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Getting someone on the fence to try SCUBA
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Jason A. - 14 Jan 2008 04:08 GMT Hi all,
I took SCUBA a while ago (needed a credit to stay full time in college), and enjoyed it. I'll admit, I've not done a lot of diving since then, but want to get back into it. I'd also like to get my wife involved, rather than getting teamed up with someone I've never met, or worse, leaving her on the dock while I'm out enjoying myself.
She does enjoy swimming, and we just recently went snorkeling in Hawaii, so I think I shouldn't have too much trouble.
What I'm looking for, are any suggestions on things I can show her that she *might* see while diving. Also, anything from around Lake Huron (Michigan, USA) would also help (we live outside Detroit, and going somewhere that's a "dive spot" every year is way out of the budget)
Thanks all, Jason
dechucka - 14 Jan 2008 05:12 GMT > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Thanks all, > Jason Take her snorkelling anywhere. If she likes it she may want to dive.
Not to bad to be married to a non diving partner ( wife can't dive severe asthma ) just needs more planning
Star - 14 Jan 2008 13:31 GMT > > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Not to bad to be married to a non diving partner ( wife can't dive severe > asthma ) just needs more planning And it's a great deal cheaper... when you get new gear, no one says - hey where's mine........
Snorkeling in cold, fresh water just isn't my thing, personally, as there isn't much to see unless you take her to Gilboa (not all that far from Detroit) to look at the paddlefish.
Lake Huron has some awesome wreck diving, and that's pretty much the big attraction. Panama City Beach is maybe a 13 hour drive, and you can get some reasonable diver-lodging or camping to make the vacation more affordable, but there's no shore diving unless you count that pitiful jetty at the state park. Maybe take her to a pool "discover Scuba" or something?
Reluctant SO's are sometimes best left at that - they can make themselves and you (and the instructor) miserable if they are learning to dive due to pressure from a loved one. You can encourage, but I wouldn't push.
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-hh - 14 Jan 2008 13:58 GMT > > Take her snorkelling anywhere. If she likes it she may want to dive. Where "anywhere" is someplace with warm water and interesting life. For exposure to how the scuba divers "live", you could try someplace like Little Cayman, where the very shallow walls allow for snorkelers and divers to coexist in nearly-but-not-quite the same reef ... provides the temptation to tolerate the gear and training so as to get closer to what she sees you at, a mere 10-20ft below.
There's other good destinations .. Bonaire shore diving is another obvious one .. main thing is to find out how comfortable she really is snorkeling before planning on making it a major (for her) element of a particular vacation.
> Snorkeling in cold, fresh water just isn't my thing, personally, as > there isn't much to see unless you take her to Gilboa (not all that > far from Detroit) to look at the paddlefish. Perhaps Crystal River in Florida in the winter, to snorkel with manatees.
> Reluctant SO's are sometimes best left at that - they can make > themselves and you (and the instructor) miserable if they are learning > to dive due to pressure from a loved one. You can encourage, but I > wouldn't push. Never push. Also don't ever complain about carrying along her snorkeling gear on trips where it doesn't even get touched but once.
-hh
Lee Bell - 14 Jan 2008 16:25 GMT >Where "anywhere" is someplace with warm water and interesting life. >For exposure to how the scuba divers "live", you could try someplace >like Little Cayman, where the very shallow walls allow for snorkelers >and divers to coexist in nearly-but-not-quite the same reef ... >provides the temptation to tolerate the gear and training so as to get >closer to what she sees you at, a mere 10-20ft below. Personally, I like shore diving off Grand Cayman. Right off Eden Rock is one of the nicest shallow water reefs I know of, both for divers and for snorkelers.
> Snorkeling in cold, fresh water just isn't my thing, personally, as > there isn't much to see unless you take her to Gilboa (not all that > far from Detroit) to look at the paddlefish.
> Perhaps Crystal River in Florida in the winter, to snorkel with > manatees. Snorkeling with manatees is special, but there's an even better opportunity in the same area. The problem with snorkeling with the manatees is that the parts of the river that they hand out in are deadly boring except for the manatees themselves. There's nothing pretty about it. Drifting the Rainbow River, just a bit north of Crystal River, is a treat not to be missed. The water is crystal clear and there's lots of interesting life and other things to look at. Best of all, it's good for both snorkeling and diving. Done in groups, your wife can snorkel it with others that don't while watching you cruising along right below her. If that doesn't trigger her desire to dive, you're probably not going to succeed.
