as you?
Lee Bell - 07 Mar 2008 21:47 GMT
> No reason for it to ever happen if you pre-flight and follow the very
> simple
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> love dearly handed him the long hose while I went and got his gear off the
> bottom.

I think that qualifies as an OOA situation. By the way, as I recall, the one
that handed him the long hose also helped him stay down.

Lee
John Hanson - 07 Mar 2008 12:48 GMT
>I have had 2:-  1 in the early 1980s when I was having a great dive off
>Heron Island on The Bommies and rather cheated on the 50bar back on the boat
>rule by sucking nothing at the 3 m safety stop.

Are you saying you held your breath at the 10 foot stop?  If so,
doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of the safety stop?  You can't
hardly off gas if you're not breathing.
Lee Bell - 07 Mar 2008 14:14 GMT
>>I have had 2:-  1 in the early 1980s when I was having a great dive off
>>Heron Island on The Bommies and rather cheated on the 50bar back on the
>>boat
>>rule by sucking nothing at the 3 m safety stop.

> Are you saying you held your breath at the 10 foot stop?  If so,
> doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of the safety stop?  You can't
> hardly off gas if you're not breathing.

Sure you can. Gas transfer takes place as long as the partial pressure in
the tissues is greater than the partial pressure in the blood stream and as
long as the partial pressure in the blood stream is greater than the partial
pressure of the gas in the lungs.  It will eventually reach equilibrium, but
you may not be around by the time it does.

Lee
El Stroko Guapo - 07 Mar 2008 14:37 GMT
>>>I have had 2:-  1 in the early 1980s when I was having a great dive off
>>>Heron Island on The Bommies and rather cheated on the 50bar back on the
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Lee

True, but holding yer breath at 10' is really begging for a blown lung.

esg
Scott - 07 Mar 2008 14:48 GMT
> True, but holding yer breath at 10' is really begging for a blown lung.

*****
dechucka - 07 Mar 2008 21:08 GMT
>>>>I have had 2:-  1 in the early 1980s when I was having a great dive off
>>>>Heron Island on The Bommies and rather cheated on the 50bar back on the
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>> Lee
> True, but holding yer breath at 10' is really begging for a blown lung.

who held their breath.? No air swim to surface exhaling all the time
John Hanson - 07 Mar 2008 22:03 GMT
>>>>>I have had 2:-  1 in the early 1980s when I was having a great dive off
>>>>>Heron Island on The Bommies and rather cheated on the 50bar back on the
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>who held their breath.? No air swim to surface exhaling all the time

Then there was no safety stop.  Instead, you made a out of air
emergency ascent, which is quite different than what you said.
dechucka - 08 Mar 2008 01:23 GMT
>>>>>>I have had 2:-  1 in the early 1980s when I was having a great dive
>>>>>>off
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Then there was no safety stop.  Instead, you made a out of air
> emergency ascent, which is quite different than what you said.

I was doing a 3m ss and the tank went dry ( my fault my stupidity ). From
there I gently floated to the surface blowing little bubbles. Knowing Boyles
Law I knew I wasn't going to run out of air, not being completely stupid (
although getting into this situation suggests I am a least stupid) I knew
that the surface was only 3ms away. Yes I know that the last 3 ms are the
greatest pressure difference and the greatest risk of barotrauma
John Hanson - 08 Mar 2008 05:32 GMT
>>>>>>>I have had 2:-  1 in the early 1980s when I was having a great dive
>>>>>>>off
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>that the surface was only 3ms away. Yes I know that the last 3 ms are the
>greatest pressure difference and the greatest risk of barotrauma

Okay.  What I originally thought you meant was that you were out of
air so you did your safety stop by holding your breath and then
surfaced.  Makes sense now.
sweir toronto canada - 10 Mar 2008 01:26 GMT
Out of Air situation.  Took a TV crew from Discovery to look at
artificial reefs in Florida. We were, at the time using  mask mounted
computers that gave an audio read-out of depth, remaining pressure and
deco time.  Allows the cameramen to shoot video without having to
twist his wrist towards his mask (which wrecks the shot everytime you
look at a wrist mounted gauge).  Computer malfuncted, poor camera man
ran out of air at 60 feet. Brought him slowly to surface with my way-
too-long octopus in his hand.  But, as we went up more air became
available and he only had to use an octopus (actually supplied by my
budy)  to make his safety stop.

