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Scuba Forum / General / April 2008Recreation Scuba Issues
Like to ask some question. Why is it Anti-American to complain about people using Rec.Scuba for their political bandwagon? *I* have never noticed a directly Anti-American remark but have seen many Anti-Canadian comments. I have noticed personal abuse and they may have been directed at US Citizens but in the most we don't know where you are from and I don't think in most case anyone here represents a whole country. Why is ok to be Anti-Canadian but not anti-American? What has presidential candidates, guns, killing power of this or that bullet got to do with Scuba. Why do people have to personally abuse each other no matter how stupid they may seem. Once I was told people wanted to treat this as a biker bar and chat about crap. It is not a bikers bar they have beer, bars, pool tables and people standing in them. This is a place to gain information about scuba although I think most people may be giving up on that. Biker bars junkies try to rec.bike, rec.pub, rec.talk.politics or something similar.  Signature____________________________ Lee E. J. Arnould Web Slave http://www.ScubaZine.com mb:0419896933 skype:scubazine msn:scubazine > Why is ok to be Anti-Canadian but not anti-American? People hate Americans because they are jealous of us... That's not really possible with regards to Canadians, so our anti-Canadian leanings are just us having fun razzing the caribou-f.ckers... > What has presidential candidates, guns, killing power of this or that > bullet got to do with Scuba. Ever hear of bang sticks? Ever consider that the far left moonbats are more likely to try to restrict our liberties and that includes when and where we might go diving? It's rec.scuba and since the internet was created here, that means that it is American... We allow ya'll to have your little locale-specific newsgroups (e.g. aus.sport.scuba, uk.rec.scuba, japan.sports.scuba-diving, tamu.scuba, etc), but first and foremost, rec.scuba is American... As such, we talk about what we want... If you don't like it, feel free to create your own newsgroup and talk to yourself.. > Why do people have to personally abuse each other no matter how stupid > they may seem. Why do Kiwis like to f.ck sheep? Some things aren't meant to be understood... > Once I was told people wanted to treat this as a biker bar and chat > about crap. It is not a bikers bar they have beer, bars, pool tables and > people standing in them. This is a place to gain information about scuba > although I think most people may be giving up on that. I'm drinking a beer right now... Some people probably have pool tables at their homes... We've already discussed every subject to death, but if you think that you can come up with something that we haven't discussed, feel free to start a new thread... > Biker bars junkies try to rec.bike, rec.pub, rec.talk.politics or > something similar. And why don't you just go off to aus.sook? SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >> Why is ok to be Anti-Canadian but not anti-American? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Ever consider that the far left moonbats Don't forget- the Moon is an American territory- Finders, keepers. > are more likely to try to > restrict our liberties and that includes when and where we might go [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > such, we talk about what we want... If you don't like it, feel free to > create your own newsgroup and talk to yourself.. He's already done that- They were dissing him about it on UKRS the other day. >> Why do people have to personally abuse each other no matter how stupid >> they may seem. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > And why don't you just go off to aus.sook? WELCOME TO REC.SCUBA, -a.shole- :-) Sorry for the accidental crossposting. I didn't see the header. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >> Ever consider that the far left moonbats > > Don't forget- the Moon is an American territory- > > Finders, keepers. Only if the residents have the means to hold on to it. Imagine that, the second amendment is even important in space. > Sorry for the accidental crossposting. > I didn't see the header. Neither did I until you mentioned it. Thanks for the warning. Lee >>> Ever consider that the far left moonbats >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Lee Hey, the Soviet space station has duns. Whats the problem > Like to ask some question. > > Why is it Anti-American to complain about people using Rec.Scuba for their > political bandwagon? It's not. What's Anti-American is whining motherf..kers coming in here from inconsequential third world shitholes like yours, and making scores, if not hundreds, of comments about Americans, American politics, and the American way of life. Dechucka has been doing it for years. It's probably from bitterness about his grandmum getting knocked up by a Marine back when we saved your country in WW2. Australian women were known world wide back then for being pretty easy (compared to prudish American chicks)(and I doubt it's changed, not since I was in Perth). >*I* have never noticed a directly Anti-American remark In your opinion. > but have seen many Anti-Canadian comments. > I have noticed personal abuse and they may have been directed at US > Citizens but in the most we don't know where you are from and I don't > think in most case anyone here represents a whole country. > > Why is ok to be Anti-Canadian but not anti-American? That situation doesn't exist here. It's only your ignorance of the matter at hand. We Americans get lots of international leg humping here, jealousy and angst mostly, from others that choose to be here just to make their foreign views known. It's because no other country wields the power and responsibility that we do, and criticism comes easy from the cheap seats. I note that you have twice participated in gun control arguments and been run off with your tail between your legs, BUT, after having foisted your ignorant opinion on the group first. That's pretty chickenshit. And pretty hypocritical. > What has presidential candidates, guns, killing power of this or that > bullet got to do with Scuba. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > standing in them. This is a place to gain information about scuba although > I think most people may be giving up on that. Basing that on your extensive posting history here? Rec.scuba is one of the oldest scuba forums in existence. More -unedited- and/or -unmoderated- scuba information has been presented here than anywhere else. I myself have been here in excess of 10 years, some since the early 90's- are you honestly arrogant enough to think we should all change "what is" just to suit your personal whims? At the snap of your fingers? That we digress into OT posting is the difference between this forum, and your -dead- a.s forum, which, in it's past, has been as volatile as this place. It's because we've discussed just about every -interesting- scuba topic there is to death, and, several times. Yet, within the guidelines of our SOP, we still field frequent questions from all levels of divers. See how kind I'm being to take time out from abusing Dechuka to answer -your- (OT) inquiry. I like it just fine here, just the way it is. I've met over 100 of my fellow Rec.scubans at this point, from 4 countries, been diving with them in scores of places, slept at their homes. Accumulated more than 1000 dives in 10 years, with the help and knowledge of these people right here. Just who the f.ck are you? > Biker bars junkies try to rec.bike, rec.pub, rec.talk.politics or > something similar. Good luck with your a.s. Speaking of which, don't let the internet slam you in it on your way out. Oh, and, sorry for the "accidental" crosspost. Again. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com > It's because no other country wields the power and responsibility that > we do, and criticism comes easy from the cheap seats. might also have something to do with your attitude like the way you have insulted my country and its people in you response is just one simple example. I have never said anything negative about your. Also Rec.Scuba is not just America it is world-wide. > I note that you have twice participated in gun control arguments and > been run off with your tail between your legs, No I found your arguments back lacking in any strength and not worth commenting on similar to this crap you have presented here. > BUT, after having foisted your ignorant opinion on the group first. once again you get personal. The original post was not cross posted. I believe you did that just to piss people off. It worked. At least we have the balls to apologise if we have crossed posted in error as I did earlier. A real apology not just some point scoring set of words. Have a nice day. Signature____________________________ Lee E. J. Arnould Web Slave http://www.ScubaZine.com mb:0419896933 skype:scubazine msn:scubazine >> It's because no other country wields the power and responsibility that >> we do, and criticism comes easy from the cheap seats. > > might also have something to do with your attitude like the way you have > insulted my country Just giving my opinion, no matter how factual it may be. What does this have to do with scuba, BTW? > and its people in you response is just one simple example. I have never > said anything negative about your. > > Also Rec.Scuba is not just America it is world-wide. I never said it wasn't. That doesn't mean that any idiot with an opinion about me or my country will go unopposed. >> I note that you have twice participated in gun control arguments and >> been run off with your tail between your legs, > > No I found your arguments back lacking in any strength and not worth > commenting on Yet you were back a week later asking the same questions, making the same whining comments. >similar to this crap you have presented here. Yet you choose to respond? >> BUT, after having foisted your ignorant opinion on the group first. > > once again you get personal. It's a statement of fact. That you take "ignorant" as an insult is your own choice. > The original post was not cross posted. I believe you did that just to > piss people off. It worked. At least we have the balls to apologise if we > have crossed posted in error as I did earlier. A real apology not just > some point scoring set of words. Riiiiiight (after Dechucka did it, that is). Did you have some scuba content, or are you just foisting your ignorant opinion on us again? > Have a nice day. Thanks, Bro! I -always- do. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>> It's because no other country wields the power and responsibility that >>> we do, and criticism comes easy from the cheap seats. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > I -always- do. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com Sorry about the cross post... >> Riiiiiight (after Dechucka did it, that is). No I replied in a.r.scuba where his apology did not appear at first wasn't until I checked r.scuba did I see it had appeared there. oh by the way in my opinion you are an ignorant racist red neck fool... oh that is not insult just an opinion. Have a nice life Lee > >> Riiiiiight (after Dechucka did it, that is). > > No I replied in a.r.scuba where his apology did not appear at first wasn't > until I checked r.scuba did I see it had appeared there. Is this another on topic post from you? > oh by the way in my opinion you are an ignorant racist red neck fool... oh > that is not insult just an opinion. Well, I'm ignorant of many things, and maybe I'll give you the "fool" as well, but where did the "racist" and "red neck" come from? That sounds rather "bigoted". More hypocrisy from you? Perish the thought. > Have a nice life I do, thanks! If I was any happier, I'd have to be two people! > Lee Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com Oh. Sorry about the... Never mind. -"ScubaZine" <news@ScubaZine.com> wrote in message -news:13r51lgid80j963@corp.supernews.com... -> Have a nice life - - I do, thanks! - - If I was any happier, I'd have to be two people! and thus you win "The Laugh of the Day Award" !! - -> Lee - - - --- - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net > >> > >> Riiiiiight (after Dechucka did it, that is). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > oh by the way in my opinion you are an ignorant racist red neck fool... > oh that is not insult just an opinion. And you're entitled to your opinion, however wrong, inaccurate, and misguided it may be. It's an opinion of your very own. You only got one out of four right. there are folks who are proud to be red necks. Dennis ScubaZine wrote >> oh by the way in my opinion you are an ignorant racist red neck fool... >> oh that is not insult just an opinion. Hmmm, you got one out of four right. Popeye is kind of a redneck. So are quite a few of the rest of us. Do you know what a Cracker is (me)? Dennis wrote > And you're entitled to your opinion, however wrong, inaccurate, and > misguided it may be. It's an opinion of your very own. > You only got one out of four right. there are folks who are proud to be > red > necks. Great minds work alike. If I'd read your statement first, I would not have bothered to add my own. Lee > ScubaZine wrote > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Great minds work alike. If I'd read your statement first, I would not have > bothered to add my own. Thank you, Lee. SignatureDennis Zathras '08 >ScubaZine wrote > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Hmmm, you got one out of four right. Popeye is kind of a