The one thing you need to make very sure of is that neither you, nor her, has a problem that even appears to be serious, on any of these trips. Until she's firmly hooked on diving, it will not take much of a problem to turn her against it for life.
Lee
Star - 15 Jan 2008 04:06 GMT > > > Take her snorkelling anywhere. If she likes it she may want to dive.
> > Reluctant SO's are sometimes best left at that - they can make > > themselves and you (and the instructor) miserable if they are learning [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -hh exactly - you should always carry her gear - to the car when you are packing, to the dive site, onto the boat, back to the car, and put back away in the garage, all rinsed and hung. You should also always keep her tanks filled with her preferred gas mix and visualed and hydro-ed and her regulators serviced. It's a good move as well to cook dinner every night and do all the laundry and cleaning.
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Scott - 15 Jan 2008 04:14 GMT > > > > Take her snorkelling anywhere. If she likes it she may want to dive. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > :-) Yeah.
I heard that too.
Funny thing is that the chicks with their sh.t together don't need anyone to pack their gear.
Where do we go from that?
dechucka - 15 Jan 2008 04:16 GMT >> > > > Take her snorkelling anywhere. If she likes it she may want to >> > > > dive. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > to > pack their gear. you mean your "chick" doesn't your gear?
dechucka - 15 Jan 2008 04:18 GMT >>> > > > Take her snorkelling anywhere. If she likes it she may want to >>> > > > dive. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > you mean your "chick" doesn't your gear? maybe a pack in there somewhere
Star - 15 Jan 2008 04:25 GMT > > > > > Take her snorkelling anywhere. If she likes it she may want to dive. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Where do we go from that? I never said "need."
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Scott - 15 Jan 2008 04:30 GMT > > Yeah.
> > I heard that too.
> > Funny thing is that the chicks with their sh.t together don't need anyone to > > pack their gear.
> > Where do we go from that?
> I never said "need." Touché
See what I mean?
Star - 15 Jan 2008 05:14 GMT > > > Yeah. > > > I heard that too. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > See what I mean? I see what *I* mean :-)
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Lee Bell - 15 Jan 2008 09:45 GMT I forgot something. The bed linins need to be washed at least twice a year.
Lee
-hh - 15 Jan 2008 14:44 GMT > I forgot something. The bed linins... And here I was expecting a comment on cleaning the Cat Box. :-)
-hh
Lee Bell - 15 Jan 2008 15:07 GMT >> I forgot something. The bed linins...
> And here I was expecting a comment on cleaning the Cat Box. :-) I didn't even think of that. Jayna's the cat person in the family. I grew up with dogs. She takes care of the litter box. I get to do the fun stuff, taking lizards out of the cat's mouth, holding it while we give it medication or check an injury and taking it to the vet, you know, the hazardous duties..
Lee
Dan Bracuk - 16 Jan 2008 03:59 GMT "Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:I forgot something. The bed linins need to be washed at least twice a year. Why?
Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
Grumman-581 - 16 Jan 2008 04:11 GMT > "Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting > in: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Why? Some of us get laid more often and have to wash them more than twice a year... YMMV, of course...
Hell, back in college, I can remember Grace and I needing to wash them *daily*... <dirty-old-man-grin>
With one or the other of us working out of town these days, we're lucky to have to wash them *weekly*...
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Dan Bracuk - 16 Jan 2008 03:58 GMT "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:Funny thing is that the chicks with their sh.t together don't need anyone to :pack their gear. : :Where do we go from that? Do it anyway.
Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
Lee Bell - 15 Jan 2008 09:43 GMT > exactly - you should always carry her gear - to the car when you are > packing, to the dive site, onto the boat, back to the car, and put > back away in the garage, all rinsed and hung. You should also always > keep her tanks filled with her preferred gas mix and visualed and > hydro-ed and her regulators serviced. It's a good move as well to > cook dinner every night and do all the laundry and cleaning. Absolutely. There are, however, special skills involved. We don't normally share this information with women, but after all, you guys are fellow divers.
When doing the laundry, for example, be sure to wash her white undies with her red outfits. Pink is a pretty color on women. You should put bleach in with the white stuff. Wash the black stuff next. Tie die is back in style. Finally, and most important, be sure to dry her wool sweaters on the hot cycle of the dryer. Everyone woman wants to be shapely and a favorite sweater about the right size for a Barbie doll is a great incentive. Save money by reusing conditioner sheets. scratchy clothes build character. The time to do the towels is when she's taking a shower. She'll be happy when you finally return them. Wait to turn the washer on until she's got shampoo in her eyes. If you really want to have fun, flush a toilet at the same time. Pink is such a pretty color on women.