Not really a heart stopping event, but, gave up on audio units after
that.

> >>>>>I have had 2:-  1 in the early 1980s when I was having a great dive off
> >>>>>Heron Island on The Bommies and rather cheated on the 50bar back on the
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Then there was no safety stop.  Instead, you made a out of air
> emergency ascent, which is quite different than what you said.
Lee Bell - 07 Mar 2008 21:45 GMT
Lee Bell wrote:

> True, but holding yer breath at 10' is really begging for a blown lung.

Not if you stay at 10 feet.
dechucka - 07 Mar 2008 21:06 GMT
>>I have had 2:-  1 in the early 1980s when I was having a great dive off
>>Heron Island on The Bommies and rather cheated on the 50bar back on the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of the safety stop?  You can't
> hardly off gas if you're not breathing.

No I didn't and remember Boyles law
Rod - 07 Mar 2008 13:50 GMT
>I have had 2:-  1 in the early 1980s when I was having a great dive off
>Heron Island on The Bommies and rather cheated on the 50bar back on the boat
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Yes I have shared air on SS with a buddie who was low but these are the only
>2 total out of  air situations I have experienced

I have had 1 OOA. I was just back to the water a month after I
received my shinney new AOW card, and devices to dive the U-85 off
North Carolina. My first sign I was introuble was on the boat when my
pickup buddy said "I am going to spend as much time as possible down
there". Sure enough we decended, it was cold and dark with a ripping
current. I lost him in the first minute. I poked around in the rust
and junk looking for him and stuff and then remembered to check my SPG
it was at 750 psi, I located the line and started up. I got to 15 feet
took maybe two breaths and then nuthing I was dry. Did a slow ascent
and got back on the boat. Skipper asked what my air was and I told him
empty. He told me I would be sitting out the second dive, I agreed
with no problems. I also agreed to no refund. Had a mild altercation
with my buddy when he surfaced but didn't tell the skipper as I felt I
was also to blame. The long and the short of it is. It was a learning
experience and I king of feel there should be a higher number of dives
required before the AOW card is issued. Something like take the course
anytime after 5 dives, but don't issue the card before 20 or 30 logged
dives. I know in my case, because I had the AOW card I thought I was.
ben bradlee - 07 Mar 2008 14:06 GMT
> On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:36:09 +1100, "dechucka"

> ... I felt I
> was also to blame.

Drop the "also" and you have it right.
Lee Bell - 07 Mar 2008 14:17 GMT
>> On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:36:09 +1100, "dechucka"
>
>> ... I felt I
>> was also to blame.
>
> Drop the "also" and you have it right.

An unsupported  conclusion on your part. Buddy teams stay together only if
both members make a point of ensuring that they do.
ben bradlee - 07 Mar 2008 15:22 GMT
>>> On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:36:09 +1100, "dechucka"
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> An unsupported  conclusion on your part. Buddy teams stay together only if
> both members make a point of ensuring that they do.

I swear you get dumber every day.  A diver is always responsible for his own
air.
Lee Bell - 07 Mar 2008 21:42 GMT
>>>> ... I felt I
>>>> was also to blame.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I swear you get dumber every day.  A diver is always responsible for his
> own air.

One of us certainly gets dumber every day. For the life of me, I can't
figure out how you manage it.

The "also to blame" related to the buddy separation.

Lee
Rod - 08 Mar 2008 13:46 GMT
>> On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:36:09 +1100, "dechucka"
>
>> ... I felt I
>> was also to blame.
>
>Drop the "also" and you have it right.

I don't remember asking your opinion.
dazed and confuzzed - 08 Mar 2008 14:47 GMT
>>>On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:36:09 +1100, "dechucka"
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> I don't remember asking your opinion.

When you posted it here, you were asking for comments.

It's the nature of Usenet.

Deal with it.

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Rod - 08 Mar 2008 15:55 GMT
>>>>On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:36:09 +1100, "dechucka"
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Deal with it.

