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Scuba Forum / General / March 2008My March Florida Trip
I'll be flying into Tampa on the 9th and will be staying in Clearwater until the 12th. I'm not certain where I'll go after that but I will be flying out of Miami the morning of the 16th (Sunday morning). I have no definite plans from the 12th-15th. SE diving is awesome this time of year as long as the winds don't kick up. Great vis and temps 68-72. > I'll be flying into Tampa on the 9th and will be staying in Clearwater > until the 12th. I'm not certain where I'll go after that but I will > be flying out of Miami the morning of the 16th (Sunday morning). I > have no definite plans from the 12th-15th. John, If you have a car, your best bet would be Key Largo, about an hour south of Miami, and do some reef diving, or do the Spiegel Grove wreck. People on this group have recommended Silent World, though I have not used them. Quiescence would be another, I have used years gone by, but have seemed to keep their reputation over the years. You could go an hour north for drift diving with Splashdown Divers in Boynton Beach. Or, go diving with the manatee at Crystal River, near Clearwater. For Boynton: http://www.splashdowndivers.com/ For Key Largo, Quiescence can be found at : http://www.keylargodiving.com/ You can check out Crystal River at: http://www.manatee-central.com/ Hope this gives you some choices. George > I'll be flying into Tampa on the 9th and will be staying in Clearwater > until the 12th. I'm not certain where I'll go after that but I will > be flying out of Miami the morning of the 16th (Sunday morning). I > have no definite plans from the 12th-15th. >John, >If you have a car, your best bet would be Key Largo, about an hour south of >Miami, and do some reef diving, or do the Spiegel Grove wreck. People on >this group have recommended Silent World, though I have not used them. Thanks George. I may have been one of those that suggested Silent World. I dove with them in September. I have 5 dives on the Grove. >Quiescence would be another, I have used years gone by, but have seemed to >keep their reputation over the years. You could go an hour north for drift >diving with Splashdown Divers in Boynton Beach. Or, go diving with the >manatee at Crystal River, near Clearwater. >For Boynton: >http://www.splashdowndivers.com/ Thanks for the link. >For Key Largo, Quiescence can be found at : > >http://www.keylargodiving.com/ I'll check them out but I think I'll stick with Silent World unless Quiescence can talk me (i.e. I can Jew them down) out of it. >You can check out Crystal River at: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >George Thanks George. I appreciate the info. I was mainly letting the group know my itinerary though. I've dove with a couple of the Floridian members here. >> I'll be flying into Tampa on the 9th and will be staying in Clearwater >> until the 12th. I'm not certain where I'll go after that but I will >> be flying out of Miami the morning of the 16th (Sunday morning). I >> have no definite plans from the 12th-15th. > Quiescence can talk me (i.e. I can Jew them down) out of it. What a classy phrase. >> Quiescence can talk me (i.e. I can Jew them down) out of it. > >What a classy phrase. I hoped it would appeal to you, Greg;-) >>> Quiescence can talk me (i.e. I can Jew them down) out of it. >> >>What a classy phrase. > > I hoped it would appeal to you, Greg;-) Don't let Greg fool you. He used to be Jewish, but he's a Democrat now.  Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>> Quiescence can talk me (i.e. I can Jew them down) out of it. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > He used to be Jewish, but he's a Democrat now. to be PC, does that make him a "Goliath Pooper"? >>>>> Quiescence can talk me (i.e. I can Jew them down) out of it. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > to be PC, does that make him a "Goliath Pooper"? And why did they change the name of the Jew fish to mamouth Grouper ? > And why did they change the name of the Jew fish to mamouth Grouper ? Because they found out that it couldn't haggle? SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >> And why did they change the name of the Jew fish to mamouth Grouper ? > >Because they found out that it couldn't haggle? >See NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. snicker >> And why did they change the name of the Jew fish to mamouth Grouper ? > > Because they found out that it couldn't haggle? Anyone that thinks a Goliath Grouper/Jewfish can't haggle has never hooked or speared one. Lee > >> And why did they change the name of the Jew fish to mamouth Grouper ? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Lee What about the Guinnie Pigs? What about Polish sausage? What about African American - should be American first? Sticks and NAMES will never hurt anybody! Get over it. I call them Goliath Jewfish. LOL, Have a 'walking-on-eeg-shells' day, don't offend anybody. >> Don't let Greg fool you. >> >> He used to be Jewish, but he's a Democrat now. > > to be PC, does that make him a "Goliath Pooper"? ***** (five stars) esg > >> Quiescence can talk me (i.e. I can Jew them down) out of it. > > >What a classy phrase. > > I hoped it would appeal to you, Greg;-) We don't get many anti-semites out this way so it's refreshing to know bigotry and racism are still alive and well in America. Between you, Lee, and Scott the entire gamut of intolerance is well-represented. >> >> Quiescence can talk me (i.e. I can Jew them down) out of it. