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Scuba Forum / General / February 2008Dear Dechucka:
Myth No. 10. "School violence is rampant." It may seem so, with media attention focused on a spate of school shootings. In fact, school shootings are extremely rare. Even including the more common violence that is gang-related or dispute-related, only 12 to 20 homicides a year occur in the 100,000 schools in the U.S. In general, school assaults and other violence have dropped by nearly half in the past decade. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15111438/page/2/  Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com > Myth No. 10. "School violence is rampant." > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15111438/page/2/ I am glad that you find this level school shooting acceptable > > Myth No. 10. "School violence is rampant." > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I am glad that you find this level school shooting acceptable It seems, that Douggy as usual found something what suits his level of ignorance. Of course the level of homicides for K-12 is really around 20 per year, but it is really interesting to check methods of death. http://www.schoolsafety.us/pubfiles/savd.pdf Janusz >>Myth No. 10. "School violence is rampant." >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I am glad that you find this level school shooting acceptable Absolutely a total dishonest response - Popeye did not in anyway claim that - try to be honest instead of twisting what was actually said No one here finds any of this kind of crap acceptable - NO ONE. And NO ONE ever said they did >>>Myth No. 10. "School violence is rampant." >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > No one here finds any of this kind of crap acceptable - NO ONE. And NO > ONE ever said they did than why post it. Can't remember any school shootings in Australia in the last couple of years >>>>Myth No. 10. "School violence is rampant." >>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > than why post it. Can't remember any school shootings in Australia in the > last couple of years can you remember any at all? >>>>>Myth No. 10. "School violence is rampant." >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> last couple of years > can you remember any at all? Actually no but there well have been one or two or some. I vaguely remember a gun at school incident >>>Myth No. 10. "School violence is rampant." >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Absolutely a total dishonest response - Popeye did not in anyway claim > that - try to be honest instead of twisting what was actually said It's all he's got. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>>Myth No. 10. "School violence is rampant." >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > It's all he's got. all I've got is Aus strict gun laws lower gun crime rate, gun crime has decreased since they were tightened. America slack gun laws ( for historical reasons ) a disproportionate number of gun massacres. Is there a direct correlation I think there is others on this ng disagree. Will introducing tougher gun laws in the US help? don't know as it is such a gun culture >>>>>Myth No. 10. "School violence is rampant." >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > correlation I think there is others on this ng disagree. Will introducing > tougher gun laws in the US help? don't know as it is such a gun culture lower crime rate? Or just lower GUN crime rate? Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American. ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >>>>>Myth No. 10. "School violence is rampant." >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > introducing tougher gun laws in the US help? don't know as it is such a > gun culture It's because you're so stupid. There are already nearly 30,000 gun laws in the U.S.. In general, and without special permit, weapons are already illegal to carry. Criminals, who commit the vast majority of gun crimes, do not obey gun laws. -Gun- crime in Australia may be down, but, crime isn't. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>>>>Myth No. 10. "School violence is rampant." >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > There are already nearly 30,000 gun laws in the U.S.. don't seem to work very well to stop the high rate of gun crime > In general, and without special permit, weapons are already illegal to > carry. > > Criminals, who commit the vast majority of gun crimes, do not obey gun > laws. exactly why I questioned if tougher gun lasws would work > -Gun- crime in Australia may be down, but, crime isn't. your point being what? > "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in >>>>>>>Myth No. 10. "School violence is rampant." >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > don't seem to work very well to stop the high rate of gun crime Well, -there- we agree. Yet -your- solution is to have more laws? >> In general, and without special permit, weapons are already illegal to >> carry. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > exactly why I questioned if tougher gun lasws would work Sentences for felonies committed with guns are already ten years longer than the same crime without. Some states have an automatic 1 year in jail for the -slightest- gun violation (i.e.