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Scuba Forum / General / February 2008Booties In or Out?
I just got some 3mm booties to wear with a 3/2 wetsuit. Got them, and some new fins, for several reasons, but my question is do you wear the wetsuit outside the booties, or do you tuck the wetsuit in? The guy in the dive shop said you can go either way, but he likes to wear the wetsuit over the booties. What say you? Thanks. Sheldon > I just got some 3mm booties to wear with a 3/2 wetsuit. Got them, and some > new fins, for several reasons, but my question is do you wear the wetsuit [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What say you? Wetsuit over booties. >> I just got some 3mm booties to wear with a 3/2 wetsuit. Got them, and > some [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Wetsuit over booties. Many wetsuits have two layers. My xCel has a thin neoprene layer that I tuck inside the booties and then put the main part of the wetsuit over the booties. This restricts the flow of water through the feet and keeps the booties zipped. - Dave > Many wetsuits have two layers. My xCel has a thin neoprene layer that I tuck > inside the booties and then put the main part of the wetsuit over the > booties. This restricts the flow of water through the feet and keeps the > booties zipped. Percundis. I defer to Popeye for definition of the term. >> Many wetsuits have two layers. My xCel has a thin neoprene layer that I > tuck [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I defer to Popeye for definition of the term. To make an indelicate story short, if you tuck your wetsuit into your booties, it doesn't "flush" when you piss, and all the piss winds up in your booties. You may have heard the term "bootie juice" (a form of percundis) in conjunction with scuba diving. That's the piss in your booties that pours out on the dive boat deck, making you inherently unpopular. ps. There are two types of divers, you may also have heard; Those that piss in their wetsuits, and those that lie about it.  SignatureDoes anybody here really think that taking away the guns will stop killing? Or knives, or icepicks, or chains, or ropes, or baseball bats, or poisons, or cars & trucks. People are gonna kill people, and they'll always think of a new weapon if you take away the old ones. And just because I carry a potential weapon doesn't mean I intend to commit murder, or that I may be tempted to commit murder. I often carry a big ugly knife. Lots of my friends do too. I have never heard of anyone being tempted to use the knife on anyone just because they have it with them. You gotta be in the mood to do the killing and you use what's at hand. -Jeff Cooper Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762 >>> Many wetsuits have two layers. My xCel has a thin neoprene layer that I >> tuck [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Those that piss in their wetsuits, and those that lie about it. Well, outside it is, for, er, uh, a variety of reasons. lol Thanks all. > Well, outside it is, for, er, uh, a variety of reasons. lol Only because it kinda sounds like someone doesn't know the proper way to pee in a wetsuit...or because they want to be able to pee in the wetsuit after they've gotten out of the water. Purely by coincidence, I though that I might mention a technique that you'll probably never learn from PADI. Say for example you're diving in a tropical wetsuit and you've become uncomfortably warm. Oh no - what to do? Your wetsuit zipper is on the back of your suit, underneath your tank, so you can't unzip. SImply go into a moderately strong heads-down position (like 45+ degrees; vary to what works). Tuck your chin down and with a finger, pull open the wetsuit's neck seal. With your regulator exhaust below the open neck seal, exhale. This will create an air bubble inside your wetsuit, which will then travel "up" through your wetsuit and exit out a leg opening. The air bubble running through your suit will pull in new water behind it via the neck opening. This causes a water exchange and it is useful to help cool you off in case you get too warm in tropical waters. BTW, if your legs are "too hot", simply lean to each side and do one air bubble for each leg. Oh yeah, it might have other uses too... For this technique, because the bootie is an "opening down" cup, its hard for the suit's exiting hot water to be forced up in their during this wetsuit burp. If beause of fit it can be affected, then you'll know it because you'll get an air bubble in your bootie (which pushed out out whatever hot water that might have gotten in there). If this happens, simply re-orient legs down to burp this air bubble out; you might have to lift your neck seal if it comes up that way. If the bootie needs any water to refill, it will be sucked in from the wetsuit's leg, which will suck in from the opening to the outside at the ankle. You have now successfully cooled yourself off :-) -hh "Sheldon" <shel...