Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother for sitting with a man
A 37-year-old American businesswoman and married mother of three is seeking
justice after she was thrown in jail by Saudi Arabia's religious police for
sitting with a male colleague at a Starbucks coffee shop in Riyadh.
Yara, who does not want her last name published for fear of retribution, was
bruised and crying when she was freed from a day in prison after she was
strip-searched, threatened and forced to sign false confessions by the
Kingdom's "Mutaween" police.
Her story offers a rare first-hand glimpse of the discrimination faced by
women living in Saudi Arabia. In her first interview with the foreign press,
Yara told The Times that she would remain in Saudi Arabia to challenge its
harsh enforcement of conservative Islam rather than return to America.
"If I want to make a difference I have to stick around. If I leave they win.
I can't just surrender to the terrorist acts of these people," said Yara,
who moved to Jeddah eight years ago with her husband, a prominent
businessman.
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Her ordeal began with a routine visit to the new Riyadh offices of her
finance company, where she is a managing partner.
The electricity temporarily cut out, so Yara and her colleagues - who are
all men - went to a nearby Starbucks to use its wireless internet.
She sat in a curtained booth with her business partner in the café's
"family" area, the only seats where men and women are allowed to mix.
For Yara, it was a matter of convenience. But in Saudi Arabia, public
contact between unrelated men and women is strictly prohibited.
"Some men came up to us with very long beards and white dresses. They asked
'Why are you here together?'. I explained about the power being out in our
office. They got very angry and told me what I was doing was a great sin,"
recalled Yara, who wears an abaya and headscarf, like most Saudi women.
The men were from Saudi Arabia's Commission for Promotion of Virtue and
Prevention of Vice, a police force of several thousand men charged with
enforcing dress codes, sex segregation and the observance of prayers.
Yara, whose parents are Jordanian and grew up in Salt Lake City, once
believed that life in Saudi Arabia was becoming more liberal. But on Monday
the religious police took her mobile phone, pushed her into a cab and drove
her to Malaz prison in Riyadh. She was interrogated, strip-searched and
forced to sign and fingerprint a series of confessions pleading guilty to
her "crime".
"They took me into a filthy bathroom, full of water and dirt. They made me
take off my clothes and squat and they threw my clothes in this slush and
made me put them back on," she said. Eventually she was taken before a
judge.
"He said 'You are sinful and you are going to burn in hell'. I told him I
was sorry. I was very submissive. I had given up. I felt hopeless," she
said.
Yara's husband, Hatim, used his political contacts in Jeddah to track her
whereabouts. He was able to secure her release.
"I was lucky. I met other women in that prison who don't have the
connections I did," she said. Her story has received rare coverage in Saudi
Arabia, where the press has been sharply critical of the police.
Yara was visited yesterday by officials from the American Embassy, who
promised they would file a report.
An embassy official told The Times that it was being treated as "an internal
Saudi matter" and refused to comment on her case.
Tough justice
- Saudi Arabia's Mutaween has 10,000 members in almost 500 offices
- Ahmad al-Bluwi, 50, died in custody in 2007 in the city of Tabuk after he
invited a woman outside his immediate family into his car
- In 2007 the victim of a gang rape was sentenced to 200 lashes and six
years in jail for having been in an unrelated man's car at the time. She was
pardoned by King Abdullah, although he maintained the sentence had been fair
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Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 07 Feb 2008 03:49 GMT
Iranian sisters face stoning for adultery: report
Feb 4 07:50 AM US/Eastern
Two Iranian sisters convicted of adultery face being stoned to death after
the supreme court upheld the death sentences against them, the Etemad
newspaper Monday quoted their lawyer as saying.
The two were found guilty of adultery -- a capital crime in Islamic Iran --
after the husband of one sister presented video evidence showing them in the
company of other men while he was away.
"Branch 23 of the supreme court has confirmed the stoning sentence," said
their lawyer, Jabbar Solati.
The penal court of Tehran province had already sentenced the sisters
identified only as Zohreh, 27, and Azar (no age given) to stoning, the daily
said.
Solati explained that the two sisters had initially been tried for "illegal
relations" and received 99 lashes. However in a second trial they were
convicted of "adultery."
The pair admitted they were in the video presented by the husband but argued
that there was no adultery as none of the footage showed them engaged in a
sexual act with other men.
"There is no legal evidence whereby the judge could have the knowledge for
issuing a stoning sentence," Solati said, adding that he had appealed to the
state prosecutor.
