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Lee Bell - 07 Mar 2008 02:16 GMT JERUSALEM (March 6) - A gunman entered the library of a rabbinical seminary and opened fire on a crowded nighttime study session Thursday, killing eight people and wounding nine before he was slain, police and rescue workers said.
Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip praised the operation in a statement, and thousands of Palestinians took to the streets of Gaza to celebrate.
All it would have taken to reduce the toll was one armed citizen.
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/8-die-in-shooting-at-jerusalem-seminary/20080306143 909990001
John Kulp - 07 Mar 2008 03:21 GMT >JERUSALEM (March 6) - A gunman entered the library of a rabbinical seminary >and opened fire on a crowded nighttime study session Thursday, killing eight [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >http://news.aol.com/story/_a/8-die-in-shooting-at-jerusalem-seminary/20080306143 909990001 They've got more armed citizens in Israel than you could begin to count, so there goes that cute theory.
Lee Bell - 07 Mar 2008 09:29 GMT >>JERUSALEM (March 6) - A gunman entered the library of a rabbinical >>seminary [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > They've got more armed citizens in Israel than you could begin to > count, so there goes that cute theory. One person entered the seminary and killed 8 and wounded 9 before anyone stopped him. How many of those armed citizens do you suppose were present in that seminary? My guess is that it's another one of those gun free zones we keep reading about deaths in.
Lee
Greg Mossman - 09 Mar 2008 02:42 GMT > One person entered the seminary and killed 8 and wounded 9 before anyone > stopped him. How many of those armed citizens do you suppose were present in > that seminary? My guess is that it's another one of those gun free zones we > keep reading about deaths in. Once again you display your utter lack of common sense and intelligence.
A rabbinical seminary is like a priest seminary or a monastery. By virtue of their faith, most priest or monk candidates probably eschew firearms like they eschew sex. It's not as if they need to declare it a "gun free" area because no one would even consider the idea of carrying a gun to class while they're studying religion. It's about the absolute nuttiest statement I've heard you make to date and that's saying a lot.
Rod - 07 Mar 2008 03:59 GMT >JERUSALEM (March 6) - A gunman entered the library of a rabbinical seminary >and opened fire on a crowded nighttime study session Thursday, killing eight [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >http://news.aol.com/story/_a/8-die-in-shooting-at-jerusalem-seminary/20080306143 909990001 Actually I heard on the news today the Rabbinical students were armed and it was them that killed the gunmen
John Kulp - 07 Mar 2008 04:08 GMT >>JERUSALEM (March 6) - A gunman entered the library of a rabbinical seminary >>and opened fire on a crowded nighttime study session Thursday, killing eight [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Actually I heard on the news today the Rabbinical students were armed >and it was them that killed the gunmen Could well be. I've been there twice and the place is armed camp, both outwardly and concealed.
dechucka - 07 Mar 2008 04:43 GMT > JERUSALEM (March 6) - A gunman entered the library of a rabbinical > seminary and opened fire on a crowded nighttime study session Thursday, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > All it would have taken to reduce the toll was one armed citizen. they were armed. Seems it was like the shootout at the OK Corral. Hope none of those killed were by friendly fire.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 07 Mar 2008 06:14 GMT >> JERUSALEM (March 6) - A gunman entered the library of a rabbinical >> seminary and opened fire on a crowded nighttime study session Thursday, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they were armed. Seems it was like the shootout at the OK Corral. Hope > none of those killed were by friendly fire. What, as opposed to waiting around and seeing how many the guy could kill while unopposed?
Luckily, the Israelis don't suffer your disease.
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dechucka - 07 Mar 2008 07:15 GMT >>> JERUSALEM (March 6) - A gunman entered the library of a rabbinical >>> seminary and opened fire on a crowded nighttime study session Thursday, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > What, as opposed to waiting around and seeing how many the guy could kill > while unopposed? hopefully there was no friendly fire deaths
> Luckily, the Israelis don't suffer your disease. or the American gun diseases
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 07 Mar 2008 14:42 GMT >>>> JERUSALEM (March 6) - A gunman entered the library of a rabbinical >>>> seminary and opened fire on a crowded nighttime study session Thursday, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > hopefully there was no friendly fire deaths More mumbling.
>> Luckily, the Israelis don't suffer your disease. > > or the American gun diseases Glad you never make AA remarks.
Just another pork of the pie.
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dechucka - 07 Mar 2008 20:57 GMT >>>>> JERUSALEM (March 6) - A gunman entered the library of a rabbinical >>>>> seminary and opened fire on a crowded nighttime study session [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > More mumbling. friendly fire deaths are OK if you have your gun? Look at US casualties in Nam and the ME ( and British deaths) before you mumble about friendly fire
Greg Mossman - 07 Mar 2008 08:39 GMT On Mar 6, 10:14 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> >> JERUSALEM (March 6) - A gunman entered the library of a rabbinical > >> seminary and opened fire on a crowded nighttime study session Thursday, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Luckily, the Israelis don't suffer your disease. It was a soldier that killed the guy. We have armed soldiers in our country too, as well as armed police. The difference is that in Israel, apart from terrorist acts, they don't have much of a problem with violent crime. Too bad they can't disarm the Palestinians. Maybe that will change a bit now that there's one less "death merchant" living free.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 07 Mar 2008 10:43 GMT On Mar 6, 10:14 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> "dechucka" <dechu...@vomithotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Luckily, the Israelis don't suffer your disease. It was a soldier that killed the guy. We have armed soldiers in our country too, as well as armed police.