- possession). In Massachusetts, that includes BB guns. You're going to have to identify the problem (the drug culture), and deal with that. The problem is, Americans won't give up their drugs. Also, parents are going to have to take responsibility for their childrens' actions. But the plain fact of the matter is that you -cannot- keep guns out of the hands of criminals. >> -Gun- crime in Australia may be down, but, crime isn't. > > your point being what? What do you think? What does it mean when registering, confiscating and destroying weapons doesn't lower the crime rate? How many Aussie criminals turned in their guns, do you think? I'm not going to drag you kicking and screaming along like I do Futile John. You're going to have to do a little thinking. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Yet -your- solution is to have more laws? probably won't work in the US, see my comments below >>> In general, and without special permit, weapons are already illegal to >>> carry. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Sentences for felonies committed with guns are already ten years longer > than the same crime without. doesn't seem to be working > Some states have an automatic 1 year in jail for the -slightest- gun > violation (i.e.- possession). > > In Massachusetts, that includes BB guns. see above > You're going to have to identify the problem (the drug culture), and deal > with that. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What do you think? a lot but in relation to this I was asking your pov > What does it mean when registering, confiscating and destroying weapons > doesn't lower the crime rate? didn't it? Care to back this up? > How many Aussie criminals turned in their guns, do you think? > > I'm not going to drag you kicking and screaming along like I do Futile > John. no matter what you and your mates think you haven't done a very good job > You're going to have to do a little thinking. > "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in >>>> There are already nearly 30,000 gun laws in the U.S.. >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > doesn't seem to be working You're right. But do you actually understand what the problem is? >> Some states have an automatic 1 year in jail for the -slightest- gun >> violation (i.e.- possession). [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > a lot but in relation to this I was asking your pov My point is that Aussies gave up over a half a million weapons, for a fraction of their worth if any, for little or no gain in safety. >> What does it mean when registering, confiscating and destroying weapons >> doesn't lower the crime rate? > > didn't it? Care to back this up? Sure- if you can back up that it did. Here's a hostile cite- http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/australiaguns.html Rear the facts and numbers -carefully-. >> How many Aussie criminals turned in their guns, do you think? >> >> I'm not going to drag you kicking and screaming along like I do Futile >> John. > > no matter what you and your mates think you haven't done a very good job That's your partisan opinion, but the facts are on my side. Among several other points, -no one- here will debate me issue for issue on Gun CVontrol in general, or American gun control in specific. Futile John has fled screaming several times, including just last week. >> You're going to have to do a little thinking. -- >> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Here's a hostile cite- not wrong, now if you would care to quote some legit figures it would be good > http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/australiaguns.html > > Rear the facts and numbers -carefully-. you may enjoy those facts so much you want to "rear" them but well I'm not that way >>> How many Aussie criminals turned in their guns, do you think? >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Futile John has fled screaming several times, including just last week. because you won't listen to a responable point of veiw and debate it >>> You're going to have to do a little thinking. >>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>> in [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > not wrong, now if you would care to quote some legit figures it would be > good That's why I said to read it carefully. Which figures weren't legit? And it's your turn. >> http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/australiaguns.html >> >> Rear the facts and numbers -carefully-. > > you may enjoy those facts so much you want to "rear" them but well I'm not > that way Stick to the point. >>>> How many Aussie criminals turned in their guns, do you think? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > because you won't listen to a responable point of veiw and debate it Sure I will. Let's have one from you. Try one of his, if you want. >>>> You're going to have to do a little thinking. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>>> in [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > That's why I said to read it carefully. I did > Which figures weren't legit? source > And it's your turn. to do what? >>> http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/australiaguns.html >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Sure I will. turned over a new leaf? > Let's have one from you. > > Try one of his, if you want. why? > "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in >> That's why I said to read it carefully. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > source Pick one, we'll review it together. >> And it's your turn. > > to do what? Provide evidence that confiscating guns lowered the crime rate. >>>> http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/australiaguns.html >>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > turned over a new leaf? Well, you've got the challenge to respond to. >> Let's have one from you. >> >> Try one of his, if you want. > > why? Well, you said that I don't debate "reasonable" (I think) points, and you seem to be curious about this issue. So pick one of those "reasonable" points of Futile Johns', and we'll talk about it. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Well, you've got the challenge to respond to. why bother >>> Let's have one from you. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well, you said that I don't debate "reasonable" (I think) points, and you > seem to be curious about this issue. I am > So pick one of those "reasonable" points of Futile Johns', and we'll talk > about it. let him argue the point >>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>> in [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> Pick one, we'll review it together. Were you going to pick one? >>>> And it's your turn. >>> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > let him argue the point Well, now you seem to be porking the pie. You clearly stated that I won't "listen to a reasonable point of view and debate it". I then offered to, and you've refused. Can you at least name -one- "reasonable" point of view that I've refused to argue? Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>>> in [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > Well, now you seem to be porking the pie. Is this a reference to "American Pie" > You clearly stated that I won't "listen to a reasonable point of view and > debate it". yep > I then offered to, and you've refused. yep > Can you at least name -one- "reasonable" point of view that I've refused > to argue? nope You started this thread >>>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>>>> in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Were you going to pick one? I see we're ignoring this. >>>>>> And it's your turn. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Is this a reference to "American Pie" No, it's a reference to you lying again. >> You clearly stated that I won't "listen to a reasonable point of view >> and debate it". [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > nope Why not? > You started this thread What does that have to do with the accusation that you made? Can you back your accusation up in any way? Or is it Canadian Baseless? Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>> Were you going to pick one? > > I see we're ignoring this. yep snip >>> Well, now you seem to be porking the pie. >> >> Is this a reference to "American Pie" > > No, it's a reference to you lying again. about what? >>> Can you at least name -one- "reasonable" point of view that I've >>> refused to argue? >> >> nope > > Why not? I couldn't be bothered, really it doesn't worry me. You have nicely provided the murder rate at US schools. There was a killing of 2 students at a Melbourne University ( what you would still call a schooll I beleive ) in the early part of this century but it is the only one I can remember ( only thought about a University being considered a school shooting after replying to JOF ) >> You started this thread > > What does that have to do with the accusation that you made? > > Can you back your accusation up in any way? What accusations? > Or is it Canadian Baseless? no US clueless, you really are getting stranger popeye >>>> Were you going to pick one? >> >> I see we're ignoring this. > yep Got it. I guess we can't debate it reasonably, then. >>>> Well, now you seem to be porking the pie. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > about what? Your accusation. >>>> Can you at least name -one- "reasonable" point of view that I've >>>> refused to argue? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I couldn't be bothered, really it doesn't worry me. You have nicely > provided the murder rate at US schools. What does that have to do with the accusation that you made? You seem to be obfuscating here. > There was a killing of 2 students at a Melbourne University ( what you > would still call a schooll I beleive ) in the early part of this century [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > What accusations? This one: ========================== >>>>> because you won't listen to a responable point of veiw and debate it >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > why bother ========================== >> Or is it Canadian Baseless? > > no US clueless, you really are getting stranger popeye It sure looks like, -just- like Futile John does, that you're avoiding any kind of reasonable debate. I say again: Can you supply -one- reasonable point of Futile Johns' that I refused to listen to and debate? Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>>> Were you going to pick one? >>> >>> I see we're ignoring this. >> yep > > Got it. Popeye the markets are now closing over here and it must be getting late over there 2300 or so. So let me say I have just tossed the hook. It was a nice troll ( liked the cross post of the "dear john" thread into aus.scuba) but sometimes the fish is playing with the angler not too interested in a fight because they know they can leave at any time dignity intact but with the troller not having the fun of a good fight and looking like the troller they are. Might drop back later. Sleep tight and make sure you have the safety on the big gun in bed >>>>>> Were you going to pick one? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Might drop back later. Sleep tight and make sure you have the safety on > the big gun in bed Wow. Wwwoooooowwww. What a whining little bitch. If Futile John ever wanted to know what it looks like when he cries a little tear and slithers out on his belly, here it is. You make a general accusation (which, -amazingly-, is about how I discuss things), like Futile, and I politely and clearly invite you to discuss it, -several- times, and you give excuse after excuse after excuse, until -this- piece of sh.t, after which you then post ten more times in the next two hours, even though the "markets are closing". Even more "John Like" (read: cowardly), was how you snipped and snipped away each of my questions to avoid answering them. Had the chance to discuss the Aussie gun control problem (which is a lie you previously made) and you scurried like a pussy. Had the chance to prove up on your accusation ("what accusation?") and you crawled out on your belly. How perfectly Canadian, that you attempt to imply that there was any "dignity" involved on your part. Fuckin stupendous, another verified Rec.scuba kill. I just hold the light. You people do all the work. That's the way it's been since March of '98. How -sweet- it is. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com > Wow. > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > How -sweet- it is. Now will you please killfile the lying little amateur cuntbubble? snip > Now will you please killfile the lying little amateur cuntbubble? hey look Scotties is talking about me again, can't you leave me alone In article <47b9fd38$0$30995$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... -snip - - -> -> Now will you please killfile the lying little amateur cuntbubble? - -hey look Scotties is talking about me again, can't you leave me alone (translation from weasel talk) everyone look the other way while i do the weasel dance: tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy see? I win! -> -> - - - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net > In article <47b9fd38$0$30995$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- > 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > see? I win! and we have a WINNER congratulations well done In article <47bb41b4$0$30977$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... - -"crownfield" <crownfield@verizon.net> wrote in message -news:MPG.2224d6f69272711e9897ec@news.verizon.net... -> In article <47b9fd38$0$30995$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- -> 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... -> -snip -> - -> - -> -> -> -> Now will you please killfile the lying little amateur cuntbubble? -> - -> -hey look Scotties is talking about me again, can't you leave me alone -> (translation from weasel talk) -> -> everyone look the other way while i do the weasel dance: -> -> tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp -> tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity -> tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap -> tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy -> tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy -> -> see? I win! - -and we have a WINNER - -congratulations well done if you only knew how to snip and attribute, but alas, you screwed the pooch. thus you reduce everything down to your level. - - - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net > In article <47bb41b4$0$30977$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- > 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > if you only knew how to snip and attribute, > but alas, you screwed the pooch. Are you into sex with dogs? If not why did you bring it up In article <47bb7e91$0$30945$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... - -"crownfield" <crownfield@verizon.net> wrote in message -news:MPG.22253b815c0d0add9897f5@news.verizon.net... -> In article <47bb41b4$0$30977$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- -> 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... -> - -> -"crownfield" <crownfield@verizon.net> wrote in message -> -news:MPG.2224d6f69272711e9897ec@news.verizon.net... -> -> In article <47b9fd38$0$30995$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- -> -> 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... -> -> -snip -> -> - -> -> - -> -> -> -> -> -> Now will you please killfile the lying little amateur cuntbubble? -> -> - -> -> -hey look Scotties is talking about me again, can't you leave me alone -> -> (translation from weasel talk) -> -> -> -> everyone look the other way while i do the weasel dance: -> -> -> -> tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp -> -> tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity -> -> tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap -> -> tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy -> -> tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy -> -> -> -> see? I win! -> - -> -and we have a WINNER -> - -> -congratulations well done -> -> if you only knew how to snip and attribute, -> but alas, you screwed the pooch. - -Are you into sex with dogs? If not why did you bring it up you really are a prevert. you took a common expression, and made it as sexual deviant. - - - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net > you really are a prevert. > you took a common expression, > and made it as sexual deviant. It's juvenile; He isn't that worldly or smart. "prevert" Meathead > In article <47bb7e91$0$30945$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- > 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > you took a common expression, > and made it as sexual deviant. sorry it must be an American expression. Screw the pooch has only one meaning over here In article <47bc859a$0$30981$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... - -"crownfield" <crownfield@verizon.net> wrote in message -news:MPG.222572938fe247199897f8@news.verizon.net... -> In article <47bb7e91$0$30945$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- -> 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... -> - -> -"crownfield" <crownfield@verizon.net> wrote in message -> -news:MPG.22253b815c0d0add9897f5@news.verizon.net... -> -> In article <47bb41b4$0$30977$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- -> -> 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... -> -> - -> -> -"crownfield" <crownfield@verizon.net> wrote in message -> -> -news:MPG.2224d6f69272711e9897ec@news.verizon.net... -> -> -> In article <47b9fd38$0$30995$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- -> -> -> 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... -> -> -> -snip -> -> -> - -> -> -> - -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> Now will you please killfile the lying little amateur cuntbubble? -> -> -> - -> -> -> -hey look Scotties is talking about me again, can't you leave me -> alone -> -> -> (translation from weasel talk) -> -> -> -> -> -> everyone look the other way while i do the weasel dance: -> -> -> -> -> -> tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp -> -> -> tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity -> -> -> tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap -> tap -> -> -> tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap -> tappy -> -> -> tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy -> -> -> -> -> -> see? I win! -> -> - -> -> -and we have a WINNER -> -> - -> -> -congratulations well done -> -> -> -> if you only knew how to snip and attribute, -> -> but alas, you screwed the pooch. -> - -> -Are you into sex with dogs? If not why did you bring it up -> -> you really are a prevert. -> you took a common expression, -> and made it as sexual deviant. - - -sorry it must be an American expression. Screw the pooch has only one -meaning over here in the eye of the beholder... - - - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net > In article <47bc859a$0$30981$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- > 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > in the eye of the beholder... nothing to do with eyes unless you mean the pooches browneye > "crownfield" <crownfield@verizon.net> wrote in message >> -sorry it must be an American expression. Screw the pooch has only one >> -meaning over here >> >> in the eye of the beholder... > > nothing to do with eyes unless you mean the pooches browneye Oh. My. God. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com In article <47bca5a2$0$30942$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... - -"crownfield" <crownfield@verizon.net> wrote in message -news:MPG.22266e8e7cc7a6379897fa@news.verizon.net... -> In article <47bc859a$0$30981$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- -> 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... -> - -> -"crownfield" <crownfield@verizon.net> wrote in message -> -news:MPG.222572938fe247199897f8@news.verizon.net... -> -> In article <47bb7e91$0$30945$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- -> -> 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... -> -> - -> -> -> -> -> -> if you only knew how to snip and attribute, -> -> -> but alas, you screwed the pooch. -> -> - -> -> -Are you into sex with dogs? If not why did you bring it up -> -> -> -> you really are a prevert. -> -> you took a common expression, -> -> and made it as sexual deviant. -> - -> - -> -sorry it must be an American expression. Screw the pooch has only one -> -meaning over here -> -> in the eye of the beholder... - -nothing to do with eyes unless you mean the pooches browneye for the confused...: dechucka@vomithotmail, it means that you interpret what you see through the eyes of the beholder (yourself) and explain what you see in terms of your own experience. if you see dog sex, then that must be your experience. interesting. - - - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net > > In article <47bb7e91$0$30945$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- > > 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > sorry it must be an American expression. Screw the pooch has only one > meaning over here here it a euphemism for making a big mistake. I'd guess that it's probably considered a pretty big mistake to screw the pooch in Australia... at least as long as there are sheep around. >> > In article <47bb7e91$0$30945$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- >> > 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > least > as long as there are sheep around. while in America bestiality is best I think it is illegal still in Australia. By the way New Zealand is not part of Australia and they and the Welsh are the ones who like sheep ( also people from US states that start with O ) > sorry it must be an American expression. Screw the pooch has only one > meaning over here Which seems to be about the same thing as all your other expressions. Seek help. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>>>>> Were you going to pick one? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > What a whining little bitch. great reply are you tripping on something? maybe you took to many "green pills" on the last truck drive > If Futile John ever wanted to know what it looks like when he cries a > little tear and slithers out on his belly, here it is. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > until -this- piece of sh.t, after which you then post ten more times in > the next two hours, even though the "markets are closing". no you tried to "troll" and I couldn't be bothered playing with you after awhile and spat the hook > Even more "John Like" (read: cowardly), was how you snipped and snipped > away each of my questions to avoid answering them. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > How -sweet- it is. just because you want to discuss guns doesn't mean that everybody does. Sometimes I am interested in discussing it sometimes I'm not. You are not the ng moderator you cannot deem what people speak about or not. Hey this is just like a group in the pub sometimes a person doesn't want to discuss certain subjects and sometime they like to wind people up and laugh at them. I am sorry for doing that to you Don't cry about now. You had you chance, and scurried in the finest John Francis tradition. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com > Don't cry about now. about what? > You had you chance, and scurried in the finest John Francis tradition. you upset that I spat the hook and walked off? Wouldn't dechucka play your trolling game when you wanted to keep going you have your guns you have your massacres Cool it is really none of my business I just point out that this level of gun violence does not exist in Australia. Someone in another ng said that these shootings don't really matter as it is only Americans killed ( basically you reap what you sow ) but IMHO this is a stupid pov. Hey my eldest may be doing her gap year over in the States so it is a concern to me. Now calm down Popeye and your lapdogs go and give your guns a polish and snarl at Hilary. PS Popeye to many of the green pills while driving seem not to be good for you Don't whine and cry. You made an accusation. I proved you wrong. You scurried like a Canadian roach. It was eeeeeeeeeeasy. You couldn't prove your Yesman accusation then. You can't prove your Yesman accusation now. All you can do is mumble it over and over. Just like your spooning buddy Futile John. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com > Don't whine and cry. I'm not > You made an accusation. did i i thought you started this thread a a troll > I proved you wrong. as if > You scurried like a Canadian roach. we only get German and American roaches over here. Actually not true we have lots of native roaches including iirc the biggest in the world > It was eeeeeeeeeeasy. Shouldn't that be " it was eckeeeeees or some derivative" > You couldn't prove your Yesman accusation then. > > You can't prove your Yesman accusation now. Who is Yesman a friend of yours at a truckies stop? > All you can do is mumble it over and over. > > Just like your spooning buddy Futile John. Just because you like patting Scottie as he sits on your lap doesn't mean we are all into your perversions ps 1 green pill to keep you awake not the whole bottle you are getting paranoid and delusional >> Don't whine and cry. > > I'm not It's all you -can- do. >> You made an accusation. > > did i Dennis will be along to explain it to you. Again. >> You scurried like a Canadian roach. > > we have lots of native roaches including iirc the biggest in the world As we've seen. You may have the Canadians beat. Or not. > Just because you like patting Scottie as he sits on your lap doesn't mean > we are all into your perversions You might as well stick to the infantile mansex predilection- you obviously can't carry anything more cerebral. You think Futile John understands he's this easy? Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>> Don't whine and cry. >> >> I'm not > > It's all you -can- do. of course I forgot you are the self appointed big man of this ng so whatever you say goes >>> You made an accusation. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Again. his he lap baoy 2 or 3 >>> You scurried like a Canadian roach. >> >> we have lots of native roaches including iirc the biggest in the world > > As we've seen. have you here is some information http://www.abc.net.au/creaturefeatures/facts/cockroach.htm > >>> Don't whine and cry. > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of course I forgot you are the self appointed big man of this ng so whatever > you say goes You realize you're cross-posting to aus.sport.scuba again, right? This more of tha on-topic stuff you thought so essential? <snip> Dennis > in >> >> message news:13rk20knvd5eh29@news.supernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > You realize you're cross-posting to aus.sport.scuba again, right? > This more of tha on-topic stuff you thought so essential? not anymore. Why do you think popeye did this on this thread and the Dear john thread 1/2 way through? Do you think he is tripping on something or just a troll? > > in > >> >> message news:13rk20knvd5eh29@news.supernews.com... > >> >>> "dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com> wrote in message news:47ba0274$0$30972$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au... > >> >>> Don't whine and cry. > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > john thread 1/2 way through? Do you think he is tripping on something or > just a troll? Either it was an accident, or he thought it was on-topic. :-) Dennis snip > Either it was an accident, or he thought it was on-topic. :-) actually he was being a troll > in >> >> message news:13rk76orbd3i545@news.supernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Either it was an accident, or he thought it was on-topic. :-) Actually, that particular post had nothing to do with Dipshit. I just let him squall about it for a day. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com > I just let him squall about it for a day. >> I just let him squall about it for a day. Stuttering again, boy? >>> I just let him squall about it for a day. > > Stuttering again, boy? I ain't no nigger >>> >> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> >>> >> wrote [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > I just let him squall about it for a day. can't remember wauling about it last night. Haven't heard squall used in this term for years. In aus normally means a brief rain/wind storm adverse to my type of diving >>>> You scurried like a Canadian roach. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.abc.net.au/creaturefeatures/facts/cockroach.htm No need, when we have one right here on the NG. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>>> You scurried like a Canadian roach. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > No need, when we have one right here on the NG. wrong again i thought I > was a Canadian roach according to you and your lap dogs >>>>>> You scurried like a Canadian roach. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> No need, when we have one right here on the NG. wrong again i thought I >> was a Canadian roach according to you and your lap dogs Getting too upset to post correctly? Anyway, that's not what I said. I said you scurried -like- a Canadian roach. The rest was just you projecting on yourself. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>>>>> You scurried like a Canadian roach. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Getting too upset to post correctly? no I thought the previous post was all you needed > Anyway, that's not what I said. > > I said you scurried -like- a Canadian roach. WOW popeye told me, I'm scared it must be true. BTW I have never heard of a canadian cockroach. > The rest was just you projecting on yourself. Why would I think I'm a movie screen? >>>>>>>> You scurried like a Canadian roach. >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > no I thought the previous post was all you needed Wow. Can't even see the sentence that you wrote, or remember it. Getting more like Futile John every day. >> Anyway, that's not what I said. >> >> I said you scurried -like- a Canadian roach. > > WOW popeye told me, I'm scared it must be true. We know you're scared, and -everyone- watched it happen. And you're still backpedalling from it. I -love- this town. >BTW I have never heard of a canadian cockroach. Whatever. You can't even remember what you wrote in the last post. But we'll defer to your intimate knowledge of roaches. >> The rest was just you projecting on yourself. > > Why would I think I'm a movie screen? There's that ironclad FJ reading comprehension. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>>>>>>> You scurried like a Canadian roach. >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > We know you're scared, and -everyone- watched it happen. Oh you are so right gunman cough > And you're still backpedalling from it. > > I -love- this town. good title for a song >>BTW I have never heard of a canadian cockroach. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > But we'll defer to your intimate knowledge of roaches. cool your ignorance is noted >>> The rest was just you projecting on yourself. >> >> Why would I think I'm a movie screen? > > There's that ironclad FJ reading comprehension. great car http://members.optusnet.com.au/~henley/ breaks were totally f.cked though snip > great car http://members.optusnet.com.au/~henley/ breaks were totally > f.cked though meant brakes. One of the first cars that took me to dive sites was a FJ Holden panel van. Great car lots of the room in the back but totally f.cked brakes but in those days we didn't use them sorry people didn't see that popeyes had cross posted. Must be an innocent mistake like the crossposting of his " dear john " thread suddenly in the middle of it > >>> Were you going to pick one? > > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > What accusations? Uhmmm....your comment that.....Doug...will......not......listen.....to.....a......reasonable...... point......of......view. that is what's being discussed right now, right? <snip> Dennis <snip> > > You clearly stated that I won't "listen to a reasonable point of view and > > debate it". [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > nope Then how do you know they were "reasonable" in the first place? > You started this thread And you've replied to it. Good to see you've a good grasp of the obvious. Dennis >>>>>"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>>>>in [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > Is this a reference to "American Pie" no that is just your deflection and smoke and mirrors >> You clearly stated that I won't "listen to a reasonable point of view and >>debate it". [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > You started this thread OH MY GOD > >>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote > >>>> in [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > You started this thread Translation: "I [, dechucka,] concede the point." -"dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com> wrote in message -news:47b9044c$0$30982$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au... -> -> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in -> message news:13ri0tuk7elj953@news.supernews.com... ->> "dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com> wrote in message ->> news:47b90110$0$30967$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au... ->>> ->>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote ->>> in ->> ->>>> That's why I said to read it carefully. ->>> ->>> I did ->>>> ->>>> Which figures weren't legit? ->>> ->>> source ->> ->> Pick one, we'll review it together. - - Were you going to pick one? - ->>>> And it's your turn. ->>> ->>> to do what? ->> ->> Provide evidence that confiscating guns