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >bigotry and racism are still alive and well in America. Between you, >Lee, and Scott the entire gamut of intolerance is well-represented. Never did figure out why the Jew's needed a specific word to describe people that hate them and the rest of us don't> > >We don't get many anti-semites out this way so it's refreshing to know > >bigotry and racism are still alive and well in America. Between you, > >Lee, and Scott the entire gamut of intolerance is well-represented. > > Never did figure out why the Jew's needed a specific word to describe > people that hate them and the rest of us don't Misogynists hate women. Homophobes hate gays. Is there a group that hates white male rednecks that you know of, that goes around burning crosses and painting swastikas on the trailers or bars (i.e. places of worship) of white male rednecks? Maybe for you, Rod, we need a new word. Antibubbites? Trailerphobes? Hickgynists? >> >We don't get many anti-semites out this way so it's refreshing to know >> >bigotry and racism are still alive and well in America. =A0Between you, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Maybe for you, Rod, we need a new word. Antibubbites? >Trailerphobes? Hickgynists? Actually Greg, your funny for a fat ol liberal >>>We don't get many anti-semites out this way so it's refreshing to know >>>bigotry and racism are still alive and well in America. Between you, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Maybe for you, Rod, we need a new word. Antibubbites? > Trailerphobes? Hickgynists? How 'bout GunNuts >"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message news:fe9d90b2-0252-4311-b722-d6c678ffa502@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >> >We don't get many anti-semites out this way so it's refreshing to know >> >bigotry and racism are still alive and well in America. Between you, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Maybe for you, Rod, we need a new word. Antibubbites? >Trailerphobes? Hickgynists? Shouldn't that be misohicks? http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=miso- misogynists hate women, misandrists hate men, misanthropes hate people Dennis On Feb 17, 8:02 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > >"Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Shouldn't that be misohicks?http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=miso- > misogynists hate women, misandrists hate men, misanthropes hate people Sorry, you're right. Hickgynist must be the Latin term for farm woman. So much for my non-Catholic upbringing, I never learned any of this stuff. I bet my Hebrew is better than yours, though. On Feb 17, 8:02 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > >"Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message <snip> >> >Maybe for you, Rod, we need a new word. Antibubbites? >> >Trailerphobes? Hickgynists? >> >> Shouldn't that be misohicks?http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=miso- >> misogynists hate women, misandrists hate men, misanthropes hate people >Sorry, you're right. Hickgynist must be the Latin term for farm >woman. So much for my non-Catholic upbringing, I never learned any of >this stuff. I bet my Hebrew is better than yours, though. No doubt. Shalom. Denis On Feb 20, 7:50 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > On Feb 17, 8:02 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > wrote:> >"Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Shalom. L'Chaim. ----------------------------------------------- On Feb 17, 1:10 pm, log_...@verizonnet.addthedot (Rod) wrote: > >We don't get many anti-semites out this way so it's refreshing to know > >bigotry and racism are still alive and well in America. Between you, > >Lee, and Scott the entire gamut of intolerance is well-represented. > > Never did figure out why the Jew's needed a specific word to describe > people that hate them and the rest of us don't Misogynists hate women. Homophobes hate gays. Is there a group that hates white male rednecks that you know of, that goes around burning crosses and painting swastikas on the trailers or bars (i.e. places of worship) of white male rednecks? Maybe for you, Rod, we need a new word. Antibubbites? Trailerphobes? Hickgynists? -------------------------------------------------- It's good to know that you're not a bigot. > Is there a group that hates white male rednecks that you know of, that > goes around burning crosses and painting swastikas on the trailers or > bars (i.e. places of worship) of white male rednecks? Anti Defanation League? Black Panthers? Al Quada? > > Is there a group that hates white male rednecks that you know of, that > > goes around burning crosses and painting swastikas on the trailers or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Black Panthers? > Al Quada? Cite? As for the last, I doubt there were too many rednecks working in the World Trade Center. I think they have a urine test for that now. > > Is there a group that hates white male rednecks that you know of, that > > goes around burning crosses and painting swastikas on the trailers or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Black Panthers? > Al Quada? LA faggot liberal lawyers? >> > Is there a group that hates white male rednecks that you know of, that >> > goes around burning crosses and painting swastikas on the trailers or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > LA faggot liberal lawyers? is there anything that you are not phobic about Scooties? > On Feb 17, 1:10 pm, log_...@verizonnet.addthedot (Rod) wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > It's good to know that you're not a bigot. Of course I'm a bigot. I'm bigoted against racist scum. > It's good to know that you're not a bigot. The greatest bigot posting here, ever. > Never did figure out why the Jew's needed a specific word to describe > people that hate them and the rest of us don't. Hearing a magnum bigot like Mossman whine about the "intolerance" of others is just another epitomic example of why he is such a piece of sh.t. >> Never did figure out why the Jew's needed a specific word to describe >> people that hate them and the rest of us don't. > > epitomic I hate the use of a noun "epitome" as an adjective. >>Quiescence can talk me (i.e. I can Jew them down) out of it. > > What a classy phrase. I liked it ;-) >>>Quiescence can talk me (i.e. I can Jew them down) out of it. >> >> What a classy phrase. > >I liked it ;-) Why? You don't like Jews? >>>>Quiescence can talk me (i.e. I can Jew them down) out of it. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Why? You don't like Jews? yeah I like em. In fact I have no reason to dislike em >>>>>Quiescence can talk me (i.e. I can Jew them down) out of it. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >yeah I like em. In fact I have no reason to dislike em Then why did you like the phrase? >>>>>>Quiescence can talk me (i.e. I can Jew them down) out of it. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Then why did you like the phrase? I think its cute, it is a rather common phrase <snip> >>>>>>What a classy phrase. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >I think its cute, it is a rather common phrase Really? I guess we travel in different circles. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Really? I guess we travel in different circles. That;s a fact, Jack! very different indeed <snip> >>>>Then why did you like the phrase? >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >That;s a fact, Jack! very different indeed And I thank god for it. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And I thank god for it. you'll never know how much I am glad for that > <snip> >>>>>Then why did you like the phrase? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > And I thank god for it. which god? >><snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > which god? my god >>><snip> >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> which god? > my god is your God any good? I'm very disappointed with the current batch; seem to cause more trouble then they are worth. >>>><snip> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I'm very disappointed with the current batch; seem to cause more trouble > then they are worth. supposedly he is perfect >>>>><snip> >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > supposedly he is perfect "he"? why aren't to many present gods female >>>>>><snip> >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > "he"? why aren't to many present gods female Female gods are more compassionate, most of the time. But they become dangerously unstable periodically. Modern civilization has found it easier to deal with less compassionate, but more predictable male gods. Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American. ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >>>>>>><snip> >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Modern civilization has found it easier to deal with less compassionate, > but more predictable male gods. done the world good hasn't it :-( should come up with a better God, maybe homosexual or transsexual and have the best of all worlds > Really? I guess we travel in different circles. It's an older phrase... You don't hear it that much anymore... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >> Really? I guess we travel in different circles. > >It's an older phrase... You don't hear it that much anymore... No, not among civilised people. Neo-Nazis & skin-heads, perhaps... > No, not among civilised people. Being civilized is entirely overrated... > Neo-Nazis & skin-heads, perhaps... No, maybe before your time... I remember it being used back in the '60s and '70s... I don't remember it being used as a derogatory comment towards the Jews either... It was just a saying... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >> No, not among civilised people. > >Being civilized is entirely overrated... Well, I know it is to you, as are all laws that impede your "personal freedoms," whatever they might be. Damn anarchists... ;-) >> Neo-Nazis & skin-heads, perhaps... > >No, maybe before your time... I remember it being used back in the '60s >and '70s... I don't remember it being used as a derogatory comment towards >the Jews either... It was just a saying... No, I'm 54, and it was never "just a saying." I heard it once as a kid and didn't understand it, which was fine since there is nothing to understand. The inference was that Jews were parsimonious & money-grubbing, a belief from the Middle Ages, back when pogroms were in style, anti-Semitism was somewhat more popular, and Jews were the fall-guys for just about everything. Remember Shylock from Shakespeare? I thought we had moved past those times. Maybe not. > No, I'm 54, and it was never "just a saying." I heard it once as a > kid and didn't understand it, which was fine since there is nothing to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > for just about everything. Remember Shylock from Shakespeare? I > thought we had moved past those times. Maybe not. You obviously haven't met John's pal jAnus. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com > Well, I know it is to you, as are all laws that impede your "personal > freedoms," whatever they might be. Damn anarchists... ;-) Well, I thought about being an anarchist one time, but there were too many meetings that you had to go to... Too much planning and organization... <obnoxious-grin> > No, I'm 54, and it was never "just a saying." I heard it once as a kid > and didn't understand it, which was fine since there is nothing to > understand. OK, so maybe it just was just different up there in the frozen north... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. > The inference was that Jews were parsimonious & money-grubbing, a > belief from the Middle Ages, back when pogroms were in style, > anti-Semitism was somewhat more popular, and Jews were the fall-guys > for just about everything. Remember Shylock from Shakespeare? I > thought we had moved past those times. Maybe not. Dictionaries will note that the use of "Jew" as a verb is considered extremelely offensive, as is the use of "Jew" as an adjective ("Jew lawyer" is the example most often provided :). The use of Jew by itself has no negative connotation and is perfectly acceptable to describe a member of the Jewish faith. That some here would use words/usages considered extremely offensive to others is hardly surprising. I'm sure some of them still use the just-as-offensive "N" word to describe black people as well. Certainly we've heard our loud drunk Northwest buddy use the "R" word to describe Muslim Arabs and the "F" word to describe gays enough times here. We've heard anti-Muslim propaganda and anti-Mexican propaganda. The use of the "J" word shouldn't be shocking, merely revealing. >> The inference was that Jews were parsimonious & money-grubbing, a >> belief from the Middle Ages, back when pogroms were in style, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >propaganda. The use of the "J" word shouldn't be shocking, merely >revealing. Yeah, it shouldn't be surprising with some of this crew. >>That some here would use words/usages considered extremely offensive >>to others is hardly surprising. You mean like "redneck," "psychopath," and "gun nut?" >>>That some here would use words/usages considered extremely offensive >>>to others is hardly surprising. > > You mean like "redneck," "psychopath," and "gun nut?" <cough> Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>>That some here would use words/usages considered extremely offensive >>>>to others is hardly surprising. >> >> You mean like "redneck," "psychopath," and "gun nut?" > > <cough> hope that last pill and furball came up > >>That some here would use words/usages considered extremely offensive > >>to others is hardly surprising. > > You mean like "redneck," "psychopath," and "gun nut?" Is redneck really so offensive? It should be. Rednecks are rednecks by choice. If they're born that way, they owe it to themselves to get a life. Psychopath? That's merely a clinical label. Persons so afflicted shouldn't be offended merely because they're provided an accurate diagnosis. Gun nut? Again, people aren't born gun nuts, they're gun nuts by choice. What's especially offensive about a racial slur is that the victim of the slur can't change who he or she is. If I were truly offended by the Jew comment and it made be ashamed of my Jewishness, there's not a thing I can do about it because I was born that way. Same for black people, Muslim Arabs, and gays. That you can't see the difference is yet another reason why you can't recognize the racism in yourself that it patently obvious to the rest of us. On Feb 18, 5:27 pm, "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >>That some here would use words/usages considered extremely offensive > >>to others is hardly surprising. > > You mean like "redneck," "psychopath," and "gun nut?" +Is redneck really so offensive? It should be. Rednecks are rednecks by choice. If they're born that way, they owe it to themselves to get a life. I would be offended if called a redneck because rednecks are so offensive +Psychopath? That's merely a clinical label. Persons so afflicted shouldn't be offended merely because they're provided an accurate diagnosis. they should be shot by gun nuts. Sorry didn't see what you had next +Gun nut? Again, people aren't born gun nuts, they're gun nuts by choice. should be killed by the physchos by a knife in the shower, might make a good movie. Can't come up with a title. +What's especially offensive about a racial slur is that the victim of the slur can't change who he or she is. If I were truly offended by the Jew comment and it made be ashamed of my Jewishness, there's not a thing I can do about it because I was born that way. Same for black people, Muslim Arabs, and gays. I used to work for a Rabbi the pay was crap but the tips were good +That you can't see the difference is yet another reason why you can't recognize the racism in yourself that it patently obvious to the rest of us. Sorry for being flippant > What's especially offensive about a racial slur is that the victim of > the slur can't change who he or she is. If I were truly offended by the > Jew comment and it made be ashamed of my Jewishness, there's not a thing > I can do about it because I was born that way. You can't go to the mohel and ask him to glue it back on? > Same for black people Yeah, tell that to Michael Jackson... > Muslim Arabs You don't think that if they gave up on that little carnal knowledge thing with the camels, perhaps their skin would get lighter, their noses smaller, and they wouldn't stick as much? > That you can't see the difference is yet another reason why you can't > recognize the racism in yourself that it patently obvious to the rest of > us. I'm not a racist... I'm an equal opportunity sociopath... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >>What's especially offensive about a racial slur is that the victim of >>the slur can't change who he or she is. If I were truly offended by the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I'm not a racist... I'm an equal opportunity sociopath... I second that - honesty in its truest form! Greg Mossman wrote: >> What's especially offensive about a racial slur is that the victim of >> the slur can't change who he or she is. If I were truly offended by the >> Jew comment and it made be ashamed of my Jewishness, there's not a thing >> I can do about it because I was born that way. You certainly can change what you are. Being a Jew, beyond your childhood, is a choice, one that is easily changed. Besides, you're only half one, remember? Unlike you, my second wife was born to a Jewish family. She was a Jew all the way. At some time, while she was a child, her father was "saved." He converted so thoroughly that his orthodox family held a service to commemorate his death. He went to to gain a Christian education and became an Evangelistic Christian preacher in S. Georgia. My wife and her mother both converted as well. She remains a devout Christian to this day. I, the alleged racist, married someone with a stronger Jewish heritage than you claim. Can you claim anything even close to being as relgiously neutral? >> Same for black people Generally true for black people. Not true for Jews. >> Muslim Arabs Another religous choice easily changed. Not true for them either. Lee > I, the alleged racist, married someone with a stronger Jewish heritage than > you