I have no problem with comments, opinions like a.s hole generally
smell bad and unfortunatly everyone seems to have both.  In the
context of what I typed I was taking the blame I was also blaming my
lack of experience. Since then I have refused to dive with some pick
up, boat paired, buddies. In thoses cases I dive alone. I manage my
dive and air and have never had another OOA.
El Stroko Guapo - 07 Mar 2008 14:35 GMT
> I have had 2:-  1 in the early 1980s when I was having a great dive off
> Heron Island on The Bommies and rather cheated on the 50bar back on the boat
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Yes I have shared air on SS with a buddie who was low but these are the only
> 2 total out of  air situations I have experienced

Blowing a HP hose is spectacular, but not very dangerous. The gas
actually escapes pretty slowly.

esg
Scott - 07 Mar 2008 15:02 GMT
> Blowing a HP hose is spectacular, but not very dangerous. The gas
> actually escapes pretty slowly.

Bingo.

I took an AL80 down and opened the valve; it takes about 4 to 5 minutes
(someone will quote the original post right away to make me out a liar) to
empty. And is *really* loud. I have toyed with the idea of making a simple
block that I can connect to a bottle to see how long it takes a burst disk
failure to vent at depth. Had several go off in the shop, always when
fighting to stay awake; the AL40 was the fun one, it spun like a top and
knocked all kinds of stuff over.

Even IP decreases with ascent, allowing a breath or two, there is gas in
your BC....

What kills most divers is ego and panic. Half are dead before they get in
the water.
Al Wells - 07 Mar 2008 15:15 GMT
> I took an AL80 down and opened the valve; it takes about 4 to 5 minutes
> (someone will quote the original post right away to make me out a liar) to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> fighting to stay awake; the AL40 was the fun one, it spun like a top and
> knocked all kinds of stuff over.

http://tinyurl.com/3e2wr9
Scott - 07 Mar 2008 15:42 GMT
> > I took an AL80 down and opened the valve; it takes about 4 to 5 minutes
> > (someone will quote the original post right away to make me out a liar) to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3e2wr9

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El Stroko Guapo - 07 Mar 2008 18:11 GMT
>>Blowing a HP hose is spectacular, but not very dangerous. The gas
>>actually escapes pretty slowly.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> fighting to stay awake; the AL40 was the fun one, it spun like a top and
> knocked all kinds of stuff over.

I've only seen one burst disk go, and that was in a fill station. I'll
bet it's really exciting underwater, but I've never even heard of one
going under water. I'd guess it's about the same as an open valve, though.

> Even IP decreases with ascent, allowing a breath or two, there is gas in
> your BC....
>
> What kills most divers is ego and panic. Half are dead before they get in
> the water.

That's true. A lot of "emergencies" are just annoyances to a diver that
keeps his cool and thinks through the situation.

esg
Scott - 07 Mar 2008 20:35 GMT
> > What kills most divers is ego and panic. Half are dead before they get in
> > the water.

> That's true. A lot of "emergencies" are just annoyances to a diver that
> keeps his cool and thinks through the situation.

If there is a single thing you and I have in common, it is that diving is no
big deal.

Each dive is not an opportunity to cheat death, in fact quite the opposite.

I got off into DIR, sh.t, I even moved and went to work for the biggest DIR
pimp on earth.

I also rejected the marketing scheme.

I still, and always will, dive that configuration, no reason not to, and it
makes clear sense.

If you aint having fun, get out of the water.
Al Wells - 07 Mar 2008 21:17 GMT
> I got off into DIR, sh.t, I even moved and went to work for the biggest DIR
> pimp on earth.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I still, and always will, dive that configuration, no reason not to, and it
> makes clear sense.

It doesn't matter where it came from if it makes sense.
Grumman-581 - 08 Mar 2008 08:52 GMT
> Each dive is not an opportunity to cheat death, in fact quite the
> opposite.

I guess it depends upon your point of view... I figure that just waking up
each day is cheating Death... In every action throughout your life, you
are either cheating Death or not... If not, then "game over, no replay"...