lowered the crime rate. ->> ->>>>>> http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/australiaguns.html ->>>>>> ->>>>>> Rear the facts and numbers -carefully-. ->>>>> ->>>>> you may enjoy those facts so much you want to "rear" them but well I'm ->>>>> not that way ->>>> ->>>> Stick to the point. ->>>> ->>>>>>>> How many Aussie criminals turned in their guns, do you think? ->>>>>>>> ->>>>>>>> I'm not going to drag you kicking and screaming along like I do ->>>>>>>> Futile John. ->>>>>>> ->>>>>>> no matter what you and your mates think you haven't done a very good ->>>>>>> job ->>>>>> ->>>>>> That's your partisan opinion, but the facts are on my side. ->>>>>> ->>>>>> Among several other points, -no one- here will debate me issue for ->>>>>> issue on Gun Control in general, or American gun control in specific. ->>>>>> ->>>>>> Futile John has fled screaming several times, including just last ->>>>>> week. ->>>>> ->>>>> because you won't listen to a responable point of veiw and debate it ->>>> ->>>> Sure I will. ->>> ->>> turned over a new leaf? ->> ->> Well, you've got the challenge to respond to. -> -> why bother -> ->> ->>>> Let's have one from you. ->>>> ->>>> Try one of his, if you want. ->>> ->>> why? ->> ->> Well, you said that I don't debate "reasonable" (I think) points, and ->> you seem to be curious about this issue. -> -> I am -> ->> ->> So pick one of those "reasonable" points of Futile Johns', and we'll ->> talk about it. -> -> let him argue the point - - Well, now you seem to be porking the pie. - - You clearly stated that I won't "listen to a reasonable point of view and -debate it". - - I then offered to, and you've refused. He expounds, not reasons. you have cornered him with a very reasonable request, where he will have to use facts and make sense. like jof, he can not do that, so watch the dancing weasel act. tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy tapp tap tappity tapppy tap tap tapety tap tappy tappy Tahh DaaaaHHHHH! - - Can you at least name -one- "reasonable" point of view that I've refused -to argue? - - - --- - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net >>>"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in >> [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > let him argue the point i hear the scurry and run by yet another that really do not really understand the gun issue or have an effective means of controlling 'their' fears or prejudices >>>>"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>>>in [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > understand the gun issue or have an effective means of controlling 'their' > fears or prejudices It's pretty easy to identify, isn't it? Futile John must be proud. :-) Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in >> [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > because you won't listen to a responable point of veiw and debate it that is because they aren't reasonable, and its the same mantra - ban all guns >>>> You're going to have to do a little thinking. >>>>"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>>>in [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > that is because they aren't reasonable, and its the same mantra - ban all > guns as a gun owner who uses it as a tool for work that would be a stupid bloody thing <SNIP> > > http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/australiaguns.html > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > because you won't listen to a responable point of veiw and debate it That presumes JOF has a "responable" point of view on the subject. Dennis > <SNIP> >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > That presumes JOF has a "responable" point of view on the subject. lot of his pov are crap, that is what normally happens when you get people arguing from both ends of the spectrum. The answer lays in the middle probably > Dennis > > <SNIP> > >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > arguing from both ends of the spectrum. The answer lays in the middle > probably So if you think lots of JOF's pov are crap, why use "because you won't listen to a responable point of view and debate it" when Doug mentioned how JOF ran away when Doug tried to do so? Heck, you've been dodging nicely yourself, rather than engage in a debate Doug's offered. Here's your chance. Dennis >> > <SNIP> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > yourself, rather than engage in a debate Doug's offered. Here's your > chance. because I didn't say "all" his povs. Popeyed trolled he hasn't got the bite he wanted ( sh.t he even cross posted the " dear john" thread to aus.scuba ) you and scott trying to act as berley isn't working either > >> > <SNIP> > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > because I didn't say "all" his povs. Didn't say you did - note th euse of the word "lots". However, when you say "that is what haoppens when you get people arguing from both ends of the s[ectrum" does tend to imply that you think JOF's pov, regarding guns..is crap. Maybe that's not what you menat though - ok. So which of JOF's POVs do you find "reasonable" or at least "non-crap"? > Popeyed trolled he hasn't got the bite he wanted ( sh.t he even cross posted > the " dear john" thread to aus.scuba ) you and scott trying to act as berley > isn't working either Might've been an accident - you can see how hat can happen, right? Or he might've considered ot relevant to both groups. :-) Dennis >> >> > <SNIP> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Didn't say you did - note th euse of the word "lots". thus not saying all |
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