redneck. So are >quite a few of the rest of us. Do you know what a Cracker is (me)? On my first visit to Florida, my buddy Mike (whom I was visiting) and I were standing on the bridge over Haulover Canal on the Indian River in Titusville when a 50 something, deeply tanned, potbellied white guy cruised passed us in a bass boat with a hound dog laying lazily at the bow enjoying the wind blowing in his face. We both watched the man until he went under the bridge when we both turned and Mike said, "now there's a Florida cracka". - - >> - >> Riiiiiight (after Dechucka did it, that is). - -No I replied in a.r.scuba where his apology did not appear at first -wasn't until I checked r.scuba did I see it had appeared there. - -oh by the way in my opinion you are an ignorant racist red neck fool... -oh that is not insult just an opinion. ignorant opinions like that are cheap and meaningless. - -Have a nice life - -Lee - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net > >> Riiiiiight (after Dechucka did it, that is). > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Lee and before they start whinning http://www.wesh.com/news/15298911/detail.html > and before they start whinning > http://www.wesh.com/news/15298911/detail.html Too late. > Also Rec.Scuba is not just America it is world-wide. The Internet is American... We just let ya'll use it... Look up ARPANET... Now shut the f.ck up or we'll cut your cable to your island, just like we did to the Middle East recently... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. > might also have something to do with your attitude like the way you have > insulted my country and its people in you response is just one simple > example. I have never said anything negative about your. Never used the term "Septic?" Sometimes the innocent get caught up in the backlash. Become part of the group and you'll have a lot better luck changing things. There's at least one Australian and at least one Canadian in this group that are well respected by pretty much everybody. >> I note that you have twice participated in gun control arguments and >> been run off with your tail between your legs, > > No I found your arguments back lacking in any strength and not worth > commenting on similar to this crap you have presented here. You're complaining about how you're treated here, and then post crap like this? You must enjoy the abuse. Get ready, some more will soon be on its way. Lee >> might also have something to do with your attitude like the way you have >> insulted my country and its people in you response is just one simple [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > There's at least one Australian and at least one Canadian in this group > that are well respected by pretty much everybody. and maybe one septic >>> I note that you have twice participated in gun control arguments and >>> been run off with your tail between your legs, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Lee > I've met over 100 of my fellow Rec.scubans at this point, from 4 > countries, been diving with them in scores of places, slept at their > homes. Hmmm, I've met some from Scotland (no diving), some from Canada (a few dives and a couple from there that I still like), some from England (lots of dives), some from Germany (lots of dives), some from Australia (lots of dives) and some from Singapore (lots of dives) right off the top of my head. I've purchased diving equipment here, that I went over there, twice. I think I have you beat on diversity, but you have me, hands down, on numbers. > Accumulated more than 1000 dives in 10 years, with the help and knowledge > of these people right here. I quit counting a long time ago, then started again, then quit again. The notebooks full of dive logs was beginning to take up too much space on the shelves in my reloading room. Lee >> Like to ask some question. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > not hundreds, of comments about Americans, American politics, and the > American way of life. Hey Popeye Inconsequential it certainly is. A shithole it is not. The only ones who think it matters are the lefties in this country - they fondly imagine that our opinion carries weight around the world. I recently came back from Nevada/Nthn Az/SoCal and in nearly a month of reading the LA Times, the only mention of Oz was re the Australian Open tennis. I agree with you on the cheap seats stuff, the envy stuff, the fact that the US occupies a particular position etc but Oz is hardly up there with Indo, Malaya etc etc in the shithole stakes. You might want to rethink that bit. Re the gun sh.t, more of us have guns than you might assume. I don't like rifles myself, I have handguns despite the lefties' best efforts to take them off me. Had a blast of a time in the Las Vegas Gun Store recently with an M-16 and a hundred rounds. Don't go assuming that your experience with some is the attitude of the many - there is more support for America here than you would imagine from the popular scum press. (tautological, I know, but scum and press just seem to roll off the tongue here) Chill a bit. Come back soon (I live south of Perth, btw) > Re the gun sh.t, more of us have guns than you might assume. I don't like > rifles myself, I have handguns despite the lefties' best efforts to take > them off me. Had a blast of a time in the Las Vegas Gun Store recently > with an M-16 and a hundred rounds. Next time you're in the States, give us some warning and we'll arrange for you to waste a lot more ammunition than that. I probably shoot more than 100 rounds out of each of my AR-15s one or two times a month. Lee >> Re the gun sh.t, more of us have guns than you might assume. I don't >> like rifles myself, I have handguns despite the lefties' best efforts to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Lee Back in about 3 years. Planning on buying a boat in the 40+ft mark in Fl and then on up the East Coast at our leisure for the big retirement trip. > Back in about 3 years. > Planning on buying a boat in the 40+ft mark in Fl and then on up the East > Coast at our leisure for the big retirement trip. Motor or sail? >> Back in about 3 years. >> Planning on buying a boat in the 40+ft mark in Fl and then on up the East >> Coast at our leisure for the big retirement trip. > > Motor or sail? Sail. Something like (but not necessarily) a Tayana 43 or a Gozzard if I suddenly inherit a fortune. Lots in Florida that people aren't using any longer. > Hey Popeye > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Chill a bit. Come back soon > (I live south of Perth, btw) He's just lettin' then have it with both barrels. Popeye would give you the shirt off his back, what he wont do is sit idly by while septic cuntbubbles Like Francis, Mossman and upchuck try to shove their ideology and way of thinking up everyone's a.s. Popeye paid