And if soldiers roamed the streets, blasting criminals, you'd squeal louder then than you do now.
Of course, it would be fine by me.
The difference is that in Israel, apart from terrorist acts, they don't have much of a problem with violent crime.
So, you're saying that with a heavily armed populace, military, and police, crime is less of a problem.
And that everybody having a gun is not the problem.
Glad you're finally on board.
Too bad they can't disarm the Palestinians.
You mean, like you want to disarm criminals (after the law abiding) here?
Wow.
It's just epiphany after epiphany for you today.
Maybe that will change a bit now that there's one less "death merchant" living free.
Or not.
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Lee Bell - 07 Mar 2008 11:57 GMT >> >> Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip praised the operation in a >> >> statement, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > they were armed. Seems it was like the shootout at the OK Corral. Hope >> > none of those killed were by friendly fire. Me too. If they were armed, I missed that in the article. Seems they need more practice. Even you could probably do better than letting a single gunman kill 8 and injure 9 before returning fire effectively.
Lee
Greg Mossman - 09 Mar 2008 02:51 GMT On Mar 7, 2:43 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> And if soldiers roamed the streets, blasting criminals, you'd squeal > louder then than you do now. Cite?
I travel a bit and plenty of the countries I travel to have soldiers roaming the streets, police armed with automatic rifles, etc. I agree that we do need more security in the U.S., but where I disagree is who should provide the security. You want every Joe Schmoe, drunk, feeble, insane, whatever, to be armed to the teeth. Me, I'd rather let the police and soldiers do the job they're trained to do and keep the amateurs out of it.
> Of course, it would be fine by me. Then we agree on something for a change. Our military is bloated, being wasted in shitholes like Iraq because we need to "use them or lose them". I'd much rather soldiers keep us safe at home rather than try to keep Iraqis safe. Let the Iraqis handle their own problems. We have enough of our own, thank you.
> So, you're saying that with a heavily armed populace, military, and > police, crime is less of a problem. No, I'm saying that crime is less of a problem. The society keeps heavily armed because the country is surrounded on all sides by terrorists with the stated purpose of killing Jews in Israel. On the other hand, we're surrounded by friendly Canadians and Mexicans who merely want to visit Florida in the winter or pick our strawberries. Why do you fear snowbirds and strawberry pickers so much you need to be armed?
> And that everybody having a gun is not the problem. The armed Israelis all have military experience. The average Dick and Harry with a gun out here has no more training than plinking at beer cans and shooting their guns in the air on New Year's Eve.
> Glad you're finally on board. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It's just epiphany after epiphany for you today. If the entire world were disarmed, it would be a more peaceful place. If that's an epiphany, maybe you need one.
Dennis (Icarus) - 09 Mar 2008 05:31 GMT <snip>
>> You mean, like you want to disarm criminals (after the law abiding) >> here? >> >> Wow. >> >> It's just epiphany after epiphany for you today.
>If the entire world were disarmed, it would be a more peaceful place. >If that's an epiphany, maybe you need one. No, it wouldn't The violence would just take different forms.
Dennis
Greg Mossman - 09 Mar 2008 07:34 GMT On Mar 8, 8:31 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote:
> <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > No, it wouldn't The violence would just take different forms. Yeah, everyone would yell at each other instead. Maybe even a slap on the cheek. Ouch.
Anyway, got to cut this one short. Aggressor bus is almost here. Back in a week.
Dennis (Icarus) - 09 Mar 2008 14:50 GMT >"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message news:41c887c7-e9df-4f05-9704-109d3e91dd8d@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>On Mar 8, 8:31 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Yeah, everyone would yell at each other instead. Maybe even a slap on >the cheek. Ouch. Uhm....wrong. Folks have been killed by manual strangulation, being beaten to death, without any weapons involved other than hands and feet. So if you truly wanted to "disarm" the world....
>Anyway, got to cut this one short. Aggressor bus is almost here. >Back in a week. have fun.
Dennis
Curtis - 09 Mar 2008 15:55 GMT >>Yeah, everyone would yell at each other instead. Maybe even a slap on >>the cheek. Ouch.
> Uhm....wrong. Folks have been killed by manual strangulation, being beaten > to death, without any weapons involved other than hands and feet. > So if you truly wanted to "disarm" the world.... Must have been some moron that made light of a slap on the cheek.
janusz_w@hotmail.com - 09 Mar 2008 20:04 GMT > >>Yeah, everyone would yell at each other instead. Maybe even a slap on > >>the cheek. Ouch. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Must have been some moron that made light of a slap on the cheek. Do you mean the guy who said something about turning the other cheek?
Janusz
Dennis (Icarus) - 10 Mar 2008 03:59 GMT > >>Yeah, everyone would yell at each other instead. Maybe even a slap on > >>the cheek. Ouch. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Must have been some moron that made light of a slap on the cheek. Nah, just someone who's misguided.