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Joe English - 08 Mar 2008 13:17 GMT
>>Each dive is not an opportunity to cheat death, in fact quite the
>>opposite.
>
> I guess it depends upon your point of view... I figure that just waking up
> each day is cheating Death... In every action throughout your life, you
> are either cheating Death or not... If not, then "game over, no replay"...

my once dive partner died Thursday morning (actually in his sleep) age
51 and in decent health.
Scott - 08 Mar 2008 15:45 GMT
> >>Each dive is not an opportunity to cheat death, in fact quite the
> >>opposite.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> my once dive partner died Thursday morning (actually in his sleep) age
> 51 and in decent health.

A good friend of ours was working in his shop when his wife came out, and
dropped dead of a aneurysm.

Just like a puppet with the strings cut. Smiling one second, then dead
before she hit the floor.

He aint taking it all that well is the real bummer.
Grumman-581 - 09 Mar 2008 00:50 GMT
> my once dive partner died Thursday morning (actually in his sleep) age 51
> and in decent health.

Something like, "Well, other than the fact that he's dead, he's in great
shape"?

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chilly - 08 Mar 2008 06:56 GMT
> > knocked all kinds of stuff over.
>
> I've only seen one burst disk go, and that was in a fill station. I'll
> bet it's really exciting underwater, but I've never even heard of one
> going under water. I'd guess it's about the same as an open valve, though.

I've been on the boat when one went.  It is very exciting.  Everyone was
running for cover or planning to bail into the water.  It was like a rocket
on the 4th of July.  Which way to jump, who knew?  Could have hit anyone
anywhere.  Skittered all over the place, quite amazing no one was hurt.
Scary and of course, we all laughed our a.ses off once it was controlled.

> > Even IP decreases with ascent, allowing a breath or two, there is gas in
> > your BC....
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> That's true. A lot of "emergencies" are just annoyances to a diver that
> keeps his cool and thinks through the situation.

Yup.
Al Wells - 07 Mar 2008 15:10 GMT
> Blowing a HP hose is spectacular, but not very dangerous. The gas
> actually escapes pretty slowly.

In tests at Eagle's Nest in 2006 by Curt Bowen, it took 22 minutes to
empty an aluminum 80 with a failed HP hose, regardless of depth.
dechucka - 07 Mar 2008 21:12 GMT
>> I have had 2:-  1 in the early 1980s when I was having a great dive off
>> Heron Island on The Bommies and rather cheated on the 50bar back on the
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Blowing a HP hose is spectacular, but not very dangerous. The gas actually
> escapes pretty slowly.

It looked spectacular and worried my Instructor at the time
-hh - 08 Mar 2008 12:34 GMT
> "El Stroko Guapo" <omg...@earthlink.net> wrote"
> > Blowing a HP hose is spectacular, but not very dangerous. The gas actually
> > escapes pretty slowly.
>
> It looked spectacular and worried my Instructor at the time

In reading the OP, it sounds like this might have happened long enough
ago that it could have been a pre-1982 regulator.  If so, that would
have been a significantly different situation than with today's gear.

FWIW, I've had two low-no air situations.

The first happened before I was certified, during a final harassment
training session.  The instructor had typically been using 2 Students
for each set of gear and I was on 2nd shift, so when it was my turn to
go, I started the pool dive with perhaps only 1000psi.  The rules were
"stay on the bottom until you were told you could surface", but after
2-3 minutes of really sucking hard to get that last bit out, I had to
surface.  It was a diving pool, so I was perhaps only 20ft deep and
had plenty of warning that it was coming.

The second happened nine years ago now, while on an OW dive where I
was doing semi-solo UW photography on Cayman Brac.  I actually had a
pony with me, but its 2nd stage was starting to have a freeflow
problem that morning, so for the 2nd dive, I was carrying it ~2/3rds
empty and had thus, written if off my contingency planning.  The dive
site was a new one for me and it had a bit of odd topology which
mucked with natural navigation even before adding in an erratic
current that mucked things up more.  A bit past the halfway point on
our return, a nice turtle showed up and so I naturally swam off
solo ..downcurrent ... after him.  I spent 5-10 minutes with him,
drifting downcurrent, before he decided to leave downcurrent.  So I
had to figure out where I was and where the boat was; I had over
1000psi still, so no hurry, no worries.  Got back into the right
neighborhood by traversing across the current (of course, it had
picked up) and I saw *A* boat on *A* mooring nearby, but I knew that
there had been another boat near us and so concluded that I must have
drifted a full mooring down-current.  So I turned upcurrent and
descended back to the bottom at 60fsw to get out of as much of it as I
could and started humping it to where I thought the diveboat should
be, studiously watching my supply dwindle.  I finally saw a diver in
midwater ahead, ascending a mooring line, so I left the bottom with
~150psi and ascended fast enough for my computer to mildly complain
(60ft/min instead of 30), did a ~1min
"grand swing" from the bow to the stern swimming safety stop as
breathing became very hard, then surfaced & climbed aboard with zero.

