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Rod - 07 Feb 2008 00:49 GMT
Does anyone have any reccomendations on a boat ladder ? I am looking
to buying a boat this spring and it wouldn't hurt to put a ladder on
it since I doubt I'll be going on any dive trips for a while.
Don Gingrich - 07 Feb 2008 01:38 GMT
> Does anyone have any reccomendations on a boat ladder ? I am looking
> to buying a boat this spring and it wouldn't hurt to put a ladder on
> it since I doubt I'll be going on any dive trips for a while.

Read parts of the huge "over 50" thread. I may be wrong,
and if I am, someone will certainly tell me, but if I had
to summarise the discussion about getting on and off boats,
it seemed to say that the "fin friendly" ladders are less
hassle since, if you get thrown off, you still have fins
on to swim back. Fin friendly ladders have a single pole
in the middle. Look something like this:

  |-------------------|   hinged top
  }-------  ----------|
          | |
          | |
          | |
          | |
  |-------| |--------|
   \      | |       /
    \     | |      /
     \----} }-----/
          | |

The angles are a bit off -- ASCII art is not my forte
They should go in to the centre at about 30 degrees from
the ends. Often the outside end is raised a bit so you
can't slide off. And the ones I've seen repeat the step
about 5 times for a ladder to a deck that's less than
3 feet above the surface. (Dive boats here often have
doors in the gunwalls to make exit and entry easier.)
You don't want a too-short ladder -- it's good to be
able to mostly "float" up to a point where your feet
are on the bottom step.

I forgot to mention, but these ladders are usually at
about the same angle to vertical as a step ladder, with
a bit that pushes back against the transom of the boat.
The back of the boat is reinforced where the ladder
touches.

Hope this is useful

-Don
Rod - 07 Feb 2008 01:45 GMT
>> Does anyone have any reccomendations on a boat ladder ? I am looking
>> to buying a boat this spring and it wouldn't hurt to put a ladder on
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>
>-Don

Thanks, I have never seen one of those, but I get the concept.
El Stroko Guapo - 07 Feb 2008 02:47 GMT
>>>Does anyone have any reccomendations on a boat ladder ? I am looking
>>>to buying a boat this spring and it wouldn't hurt to put a ladder on
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>
> Thanks, I have never seen one of those, but I get the concept.

It's called a "Christmas tree" and it is nice, but tends to be a bit
wobbly as there is only a single vertical.

esg
Al Wells - 07 Feb 2008 03:06 GMT
> Does anyone have any reccomendations on a boat ladder ? I am looking
> to buying a boat this spring and it wouldn't hurt to put a ladder on
> it since I doubt I'll be going on any dive trips for a while.

Enrique Alvarez makes some nice ladders

http://www.techdivetools.com/boat/ladders.html
Mike from Ottawa - 07 Feb 2008 03:55 GMT
>> Does anyone have any reccomendations on a boat ladder ? I am looking
>> to buying a boat this spring and it wouldn't hurt to put a ladder on
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>
>http://www.techdivetools.com/boat/ladders.html

They even have 1 for boats with outboard motors.  I'm looking at
getting a 16' boat this spring, mainly for fishing.  Their outboard
ladder would be perfect.

Thanks for the post.
Lee Bell - 07 Feb 2008 04:15 GMT
>>Enrique Alvarez makes some nice ladders
>>
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>
> Thanks for the post.

You might like this one as well or better.
http://www.armstrongnautical.com/ladders.htm

Lee
Grumman-581 - 07 Feb 2008 04:22 GMT
> You might like this one as well or better.
> http://www.armstrongnautical.com/ladders.htm

Does she come with it?
Lee Bell - 07 Feb 2008 04:26 GMT
>> You might like this one as well or better.
>> http://www.armstrongnautical.com/ladders.htm
>
> Does she come with it?

If you've got the money. Unfortunately, you don't, or won't if  you try to
spend it on one of them. Grace will have your money and, well, lets just say
that your interest in women will become academic.

Lee
Mike from Ottawa - 07 Feb 2008 04:52 GMT
>>>Enrique Alvarez makes some nice ladders
>>>
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>
>Lee

Seems to be wider rungs & a good design.  Some things to look into...

Merci
Lee Bell - 07 Feb 2008 11:15 GMT
>>You might like this one as well or better.
>>http://www.armstrongnautical.com/ladders.htm
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>
> Merci

You're welcome. The Armstrong is not as large or heavy as the ladders you
find on most dive boats, but it's robust enough for diving and, depending on
the model you choose, stows better on boats also used for other purposes.