Dennis
Curtis - 10 Mar 2008 04:39 GMT >> Must have been some moron <snip>
> Nah, just someone who's misguided. and yet another example of conservative vs liberal, in terminology....... ;-)
Curtis
Dennis (Icarus) - 10 Mar 2008 13:12 GMT > >> Must have been some moron <snip> > > > Nah, just someone who's misguided. > > and yet another example of conservative vs liberal, in > terminology....... ;-) Maybe he'd rethink his positions on "slaps" if you demonstrated how you used (perhaps still do?) slap bricks about.
Dennis
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Greg Mossman - 16 Mar 2008 20:22 GMT On Mar 10, 6:18 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote:
> > "Dennis (Icarus)" wrote > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Maybe he'd rethink his positions on "slaps" if you demonstrated how you used > (perhaps still do?) slap bricks about. Ya think Curtis can break a brick with an open-hand slap? That I doubt. On the other hand, I bet he could break bricks with his head.
Scott - 09 Mar 2008 14:12 GMT > No, it wouldn't The violence would just take different forms. Only an idiot would think it even possible to "disarm the entire world", let alone propose such a complete line of vapid bullshit as a foundation for anything.
People have been armed and killing each other since the first primate picked up a rock a caved a lawyers skull in with it.
Dennis (Icarus) - 09 Mar 2008 15:02 GMT > > No, it wouldn't The violence would just take different forms. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > People have been armed and killing each other since the first primate picked > up a rock a caved a lawyers skull in with it. And before that, they just used their hands.
I guess there wouldn;t be any more rocks lying about. Nor anything else that might cause injury. Five day waitng period and background check when trying to buy rope, chain, or even an extension cord?
Dennis
Scott - 09 Mar 2008 15:16 GMT > And before that, they just used their hands. > > I guess there wouldn;t be any more rocks lying about. > Nor anything else that might cause injury. > Five day waitng period and background check when trying to buy rope, chain, > or even an extension cord? Or box knives, kitchen knives with points, airplane tickets...
Then We would be a real socialism, more like the Chinese...
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janusz_w@hotmail.com - 09 Mar 2008 20:09 GMT > > No, it wouldn't The violence would just take different forms. > > Only an idiot would think Quite interesting oxymoron. FYI idiots don't think and you should know it.
> it even possible to "disarm the entire world", let > alone propose such a complete line of vapid bullshit as a foundation for > anything. > > People have been armed and killing each other since the first primate picked > up a rock a caved a lawyers skull in with it. Scotty, I know your obsession about lawyer, but believe me that when first ape picked up a rock there were no lawyers. Janusz
Joe English - 09 Mar 2008 20:40 GMT >>>No, it wouldn't The violence would just take different forms. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > first ape picked up a rock there were no lawyers. > Janusz The good ole days
janusz_w@hotmail.com - 10 Mar 2008 22:08 GMT > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > The good ole days Do you miss them? You can always join some apes in Africa.
Janusz
Joe English - 12 Mar 2008 02:44 GMT >>janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Janusz I try to stay away from your type - but thanks for playing
dechucka - 12 Mar 2008 02:49 GMT >>>janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > I try to stay away from your type - but thanks for playing and winning typo fixed
Joe English - 13 Mar 2008 13:13 GMT >>>>janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > typo fixed no typo just another third world country delusion it has now been fixed properly
janusz_w@hotmail.com - 13 Mar 2008 13:51 GMT > >>janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > no typo just another third world country delusion it has now been fixed > properly As you wish. Thanks for playing and losing, Joe
Janusz
Joe English - 13 Mar 2008 22:51 GMT >>>>janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Janusz Your comprehension could use some help - try to keep up
janusz_w@hotmail.com - 14 Mar 2008 13:26 GMT > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Your comprehension could use some help - try to keep up O.K. I w i l l w r i t e i t v e r y s l o w l y
Y o u p l a y e d a n d y o u l o s t
Janusz
Joe English - 14 Mar 2008 23:42 GMT >>janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Janusz Nice try - here in America just because you say it often enough doesn't make it right. You have been exposed here too many times to be taken seriously.
Scott - 15 Mar 2008 01:39 GMT > Nice try - here in America just because you say it often enough doesn't > make it right. You have been exposed here too many times to be taken > seriously. Oh, Anus is taken seriously here.
As a serious numbnut.
janusz_w@hotmail.com - 15 Mar 2008 08:56 GMT > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > Nice try - here in America just because you say it often enough doesn't > make it right. You are too stubborn/stupid to accept it? Give up your hope -Y o u p l a y e d a n d y o u l o s t.
Janusz
Joe English - 15 Mar 2008 12:57 GMT >>janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Janusz Maybe you should try the Poish version of Are you Smarter than I 5th Grader. They only ask questions to 2nd Grade
janusz_w@hotmail.com - 15 Mar 2008 17:32 GMT > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > Maybe you should try the Poish version of Are you Smarter than I 5th > Grader. They only ask questions to 2nd Grade No fun. Too many winners. BTW are you 5th grader?
Janusz
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 15 Mar 2008 10:42 GMT >> Y o u p l a y e d a n d y o u l o s t >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > make it right. You have been exposed here too many times to be taken > seriously. <snicker>
"You have been exposed here too many times to be taken seriously."
The perfect jAnus description, Big Joe.