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote: > Well, outside it is, for, er, uh, a variety of reasons. lol Hugh on; ******************** Only because it kinda sounds like someone doesn't know the proper way to pee in a wetsuit...or because they want to be able to pee in the wetsuit after they've gotten out of the water. Purely by coincidence, I though that I might mention a technique that you'll probably never learn from PADI. Say for example you're diving in a tropical wetsuit and you've become uncomfortably warm. Oh no - what to do? Your wetsuit zipper is on the back of your suit, underneath your tank, so you can't unzip. SImply go into a moderately strong heads-down position (like 45+ degrees; vary to what works). Tuck your chin down and with a finger, pull open the wetsuit's neck seal. With your regulator exhaust below the open neck seal, exhale. This will create an air bubble inside your wetsuit, which will then travel "up" through your wetsuit and exit out a leg opening. The air bubble running through your suit will pull in new water behind it via the neck opening. This causes a water exchange and it is useful to help cool you off in case you get too warm in tropical waters. BTW, if your legs are "too hot", simply lean to each side and do one air bubble for each leg. Oh yeah, it might have other uses too... For this technique, because the bootie is an "opening down" cup, its hard for the suit's exiting hot water to be forced up in their during this wetsuit burp. If beause of fit it can be affected, then you'll know it because you'll get an air bubble in your bootie (which pushed out out whatever hot water that might have gotten in there). If this happens, simply re-orient legs down to burp this air bubble out; you might have to lift your neck seal if it comes up that way. If the bootie needs any water to refill, it will be sucked in from the wetsuit's leg, which will suck in from the opening to the outside at the ankle. You have now successfully cooled yourself off :-) ******************** Hugh off. ***** > "Sheldon" <shel...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > ***** Sounds awfully complicated. Will have to practice before I get in the pool. esg > Sounds awfully complicated. Will have to practice before I get in the > pool. From an engineering standpoint, that method just doesn't seem right... I don't believe that a bubble of air moving through your wetsuit is going to do much to flush water through it... I think a better solution is to just let some water in the neck by opening it, close the neck off, and then pump it out the legs by moving your body or whatever... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. > Sounds awfully complicated. Will have to practice before I get in the pool. It was for the room, f.cker, and you know it. Besides... > esg > "Sheldon" <shel...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > ***** What if you fart into your wetsuit creating the bubble? That elimates the most difficult part of your system. :-) I hate it when you folks give advice on how to cool down when in a wetsuit! Especially now that it's winter up here in New England! Even in the summer, I never have that problem when in the water. Sometimes have to cool down in my 7 mil wetsuit when the air is 90 degrees, though! >>> Many wetsuits have two layers. My xCel has a thin neoprene layer that I >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Those that piss in their wetsuits, and those that lie about it. Also, the wetsuit outside keeps the booties from unzipping. esg On Jan 14, 11:42 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > There are two types of divers, you may also have heard; > > Those that piss in their wetsuits, and those that lie about it. I disagree - they're 3 kinds of divers - those who piss in their suits, those who lie about it, and those who have pee valves. Bryan > On Jan 14, 11:42 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bryan Pee valve in a wetsuit? :-) SignatureDoes anybody here really think that taking away the guns will stop killing? Or knives, or icepicks, or chains, or ropes, or baseball bats, or poisons, or cars & trucks. People are gonna kill people, and they'll always think of a new weapon if you take away the old ones. And just because I carry a potential weapon doesn't mean I intend to commit murder, or that I may be tempted to commit murder. I often carry a big ugly knife. Lots of my friends do too. I have never heard of anyone being tempted to use the knife on anyone just because they have it with them. You gotta be in the mood to do the killing and you use what's at hand. -Jeff Cooper Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762 > Pee valve in a wetsuit? :-) I've seen 2 or 