"The two sisters have been tried twice for one crime," Solati protested.
Under Iran's Islamic law adultery is theoretically punishable by stoning,
although in late 2002 judiciary head Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi
issued a writ suspending such executions.
However in July 2007, Jafar Kiani was stoned to death for adultery in a
village in the northwestern province of Qazvin in a rare execution by
stoning that provoked a wave of international outrage.
Capital offences in Iran include murder, rape, armed robbery, serious drug
trafficking and adultery. Iran currently makes more use of the death
penalty -- almost always by hanging -- than any other country apart from
China.
Zohreh's husband -- who accused his wife and her sister in January 2007 of
having extra-marital affairs -- had planted a camera in his house in a bid
to catch them in the act.
"She did not treat me well and her actions made me feel she did not want to
live with me any more," said the husband, who was not named.
"To make sure I planted a camera in the house... When I watched the tape two
days after, I found out that she and her sister brought over men after I
left and had relationships with them," he said.
Zohreh said she had an edgy relationship with her husband because of the
strict limits he imposed on her life.
"I was a teacher and loved my job but my husband did not let me work... he
was always suspicious of me and thought our differences were because I had
an affair," she was quoted as saying by the daily.
"I do not approve the confessions that I made in the investigation phase and
I deny what I said," she said.
Etemad reported that the husband of the other sister, Azar, had not filed
any complaint against her.
Scott - 07 Feb 2008 05:28 GMT
> Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother for sitting with a man
> A 37-year-old American businesswoman and married mother of three is seeking
> justice after she was thrown in jail by Saudi Arabia's religious police for
> sitting with a male colleague at a Starbucks coffee shop in Riyadh.
<snip>
You cant save 'em.
You cant even lead them to water.
They'll get it after a hundred thousand or so get incinerated.
3,000 on one sunny day wasn't enough.
Rod - 07 Feb 2008 14:14 GMT
>> Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother for sitting with a man
>> A 37-year-old American businesswoman and married mother of three is
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>3,000 on one sunny day wasn't enough.
Easy now Scott, if it wasn't for them, where would we prove out our
new weapons ?
Greg Mossman - 07 Feb 2008 16:11 GMT
On Feb 6, 7:47 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
<Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother for sitting with a man
> A 37-year-old American businesswoman and married mother of three is seeking
> justice after she was thrown in jail by Saudi Arabia's religious police for
> sitting with a male colleague at a Starbucks coffee shop in Riyadh.
Saudi Arabia is an American ally in the War on Terror (even though it
was Saudis that did 9/11, go figure) and personal friends to the Bush
Administration (even though it was Saudis that did 9/11, go figure).
How dare you criticize them.
Grumman-581 - 07 Feb 2008 16:17 GMT
> Saudi Arabia is an American ally in the War on Terror (even though it
> was Saudis that did 9/11, go figure) and personal friends to the Bush
> Administration (even though it was Saudis that did 9/11, go figure). How
> dare you criticize them.
You can't resist commenting on the off topic threads, can you? <snicker>

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Greg Mossman - 07 Feb 2008 16:53 GMT
On Feb 7, 8:19 am, Grumman-581 <grumman581-usenet-2...@spambob.net>
wrote:
> > Saudi Arabia is an American ally in the War on Terror (even though it
> > was Saudis that did 9/11, go figure) and personal friends to the Bush
> > Administration (even though it was Saudis that did 9/11, go figure). How
> > dare you criticize them.
>
> You can't resist commenting on the off topic threads, can you? <snicker>
Just as I can't resist commenting on spam sometimes. It's hard to
step in sh.t and not yell "sh.t!".
But I don't make the sh.t, I just comment on it.
Grumman-581 - 07 Feb 2008 17:06 GMT
> But I don't make the sh.t, I just comment on it.
I believe that the proper metaphore would be, "I don't make the sh.t, I
just spread it around"...
Of course, that is debatable...

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Scott - 08 Feb 2008 03:35 GMT
> > Saudi Arabia is an American ally in the War on Terror (even though it
> > was Saudis that did 9/11, go figure) and personal friends to the Bush
> > Administration (even though it was Saudis that did 9/11, go figure). How
> > dare you criticize them.
>
> You can't resist commenting on the off topic threads, can you? <snicker>
"And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles
do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words."
eeo - 09 Feb 2008 12:27 GMT
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Isn't it ironic...