Lee Who has been forbidden to touch the laundry for years.
Star - 15 Jan 2008 12:52 GMT > > exactly - you should always carry her gear - to the car when you are > > packing, to the dive site, onto the boat, back to the car, and put [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Lee > Who has been forbidden to touch the laundry for years. Then you are relegated to taking out trash, grocery shopping and cooking, vacuuming, and all yard work.
*, who escaped lawn-mowing years ago using much the same technique.
Grumman-581 - 15 Jan 2008 13:04 GMT > Then you are relegated to taking out trash, grocery shopping and cooking, > vacuuming, and all yard work. Vecuuming was cured by 'accidentally' vacuuming up something of her's that she left laying around... <evil-grin>
> *, who escaped lawn-mowing years ago using much the same technique. Cutting through the electrical cord with the hedge trimmers is a good way to get banished from yard work...
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Lee Bell - 15 Jan 2008 14:15 GMT >> Lee >> Who has been forbidden to touch the laundry for years.
> Then you are relegated to taking out trash, grocery shopping and > cooking, vacuuming, and all yard work. My wife can't stand it if the garbage does not go out the night before. I don't care when it goes out as long as it goes out. If I mss the garbage man, well that's why I bought a trash compactor. She usually takes the garbage out.
She won't even let me go with her to go shopping. I think it has something to do with coming home with what I like instead of what she likes, or coming home with twice as much as we have storage for. Have I mentioned I'm an impulse buyer? She also absolutely hates the way I shop. I'm not quite sure what the problem is. She says I wander all over the store, taking forever. I do, but you have to look around to find out what you want. Sometimes I don't think of it until I'm past the row where it is. Have I mentioned that I'm an impulse buyer? I know it sounds inconsistent, but I don't ever go shopping without a list of what I'm going to get. Us impulse buyers are easily distracted from our original purpose. That might be another reason I don't get to go shopping often.
> *, who escaped lawn-mowing years ago using much the same technique. We're both reasonably good cooks. Generally, I am the more creative cook. That means it often takes me longer to put dinner together than it does if she does it. She's not all that patient. Some things I cook, some things she cooks. It's a job for her, a hobby for me.
We both vacuum too. I get the big jobs, she cleans up after me. When we took the Christmas tree out, for example, I got the job of getting the bulk of the dead needles up off the floor. My shop vac does a pretty good job of it, but doesn't get everything on the first pass. She comes along with her upright and gets what I leave behind. Neither of us vacuums if we can't see anything on the floor. Dust that has settled in, is not visible. The maid takes care of that. More on that later.
Yard work is supposed to be my job. Way back when we were just living together, I had finished mowing the yard and asked her to help me rake and pick up the grass. My position is, and I'm right, that a job shared with somebody you love goes faster and can actually be fun. She didn't agree. She stated, in no uncertain terms, that outside the house was my responsibility, inside was hers. I hired a lawn service the next day and sold the lawn mower, edger and most other yard tools shortly thereafter. I haven't mowed a lawn in 15 years.
Here's the part about the maid. About 10 years after I had hired a lawn service, my wife came and asked me if it was OK for her to hire a maid to come in every other week to take care of stuff both of us hate. My response was "Of course, what took you so long to ask?" When I hired the law service, I figured she'd hire help for inside the house almost immediately. It never occurred to me to suggest it, though. After all, inside the house is hers.
In reality, inside the house, we both tend to do what we care about most. She absolutely will not get in a bed that has not been made. I could care less. She normally gets up first, so I have a choice. I can get up where she does or I can make up the bed when I do get up. Most often, I make the bed. Apparently, my wife does not care about clean counter tops or sinks. I, on the other hand, can't stand them to be dirty. I don't think my wife has cleaned the sink in 10 years. I do it at least once a day, sometimes more often.
What we both don't care about, cleaning bathrooms and dusting (within reason in both cases), the maid handles.
It's a good working relationship.