3 cave divers with them. >> Pee valve in a wetsuit? :-) > > I've seen 2 or 3 cave divers with them. Which explains the aquifers going to hell! esg >>> Pee valve in a wetsuit? :-) >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > esg The aquifers are going to hell because reef rescue demand that all sewage be pumped into them. SignatureBrad Leyden 6° 43.5816' S 146° 59.3097' E WGS84 To mail spam is really hot but please reply to thread so all may benefit (or laugh at my mistakes) >>>> Pee valve in a wetsuit? :-) >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The aquifers are going to hell because reef rescue demand that all sewage be > pumped into them. We don't care where it goes as long as it's not pumped onto the reef. The cheapest alternative is to pump it into the deep aquifers (which are not potable, too briney and too much sulphur) but that's their decision and is not influenced by Reef Rescue one way or the other. Personally, I'd like to see it all recycled and that appears to be the direction that the state is taking in new legislation that would close the remaining outfalls. We are working to shut down the outfalls, period. Other groups, notably the Sierra Club, are working to assure that the alternatives are sane. We have been extraordinarily successful, in part because our focus is narrow. esg > We have been extraordinarily successful, in part because our focus is > narrow. That's just a fancy way of saying, "Not in my backyard"... <snicker> SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >>We have been extraordinarily successful, in part because our focus is >>narrow. > > That's just a fancy way of saying, "Not in my backyard"... > > <snicker> Precisely. The reef is my turf. Don't f.ck with it. esg > Personally, I'd like to see it all recycled and that appears to be the > direction that the state is taking in new legislation that would close > the remaining outfalls. Yuck. I don't mind taking my used cans and bottles out to the recycling bin, but the human waste I'd rather flush down the toilet without getting my hands dirty. You Floridians are a tough bunch. Do you get any money for it at the recycling centers? >>Personally, I'd like to see it all recycled and that appears to be the >>direction that the state is taking in new legislation that would close [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Do you get any money for it at the recycling centers? Actually, all yer drinking water is recycled waste. Back in the oldie days, evaporation/rain/percolation through the limestone worked fine. Now that water is an increasingly scarce, and valuable, commodity it makes economic sense to build factories to speed up the process and bottle it to sell to the squeamish. esg > In article <13ov764h7u0e173@news.supernews.com>, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" > Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> says... > > > Pee valve in a wetsuit? :-) > > I've seen 2 or 3 cave divers with them. I have never peed in a wetsuit. That's the truth, regardless of what you may think. I've had some close calls, though. I've considered installing a pee valve in my wetsuit. But as I use a wetsuit so infrequently, I'm not sure its worth the hassle. SignatureArt Greenberg artg at eclipse dot net > > In article <13ov764h7u0e...@news.supernews.com>, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" > > Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> says... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Art Greenberg > artg at eclipse dot net I've had some close calls in my dry suit, which makes me want a pee valve. Its my pathological fear of cutting holes in my dry suit that's kept it from happening. In a wet I just let-er rip. I was trained in very cold water, and peeing was pleasure - pure, unadultured warmth. It isn't called "divers delight" for nothing... Bryan >> On Jan 14, 11:42 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" >> <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Pee valve in a wetsuit? :-) I once saw a french diver with a hunting wet suit, which had a strange 5 inch appendix. Right at that place. I would have called it an exo-something ;-) Matthias On Jan 17, 1:21 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > On Jan 14, 11:42 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pee valve in a wetsuit? :-) I've seen it more then once. An old dive buddy of mine has (or at least had) one installed in his suit. He had a semi-dry, which on his frame was a "so tight that there isn't room for one molicule of water" semi-dry, so peeing was not much of an option. Bryan > On Jan 17, 1:21 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Bryan I thought the whole point of a semi-dry was to keep the pee in... SignatureDoes anybody here really think that taking away the guns will stop killing? Or knives, or