Remember when Futile John was impressed that jAnus was setting us all straight? :-)
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Joe English - 15 Mar 2008 12:58 GMT >>> Y o u p l a y e d a n d y o u l o s t >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Remember when Futile John was impressed that jAnus was setting us all > straight? :-) in fact I remember all too well
JOF - 15 Mar 2008 14:34 GMT > >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > in fact I remember all too well- It was an interesting sidetrack from our ongoing exercise in commonsense vs monomania, wasn't it? Of course commonsense was as usual drowned out by the baying of the Metoos. BTW. It just occurred to me where I got that Metoo name from - Mini-Me. Have you seen that movie?
JF
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 15 Mar 2008 16:52 GMT On Mar 15, 7:58 am, Joe English <joe2aengl...@wisperhome.com> wrote:
> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > in fact I remember all too well- It was an interesting sidetrack from our ongoing exercise in commonsense vs monomania, wasn't it? Of course commonsense was as usual drowned out by the baying of the Metoos. BTW. It just occurred to me where I got that Metoo name from - Mini-Me. Have you seen that movie?
JF
No, but I remember where "Futile" comes from.
It's the sum of your coherence and credibility here.
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Scott - 15 Mar 2008 17:05 GMT > No, but I remember where "Futile" comes from.
> It's the sum of your coherence and credibility here. There you go being generous again.
janusz_w@hotmail.com - 15 Mar 2008 17:39 GMT > > No, but I remember where "Futile" comes from. > > It's the sum of your coherence and credibility here. > > There you go being generous again. Check your nose. It's getting more brown every post.
Janusz
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 15 Mar 2008 20:50 GMT >> No, but I remember where "Futile" comes from. > >> It's the sum of your coherence and credibility here. > > There you go being generous again. \ It's just my nature.
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janusz_w@hotmail.com - 15 Mar 2008 17:36 GMT > > >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > It was an interesting sidetrack from our ongoing exercise in > commonsense vs monomania, wasn't it? not only monomania, but also xenophobia, scolinophobia etc. ;-)))
Janusz
> Of course commonsense was as > usual drowned out by the baying of the Metoos. BTW. It just occurred > to me where I got that Metoo name from - Mini-Me. Have you seen that > movie? > > JF JOF - 15 Mar 2008 21:11 GMT On Mar 15, 12:36 pm, "janus...@hotmail.com" <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > not only monomania, but also xenophobia, scolinophobia etc. ;-))) They aren't afraid of school. They're armed, remember? There are definite signs of xenophobia though. A few of them seem particularly conscious of the French for some reason.
JF
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 15 Mar 2008 21:57 GMT On Mar 15, 12:36 pm, "janus...@hotmail.com" <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 Mar, 14:34, JOF <jofran...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > not only monomania, but also xenophobia, scolinophobia etc. ;-))) They aren't afraid of school. They're armed, remember? There are definite signs of xenophobia though. A few of them seem particularly conscious of the French for some reason.
That's pretty bold, passing between one guy who spends 100% of his posting history here criticizing another country, and a guy who spends 80% or more doing the same thing.
Must be the usual different standards for Canadians.
JF
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JOF - 15 Mar 2008 23:34 GMT On Mar 15, 4:57 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> On Mar 15, 12:36 pm, "janus...@hotmail.com" <janus...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > posting history here criticizing another country, and a guy who spends 80% > or more doing the same thing. Nice dodge on the accuracy of the point though.
> Must be the usual different standards for Canadians. Obfuscation R us, eh?
JF
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 19 Mar 2008 11:27 GMT On Mar 15, 4:57 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> "JOF" <jofran...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > posting history here criticizing another country, and a guy who spends 80% > or more doing the same thing. Nice dodge on the accuracy of the point though.
I've never seen any of your points be accurate.
But I don't follow conversations the jAnus is in, I was just commenting on -your- use of xenophobia.
Which would make you the obfuscator, since you've yet to respond to the point.
> Must be the usual different standards for Canadians. Obfuscation R us, eh?
Repeatedly documented in detail.
It's just the best you can do.
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janusz_w@hotmail.com - 19 Mar 2008 20:52 GMT On 19 Mar, 11:27, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> On Mar 15, 4:57 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > But I don't follow conversations the jAnus is in, Frightened? Shiting your pants?
Janusz
> I was just commenting > on -your- use of xenophobia. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com janusz_w@hotmail.com - 15 Mar 2008 23:15 GMT > On Mar 15, 12:36 pm, "janus...@hotmail.com" <janus...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > They aren't afraid of school. They're armed, remember? Yes, they're armed, and it gives them some sense of "security". Regarding scolinophobia they showed the most significant symptoms during their school years, when they were not armed and it is still somewhere in their subconsciousness that's why they're looking for any news about school shootings. Some of them were even so afraid of schools that they joined Marine Corps at the age of 17. BTW nothing other then scolinophobia can explain their lack of basic education and elementary reading skills.
>There are > definite signs of xenophobia though. A few of them seem particularly > conscious of the French for some reason. Just curious how many of Metoos can show France on a map or distinguish French language from let's say Romanian.
Janusz
JOF - 15 Mar 2008 23:36 GMT On Mar 15, 6:15 pm, "janus...@hotmail.com" <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 15, 12:36 pm, "janus...@hotmail.com" <janus...@hotmail.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Just curious how many of Metoos can show France on a map or > distinguish French language from let's say Romanian. As long as there's a oui or non in it they'll figger they got it nailed. What else is there to know?