for his freedom, in full, lickspittle schoolgirls like Francis, Mossman and upchuck didn't pay for anything. > > Hey Popeye > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > while septic cuntbubbles Like Francis, Mossman and upchuck try to shove > their ideology and way of thinking up everyone's a.s. I seem to remember giving Popeye the shirt off my back once, and I never, ever tried to shove anything up his a.s. My last house did have a septic tank, but now I'm 100% sewer. > Popeye paid for his freedom, in full, lickspittle schoolgirls like Francis, > Mossman and upchuck didn't pay for anything. I've probably paid more taxes in my lifetime than you'll ever earn. My money bought and paid for several Marines. I've even offered to pay you the high wages to clean my toilet that I currently pay my Spanish-speaking cleaning lady if you'll dress up in a French-maid's outfit for me. Now if you're making the claim that those of us who went to college or work instead of signing up for the military "didn't pay for anything", then you have a long list of your fellow me-tooers to include in your slander: Joe, Chris, Curtis, Lee, Dennis, none of them "paid for anything" either. What scumballs. > Re the gun sh.t, more of us have guns than you might assume. I don't like > rifles myself, I have handguns despite the lefties' best efforts to take them > off me. Had a blast of a time in the Las Vegas Gun Store recently with an > M-16 and a hundred rounds. I was there in Jan. Had a great time with an Uzi and an MP5. Even the girlfriend loved. What sort of shooting do you do? I'm in WA too and shoot IPSC at pine valley. Guess shooting and diving go hand in hand. : ) Fraser >> Re the gun sh.t, more of us have guns than you might assume. I don't >> like rifles myself, I have handguns despite the lefties' best efforts to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Fraser >Centrefire and Standard under WAPA. I'm in Bunbury. Hoges in WA >> Like to ask some question. >> [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] > > Speaking of which, don't let the internet slam you in it on your way out. sorry did I upset you >>> Like to ask some question. >>> [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > > sorry did I upset you Uh, no. I wasn't even talking to you. What a dipshit. We can tell, from your ten mansex posts so far today, they -you're- upset, though. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>> Like to ask some question. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 111 lines] > > What a dipshit. sorry with all the references to dechucka I thought you were talking about me > We can tell, from your ten mansex posts so far today, they -you're- > upset, though. what is it with you and mansex? I know from your photos you have manboobs but that doesn't explain your fascination with backdooring etc > "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in >>>> Good luck with your a.s. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > sorry with all the references to dechucka I thought you were talking about > me With your narcissism? No doubt. >> We can tell, from your ten mansex posts so far today, they -you're- >> upset, though. > > what is it with you and mansex? I know from your photos you have manboobs > but that doesn't explain your fascination with backdooring etc Like I said, at least I'm not too chickenshit to post my picture around here, like some. But it's TMI to know you focus on things like manboobs, or insisting (even after having been told different) that "backdooring" -must- refer to mansex. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > No doubt. what's wrong with narcissism.? Before I dive I always look at my reflection on the ocean and think " you're a fat ugly bastard" >>> We can tell, from your ten mansex posts so far today, they -you're- >>> upset, though. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Like I said, at least I'm not too chickenshit to post my picture around > here, like some. I did pos my photo and now why don't you post the photo of your truck > But it's TMI to know you focus on things like manboobs, or insisting > (even after having been told different) that "backdooring" -must- refer to > mansex. so you backdooring Scott is not a sexual thing? Sorry I am downunder and the OS dialect is very different >>>> We can tell, from your ten mansex posts so far today, they -you're- >>>> upset, though. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I did pos my photo and now why don't you post the photo of your truck It's a pos photo, all right. Chickenshit. Post a photo of -your- truck yet? >> But it's TMI to know you focus on things like manboobs, or insisting >> (even after having been told different) that "backdooring" -must- refer >> to mansex. > > so you backdooring Scott is not a sexual thing? My, aren't you curious about that. >Sorry I am downunder and the OS dialect is very different As far as we can tell, everything in your particular dialect seems to refer to mansex. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>>> We can tell, from your ten mansex posts so far today, they -you're- >>>>> upset, though. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Post a photo of -your- truck yet? I'll do it straight after you. No that is not a mansex thing >>> But it's TMI to know you focus on things like manboobs, or insisting >>> (even after having been told different) that "backdooring" -must- refer [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > My, aren't you curious about that. no >>Sorry I am downunder and the OS dialect is very different > > As far as we can tell, everything in your particular dialect seems to > refer to mansex. on about mansex again. Is it a Marine thing. BTW did you actually actively serve? Have you got a ASM or the equivalent > It's a pos photo, all right. > Chickenshit. > Post a photo of -your- truck yet? He is too guilt ridden by his gender identity issues to realize that pics of your truck are all over. If he asked nice I'd send him one. The truck you drive, and pictures thereof, aren't the issue. I always forget that in situations like this, when We become the object of some lickspittle LA fag or limp-dick Canuck or a scared Aussies affections, they get nasty when rejected. >> It's a pos photo, all right. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of > your truck are all over. If he asked nice I'd send him one. cool do so, put it on the pica whatever cite > The truck you drive, and pictures thereof, aren't the issue. yes they are > I always forget that in situations like this, when We become the object of > some lickspittle LA fag or limp-dick Canuck or a scared Aussies > affections, > they get nasty when rejected. OH Scott I didn't realised you had rejected me. Keeping yourself for poopooeyes is so beautiful > Uh, no. > I wasn't even talking to you. > What a dipshit. > We can tell, from your ten mansex posts so far today, they -you're- upset, > though. Brokeback Walkabout ... You're new here, right? You didn't see everything that led up to the current environment. Stick around a while and you may understand. > Why is ok to be Anti-Canadian but not anti-American? It's not. It just looks that way because there are more of us here than there are of them. Check out UKrec.scuba and, with a little study, you'll find that there are more of them there, than there are of us. We're just smart enough not to take on their most basic freedoms and, therefore, stay out of the kind of trouble several Canadians are having here. > What has presidential candidates, guns, killing power of this or that > bullet got to do with Scuba. What does it matter? This is an unmoderated forum where the members long ago decided was open for whatever discussions happened. We characterize it as being similar to your average dive bar. Everybody here is a diver, but there is more to our lives than diving. > Once I was told people wanted to treat this as a biker bar and chat about > crap. It is not a bikers bar they have beer, bars, pool tables and people > standing in them. This is a place to gain information about scuba although > I think most people may be giving up on that. There's pleny of beer and liquor here. I have a pool shooting game on my computer, does that count? This place is whatever its occupants want it to be. Nothing is more American than freedom of speech. Nothing is more essential to continued free speech than the right to keep and bear arms. > Biker bars junkies try to rec.bike, rec.pub, rec.talk.politics or > something similar. There are other forums that will probably be more to your liking. We like this one the way it is. You're free to stick around, start any scuba discussions you like and learn from some of the most experienced divers you'll ever find, or go someplace more civilized. You're welcome here, but you're also welcome to leave. Your choice. What you're not welcome to do is change us to suit what you prefer. Lee <chop> 1st, they arent questions, they are thinly veiled accusations, and your command of the language or keyboard leaves a lot to be desired. > Biker bars junkies try to rec.bike, rec.pub, rec.talk.politics or > something similar. Did you serve Lee? Reason I ask is I wonder why you think you have ability, privilege or invitation to tell people here what to do or think. > Did you serve Lee? Are you talking to Lee Bell? I don't think he did serve, as a matter of fact. Do you have a problem with that? > Reason I ask is I wonder why you think you have ability, privilege or > invitation to tell people here what to do or think. WTF makes you think you have any ability, privilege, or invitation to tell people anything just because you "volunteered" for the military as a high-school delinquent? If you had stayed in the military and perservered in the military (doubtful) then you may have had clout in the military, but out here in civilian life it doesn't mean bupkus. Heck, even a war hero like John Kerry simply threw his medals away. WTF makes you think you have any ability, privilege, or invitation to tell people anything just because you "volunteered" for the military as a high-school delinquent? If you had stayed in the military and perservered in the military (doubtful) then you may have had clout in the military, but out here in civilian life it doesn't mean bupkus. Heck, even a war hero like John Kerry simply threw his medals away. "None of us give a sh.t. Take your podium somewhere where people care. This is a scuba forum." Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com <chainsaw more of Mossmans brand of insanity> > "None of us give a sh.t. Take your podium somewhere where people > care. This is a scuba forum." http://www.wesh.com/news/15298911/detail.html > <chainsaw more of Mossmans brand of insanity> > > > "None of us give a sh.t. Take your podium somewhere where people > > care. This is a scuba forum." > > http://www.wesh.com/news/15298911/detail.html "Former NASA engineer Jim Oberg, who is an author and journalist, wrote about the gun on his Web site. He said the gun has no place in an environment where people are under such high stress. "There have been cases of severe psychological strain on people in space, strain that they have taken out -- that their shipmates worried about the ultimate actions," Oberg said. "Experts said the idea of an astronaut losing control was unthinkable until one year ago, when Lisa Nowak shattered the myth." Ya mean someone might lose control and start shooting up the place? My point exactly. Thanks for posting it. On Feb 14, 9:06 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote: > "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in > messagenews:13r73gcpa13ume6@news.supernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.wesh.com/news/15298911/detail.html "Former NASA engineer Jim Oberg, who is an author and journalist, wrote about the gun on his Web site. He said the gun has no place in an environment where people are under such high stress. "There have been cases of severe psychological strain on people in space, strain that they have taken out -- that their shipmates worried about the ultimate actions," Oberg said. "Experts said the idea of an astronaut losing control was unthinkable until one year ago, when Lisa Nowak shattered the myth." Ya mean someone might lose control and start shooting up the place? My point exactly. Thanks for posting it. Guilty before innocent! Besides, it's the same droning noise you made about arming pilots. With, of course, -zero- incidents so far. Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com > On Feb 14, 9:06 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > With, of course, -zero- incidents so far. We keep hearing about shootings in the US downunder. what is the level of deaths from multiple shootings in the US say in the last week? >> On Feb 14, 9:06 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > We keep hearing about shootings in the US downunder. what is the level of > deaths from multiple shootings in the US say in the last week? In -aircraft-??? Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>> On Feb 14, 9:06 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > In -aircraft-??? why restrict it to aircraft lets just go general multiple killings in the US. I understand it has been a bad week even for the US, if only they were carrying. >>>> On Feb 14, 9:06 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > US. I understand it has been a bad week even for the US, if only they were > carrying. I wouldn't have the slightest. What makes you comment on the U.S. in particular? Signature-- Not a claim, merely an observation, Joe. Can you honestly say that in these discussions your ego hasn't swelled even a little with renewed pride over the superiority your guns provide over lesser mortals? -JOF Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>>> On Feb 14, 9:06 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > What makes you comment on the U.S. in particular? Sorry we have reported incidents of multiple gun killing in the US over here. I haven't heard of them from other countries >>>>>>On Feb 14, 9:06 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Sorry we have reported incidents of multiple gun killing in the US over > here. I haven't heard of them from other countries and another today at Northern Illinois University in Dekalb - 18 shot not fatalities as of yet except for the gunman - I believe. Over 30 shots fired - too bad someone other than the qunman was armed. You know the law abiding not able to carry on school property. The scary thing is my youngest daughter attended NIU, she graduated last December. Glad she wasn't there > The scary thing is my youngest daughter attended NIU, she graduated last > December. Glad she wasn't there Me too! (does that count as a "me too"?) Someone's daughter was there during that incident, unarmed, unprotected, unable to do anything but count on the benevolence of the attacker. >> The scary thing is my youngest daughter attended NIU, she graduated last >> December. Glad she wasn't there [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Someone's daughter was there during that incident, unarmed, unprotected, > unable to do anything but count on the benevolence of the attacker. what is the toll in the US this week? >>>>>>On Feb 14, 9:06 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Sorry we have reported incidents of multiple gun killing in the US over > here. I haven't heard of them from other countries Keep up and listen. In U.K. english, canuck, german, russian, chinese, indian, african... Then, and only then, relate it to numbers. Of citizens, of citizens with the right to carry. Of citizens who actually carry. Of perps who acted while having thew right to carry. Matthias > I wouldn't have the slightest. > What makes you comment on the U.S. in particular? It's Valentines Day. >> I wouldn't have the slightest. > >> What makes you comment on the U.S. in particular? > > It's Valentines Day. did poopooeyes buy u flowers? > Guilty before innocent! > Besides, it's the same droning noise you made about arming pilots. > With, of course, -zero- incidents so far. I knew that one would bring him out in Technicolor. On Feb 14, 3:17 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message >> Ya mean someone might lose control and start shooting up the place? >> My point exactly. Thanks for posting it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > With, of course, -zero- incidents so far. Of course. So far. "The gunshot marked the first time a pilot's weapon has been fired on a plane since the flight deck officer program was created following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 . . . air safety experts said the hole, visible in photos obtained by The Associated Press, could have caused the plane to rapidly depressurize had it been in a window at a higher altitude." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080326/ap_on_re_us/gun_on_plane;_ylt=AvCxzjYR85KBCI _7bfNZ0sFI2ocA > Of course. So far. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080326/ap_on_re_us/gun_on_plane;_ylt=AvCxzjYR85KBCI _7bfNZ0sFI2ocA The news media is notoriously inacurate with regards to aviation incidents... The article makes an issue of them being at 8,000 ft and whether the pilots would have enough oxygen to maintain alert... Of course, anyone who know anything about flying would know that you are not even required to have supplemental oxygen at that low of an altitude... Plus, it's not explosive decompression that sucks people out of the planes, it's the fact that the wind outside is a few hundred miles per hour and they are being affected by the turbulence when there is a big hole in the plane... One small .40 hole in the fuselage of an aircraft is not going to cause air to start rushing out... Hell, I doubt anyone would even notice since the air flow would be so slow... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >> Of course. So far. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > not going to cause air to start rushing out... Hell, I doubt anyone would > even notice since the air flow would be so slow... It's the best the gun terror crowd can do. They try to parlay this to equal the wild west sky shootouts they predicted. That they trust a guy to fly them from continent to continent in the dark, 5 or 6 miles in the sky, but they're afraid for him to have a GUN!!! EEeeeek! 30% or better of the airline pilots in the air carry, for the last 5 years. That's hundreds of thousands of trouble free flights, with one minor non-event. It's their usual ploy. Signature-- A skilled, armed man lives on a plane of security and contentment different from that of others. The man who cannot cut it, envies, fears and sometimes hates the man who can. -Cooper Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com On Mar 26, 6:17 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > It's the best the gun terror crowd can do. > They try to parlay this to equal the wild west sky shootouts they > predicted. Cite? I recall predicting wild-west sky shootouts if you allowed passengers to arm themselves. The notion of arming passengers is as silly as it gets. Personally I don't have a problem with arming the pilots if you can't get sky marshals on all flights and if the pilots are adequately trained. But I'd stop there. I've met so many surly unarmed flight attendants, I can't imagine how bad they'd be with a gun to back them up. > It's their usual ploy. No, it's your usual ploy to throw out a red herring. I was just responding to your claim about "zero" incidents. You were starting to sound just like the DIR nuts. All "zero" means is that it hasn't happened yet. Now it has. On Mar 26, 6:17 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > It's the best the gun terror crowd can do. > They try to parlay this to equal the wild west sky shootouts they > predicted. Cite? I recall predicting wild-west sky shootouts if you allowed passengers to arm themselves. The notion of arming passengers is as silly as it gets. Personally I don't have a problem with arming the pilots if you can't get sky marshals on all flights and if the pilots are adequately trained. But I'd stop there. I've met so many surly unarmed flight attendants, I can't imagine how bad they'd be with a gun to back them up. > It's their usual ploy. No, it's your usual ploy to throw out a red herring. I was just responding to your claim about "zero" incidents. You were starting to sound just like