Oh yes, one more thing. She figured out how to deal with the laundry thing. She drives to work. I usually work at home. She got in the habit of spending a whole day on the weekend doing laundry. We're supposed to do things together on weekends. Since I could not get her to do a load of laundry each night, I had the choice of learning to do it her way or putting up with spending a day sitting on my hands while she did it on the weekend. I learned to do it her way . . .at least while she's watching. I do a load of whatever has accumulated enough on most week days even though I've been banned from doing so.
My way of doing laundry: Separate things by those that wrinkle if left in the washer or dryer and those that don't. Colors are not important. Stuff as much in the large capacity washing machine and dryer as will fit. What's a fabric softener? Her way of doing laundry: Separate things by color. Take everything out of the washer as soon as it's done. Take stuff out of the dryer when it's done. Jeans and dress shirts of similar colors go in the same load. All loads are small, very small. Towels only go with other towels, sheets and pillow cases go together, not with anything else. Don't even think of failing to put a fabric softener sheet in the dryer. More than one is good.
My way of keeping peace in the household? I do several things without fail: 1. Always, she gets a kiss when I leave the house or she does, even if it's to run to the local store. 2. She gets told how much I love her several times a day, every day, whether I'm home or not. When I'm on the road, I call at least once every day, sometimes twice. We email each other several times a day too. Last year, we took separate vacations. I went shooting in Wyoming with Rick Simms, she went on a cruise with Rick's wife. They were out of phone range for most of a week. I hated it. We won't do that any more, even if it means I have to get on a damned cruise ship every few years. 3. I say "Yes Dear" a lot. 4. While I maintain veto power over almost everything, I very, very rarely exercise it. 5. I make good money and pay all the large bills. She doesn't even see them. She takes care of the smaller stuff. It's a partnership based on sharing, not on who does what or how much. 6. Did I mention I'm an impulse buyer? My impulses are just as likely to result in something for her as something for me, maybe more so.
Lee
Greg Mossman - 15 Jan 2008 18:23 GMT > I hired a lawn service the next day and sold the lawn > mower, edger and most other yard tools shortly thereafter. I haven't mowed a > lawn in 15 years.
> What we both don't care about, cleaning bathrooms and dusting (within reason > in both cases), the maid handles. Just curious, especially since you live in an area with a large immigrant population, are the people that mow your lawn and clean your house all verified citizens or legal residents?
Lee Bell - 14 Jan 2008 16:18 GMT > Reluctant SO's are sometimes best left at that - they can make > themselves and you (and the instructor) miserable if they are learning > to dive due to pressure from a loved one. You can encourage, but I > wouldn't push. Sage advice once again.
Most of us that learned to dive over the years, decided we wanted to on our own. More often than not, we snorkeled first, freedived second and scuba dived last. Getting your SO interested that way, living in the north, is not going to be as easy as it was for me, living in Florida. A lot of people have managed to turn their significant others completely off on diving by pressuring them to try before they are ready.
My suggestion is that you do one of two things: 1. Plan vacations in places with interesting snorkeling in depths from 15 to 30 feet. That's shallow enough to enjoy snorkeling, but deep enough to want to get closer to whatever she finds interesting. When the desire to see more and the opportunity to learn to dive occur at the same time, you'll have your chance. 2. Find a different dive buddy and accept that fact that your wife may never decide she wants to dive too. Even if you chose this option, there's no reason you can't take her snorkeling occasionally.
Lee
Jason A. - 15 Jan 2008 00:18 GMT Yeah, I have *no* intention of pushing her. Gently encouraging, sure, push no. When I first met her, we went to a pool a couple times swimming, she was afraid of getting into water over her head. With some encouragement from me, and letting her set the pace, she'll now swim anywhere.
I'll have to find out if the dive shop we went to for her fins for Hawaii has the "discover SCUBA," in part because she really liked the one sales lady who worked with her on getting fins and boots. The lady didn't push her towards anything, actually suggested she get the inexpensive, discounted, on clearance fins, rather than a more expensive set.
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> Maybe take her to a pool "discover > Scuba" or something? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > * ScubaZine - 15 Jan 2008 00:54 GMT > Yeah, I have *no* intention of pushing her. Gently encouraging, sure, > push no. When I first met her, we went to a pool a couple times [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> * I notice in Texas the YMCA is running a free introductory Scuba course
http://www.scubazine.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=525
Maybe something similar in your area?
Lee
Dan Bracuk - 16 Jan 2008 03:57 GMT "Jason A." <jash7165@wideopenwest.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:Hi all, : [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] :(Michigan, USA) would also help (we live outside Detroit, and going :somewhere that's a "dive spot" every year is way out of the budget) On the fence means not interested.