claim. Can you claim anything even close to being as relgiously neutral? My mother is Jewish, therefore I am Jewish. Your wife's Jewish heritage is no stronger than mine. A lot of racists are hypocrites. Some of the cruelest southern slave owners had no problem having sex with black women. > My mother is Jewish, therefore I am Jewish. Your wife's Jewish heritage > is no stronger than mine. In a lot of ways, it makes sense to trace your ancestry by way of the mother... Up until relatively recently, it was the only one of your ancestors that you could really be sure about... These days, with surrogate mothers and such, you can't even be sure of that... > A lot of racists are hypocrites. Some of the cruelest southern slave > owners had no problem having sex with black women. Yeah, and Aussies have sex with their livestock also... What's your point? One could easily argue that they were just performing selective breeding to improve the attributes of their 'livestock'... Or they were just some horny old farts that would stick their dicks in anything as long as it was female and walked on two legs... You know, kind of like sailors... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >> My mother is Jewish, therefore I am Jewish. Your wife's Jewish heritage >> is no stronger than mine. Your mother chose to be Jewish. If you're Jewish too, it's by choice, not by birth, assuming, of course you've reached the age of reason. Come to think of it, perhaps you are Jewish by birth. Lee > >> My mother is Jewish, therefore I am Jewish. Your wife's Jewish heritage > >> is no stronger than mine. > > Your mother chose to be Jewish. My mother was born Jewish because her mother was born Jewish. You really don't get it, do you. "As a result, mere belief in the principles of Judaism does not make one a Jew. Similarly, non-adherence by a Jew to the Jewish principles of faith, or even formal conversion to another faith, does not make one lose one's Jewish status. Thus the immediate descendants of all female Jews (even apostates) are still considered to be Jews, as are those of all her female descendants. Even those descendants who are not aware they are Jews, or practice a faith other than Judaism, are technically still Jews, as long as they come from an unbroken female line of descent. As a corollary, the children of a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother are not considered to be Jews by Orthodoxy or Conservatism unless they formally convert, even if raised practicing Judaism." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_jew#Traditional_Rabbinic_Halakhic_perspective Unbroken female line of descent from the original Jewish mother, Eve. If that's not a "race", I don't know what is. >>> My mother is Jewish, therefore I am Jewish. Your wife's Jewish heritage >>> is no stronger than mine. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If you're Jewish too, it's by choice, not by birth, assuming, of course > you've reached the age of reason. not according to Hitler. sh.t does mean the thread is over >> My mother is Jewish, therefore I am Jewish. Your wife's Jewish heritage >> is no stronger than mine. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Yeah, and Aussies have sex with their livestock also... What's your point? what is it with you and Zoophilia. Your not a horses hoof are you or worse a Hilary supporter > Greg Mossman wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You certainly can change what you are. Being a Jew, beyond your childhood, > is a choice, one that is easily changed. bullshit you can't have your foreskin put back on > > Greg Mossman wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > bullshit you can't have your foreskin put back on I bet you can. If a chick can have her "virginity" (read hymen) restored, I'd be willing to bet you could find a plastic surgeon who was willing to restore your foreskin. http://www.cirp.org/pages/restore.html >> > Greg Mossman wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > http://www.cirp.org/pages/restore.html you're weird why would anybody google for this information > you're weird why would anybody google for this information Probably for the same reason that anyone else googles for something around here... To prove someone else wrong... You have to be careful about making absolute claims around here... Someone might just go to the effort to find the exception... I would have to thank Chris for exposing me to some information that I can quite frankly say that I would have been quite satisfied in not knowing... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >> you're weird why would anybody google for this information > > Probably for the same reason that anyone else googles for something around > here... To prove someone else wrong... <http://xkcd.com/386/> John > >> you're weird why would anybody google for this information > > > > Probably for the same reason that anyone else googles for something around > > here... To prove someone else wrong... > > <http://xkcd.com/386/> It's not so much that you see with your eyes, as perceive with your mind... Ask any cop who has had to rely on eye witness'. > <http://xkcd.com/386/> Funny site... http://xkcd.com/224 SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >> <http://xkcd.com/386/> > > Funny site... > > http://xkcd.com/224 Larry Wall for President :-) > >> > Greg Mossman wrote: > >> > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > you're weird why would anybody google for this information You brought it up. Same for black > people, Muslim Arabs, and gays. Ah yes, all sons of Abraham. > Same for black >> people, Muslim Arabs, and gays. > > Ah yes, all sons of Abraham. sh.t he got around > Same for black >> people, Muslim Arabs, and gays. > > Ah yes, all sons of Abraham. Well, except for gays... Those would be "the daughters that Abraham always wanted", right? <snicker> SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >>>That some here would use words/usages considered extremely offensive >>>to others is hardly surprising. > >You mean like "redneck," "psychopath," and "gun nut?" That's bizarre. You compare those words to religious/racial epithets. I didn't think that rednecks, psychopaths and gun nuts were a race. Do you think they constitute a single race or 3 distinct races? Or maybe you think they make a religion, or 3. Even Doogie said "I'm a redneck, by common definition, from East Tennessee." He seems to glory in it -- maybe you should be proud of it, too. Few of us really care one way or the other. I think you recently called yourself a "cracker," which I thought had racist connotations. Wouldn't you rather be called a redneck than a cracker? Maybe not. Even if you're using the term "cracker" meaning poor, southern white trash, it's still not a great self-description. >>>>That some here would use words/usages considered extremely offensive >>>>to others is hardly surprising. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > cracker? Maybe not. Even if you're using the term "cracker" meaning > poor, southern white trash, it's still not a great self-description. actually cracker does not come from poor southern white trash. I thought I read at one time that the term cracker comes from the slaves days when slave owners used whips on the slaves - and 'cracked' their whips. I think many believe it refers to a white cracker such as saltine or similar objects - I don't think that is true. Greg's explanation in a previous post was quite good. As sort of an apology to Greg and others of the Jewish persuasion, my use of 'Jew' in a previous post was not meant as an insult or other diminutive remark as it may have seemed. While some here maybe I am a redneck or racist I am in reality neither, I have an enormous disdain for all lazy a.ses regardless of color, creed, or heritage. I apologize to Greg if my remark in anyway offended him. As an aside - my ancestors never had any slaves and I do not believe that I owe the blacks any reparations for previous incidents of slavery, bigotry, or racism. > actually cracker does not come from poor southern white trash. I thought I > read at one time that the term cracker comes from the slaves days when > slave owners used whips on the slaves - and 'cracked' their whips. Actually, it comes from the use of whips to drive cattle. Florida has never been a particularly strong supporter or user of slave labor. In fact, a substantial number of escaped slaves fled to Florida where they joined and interbred with the Indian tribes already here. The evidence of their presence is quite evident in the physical attributes of today's Seminoles and Mikosukees. >> actually cracker does not come from poor southern white trash. I thought >> I read at one time that the term cracker comes from the slaves days when >> slave owners used whips on the slaves - and 'cracked' their whips. > > Actually, it comes from the use of whips to drive cattle. Florida has > never been a particularly strong supporter or user of slave labor. so what's your attitude now? > >> actually cracker does not come from poor southern white trash. I thought > >> I read at one time that the term cracker comes from the slaves days when [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > so what's your attitude now? IIRC, he's against it. Dennis On Feb 23, 4:18 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > > >> actually cracker does not come from poor southern white trash. I > thought [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > IIRC, he's against it. Only because he feels slave labor is affirmative action. Why should blacks automatically get all the good slave jobs? >> > Actually, it comes from the use of whips to drive cattle. Florida has >> > never been a particularly strong supporter or user of slave labor. >> >> so what's your attitude now? I was about to say that I'm against it, but thought again. I'll explain. I'm all for equality, real equality, not preferential treatment of minorities and women. Shared opportunities to get a job keep it or lose it. Same pay for the same job. Affirmative action and today's politically correct diversity, are discrimination. In fact, it's discrimination against a minority. White men are a minority in the US and in the US work force. Unlike Greg, who thinks sub standard wages for illegal immigrants who have little or no choice, is good for them, good for the economy and good for the country, I think that only legal immigrants should be employed in the US and that those that are legal, should share in the equality mentioned above. The only people employing illegal immigrants is good for is people like Greg, who think they have the right to profit at the expense of those who have no choice. Personally, I think that sounds a lot like slavery. The exception to my feelings about slavery relates to those incarcerated for crimes against citizens of the U.S. I favor requiring them to work for their food, housing and privileges. I think chain gangs are a dandy way to reduce the cost of incarcerating criminals and I don't give a damn about how demeaning it may be to be seen on a chain gang. If you don't want to be known as a criminal, don't be one. Simple. Since forced labor and incarceration sounds, to me, to be even closer to slavery than the way Greg thinks things should be, I'll have to live with the fact that I do, in this limited sense, believe in slavery. I sincerely hope that those who are subjected to it, dislike it enough that they're willing to change their ways if not because it's the right thing to do, then to keep from being a slave again. Lee > Unlike Greg, who thinks sub standard wages for illegal immigrants who have > little or no choice, is good for them, good for the economy and good for the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > who think they have the right to profit at the expense of those who have no > choice. Personally, I think that sounds a lot like slavery. How can you say that those who chose to endure the hardships it takes to cross the border and survive illegally here did not choose to