the DIR nuts. All "zero" means is that it hasn't happened yet. Now it has. You sound like Hillary describing sniper fire. Signature-- A skilled, armed man lives on a plane of security and contentment different from that of others. The man who cannot cut it, envies, fears and sometimes hates the man who can. -Cooper Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com > The notion of arming passengers is as silly as it gets. Total bullshit as usual, Greg... What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" do you not fuckin' understand? Let's look for a precedence on this... Did the FFs say, "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED EXCEPT WHEN ON A STAGECOACH"? Nope... OK, technically the term "stagecoach" was not around at that time, but they had other forms of coaches for travel even in the 17th century... http://www.anvil.clara.net/stage.htm So, the form of mass transit in the colonial times was coaches and the FFs did not see fit to make an exclusion for the carrying of weapons on it... One of the forms of mass transit in modern times is aircraft and as such, no restriction should be made on the carrying of weapons on them either... Seems pretty fuckin' simple to me... How many years of law school did it take to damage your thinking process? SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. On Mar 26, 6:43 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman581-usenet-2...@spambob.net> wrote: > > The notion of arming passengers is as silly as it gets. > > Total bullshit as usual, Greg... > > What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" do you not fuckin' understand? The preface that places "shall not be infringed" into the context of a state militia. What part of the militia clause do you not fuckin' understand? I have no problem with not infringing the rights of the militia to bear arms, but I have a big problem with allowing any and all American residents to arm themselves with whatever they choose. > Let's look for a precedence on this... Did the FFs say, "SHALL NOT BE > INFRINGED EXCEPT WHEN ON A STAGECOACH"? Nope... OK, technically the term > "stagecoach" was not around at that time, but they had other forms of > coaches for travel even in the 17th century... You can jump off a stagecoach and probably live. Maybe you'll twist your ankle. How do you get off a plane in mid-air while it's traveling 550 mph? The founding fathers, god bless them all, had one obvious limitation to their foresight: they lived in the frickin' 1700s. That's a long fruckin' time ago, even older than my grandma. She can't program a VCR, and I don't expect the founding fathers to be able to either. > So, the form of mass transit in the colonial times was coaches and the FFs > did not see fit to make an exclusion for the carrying of weapons on it... > One of the forms of mass transit in modern times is aircraft and as such, > no restriction should be made on the carrying of weapons on them either... > Seems pretty fuckin' simple to me... How many years of law school did it > take to damage your thinking process? Ya think you could take down the World Trade Center twin towers with a stagecoach? How many years of engineering school taught you that, or is that courtesy of our U.S. Navy educashunal sistemm? I bet even the founding fathers could point out at least several major differences between a 747 and a stagecoach. > The preface that places "shall not be infringed" into the context of a > state militia. What part of the militia clause do you not fuckin' > understand? I have no problem with not infringing the rights of the > militia to bear arms, but I have a big problem with allowing any and all > American residents to arm themselves with whatever they choose. The preface that you mention is just the style of the language of the time, it does not mean that only the militia is supposed to be able to bear arms... It's pretty obvious from reading the Federalist Papers that the FFs were talking about an individual right... But we've discussed this before and you are being too obstinate to even consider the possibility that the FFs would attempt to reinforce a natural born right that all free men have by birthright since it does not coincide with your leftist agenda... > You can jump off a stagecoach and probably live. Maybe you'll twist > your ankle. How do you get off a plane in mid-air while it's traveling > 550 mph? Well, with my plane, I wouldn't have to worry about that since it would be the aircraft that would be leaving me at that speed instead of me leaving it... With regards to airliners though, there is this somewhat recent invention called a 'parachute'... > The founding fathers, god bless them all, had one obvious limitation to > their foresight: they lived in the frickin' 1700s. That's a long > fruckin' time ago, even older than my grandma. She can't program a VCR, > and I don't expect the founding fathers to be able to either. Good thing they didn't say that we have a right to a VCR that doesn't flash 12:00 all the time... > Ya think you could take down the World Trade Center twin towers with a > stagecoach? How many years of engineering school taught you that, or is > that courtesy of our U.S. Navy educashunal sistemm? It might take a few of them... A sufficient quantity of explosives whether carried by horse drawn carriage or by truck could do it... Or they could have just rented a floor towards the bottom and put shaped charges on the support members that went through their office spaces... > I bet even the founding fathers could point out at least several major > differences between a 747 and a stagecoach. Maybe in the quality of the meals? Not sure which is worse though... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >> The preface that places "shall not be infringed" into the context of a >> state militia. What part of the militia clause do you not fuckin' >> understand? We understand perfectly. It appears that the Supreme Court does too. Only you, and other gun nuts like you, fail to get it. The Florida Legislature just handed people like you another whipping. Florida passed a law specifically allowing concealed weapon license holders to retain firearms in their vehicles even when parked on work property. What's really interesting, to me, is that the anti gun people really shot themselves in the foot by tacking on that "concealed license holder" requirement. As a result, I fully expect many, probably most of those who used to legally carry a firearm in their vehicle, either for protection or in order to arrive at work from or depart work to some legal firearm related sport or practice without a permit, to right out and get one. I think it's a reasonable to expect that number of law abiding citizens carrying firearms to increase significantly, all thanks to a group trying to limit exactly that. Nice going, guys. To