JF
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 17 Mar 2008 18:57 GMT On Mar 15, 6:15 pm, "janus...@hotmail.com" <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 Mar, 21:11, JOF <jofran...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > Just curious how many of Metoos can show France on a map or > distinguish French language from let's say Romanian. As long as there's a oui or non in it they'll figger they got it nailed. What else is there to know?
Most Americans can find France on the map- many of our servicemen have died there.
Who cares about various languages and dialects?
We speak English, the most important language in the world, and don't need to speak any other.
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JOF - 17 Mar 2008 21:20 GMT On Mar 17, 1:57 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> On Mar 15, 6:15 pm, "janus...@hotmail.com" <janus...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > Most Americans can find France on the map- many of our servicemen have > died there. Don't get Scott started again. We know that many of your countrymen have died, and are dying as we speak, all over the world in military actions. It's one of the things that could earn huge respect for Americans internationally, if not for some of you taking too much delight in demeaning those who might otherwise be inclined to show gratitude. It's that offensive posture again.
> Who cares about various languages and dialects? All the folks who speak them.
> We speak English, the most important language in the world, and don't > need to speak any other. At least until some Asian language comes to the top of the heap in international business etc. All good things must end. At the moment about twice as many folks speak Mandarin as speak English as their first language, though it's not considered a major player in international business, yet. Spanish has been in the running but won't likely beat out whatever language comes out of Asia.
But you're probably right. As long as you stay sheltered in your shrinking stronghold of linguistic ignorance you'll need nothing but English in it's ever-changing forms.
JF
Greg Mossman - 18 Mar 2008 04:47 GMT > Don't get Scott started again. We know that many of your countrymen > have died, and are dying as we speak, all over the world in military > actions. It's one of the things that could earn huge respect for > Americans internationally, if not for some of you taking too much > delight in demeaning those who might otherwise be inclined to show > gratitude. It's that offensive posture again. Speaking of which, and to go on topic for a change, I just came from diving at one of those places where lots of my countrymen died in a military action.
Not knowing much about the Battle of Peleliu, but wanting to get off the boat, I gave up one dive on Peleliu's West Wall in favor of a land tour. We were picked up at the dock by the famous Tangie and given a road tour of the island with stops at the memorial at Orange Beach, the museum, and a drive around the airfield, but we didn't have time to make it to Bloody Nose Ridge.
The Battle seemed similar to the Iraq War: a promise that the mission would be accomplished by a easy "3 day" land invasion following a bombing campaign that flattened the entire island. Instead, based on a mistake regarding the tide tables, and the lack of intel on the myriad tunnel complexes that the Japanese hid inside as they waited out the bombing, the poor Marines suffered 1,100 casualties upon landing on the island. Over the next two months, and in 115-degree heat, the Marines finally took the island, but not until suffering 6,500 casualties by the 1st Marine Division and 3,000 more casualties by the 81st Infantry.
Like the Iraq War, the Battle was almost completely unnecessary: "The battle was controversial due to its lack of strategic value. The airfield captured on Peleliu was of little use for the attack on the Philippines. The island was never used for a staging operation in subsequent invasions; the Ulithi Atoll, in the Caroline Islands north of the Palaus, was used as a staging base for the invasion of Okinawa. In addition, few news reports were made on the battle. Due to Rupertus' "3 days" prediction, only six reporters bothered coming ashore. The battle was overshadowed by MacArthur's return to the Philippines and the Allies push towards Germany in Europe. It was said the only useful aspect of the battle was the experience gained in battling the heavily fortified positions across the island. Japan would use these tactics with even greater success at Iwo Jima and Okinawa, inflicting the worst casualties of the Pacific War on the Marines and soldiers." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Peleliu
Fortunately we faced much better landing conditions than the Marines as we used the harbor instead of crashing over the reef in LVTs, the weather was in the upper 80s instead of 115 degrees, and the only things sniping at us were mosquitos. Tangie's van doesn't have A/C, so we left the door open as I snapped lots of pictures. Said pictures are downloading to DVD as I speak and then will be transferred to the web, along with all the underwater stuff.
The memorial at Orange Beach was our first stop, with Tangie describing the battle and giving his profused teary-eyed thanks to "our beloved Americans". I've met quite a few people now from Peleliu and they all spoke good English. Tangie's accent is hilarious and I thought it odd that off all Peleliuans, he would be the one to give the tour. It turns out that he is the one-man Peleliu welcoming committee, having started his trade originally by displaying the war artifacts he collected on the island in an ad-hoc museum. Today he coordinates memorial anniversaries, visits by returning veterans, and documentary crews, along with providing tours to the handful of tourists that make it out that way. Peleliu is sort of off the beaten track, but Tangie seems to be doing well. He pointed out his house along the tour and his is by far one of the nicest homes on the island.
The original Japanese airfield, the main reason for the invasion, was originally destroyed by the American bombing, then rebuilt for American use and eventually for Palauans by a small now-defunct airline (their only plane crashed). Today it's overgrown with weeds and potholed. The only standard way onto the island is by boat.
The museum is filled with lots of recovered artifacts from the Battle, along with photographs, letters from Battle survivors, and handwritten accounts of various Battle campaigns. We saw several Japanese bunkers along the road, as well as the remains of a Japanese tank and a Marine LVT. The jungle has reclaimed the unpopulated portions of the island to the point you can't tell it was ever obliterated. Photos of the bare island from WWII are a stark contrast to the verdant green existing today.