My suggestion is the next time you go somewhere nice, have your wife take a resort course. Those are generally free. Then you might want to pay for an ocean dive.
Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
chilly - 16 Jan 2008 09:06 GMT > :somewhere that's a "dive spot" every year is way out of the budget) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > take a resort course. Those are generally free. Then you might want > to pay for an ocean dive. Resort courses aren't generally free. The tryscuba in the pool courses are free.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 16 Jan 2008 17:24 GMT >> :somewhere that's a "dive spot" every year is way out of the budget) >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > are > free. FYI, they aren't down here ("Intro To Scuba")(or at least around here).
It's usually $25, w/ 4 person min.
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Dan Bracuk - 17 Jan 2008 02:21 GMT "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:Resort courses aren't generally free. The tryscuba in the pool courses are :free. I go to a lot of resorts and can't remember seeing the last one that wasn't free.
Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
chilly - 17 Jan 2008 03:45 GMT > "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> pounded away at his keyboard resulting > in: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I go to a lot of resorts and can't remember seeing the last one that > wasn't free. Tryinthepool vs Resort Course. Resort Course "certifies" a "diver" to 40' for that vacation only and with the resort DM (or something silly like that).
What we really need here is a PADI professional from the Caribbean to post a reply on this thread. :^)
Grumman-581 - 17 Jan 2008 09:43 GMT > What I'm looking for, are any suggestions on things I can show her that > she *might* see while diving. Next time you're diving and she's snorkelling, let her breathe off your octopus... Once she gets used to being able to breathe when she's not on the surface, she'll never want to go back to having to hold her breath... You'll probably want to ensure that she's weighted neutral so that she won't be fighting to stay underwater the whole time... Let her dive with you that way for awhile and if it interests her, she'll want to get her own gear so she won't be tied to you...
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Don Gingrich - 19 Jan 2008 22:46 GMT >> What I'm looking for, are any suggestions on things I can show her >> that she *might* see while diving. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > it interests her, she'll want to get her own gear so she won't be > tied to you... The only point that springs to mind here is reminding her to breathe out on the way to the surface. It doesn't take much to "blow" a lung. The primary reason why I'd never give a snorkeler who came up to me a breath on my SCUBA. *Possible* exception would be someone who gave all of the correct SCUBA "share air" signals.
-Don
Grumman-581 - 19 Jan 2008 22:57 GMT > The only point that springs to mind here is reminding her to breathe out > on the way to the surface. It doesn't take much to "blow" a lung. The > primary reason why I'd never give a snorkeler who came up to me a breath > on my SCUBA. Agreed... I kind of skipped over that in my quick reply to the OP, but I do mention it in the link that I normally post to these types of questions...
http://grumman581.googlepages.com/scuba-certification
> *Possible* exception would be someone who gave all of the correct SCUBA > "share air" signals. Oh, you mean the person who swims up to you and yanks your regulator from your mouth... Agreed... <grin>
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Lee Bell - 20 Jan 2008 16:36 GMT > The only point that springs to mind here is reminding > her to breathe out on the way to the surface. It doesn't > take much to "blow" a lung. The primary reason why I'd > never give a snorkeler who came up to me a breath on my > SCUBA. *Possible* exception would be someone who gave > all of the correct SCUBA "share air" signals. You mean somebody that comes up and snatches the regulator out of your mouth, right?
Lee
Lee Bell - 20 Jan 2008 16:39 GMT Grumman-581 wrote:
> *Possible* exception would be someone who gave all of the correct SCUBA > "share air" signals. Oh, you mean the person who swims up to you and yanks your regulator from your mouth... Agreed... <grin>
You beat me to it. Bastard.
Lee
Jason A. - 20 Jan 2008 21:12 GMT Well, everyone, thanks for the hints...
I think washing the linens might have done the trick ;-)
We went up to a local dive shop today, to pick up info on taking the basic SCUBA classes, to get the prices, and I think part of what might be involved in her deciding to take the classes, is the fact that one of the women at our work, and her husband, are planning to get SCUBA certified this summer, prior to their going to Hawaii next year. So, my wife takes the classes with them, which means she knows someone in the classes.
Me, the guy at the dive shop said he could get me in as a refresher course, cheap, which I need. The rust on my skills is so bad, if I were a steel beam, I'd be getting replaced, not de-rusted...
:-)
> Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Thanks all, > Jason
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