me, the question is much bigger than the focus of either the pro or anti gun elements. The right to keep and bear arms is an easy to see issue. The right to make decisions as to what is brought to your own property, is a much more complex one. While there certainly is some merit to the belief that business owners have some right to restrict what is brought onto their property, many seem to have forgotten that what we're talking about are things a car owner is carrying in his property. My personal take on it is, if it's legally in your vehicle anywhere, it's legally in your vehicle anywhere. In Florida, a vehicle is legally considered an extension of the home and, in my opinion, nobody has a right to say what, otherwise legal, objects may or may not be there and every bit as importantly, nobody has the right to search that extension of my home, or me, without warrant and due process of law. >> Ya think you could take down the World Trade Center twin towers with a >> stagecoach? How many years of engineering school taught you that, or is >> that courtesy of our U.S. Navy educashunal sistemm? It was damned near done with the modern equivalent, a truck full of fertilizer and fuel oil. Not only do I think it could be done, I think that recent history has proven that it could. Had the truck been full of modern explosive instead of a home brew chemical one, there would have been nothing for the planes to have hit on 9/11. How does it happen you don't see that? Lee On Mar 27, 5:42 am, Grumman-581 <grumman581-usenet-2...@spambob.net> wrote: > > The preface that places "shall not be infringed" into the context of a > > state militia. What part of the militia clause do you not fuckin' [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > With regards to airliners though, there is this somewhat recent invention > called a 'parachute'... The cabin attendant folks never mention those in the pre flight briefing. Are we to assume that's what the drop down masks are for? To provide breathable air for the first few feet of the fall? > > The founding fathers, god bless them all, had one obvious limitation to > > their foresight: they lived in the frickin' 1700s. That's a long [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Maybe in the quality of the meals? Not sure which is worse though... That's why cabin attendants could never be armed. They might make us actually eat that stuff. JF > The cabin attendant folks never mention those in the pre flight briefing. You're requried to furnish your own... http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1147.shtm Just like you have to do if you want decent food... > Are we to assume that's what the drop down masks are for? To provide > breathable air for the first few feet of the fall? No, to keep you conscious until the aircraft gets to an altitude that you can jump from and not need supplemental O2.. SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. > The preface that places "shall not be infringed" into the context of a > state militia. Except that it doesn't, and you should know that. Legal writing of the time often contained non-canonical citations of supporting rationales, but they were not exhaustive. In any event, a lot of states define their militia as every male between 18 and 60. > What part of the militia clause do you not fuckin' > understand? I have no problem with not infringing the rights of the > militia to bear arms, The text clearly states, "the right of the PEOPLE" > The text clearly states, "the right of the PEOPLE" Dude! How the hell are you? Ping me offline. On Mar 27, 7:42 pm, dwee...@gmail.com wrote: > > The preface that places "shall not be infringed" into the context of a > > state militia. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > The text clearly states, "the right of the PEOPLE" As sloppy as they may have been, the Constitution was somewhat carefully drafted. Clearly, if they wanted to make it a simple "right of the People" they wouldn't have bothered with a preface about well- regulated militiae. How many other "rights" clauses contained such a preface? It's open to interpretation and the interpretations have been fine to date. Unfortunately the Republican-stuffed current SC majority will adopt the prevailing yet incorrect propanganda and make new law, just as when they appointed Bush to be our President. So much for conservatism. \ It will be interesting to see how they weasle out of a strict no- regulation-whatsoever interpretation in order to preserve some sanity. Otherwise, I can't wait to buy my fully auto AK-47 at the local WalMart. There is no finer weapon for vehicular defense than the AK. Yee haw! I am the NRA. > On Mar 27, 7:42 pm, dwee...@gmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > adopt the prevailing yet incorrect propanganda and make new law, just > as when they appointed Bush to be our President. I thought the electoral college elected Bush. I don't remember any appointment. In fact, I think that is in direct violation of the constitution. So much for > conservatism. \ > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > local WalMart. There is no finer weapon for vehicular defense than > the AK. Yee haw! I am the NRA. > > On Mar 27, 7:42 pm, dwee...@gmail.com wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > appointment. In fact, I think that is in direct violation of the > constitution. He's never been able to cite any decision appointing Bush as President. I've given him the electoral college totals though. Doesn't seem to get through. No wonder he has trouble understanding the 2nd amendment. Dennis >> > On Mar 27, 7:42 pm, dwee...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > No wonder he has trouble understanding the 2nd amendment. Wonder what the excuse will this time. Three's a charm... :-) Signature-- A skilled, armed man lives on a plane of security and contentment different from that of others. The man who cannot cut it, envies, fears and sometimes hates the man who can. -Cooper Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com > Wonder what the excuse will this time. > > Three's a charm... :-) They'll claim that we're disenfranchising their voters by *only* allowing them to vote *once*... I was riding my motorcycle today and was stuck behind a car at a stop light that had rather noxious fumes coming from its tailpipe... I noticed that it had an Obama bumper sticker on it, so I had to pay a bit of attention to see what sort of idiot drives a car in that bad of shape and would actually vote for Obama... A black woman with 4 kids fairly closely spaced age-wise... Apparently too stupid to know what causes kids also... She's probably too stupid to be able to find the polling place on election day also... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. & |
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