do that? They had a perfectly good choice: stay in a country where they could earn less than a dollar an hour working in miserable conditions, or work in a country where they can earn over $8.00/hour (California's new minimum wage), with working conditions guaranteed safe by OSHA and federal and state labor laws. How can you possibly say they didn't have a choice? A few million Mexicans made the choice to move, the rest made the choice to stay. Most of the illegals here can go back any time they choose. Heck, they don't even have to pay for a bus ticket. > Since forced labor and incarceration sounds, to me, to be even closer to > slavery than the way Greg thinks things should be, I'll have to live with > the fact that I do, in this limited sense, believe in slavery. I sincerely > hope that those who are subjected to it, dislike it enough that they're > willing to change their ways if not because it's the right thing to do, then > to keep from being a slave again. If we could all agree on the laws, that would be one thing. There are quite a few people doing hard labor for victimless crimes. >>>>That some here would use words/usages considered extremely offensive >>>>to others is hardly surprising. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That's bizarre. You compare those words to religious/racial epithets. > I didn't think that rednecks, psychopaths and gun nuts were a race. They're not. Neither is Jew, whether used as a verb, noun or adgitive. They are "words/usages considered extremely offensive to others," which is what was referenced. More importantly, they were used specifically with the intent of being offensive to those they were applied to, unlike the "Jew down" statement. > Even Doogie said "I'm a redneck, by common definition, from East > Tennessee." Greg said he was half Jewish too, or did you forget that? > He seems to glory in it -- maybe you should be proud of it, too. For the > record, I'm a Cracker, and I am proud of it. I suggest you avoid using the > term in my immediate presence the way the terms redneck, psychopath and > gun nut have been used here. If, on the other hand, you want to talk about > my skills in the Everglades, feel free to compare me to Crackers as a > group. > Few of us really care one way or the other. Interesting that you would spend so much time on something you don't care about. > I think you recently called yourself a "cracker," which I thought had > racist connotations. Wouldn't you rather be called a redneck than a > cracker? Maybe not. Even if you're using the term "cracker" meaning > poor, southern white trash, it's still not a great self-description. Your ignorance is not my problem. Redneck has a different connotation, and source. It's inaccurate. Lee > Greg said he was half Jewish too, or did you forget that? Which meant that he went with a discount mohel... One that gave him "half off"? SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >> Greg said he was half Jewish too, or did you forget that? > > Which meant that he went with a discount mohel... One that gave him "half > off"? I have no idea, but I do know I'm not going there. > They're not. Neither is Jew, whether used as a verb, noun or adgitive. They > are "words/usages considered extremely offensive to others," which is what > was referenced. More importantly, they were used specifically with the > intent of being offensive to those they were applied to, unlike the "Jew > down" statement. The "Jew down" statement offends every Jew. Why don't you call your wife's Jewish relatives and see how they appreciate when you use the phrase during your conversation? >>They're not. Neither is Jew, whether used as a verb, noun or adgitive. They >>are "words/usages considered extremely offensive to others," which is what [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > wife's Jewish relatives and see how they appreciate when you use the > phrase during your conversation? If the predominant middle east immigrant group in the last 100+ years had been arabs, we'd be saying something like "raghead down". THe jews ust got here first with their bargaining ways. Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American. ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 > If the predominant middle east immigrant group in the last 100+ years had > been arabs, we'd be saying something like "raghead down". THe jews ust got > here first with their bargaining ways. Or "Ferengi down"... Ever notice the names of the actors who play the Ferengis on Star Trek? Kind of using stereotypes it seems... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >>>>>That some here would use words/usages considered extremely offensive >>>>>to others is hardly surprising. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >intent of being offensive to those they were applied to, unlike the "Jew >down" statement. I already explained the connotation of "Jew down," but you apparently don't understand. Again. Whether Jews are a race or not can be debated, but Judaism is definitely a religion. >> Even Doogie said "I'm a redneck, by common definition, from East >> Tennessee." > >Greg said he was half Jewish too, or did you forget that? So what? An offensive phrase is an offensive phrase. Regardless, Your Master loves being a redneck -- why don't you? >> He seems to glory in it -- maybe you should be proud of it, too. For the >> record, I'm a Cracker, and I am proud of it. I suggest you avoid using the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Interesting that you would spend so much time on something you don't care >about. It was your illogical train of thought, again, that got me interested. >> I think you recently called yourself a "cracker," which I thought had >> racist connotations. Wouldn't you rather be called a redneck than a >> cracker? Maybe not. Even if you're using the term "cracker" meaning >> poor, southern white trash, it's still not a great self-description. > >Your ignorance is not my problem. Your incomprehension isn't my problem. >Redneck has a different