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Looking for diving fiction from the 70s (60s?)

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94bears@gmail.com - 04 Mar 2008 05:11 GMT
Greetings from the past!  I see much stays the same.  I've spent much
of the last 4 years with the online skydiving community who also talk
early and often about guns.  Not too surprising - I think any activity
that requires a willingness to face fear will have a lot of people who
aren't afraid of well engineered pieces of steel.

But why no more DIR fights (I see Mike retains his favored Stroke
name)?  Solo diving?  PADI versus NAUI (or SSI to be more 21st
century)?   I'm still a solo diving backplate diver, now supporting an
Aquatica housed 20D enroute to Coco in 3 weeks.  Hope I figure out wtf
I'm doing, having used a S400 and the Aquashots prior to now.

Onto my question of interest - a couple decades ago I read a young
adult fiction of a surfer who got trounced by the waves and takes up
diving instead.  I believe it was set in Southern California, had to
have been published in the 60s or 70s.  I can't remember anything
about the title, unlike another one I remember reading "Have
Spacesuit, Will Travel."   Anyone got a bead on this one?

Alternatively, what other decent UW oriented fiction can I read on
that 36 hour boat trip?

Cheers
Jason O'Rourke
last dive - November, Lake Elsinore, 12,500ft, 45 seconds.
mat.voss - 04 Mar 2008 10:39 GMT
Welcome back!

Still riding the Beemer?

Matthias

> Greetings from the past!  I see much stays the same.  I've spent much
> of the last 4 years with the online skydiving community who also talk
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Jason O'Rourke
> last dive - November, Lake Elsinore, 12,500ft, 45 seconds.
94bears@gmail.com - 05 Mar 2008 04:09 GMT
> Welcome back!
>
> Still riding the Beemer?
>
> Matthias

In 20003 I replaced the 850R (at 72,000 miles) with a beautiful 1150R,
which sadly was destroyed in 2006.  The accompanying destruction to my
shoulder swung the pendulum back from skydiving to scuba, where one
can get away with a bit less fitness and flexibility.  (it's not that
bad, I don't set off metal detectors and I can't stick magnets to the
arm.)

Just before I augered in at 65mph, I bought the sport bike I always
wanted, a '95 Daytona 1200.  Pretty bike, lousy city commuter, but I'm
not ready yet to pony up for another beemer when I'm still nervous
about freeways.  I briefly considered a scooter for my 4 mile commute
across SF, but I just can't bring myself to it.

Jason
Grumman-581 - 05 Mar 2008 09:30 GMT
On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:09:56 -0800, 94bears wrote:

> Just before I augered in at 65mph

<snip>

Kind of depends on how the wreck goes... I've laid a bike down at 65 and
came away with only a couple of scuffed spots on my fatigues and I
walked away from it... I've been slower than that and had a lower leg
physically detached from the rest of my body... It's not the speed, but
how quickly you decelerate and perhaps what part of your body is acting as
the brake pad...

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Dillon Pyron - 09 Mar 2008 22:23 GMT
[Default] Thus spake Grumman-581 <grumman581-usenet-2008@spambob.net>:

>On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:09:56 -0800, 94bears wrote:
>
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>how quickly you decelerate and perhaps what part of your body is acting as
>the brake pad...

I got into the marbles at TWS on an RD350.  I kept praying "bike ahead
of rider" until I came to a stop.  Bike totaled, me broken left ulna.
I did it on Saturday and made class on Monday.
George Cathcart - 04 Mar 2008 10:52 GMT
On Mar 4, 12:11 am, 94be...@gmail.com wrote:
> Greetings from the past!  I see much stays the same.  I've spent much
> of the last 4 years with the online skydiving community who also talk
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Jason O'Rourke
> last dive - November, Lake Elsinore, 12,500ft, 45 seconds.

Don't know about the book you're asking about, but I'd recommend
looking for a copy of James Jones's Go to the Widowmaker. Diving is
integral to the story, but it's not the  story.  Well-written,
thoughtful, almost a page-turner. Unfortunately, it's out of print,but
you might find it on Amazon or at the library.

gc
-hh - 04 Mar 2008 11:39 GMT
Jason O'Rourke  94be...@gmail.com wrote:
> Greetings from the past!  I see much stays the same.  

Hey hey!   Yes, there's a lot of walking around the same circle.

> But why no more DIR fights (I see Mike retains his favored Stroke
> name)?  Solo diving?  PADI versus NAUI (or SSI to be more 21st
> century)?  

