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Scuba Forum / General / January 2008Trying out my new computer
I'm planning on going into the pool with my instructor while he's teaching a new class. It will give me a chance to get weighted (in fresh water) with my new wetsuit and all my gear. They won't let me in the pool anymore without an instructor. Insurance! Question is: I got a new computer but haven't had a chance to use it yet. Do you think 12' is enough depth to at least let me get familiar with its workings before I go on a "real" dive? It says it triggers at 5 feet and is water activated. It's an Oceanic air only computer. No Nitrox. I'm assuming it might, but won't trigger a safety stop and at 12 feet will probably allow me to stay down longer than the air in my tank. Thanks. Sheldon > I'm planning on going into the pool with my instructor while he's teaching a > new class. It will give me a chance to get weighted (in fresh water) with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I'm assuming it might, but won't trigger a safety stop and at 12 feet will > probably allow me to stay down longer than the air in my tank. Who is your instructor? > Who is your instructor? My instructor is Tom Benton at Aspen Divers. I did my pool tests and written PADI tests with him. Did my open water at Homestead Crater (Utah) with another instructor. After I got my PADI card the recreation center would let me dive in the pool. They pulled the plug when the city government got hold of what I was doing, and the pool director told me I couldn't dive without an instructor because none of their lifeguards are trained to give oxygen. Fortunately for me, Tom is teaching a class in the pool this weekend. I just told him I'd chip in and stay out of the way. Sheldon > > Who is your instructor? > My instructor is Tom Benton at Aspen Divers. I did my pool tests and > written PADI tests with him. Did my open water at Homestead Crater (Utah) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > couldn't dive without an instructor because none of their lifeguards are > trained to give oxygen. Dont mean to be harsh, but that is pure idiocy. Oxygen is not going to do anything for you it would/wouldnt for any other person in the pool. > Fortunately for me, Tom is teaching a class in the pool this weekend. I > just told him I'd chip in and stay out of the way. 400 minutes, on air, at 12 feet with no deco. While you are diving your computer, learn to look for natural indicators of depth (not in the pool...). For instance, here the sea whips start about 80 to 90 fsw. >> > Who is your instructor? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dont mean to be harsh, but that is pure idiocy. Totally agree with you, but I'd be fighting City Hall. The director is a diver and he's upset about it, too. > Oxygen is not going to do anything for you it would/wouldnt for any other > person in the pool. Well, the hospital is close, so the lifeguards are minimally trained. I argued that if someone went off the diving board and wacked their head I'd be a first responder, but that didn't fly either. >> Fortunately for me, Tom is teaching a class in the pool this weekend. I >> just told him I'd chip in and stay out of the way. > > 400 minutes, on air, at 12 feet with no deco. I never looked at my tables, but I figured as much. > While you are diving your computer, learn to look for natural indicators > of > depth (not in the pool...). > > For instance, here the sea whips start about 80 to 90 fsw. I hear ya. I've heard stories about people diving when a really heavy wave went through and the column of water they were in increased drastically. Technically, they were way deeper than they intended. > Totally agree with you, but I'd be fighting City Hall. The director is a > diver and he's upset about it, too. OK, so the director and City Hall are idiots. > Well, the hospital is close, so the lifeguards are minimally trained. I > argued that if someone went off the diving board and wacked their head I'd > be a first responder, but that didn't fly either. I'm a Water Safety Instructor, certified to teach lifeguards. I'm not trained to give oxygen either. Pay no attention to the standard 80, the only one I own by the way, standing in the corner with the large "20" on its side. >> 400 minutes, on air, at 12 feet with no deco. > > I never looked at my tables, but I figured as much. Is 12 feet even on your tables? > I hear ya. I've heard stories about people diving when a really heavy > wave went through and the column of water they were in increased > drastically. Technically, they were way deeper than they intended. Guess again. Lee >> Who is your instructor? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > couldn't dive without an instructor because none of their lifeguards are > trained to give oxygen. The pool director is ignorant. You can tell him I said so. > Fortunately for me, Tom is teaching a class in the pool this weekend. I > just told him I'd chip in and stay out of the way. Glad it works out for you. Lee >>> Who is your instructor? >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The pool director is ignorant. You can tell him I said so. It's not the pool director. It's the city. He's just following their orders, or so he says. > It's not the pool director. It's the city. He's just following their > orders, or so he says. Or so he says.... If he would know his job and diving he would know the whole point is BS. Tell me, for what reason should a diver in a pool get O2, a swimmer shouldn`t get? And vice versa? > Tell me, for what reason should a diver in a pool get O2, a swimmer > shouldn`t get? DCS? >> Tell me, for what reason should a diver in a pool get O2, a swimmer shouldn`t get? > > DCS? You mean air embolism, not decompression sickness. Adam > > Who is your instructor? > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Fortunately for me, Tom is teaching a class in the pool this weekend. I > just told him I'd chip in and stay out of the way. Complete and utter BS . . .how on earth could a public pool have staffing that aren't trained to give oxygen? One of my best friend's business is almost solely devoted to training people to deliver oxygen in emergencies. Her business originated from working in public pools. >> > Who is your instructor? >> > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > to deliver oxygen in emergencies. Her business originated from working in > public pools. Some time ago, I was ejected from the municipal pool, despite even cookie bribery, because they said the lifeguards would not know how to effect the rescue of an injured diver. (Despite two scuba classes a year being taught there). Nothing was mentioned about O2. Frankly, I just think it weirds them out.  SignatureDoes anybody here really think that taking away the guns will stop killing? Or knives, or icepicks, or chains, or ropes, or baseball bats, or poisons, or cars & trucks. People are gonna kill people, and they'll always think of a new weapon if you take away the old ones. And just because I carry a potential weapon doesn't mean I intend to commit murder, or that I may be tempted to commit murder. I often carry a big ugly knife. Lots of my friends do too. I have never heard of anyone being tempted to use the knife on anyone just because they have it with them. You gotta be in the mood to do the killing and you use what's at hand. -Jeff Cooper Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762 > Some time ago, I was ejected from the municipal pool, despite even cookie > bribery, because they said the lifeguards would not know how to effect the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Frankly, I just think it weirds them out. When a scuba class is in the pool there's an instructor with them. The pool looks toward the instructor to make the save. I have no idea who would save the instructor. > When a scuba class is in the pool there's an instructor with them. The pool > looks toward the instructor to make the save. I have no idea who would save > the instructor. The instructor's liability insurance also covers the pool owner. Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick wrote: > Some time ago, I was ejected from the municipal pool, despite even > cookie bribery, because they said the lifeguards would not know how to > effect the rescue of an injured diver. The bottle and other hard metall things may ruin the floor and the pool. Bottles can drop and fly through roof tops. Diving in 12f of pool water still has the potential of barothrauma injuries of lungs. The insurance of the pool just says: "swimming" and they forgot "diving". You disturbed eldery woman swimming with your bubbles? Jörg > The bottle and other hard metall things may ruin the floor and the pool. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You disturbed eldery woman swimming with your bubbles? The way my local community pool described it was that the high school lifeguards and as such they consider anyone that has been on the bottom for any length of time a key indicator of them drowning and as such needing rescue... Having someone laying on the bottom who does not need rescue would just complicate their decision making process... Since the high school girls that they use are nice eye candy, I don't want to complicate their lives... <dirty-old-man-grin> SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. "Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :I'm planning on going into the pool with my instructor while he's teaching a :new class. It will give me a chance to get weighted (in fresh water) with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] :I'm assuming it might, but won't trigger a safety stop and at 12 feet will :probably allow me to stay down longer than the air in my tank. I think it's a waste of batteries. Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. > I'm planning on going into the pool with my instructor while he's teaching a > new class. It will give me a chance to get weighted (in fresh water) with [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sheldon The computer problem is that the data will be meaningless. (does it give remaining time in days?) esg > The computer problem is that the data will be meaningless. (does it give > remaining time in days?) > > esg LOL :-D I just want to see if it works before I actually dive with it. I'm also at 8000', so the time will be much shorter. > The computer problem is that the data will be meaningless. (does it give > remaining time in days?) It'll show 99 minutes. Every thing else, however, will be accurate. Lee >>The computer problem is that the data will be meaningless. (does it give >>remaining time in days?) > > It'll show 99 minutes. Every thing else, however, will be accurate. > > Lee Just as accurate as if ya wrote "99" on yer wrist with a magic marker. esg >>>The computer problem is that the data will be meaningless. (does it give >>>remaining time in days?) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Lee > Just as accurate as if ya wrote "99" on yer wrist with a magic marker. And they're off... :-) Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762 > I'm planning on going into the pool with my instructor while he's teaching a new > class. It will give me a chance to get weighted (in fresh water) with my new [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sheldon My Suunto Vyper has a simulator mode useful for testing and learning the display. You should read the manual, but using in deep pool will show you at least the basic display. Adam >> I'm planning on going into the pool with my instructor while he's >> teaching a new class. It will give me a chance to get weighted (in fresh [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Adam When you turn mine on it adjusts for altitude and flips through depths and maximum bottom times. Push the button and it goes to a secondary display with time, temp, etc. When you come out of the water it's supposed to rotate through several displays including time to fly. As you are probably aware, I've read the manual but it's not the same as actually using it. I guess for me the main displays are depth and time remaining as well as ascent rate. It also has a nitrogen loading display that moves from green to red. Their ads basically say "Keep it in the green and you're okay." If it trips into full function I'll also be able to see the displays it gives when you get out of the water. Somewhere, I have the installation file for a one button Oceanic nitrox computer simulator. If you want it, send me an email from a real address capable of taking a moderate sized file. Lee >>> I'm planning on going into the pool with my instructor while he's teaching a new >>> class. It will give me a chance to get weighted (in fresh water) with my new [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > full function I'll also be able to see the displays it gives when you get out of > the water. It sounds like my old trusty Oceanic Prodigy. Which model is it? The Prodigy is quite simple and has an intuitive display. The bar graph displays nitrogen loading, something I wish the Suunto had. I do have to remember to activate it before diving. Adam >>>> I'm planning on going into the pool with my instructor while he's >>>> teaching a new class. It will give me a chance to get weighted (in [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > It sounds like my old trusty Oceanic Prodigy. Which model is it? It's a VEO 100. Worked fine in the pool, and when I take it on vacation at least I know how it works. >Question is: I got a new computer but haven't had a chance to use it yet. >Do you think 12' is enough depth to at least let me get familiar with its >workings before I go on a "real" dive? It says it triggers at 5 feet and is >water activated. It's an Oceanic air only computer. No Nitrox. I don't know about the Oceanic. I use a Suunto Gekko, and the no-decompression time display remains blank on very shallow dives like 12 feet. In the pool, it does display fun facts like the water temperature and elapsed dive time. It also shows your rate of ascent, a display that it's probably important to familiarize yourself with. And it couldn't hurt to use the thing underwater, to get some practice pushing the buttons and scrolling through the menus underwater, reading it through a mask and with full scuba gear. I hate all things digital, but I gotta admit these things are fun. > >Question is: I got a new computer but haven't had a chance to use it yet. > >Do you think 12' is enough depth to at least let me get familiar with its > >workings before I go on a "real" dive? It says it triggers at 5 feet and is > >water activated. It's an Oceanic air only computer. No Nitrox. Whoops, I misspoke. Mine is also good for Nitrox, but I have to change the function. So far, I've never had the need. > Question is: I got a new computer but haven't had a chance to use it yet. > Do you think 12' is enough depth to at least let me get familiar with its > workings before I go on a "real" dive? It says it triggers at 5 feet and > is water activated. It's an Oceanic air only computer. No Nitrox. It's a shame you didn't get the nitrox version. The price should not be that much different and it would save you having to upgrade later. It will show you the same readings you'll get on a deeper dive except the deco function. > I'm assuming it might, but won't trigger a safety stop and at 12 feet will > probably allow me to stay down longer than the air in my tank. No, it won't trigger a safety stop. Yes, it will let you stay down longer than the air in your tank. Lee >> Question is: I got a new computer but haven't had a chance to use it >> yet. Do you think 12' is enough depth to at least let me get familiar [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Lee We went through this in another thread. While I'm certified for Nitrox I was going to continue to use my computer for the safety factor even if I dive Nitrox. I just have to be aware of my depth at all times. "Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :We went through this in another thread. While I'm certified for Nitrox I :was going to continue to use my computer for the safety factor even if I :dive Nitrox. I just have to be aware of my depth at all times. You're certified on Nitrox? That's pretty good. Have you been diving yet? Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. > "Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dan Bracuk Only for my open water test in a crater. Going to Belize this March. :-) This summer hope to catch some lakes in the state. There's a lake just outside Denver with a plane at the bottom. They sunk it for divers. "Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Only for my open water test in a crater. Going to Belize this March. :-) :This summer hope to catch some lakes in the state. There's a lake just :outside Denver with a plane at the bottom. They sunk it for divers. You are fortunate that you were able to take nitrox right off the bat. There was a day when Advanced was a pre-requisite. Still might be in some cases. Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. > I'm planning on going into the pool with my instructor while he's teaching a > new class. It will give me a chance to get weighted (in fresh water) with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I'm assuming it might, but won't trigger a safety stop and at 12 feet will > probably allow me to stay down longer than the air in my tank. ?? I have an Oceanic air . . .and as far as I know, it triggers as soon as it gets wet. > ?? I have an Oceanic air . . .and as far as I know, it triggers as soon > as it gets wet. Sounds like a cheap date... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. > I'm planning on going into the pool with my instructor while he's teaching a > new class. It will give me a chance to get weighted (in fresh water) with [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sheldon Some shops have a small pressure vessel used to test devices after battery changes and such, if your shop has one, you might be able to dive the computer and view the changes to the display. John > Some shops have a small pressure vessel used to test devices after battery > changes and such, if your shop has one, you might be able to dive the > computer and view the changes to the display. > > John Sounds like a great idea but my shop doesn't have anything like that as far as I know. I did get the computer in the pool today. Hard to figure what's going on as the time remaining doesn't move at 12 feet, but the rest of it works. The only way I could trigger the ascent on the screen was to hold the computer in my hand and bring it up fast while standing on the bottom. Before diving the maximum times are rather short since I'm at 8000'. The instructor said I'd have to get it down to at least around 30' before the numbers begin to make any sense. At least I know it works, and it flashes info when I surface. Need to read the manual again. Been sitting here with the computer watching the news and reading the instructions. It's all starting to make sense (post dive info), but as someone said this could be a waste of batteries. Apparently the unit will continue to stay on until the Time To Fly mode hits zero. Batter low indicator comes on with 25% power left, and the unit will run for about 300 hours. I should probably change the battery before each dive trip, and I'll be sure to carry a spare. Again, thanks all for the help. I'll be in the pool again tomorrow screwing around. May as well take advantage of getting wet whenever I can, and I think I have the computer down well enough to take it on a "real' dive. Sheldon > I'm planning on going into the pool with my instructor while he's teaching a new > class. It will give me a chance to get weighted (in fresh water) with my new [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sheldon In any case when you go on your dive vacation your should first do a shallow check out dive preferably from shore, and this will give you a chance to see the display, check your buoyancy and other gear. I agree with Lee that you should have gone with a Nitrox computer as you can always use that with air as well, in fact if you can I would exchange it. Adam >> I'm planning on going into the pool with my instructor while he's >> teaching a new class. It will give me a chance to get weighted (in fresh [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Adam I agree, but even if I dive with Nitrox I plan on using a computer or tables set to air for the added safety factor. Just have to watch my depth. >> I agree with Lee that you should have gone with a Nitrox computer as you can >> always use that with air as well, in fact if you can I would exchange it. >> >> Adam > I agree, but even if I dive with Nitrox I plan on using a computer or tables set to > air for the added safety factor. Just have to watch my depth. Still there is no drawback to having a Nitrox computer. But there might be a time when you want to take advantage of the extra bottom time you get from Nitrox, or you may buddy with Nitrox diver who does not use an air computer. Why limit your options? Adam >>> I agree with Lee that you should have gone with a Nitrox computer as you >>> can always use that with air as well, in fact if you can I would [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Adam While you are correct on every point, I can't see any reason to upgrade at this point in time. I mean, I could use a new everything. All is used (checked out and purchased from my LDS) and the only new things are my console/computer, octopus and wetsuit. Oh yeah. The knife is new, too. Mask was new, and just ordered booties and new fins. |
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