We visited a nifty little resort that would make a nice getaway from the bustle of Koror on a future dive trip, and were shown taro plantations, some pigs that didn't look or smell very happy in their small pens, papaya trees, and he explained the various botanical uses of the noni tree, ranging from digestif to abortifacient. Then, on the road back, we narrowly squeezed between the vehicles of two pot farmers whose owners had left them blocking the road as they snoozed on the ground beside them. Quite the adventure in our little 2-hour tour.
Back on the boat, we prepared to dive Orange Beach. Instead of crashing over the reef, we skirted through a cut and dropped into a coral terrain between 40-60 feet of depth, filled with egg-guarding anenomefish, sweetlips, and the myriad other species of reef fish that make Palau justifiably famous. The current was light for a change. Corals weren't as spectacular as other sites, but then other sites weren't the site of a major beach landing. There were artifacts to be found, but due to the current we didn't drift as far as the area where they were usually spotted; besides, it was a photo trip and fish make more interesting underwater shots than bullets.
We dove Orange Beach again at night, and it was easily the best night dive of the trip, the flat terrain and spotty coral perfect terrain for little critters. Unfortunately this time we did have a stiff current and it made shooting macro a painful experience. I wasted half my air trying to get an itty-bitty scorpionfish and ended up ascending early, losing Janna in the process since I hit a current going in the opposite direction as I started my safety stop. I drifted about a mile before ascending, while in the meantime the boat was following the divers drifting in the opposite direction. Being alone under the millions of start, floating over the ghosts of dead Marines, watching the plankton sparkle below, was a beautiful moment of solitude, but I ended up breaking the mood and lighting up my twin strobes like searchlights to get the dinghy driver's attention and didn't even need to beep the Dive Alert. The Aggressor runs a very professional boat and even installed EPRBs on at least one diver of every buddy team; unfortunately for me, the EPRB went on the buddy who was still down with the group, but it was a nice thought.
After getting picked up in one direction it was amazing to see how fast the rest of the group went in the other direction. What a crazy night dive. I blame it on the ghosts.
The next day we dove Peleliu's West Wall. While lacking the historic significance of Orange Beach, the West Wall boasts awesome viz and a straight-down drop to the abyss. Again we were blessed with slack current. This time I warned Janna to stay with the guide, since I planned to go deep to hunt leopard sharks and I didn't want to shorten her dive. Of course as soon as I hit 115', there she was behind me tapping my shoulder. OK, whatever. It's probably better to have a buddy when diving that deep anyway, I suppose. Off we went down the wall.
For a change I noticed it was very quite underwater, not another diver in site and that was rare for the Aggressor with 17 divers on our skiff. There were a couple turtles and a white tip or two, but no leopard sharks. Beautiful sea fans hanging off the wall, though, so I shot a few to practice my wide-angle. At some point I recalled the words of the guide during the briefing telling us that the wall was supposed to be on the right, and we had spend the last 20 minutes kicking slowly with the wall on our left. Oops. That's the problem with current-free drift dives: you actually have to remember all that complicated dive plan stuff instead of just jumping in the water and going with the flow.
So we kicked back at a brisker pace for 15 minutes, catching up with the tail end of the group. I got bored in the shallows without wide- angle stuff to shoot, so I ascended and helped the dinghy driver check out the sunning bikini clad girls on a boat moored nearby. No one else in the group saw any leopard sharks, so my misguided direction finding didn't seem to hurt and the solitude was nice for a change even though I wasn't able to shake my buddy and truly get alone.
After that, it was back north toward Koror and all the dive sites in between. Our Peleliu trip was over, but not to be forgotten soon.
[Trip report for the rest of Palau to follow in a separate thread.]
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 20 Mar 2008 03:37 GMT On Mar 17, 1:57 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> > Just curious how many of Metoos can show France on a map or > > distinguish French language from let's say Romanian. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Most Americans can find France on the map- many of our servicemen have > died there. Don't get Scott started again. We know that many of your countrymen have died, and are dying as we speak, all over the world in military actions. It's one of the things that could earn huge respect for Americans internationally, if not for some of you taking too much delight in demeaning those who might otherwise be inclined to show gratitude. It's that offensive posture again.
American haters are American haters, and always have been.
It's jealousy and angst.
Witness Dechucka and jAnus.
> Who cares about various languages and dialects? All the folks who speak them.
Good for them.
It's nothing to me, though.
> We speak English, the most important language in the world, and don't > need to speak any other. At least until some Asian language comes to the top of the heap in international business etc. All good things must end. At the moment about twice as many folks speak Mandarin as speak English as their first language,
But about half of them can't tell time, and a significant number of them live in the stone age.
I'm not yet quakin'
though it's not considered a major player in international business, yet. Spanish has been in the running but won't likely beat out whatever language comes out of Asia.
But you're probably right. As long as you stay sheltered in your shrinking stronghold of linguistic ignorance you'll need nothing but English in it's ever-changing forms.
That's the usual boldly hypocritical statement for an a.shole who can't speak both the official languages of his -own- fuckin country.