connotation, and source. It's inaccurate. Are you trying to say "redneck" is a nastier word/phrase than "Jew down?" Wow. Amazing, even for a cracker. > I already explained the connotation of "Jew down," but you apparently > don't understand. Again. I understand just fine. Some that are Jewish take offense to the reference. The point is, the one complaining the most about a term not used with derrogatory intent is one of the most frequent users of reference with exactly that intent. > Whether Jews are a race or not can be debated, but Judaism is definitely a > religion. No debate. Jews are not a race. > So what? An offensive phrase is an offensive phrase. Regardless, > Your Master loves being a redneck -- why don't you? I don't have a master. I don't live being a redneck because I'm not one. >>Interesting that you would spend so much time on something you don't care >>about. > > It was your illogical train of thought, again, that got me interested. Not mine. I'm a responder to this thread. Look further to find the source. >>Your ignorance is not my problem. > > Your incomprehension isn't my problem. Your presumption is your problem. >>Redneck has a different connotation, and source. It's inaccurate. > > Are you trying to say "redneck" is a nastier word/phrase than "Jew > down?" Wow. Amazing, even for a cracker. Nope. Guess I'm not the one that lacks comprehension. What I am saying is that "Jew Down" was not used in a deliberately hurtful, derrogatory manner. Redneck, psychopath and other terms by Greg were. Just in case that's not clear, I am saying that it certainly is worse to use such terms with intent to hurt than it is to use any term, no matter how emotionally or ethnically charged, without similar intent. If I were to call a person a black person a Nigger, it would be a reasonable assumption I meant it in a derrogatory way. If I were to mention that my car is Nigger rigged, it might be offensive to those that react to the word Nigger, but it's not nearly the same. It's a term I grew up with without realizing its racial implications until I was an adult. If I were to refer to Swamp Niggers, it might also offend someone that is black even though the term refers to a group that, to the best of my knowledge, is exclusively white. If I were to say "call a spade a spade" 9 out of ten people would not even catch the ethnic aspect. By they way, Cracker is capitalized and your use of it above seems, to me, to be intentionally derrogatory. Lee > > I already explained the connotation of "Jew down," but you apparently > > don't understand. Again. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > No debate. Jews are not a race. Too bad Lee wasn't around to tell Hitler that. Hitler didn't give a damn about religion, so I doubt he killed 6,000,000 of us just because he didn't like Kosher meat or Hebrew prayers. Hitler wanted to "purify" the white (Aryan) race by killing off the Jewish race. If Lee had only told him that Jewishness was simply a religion like Hare Krishna or Scientology, he could have staved off the Holocaust. > Nope. Guess I'm not the one that lacks comprehension. What I am saying is > that "Jew Down" was not used in a deliberately hurtful, derrogatory manner. > Redneck, psychopath and other terms by Greg were. Just in case that's not > clear, I am saying that it certainly is worse to use such terms with intent > to hurt than it is to use any term, no matter how emotionally or ethnically > charged, without similar intent. How can you use a patently offensive term on a public newsgroup without it being deliberately hurtful? Surely you don't take John Hanson to be such a moron that he had no idea "Jew down" is offensive? > If I were to call a person a black person a Nigger, it would be a reasonable > assumption I meant it in a derrogatory way. > If I were to mention that my car > is Nigger rigged, it might be offensive to those that react to the word > Nigger, but it's not nearly the same. It's a term I grew up with without > realizing its racial implications until I was an adult. It is completely the same. If John Hanson was to say "the dive boat captain is a nigger", that's extremely offensive to black people and white people alike because it's simply offensive. His "Jew down" phrase is likewise. That you rednecks don't understand this is just another reason why we think you're all a bunch of utter morons. > Too bad Lee wasn't around to tell Hitler that. Hitler didn't give a > damn about religion, so I doubt he killed 6,000,000 of us just because [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > religion like Hare Krishna or Scientology, he could have staved off > the Holocaust. Revisionist history. In addition to the Jews, Hitler killed off an equal number of Poles, Lithuanians, Russian POWs, Romanians and other slavs, plus gays, the mentally retarded, Jehovah's Witnesses and political dissidents. The Jews, in marketing the holocaust, generally ignore the other 6 million slaughtered, although they all ended up in the same ovens. > Hitler wanted to "purify" the white (Aryan) race by killing off the Jewish > race. If Lee had only told him that Jewishness was simply a religion like > Hare Krishna or Scientology, he could have staved off the Holocaust. <TOTALLY-POLITICALLY-INCORRECT> Awh, Hitler was just afraid the Aryan's would find out that they had a taste for kike nookie and would go back to kraut pussy again... </TOTALLY-POLITICALLY-INCORRECT> > How can you use a patently offensive term on a public newsgroup without > it being deliberately hurtful? Surely you don't take John Hanson to be > such a moron that he had no idea "Jew down" is offensive? Well, John is a Yankee... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. > >They're not. Neither is Jew, whether used as a verb, noun or adgitive. They > >are "words/usages considered extremely offensive to others," which is what [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Whether Jews are a race or not can be debated, but Juda |
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