And naturally, this turned out to be the wrong diveboat.

The one that I had saw but swam past was the right one, so I had
burned through my air swimming an entire mooring's distance up-
current, slogging my pony and UW camera to make sure that I wasn't
anywhere close to streamlined.  And while it worked out without real
incident, the mistake I made was to push it so far in accepting a
higher DCS risk instead of possibly being lost at sea behind the
boat.  This risk trade was a mistake because being {bent and lost}
would have been worse than simply being lost.

-hh
Dillon Pyron - 09 Mar 2008 23:08 GMT
[Default] Thus spake "dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com>:

>I have had 2:-  1 in the early 1980s when I was having a great dive off
>Heron Island on The Bommies and rather cheated on the 50bar back on the boat
>rule by sucking nothing at the 3 m safety stop. When asked my finishing
>pressure back on the boat a grunted "50" got me out of trouble but I
>couldn't dry the witches hat. 2 doing the "deep dive" for my PADI advanced
>cert my instructor blew a HP hose and suddenly didn't have any air.

That one I'm sceptical about.  HP but very low flow.

>Good
>buddy breathing training but it shitted my brother off no end who was above
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Yes I have shared air on SS with a buddie who was low but these are the only
>2 total out of  air situations I have experienced

Carol's backup blew off at the first stage (seems Dacor had recalled
the reg for faulty hoses, but neglected to send us the letter until
about a month after we got home).  She said she heard a sudden bang
and her head got pushed forward.  Everybody in the area heard it. When
I looked, her head was blanketed with bubbles.  I was about 50-60 feet
away and maybe 20 feet deeper (SOBs).  I swam up to her, handed her
mine and started to turn off her air.  She said she didn't know what
was going on, except that every time she took a breath her gauge went
to zero.  Slow, safe ascent, stopped at 15 feet.  They had a hang
tank, so she used that.  She was pissed that she had to orally inflate
her BC.

The hose had maybe two or three strips of nylon holding it on.  We
were able to cap off the port and make the second dive, although she
was a little more "clingy".  Went to a little shop near King Kam and
he replaced the hose.  Looked at and said "sh.t.  This would have been
bad if it had blown out underwater."
dechucka - 09 Mar 2008 23:14 GMT
> [Default] Thus spake "dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com>:
>
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>
> That one I'm sceptical about.  HP but very low flow.

I have to agree now after reading other peoples posts on the matter, however
if I remember the hose stopped flapping around and bubbling before we did a
SS and we certainly treated it as an out of air and shared air ro the
surface
Dillon Pyron - 10 Mar 2008 05:26 GMT
[Default] Thus spake "dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com>:

>> [Default] Thus spake "dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com>:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>SS and we certainly treated it as an out of air and shared air ro the
>surface

Well, when you sh.t a brick, it becomes an "emergency", regardless of
reality.  I'd rather say "damn, let's get out of here carefully" then
to say "no problem", followed shortly thereafter by "oh sh.t, I'm
going to die".  When you do the latter, the last statement frequently
comes true.
dechucka - 10 Mar 2008 05:43 GMT
> [Default] Thus spake "dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com>:
>
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> going to die".  When you do the latter, the last statement frequently
> comes true.

Certainly did not sh.t a brick, analysed the situation, air pissing out of
buddy's tank. Decided the best option was to ascend. Did this slowly and
calmly on the anchor line. Did our 3 me safety stop. Than ascended slowly to
the surface. As mentioned earlier the one that slightly sh.t a brick was my
brother who was on the line above us and was enveloped in bubbles. But he
waited till we started to ascend followed us up and we waited with him while
he completed his sis.
 
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