JF
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dechucka - 20 Mar 2008 03:57 GMT > On Mar 17, 1:57 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > American haters are American haters, and always have been. you are paranoid
> It's jealousy and angst. I am jealous about what?
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Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 20 Mar 2008 09:37 GMT >> On Mar 17, 1:57 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" >> <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > you are paranoid Like your repeated denials that you never post anything AA?
Even though it's 85% of your posting content?
Sure.
>> It's jealousy and angst. > > I am jealous about what? Well, I don't remember anybody mentioning you, but it's nice of you to take ownership of the remark.
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JOF - 20 Mar 2008 15:29 GMT On Mar 19, 10:37 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> On Mar 17, 1:57 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Witness Dechucka and jAnus. We're making progress. A while back I was included in that list. I suppose you figured out how inane that sounded to my American friends here.
> > Who cares about various languages and dialects? > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I'm not yet quakin' Then you're a fool. Not because you're not "quakin'" but because you're own brand of national hubris has you blinded to what's happening in your own world.
> though it's not considered a major player in > international business, yet. Spanish has been in the running but won't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That's the usual boldly hypocritical statement for an a.shole who can't > speak both the official languages of his -own- fuckin country. That's not hypocrisy, just mere happenstance. We have two national languages because we have two principal language backgrounds and the majority of the French speakers are located well east of here, and some well west. Where I live there's no need to speak French except in French class at school. I can still struggle by with my high school French but I'm certainly better at reading than speaking it. If we had a French speaking community here, like Ottawa for instance, I'd have to be a whole lot better at it if only for my business.
Besides, if I was fluent in French you'd be all over me for pandering to a "bunch of cowards". As with so many of the things we argue about, there's little chance of winning with you, and not because you're always right. You simply change the context to suit your vituperation of the moment. That's why I've so often referred to your "fertile" mind. It can't be easy to switch from being a totally charming generous guy to being such a total prick with the facility you do.
JF
Greg Mossman - 20 Mar 2008 15:43 GMT > It can't be easy to switch from being a totally > charming generous guy to being such a total prick with the facility > you do. Normally it takes 3 years of law school.
JOF - 20 Mar 2008 15:52 GMT > > It can't be easy to switch from being a totally > > charming generous guy to being such a total prick with the facility > > you do. > > Normally it takes 3 years of law school. But lawyers are paid to be that way. They're smart enough to get something tangible for their talent.
JF
janusz_w@hotmail.com - 20 Mar 2008 22:46 GMT > On Mar 19, 10:37 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > That's the usual boldly hypocritical statement for an a.shole who can't > > speak both the official languages of his -own- fuckin country. Quite interesting. I'm only curious if Douggy knows that there is no official language in his own ..... country?
Janusz
janusz_w@hotmail.com - 17 Mar 2008 23:30 GMT On 17 Mar, 18:57, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> On Mar 15, 6:15 pm, "janus...@hotmail.com" <janus...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Most Americans can find France on the map Can you?
>- many of our servicemen have > died there. FYI and many from other countries, too
> Who cares about various languages and dialects? Such guys are called educated ones
> We speak English, I'm sorry the lingo you speak maybe is based on English, but can't be considered as English
the most important language in the world, and don't
> need to speak any other. You remind me some nasty stories of dumb Americans visiting Europe (small clarification I don't consider all Americans dumb - only small, uneducated minority, which unfortunately is also too loud). Usually people in Europe consider others "Intelligent until proven stupid". Thanks to idiots like you Americans all over the world are considered "stupid until proven intelligent".
Janusz
dechucka - 19 Mar 2008 23:45 GMT > On Mar 15, 6:15 pm, "janus...@hotmail.com" <janus...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Most Americans can find France on the map r u sure?
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 20 Mar 2008 00:02 GMT >> On Mar 15, 6:15 pm, "janus...@hotmail.com" <janus...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > r u sure? They can spell "are" and "you" as well.
Besides, if we need to know where France is, we just ask the Germans.
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dechucka - 20 Mar 2008 00:06 GMT >>> On Mar 15, 6:15 pm, "janus...@hotmail.com" <janus...@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > They can spell "are" and "you" as well. r u sure?
> Besides, if we need to know where France is, we just ask the Germans. Why? by the way have you got French fries back on the menu or are they still freedom fries
Scott - 20 Mar 2008 01:49 GMT > Besides, if we need to know where France is, we just ask the Germans. *****
dechucka - 20 Mar 2008 01:56 GMT >> Besides, if we need to know where France is, we just ask the Germans. > > ***** the most intelligent thing you have ever posted
Grumman-581 - 20 Mar 2008 02:28 GMT > They can spell "are" and "you" as well. Well, except for Gen-Slacker...
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janusz_w@hotmail.com - 20 Mar 2008 09:58 GMT > > On Mar 15, 6:15 pm, "janus...@hotmail.com" <janus...@hotmail.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > r u sure? Only it it is written "France" in capital letters. Do you remember that clip about Americans showing Australia as North Korea and Iran?
Janusz
Grumman-581 - 20 Mar 2008 18:29 GMT > Only it it is written "France" in capital letters. Do you remember that > clip about Americans showing Australia as North Korea and Iran? If you interview enough people, you'll get some like that regardless of which country you are interviewing... If you are wanting to show how geographical knowledge challenged a particular group of people are, you just edit out all the ones who got the answer right and only show what you wanted to show in the first place... Ask enough people and eventually you will find some idiots that you can use to claim that the entire population conforms to to the results that you intended to get in the first place... Hell, with a bit of effort, you could probably get a video of people in your own country that can't point it out on a map...