A lot of the new generation has explored the virtual world only as far
as some of the web-based commercial websites for scuba diving, and
they say nasty things about USENET being unmoderated.  As such, a lot
of these old debates don't get revived here anymore...although
unfortunately, can't say with confidence that the new generation isn't
being fed a line of BS, either.

> I'm still a solo diving backplate diver, now supporting an
> Aquatica housed 20D enroute to Coco in 3 weeks.  Hope I figure out wtf
> I'm doing, having used a S400 and the Aquashots prior to now.

What lenses did you settle on with your 20D?  Ditto ports?

My Nikonos V finally bit the dust 2 months ago (after 17 years) and
thus, I'm finally looking at retiring film.  Been wondering the "what
works?" for wide angle with a crop body dSLR, and I've been
procrastinating in hopes that the Canon 5D "Mk2" comes out soon to
sidestep that question, but I'm going to have to pull the trigger
soon.

Stay safe & let us know how it turns out.   FWIW, expect 'darkish'
lighting (like the Galapagos) that encourages higher ISO's.  I'd
probably start at ISO 400 for the 'big water' shots.

> Onto my question of interest - a couple decades ago I read a young
> adult fiction of a surfer who got trounced by the waves and takes up
> diving instead.  I believe it was set in Southern California, had to
> have been published in the 60s or 70s.  I can't remember anything
> about the title, unlike another one I remember reading "Have
> Spacesuit, Will Travel."   Anyone got a bead on this one?

Sorry, blank.

Here's some other stuff to consider:

"One Man's War - diving as a guest of the Emperor 1942"
 Robert C. Sheats (USN Master Diver, retired)
 1998; 94 pages; autobiography
 ISBN: 0-941332-60-8

"The Rapture of the Deep" (and other dive stories you probably
shouldn't know)
 Michael G. Zinsley
 1999; 260 pages; autobiographical
 ISBN:  1-58500-741-2

"We the Navigators" (the ancient art of landfinding in the Pacific)
 David Lewis
 2nd Ed: 1994; 442pgs, nonfiction
 ISBN: 0-8248-1582-3

Plus I have a copy of "Sea Quest - global blue water adventuring in
small craft"  available on give-away.  If you want it, email me
offline with a mailing address...best address to use is hugh@ (above
domain name)

Finally, for a book that isn't about water at all, but is one that
even ESG might reminisce about, there's "Physics in Every Day Life" by
William D. Henderson, PhD (University of Michigan).  Lyons & Carnahan
press, New York ... copyright 1921, so its now in the public domain.

> Alternatively, what other decent UW oriented fiction can I read on
> that 36 hour boat trip?

If you're carrying a laptop, work on getting your photos organized ...
I find that that always needs work :-)

> last dive - November, Lake Elsinore, 12,500ft, 45 seconds.

45 seconds sounds more like a sky dive than a scuba dive.

-hh
Lee Bell - 04 Mar 2008 12:10 GMT
> Onto my question of interest - a couple decades ago I read a young
> adult fiction of a surfer who got trounced by the waves and takes up
> diving instead. I believe it was set in Southern California, had to
> have been published in the 60s or 70s. I can't remember anything
> about the title, unlike another one I remember reading "Have
> Spacesuit, Will Travel." Anyone got a bead on this one?

I'll look around sometime today to see what I can come up with that's diving
related, but, in the interim, here's a site some here may find interesting.
Baen Books, the publisher of a lot of the best science fiction authors in
the market, thinks that offering free electronic books may be a good way to
increase sales of their paperback and hard bound ones. So far, their
experiment seems to be working well. That does not surprise me. I've
downloaded everything they offer and read most. I'm impressed enough that,
when I do buy hard copy publications, I consider the Baen name to be
indicative of ones I will enjoy.

At any rate, the free, and completely legal, books are available at
http://www.baen.com/library/defaultTitles.htm . From the same page, you can
download free readers. I use Microsoft Reader, both on my desktop and
notebook computers and on my smart phone/PDA.

Enjoy.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 04 Mar 2008 17:51 GMT
> Stay safe & let us know how it turns out.   FWIW, expect 'darkish'
> lighting (like the Galapagos) that encourages higher ISO's.  I'd
> probably start at ISO 400 for the 'big water' shots.

The water in Cocos is quite a bit clearer from my experience and, even
during the rainy season, we got a lot more sun penetration than what
the Galapagoan garua permits in the dry season.  It was light as day
down at 115' on Alcyone or Dirty Rock, whereas in the Galapagos, it's
always a perpetual twilight even as shallow as 30'.  I'd go with 200.

Hopefully JOR will stick around here long enough to post his results.
94bears@gmail.com - 05 Mar 2008 04:24 GMT
> What lenses did you settle on with your 20D?  Ditto ports?
>
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> sidestep that question, but I'm going to have to pull the trigger
> soon.