icepicks, or chains, or ropes, or baseball bats, or poisons, or cars & trucks. People are gonna kill people, and they'll always think of a new weapon if you take away the old ones. And just because I carry a potential weapon doesn't mean I intend to commit murder, or that I may be tempted to commit murder. I often carry a big ugly knife. Lots of my friends do too. I have never heard of anyone being tempted to use the knife on anyone just because they have it with them. You gotta be in the mood to do the killing and you use what's at hand. -Jeff Cooper Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762 > I just got some 3mm booties to wear with a 3/2 wetsuit. Got them, and some > new fins, for several reasons, but my question is do you wear the wetsuit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sheldon If wet suit inside booties all the trapped water goes into the booties when you leave the water. This can be a pain. can cause the zip to undo and so on. wet suit over top of booties for me. Lee > I just got some 3mm booties to wear with a 3/2 wetsuit. Got them, and some > new fins, for several reasons, but my question is do you wear the wetsuit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sheldon I wear my wetsuit over my booties. The wetsuit on the outside keeps the zipper from unzipping. > I wear my wetsuit over my booties. > > The wetsuit on the outside keeps the zipper from unzipping. Ditto. The alternative is rubber bands ... or duct tape. -hh > I just got some 3mm booties to wear with a 3/2 wetsuit. Got them, and > some new fins, for several reasons, but my question is do you wear the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What say you? Well, if you put your booties over your wetsuit, when you piss in your wetsuit, it will be the same as pissing on your foot... For the most part, us guys kind of like to avoid that sort of thing... Well, at least when we're sober... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. >I just got some 3mm booties to wear with a 3/2 wetsuit. Got them, and some >new fins, for several reasons, but my question is do you wear the wetsuit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sheldon Outside your booties so uncool to hand your fins up to the boat proceed up the ladder and have a bootie full of water come off. Never happened to me ( I've dropped most other equipment) but seen it happen and not a good look. Hey it doesn't matter how well you dive it's about how good you look ;-) > I just got some 3mm booties to wear with a 3/2 wetsuit. Got them, and some > new fins, for several reasons, but my question is do you wear the wetsuit > outside the booties, or do you tuck the wetsuit in? The guy in the dive > shop said you can go either way, but he likes to wear the wetsuit over the > booties. Boot over the inner part of the suit's ankle seal, outer part above boot. Now if that worries you (;-)), you can, on a single dive, stuuf one boot this way, the other foot another way, and then compare after the dive, provided you don't mix up your feet. Matthias > I just got some 3mm booties to wear with a 3/2 wetsuit. Got them, and some > new fins, for several reasons, but my question is do you wear the wetsuit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sheldon > I just got some 3mm booties to wear with a 3/2 wetsuit. Got them, and some > new fins, for several reasons, but my question is do you wear the wetsuit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sheldon This is a silly question. Tuck right. Tuck left. Aint't it your own preference ? On Jan 14, 7:37 pm, "Sheldon" <shel...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote: > I just got some 3mm booties to wear with a 3/2 wetsuit. Got them, and some > new fins, for several reasons, but my question is do you wear the wetsuit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sheldon This is a silly question. Tuck right. Tuck left. Aint't it your own preference ? **Didn't know it was a preference thing. I thought you guys were born, dressing one way or the other. > <hierophantf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > **Didn't know it was a preference thing. I thought you guys were born, > dressing one way or the other. No. Suit over booties will keep the water from filling up the booties On Jan 23, 2:50 am, "chilly" <slar...@shaw.canada> wrote: > <hierophantf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > **Didn't know it was a preference thing. I thought you guys were born, > dressing one way or the other. No. > I just got some 3mm booties to wear with a 3/2 wetsuit. Got them, and some > new fins, for several reasons, but my question is do you wear the wetsuit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sheldon Wetsuit outside the booties.... and yes I piss in my suit. |
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