Lee
Grumman-581 - 07 Feb 2008 04:05 GMT
> Enrique Alvarez makes some nice ladders
>
> http://www.techdivetools.com/boat/ladders.html

As show in this photo:

http://www.techdivetools.com/boat/image-store/ladder_seeker_2.jpg

It's nice to have some hand rails to grab once you get to the top of the
ladder... Especially in rough seas...
Al Wells - 07 Feb 2008 14:21 GMT
> As show in this photo:
>
> http://www.techdivetools.com/boat/image-store/ladder_seeker_2.jpg
>
> It's nice to have some hand rails to grab once you get to the top of the
> ladder... Especially in rough seas...

The NY dive boat Wahoo (now called the Garloo) has the absolute best
ladder in the world. It is a Christmas tree ladder but has handrails
that go almost all the way to the bottom. I don't remember the exact
design details and can't find a picture right now, but I will ask around
for one.
Lee Bell - 07 Feb 2008 14:35 GMT
> The NY dive boat Wahoo (now called the Garloo) has the absolute best
> ladder in the world. It is a Christmas tree ladder but has handrails
> that go almost all the way to the bottom. I don't remember the exact
> design details and can't find a picture right now, but I will ask around
> for one.

Full length handrails seem to be pretty standard on the boats I use most
often, but I don't recall seeing them combined with fin friendly steps.

The best ladder I've ever seen was no ladder at all. As I recall, it was on
the Minnow, out of West Palm. The dive platform, when deployed, was just
below the surface, allowing the diver to move up onto it with minimal effort
no matter what the seas were like.

Lee
Al Wells - 07 Feb 2008 14:44 GMT
> Full length handrails seem to be pretty standard on the boats I use most
> often, but I don't recall seeing them combined with fin friendly steps.

The ladder on the Wahoo is the only one I've seen like that.

> The best ladder I've ever seen was no ladder at all. As I recall, it was on
> the Minnow, out of West Palm. The dive platform, when deployed, was just
> below the surface, allowing the diver to move up onto it with minimal effort
> no matter what the seas were like.

Awesome for recreational diving, not so good with doubles and deco
tanks. I fondly remember easily getting back on that boat in 8 ft seas
with thunderstorms when we had the Thanksgiving get-together.
Grumman-581 - 07 Feb 2008 05:10 GMT
> Enrique Alvarez makes some nice ladders
>
> http://www.techdivetools.com/boat/ladders.html

They even have the proper tool that I'll need to get past Cork Rock at
Blue Springs...

http://www.techdivetools.com/tools/hammers.html

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Lee Bell - 07 Feb 2008 11:18 GMT
> They even have the proper tool that I'll need to get past Cork Rock at
> Blue Springs...
>
> http://www.techdivetools.com/tools/hammers.html

Try not to get hung up in anything in your attempt. We prefer the current
bring your remains to the surface rather than having to go get them before
they pollute the crystal clear water.

Lee
Al Wells - 07 Feb 2008 14:11 GMT
In article <pan.2008.02.07.05.10.08.125000@grumman581-usenet-2008-
spambob-net>, grumman581-usenet-2008@spambob.net says...

> They even have the proper tool that I'll need to get past Cork Rock at
> Blue Springs...
>
> http://www.techdivetools.com/tools/hammers.html

Look closely at any NJ diver and you'll find one of those hanging off of
him somewhere. I think they issue one with C cards here.
mag3 - 07 Feb 2008 15:06 GMT
>In article <pan.2008.02.07.05.10.08.125000@grumman581-usenet-2008-
>spambob-net>, grumman581-usenet-2008@spambob.net says...
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Look closely at any NJ diver and you'll find one of those hanging off of
>him somewhere. I think they issue one with C cards here.

Ahem....... ;-))))
____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Grumman-581 - 07 Feb 2008 03:50 GMT
> Does anyone have any reccomendations on a boat ladder ? I am looking
> to buying a boat this spring and it wouldn't hurt to put a ladder on
> it since I doubt I'll be going on any dive trips for a while.

Something like this:
http://www.shipstore.com/SS/HTML/GAR/GAR19834.html
Lee Bell - 07 Feb 2008 04:11 GMT
> Does anyone have any reccomendations on a boat ladder ? I am looking
> to buying a boat this spring and it wouldn't hurt to put a ladder on
> it since I doubt I'll be going on any dive trips for a while.

Armstrong makes a good, fin friendly one. The one I'm familiar with can be
removed and stowed out of the way. Being made of aluminum, it's both strong
and light.

Lee
 
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