I was on the fence about it all - it's a huge price increase from a
simple compact and housing, but last year I was in the caymans and
though I was well ahead of the other compact shooters, the two guys
with housings were doing stuff that just wasn't an option for me.
Then I waffled on getting a top dawg with an hdv camcorder.

Backscatter had a full setup for 2250 - aquatica housing, 20d body,
10-22 lens, port, and 8" dome.  Doesn't match the 30D I already have,
but it's complete, and I am selling the 10-22 I had just gotten, so if
you cheat it is only costing me about 1650.  I added a ys-110 and
we'll see how it goes.  Later in the year I'll add a 100mm macro (or
maybe the shorter one) for Monterey use.  But for this trip, focus on
big and not worry about which mode to take on the dive.

Coincidentally, I got a clear out garage sale type deal on a couple
nik v bodies with a 35, s&s 15, and tubes ($190).  I may experiment a
little bit with it.  You might find one on ebay to keep the option
there.   'New' used ones are cheaper than servicings!  And certainly
more compact that the aquatica housing.  I just found a Akona carry on
case that I can lug it all in without the huge weight of the pelican
1510s.

We'll see how it goes.  I took 1000 pics in 6 days in the caymans with
the compact.  On day 5 when we did the pre dawn dive, one of the two
housings flooded and he was done for the week.  That's the scary part
to me.  The aquashot and compact housings have that single oring-
almost bulletproof.  And of course, I go from an S400 with almost no
options (flash or no, spot or wide exposure) to the DSLR's total
control.  Even on land I'm still figuring it out.

Jason
El Stroko Guapo - 04 Mar 2008 16:05 GMT
> Greetings from the past!  I see much stays the same.  I've spent much
> of the last 4 years with the online skydiving community who also talk
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> But why no more DIR fights (I see Mike retains his favored Stroke
> name)?

The very little of use has been integrated into diving. The bullshit all
went into organic vegetables.

> Alternatively, what other decent UW oriented fiction can I read on
> that 36 hour boat trip?

By far, the largest source of diving fiction is rec.scuba.

Have a good trip.

esg
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 05 Mar 2008 02:29 GMT
>> Greetings from the past!  I see much stays the same.  I've spent much
>> of the last 4 years with the online skydiving community who also talk
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> By far, the largest source of diving fiction is rec.scuba.

 ***** (five stars)

> Have a good trip.
>
> esg

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Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 05 Mar 2008 05:35 GMT
> Greetings from the past!

 Gone but not forgotten, Dude!

 I was just in SF a few weeks ago.

>I see much stays the same.  I've spent much
> of the last 4 years with the online skydiving community who also talk
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> But why no more DIR fights (I see Mike retains his favored Stroke
> name)?

 Strokes ran the flag up on "Suribachi".

 Sorry to hear about your shoulder.

 We still talk about scuba when the need arises. :-)

> Solo diving?  PADI versus NAUI (or SSI to be more 21st
> century)?   I'm still a solo diving backplate diver, now supporting an
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> Alternatively, what other decent UW oriented fiction can I read on
> that 36 hour boat trip?

 Not UW, but -just- right for a boat trip:

 "In The Heart Of The Sea".

 The -real- story of Moby Dick (and 90 days in a lifeboat with 10 days of
food).

 Chilling.

 One of the ten best books I ever read.

> Cheers
> Jason O'Rourke
> last dive - November, Lake Elsinore, 12,500ft, 45 seconds.

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Dillon Pyron - 09 Mar 2008 22:27 GMT
[Default] Thus spake 94bears@gmail.com:

Hey guy!!!

>Greetings from the past!  I see much stays the same.  I've spent much
>of the last 4 years with the online skydiving community who also talk
>early and often about guns.  Not too surprising - I think any activity
>that requires a willingness to face fear will have a lot of people who
>aren't afraid of well engineered pieces of steel.

Hmm, what was my comment from a few years ago?

"Scub diving and sky diving.  It's all fun until you run out of air"

>But why no more DIR fights (I see Mike retains his favored Stroke
>name)?  Solo diving?  PADI versus NAUI (or SSI to be more 21st
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>Alternatively, what other decent UW oriented fiction can I read on
>that 36 hour boat trip?

Didn't G. Gordan Liddy write a book about Cozumel sometime in the
early 70s?  Before a) it became popular and b) he became a second rate
burglar (but after he became a pretty damn good "wet artist")

>Cheers
>Jason O'Rourke
>last dive - November, Lake Elsinore, 12,500ft, 45 seconds.
 
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