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Scott - 20 Mar 2008 20:03 GMT > Hell, with a bit of effort, you could probably get a video of people in > your own country that can't point it out on a map... Especially after you remove the swastika and the hammer and sickle...
janusz_w@hotmail.com - 20 Mar 2008 22:57 GMT > > Hell, with a bit of effort, you could probably get a video of people in > > your own country that can't point it out on a map... > > Especially after you remove the swastika and the hammer and sickle... Just perfect example of uneducated redneck.
Janusz
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 21 Mar 2008 00:12 GMT >> Hell, with a bit of effort, you could probably get a video of people in >> your own country that can't point it out on a map... > > Especially after you remove the swastika and the hammer and sickle... Ouch.
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Scott - 21 Mar 2008 01:08 GMT > > "Grumman-581" <grumman581-usenet-2008@spambob.net> wrote in message news:pan.2008.03.20.17.28.57.531000@grumman581-usenet-2008-spambob-net...
> >> Hell, with a bit of effort, you could probably get a video of people in > >> your own country that can't point it out on a map...
> > Especially after you remove the swastika and the hammer and sickle...
> Ouch.
> :-) The current flag looks like a spin-off of Bill Ruger....
janusz_w@hotmail.com - 21 Mar 2008 10:00 GMT On 21 Mar, 00:12, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> >> Hell, with a bit of effort, you could probably get a video of people in > >> your own country that can't point it out on a map... > > > Especially after you remove the swastika and the hammer and sickle... > > Ouch. Yes, idiocy is painful.
Janusz
janusz_w@hotmail.com - 20 Mar 2008 22:55 GMT > > Only it it is written "France" in capital letters. Do you remember that > > clip about Americans showing Australia as North Korea and Iran? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Hell, with a bit of effort, you could probably get a video of people in > your own country that can't point it out on a map... Maybe you are right, but in some countries it is much easier to find such people. Just look at the rec.scuba population and tell where are the idiots from ;-))).
Janusz
Joe English - 21 Mar 2008 02:38 GMT >>>Only it it is written "France" in capital letters. Do you remember that >>>clip about Americans showing Australia as North Korea and Iran? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Janusz from the posts we see here - Poland
Grumman-581 - 21 Mar 2008 05:33 GMT > Maybe you are right, but in some countries it is much easier to find such > people. Just look at the rec.scuba population and tell where are the > idiots from ;-))). As a general rule, they are located north of I-10, but there are a couple of exceptions... <grin>
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janusz_w@hotmail.com - 21 Mar 2008 10:03 GMT On 21 Mar, 05:33, Grumman-581 <grumman581-usenet-2...@spambob.net> wrote:
> > Maybe you are right, but in some countries it is much easier to find such > > people. Just look at the rec.scuba population and tell where are the > > idiots from ;-))). > > As a general rule, they are located north of I-10, but there are a couple > of exceptions... <grin> LOL
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dechucka - 14 Mar 2008 00:51 GMT >>>>>janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > no typo just another third world country delusion it has now been fixed > properly America isn't that bad
Joe English - 14 Mar 2008 01:12 GMT >>>>>>janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > America isn't that bad here on the good side of the pond - we already now that
dechucka - 14 Mar 2008 01:38 GMT >>>>>>>janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> >> America isn't that bad good country ruined by the immigrants
> here on the good side of the pond - we already now that janusz_w@hotmail.com - 13 Mar 2008 13:41 GMT > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > I try to stay away from your type - but thanks for playing Good to know. I'm much more comfortable, now. BTW when are you going to Africa?
Janusz
Joe English - 13 Mar 2008 22:50 GMT >>janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Janusz your comprehension could use some work - try to keep up
janusz_w@hotmail.com - 14 Mar 2008 13:21 GMT > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > your comprehension could use some work - try to keep up My comprehension? It was you who said something about avoiding my type and it's very good information for me as it means - Joe English is not going to Europe. That's the reason I'm much more comfortable. On the other hand you expressed your feelings/dreams about pre-law ape societies. AFAIK you can find them in Africa, in places where gorillas and chimpanzees are roaming freely. That's my question was about your trip and as so far there is no answer. Of course you can also stay in your beloved country and harass Bigfoot, but I think that the creature would not have as much patience for you as I have.
Janusz
Joe English - 14 Mar 2008 23:41 GMT >>janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > type and it's very good information for me as it means - Joe English > is not going to Europe. Not Europe you idiot, Africa - please try to keep up
Poland would be the 3rd last place I would visit
Scott - 15 Mar 2008 01:39 GMT > Not Europe you idiot, Africa - please try to keep up > > Poland would be the 3rd last place I would visit I wouldnt be so hasty;
A couple of the old guys at the VFW say the Polish chicks are easy and tight.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 15 Mar 2008 05:34 GMT >> Not Europe you idiot, Africa - please try to keep up >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > A couple of the old guys at the VFW say the Polish chicks are easy and > tight. Probably like Aussie chicks-
Once you get past that first two or three inches that's worn out, they tighten up pretty good.
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