If it's an article, reveal the source.  Normally, when people cite
facts, they can back them up.  You don't have anything if you don't
have a source.

In any case, the work has already been done so none of us here need
become Islamic scholars to try to dispute your hateful racist tract.

So here's a rebuttal of your "article", point by point:

http://www.csidonline.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=341&Itemid=1

Here's another, by a Harvard PhD, that shreds your "article"'s facts
in several areas:

http://www.pakistanlink.com/Opinion/2006/June06/09/01.HTM

Here's more, on the same general topics:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/notislam/misconceptions.html

Knock yourself out.

Of course not.  Where do you get this crap from?  Just make it up
apparently.

You said you found it disturbing.  What was disturbing?  Everyone else
practically finds these generalizations complete racist bullshit.
Which it is.

I know more than some.  I spent a year working in Indonesia which is
the largest Muslim nation in the world.  I did point out the errors;
.e.g every stupid thing your post said.  How's that?  Meanwhile, you
seem to think that you can post bullshit like this and it's someone
else's responsibility to find its errors. YOU are the one who posted
it, so YOU either back it up or get off your high horse.

A complete lie.  Are you a complete idiot?  Everything you put in that
post is a generalization.  Or do you also not know what a
generalization is?  Completely bizarre.

You apparently can't comprehend plain English.  Several people,
including me, have told you just what a load of crap it is.  Go back
to elementary school if you can't understand plain English.

In plain English, f.ck you.  You put up the stupid post.  YOU prove
it's accurate.  Clear enough?

Fact

Fact

Fact

Fact

Fact

They can't

...

Greg posted three links that pointed out the mistakes. You're
pretending to not see it.

You and your ignorant redneck buddies will ignore this as well. You
simply lack the balls to admit that you ignorantly posted a bigoted
screed.

http://islam.about.com/od/commonmisconceptions/tp/myths.htm

Your idiotic posting -"Domestically, no, because he is instructed to
marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him
(Quran 4:34)."

The facts: - Most of the ill-treatment that women receive in the
Muslim world is based on local culture and traditions, without any
basis in the faith of Islam. In fact, practices such as forced
marriage, spousal abuse, and restricted movement directly contradict
Islamic law governing family behavior and personal freedom.

Your idiotic posting - "Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
freedom of religion and expression."

The facts: - Throughout the Qur'an, Muslims are reminded that they are
not the only ones who worship God. Jews and Christians are called
"People of the Book," meaning people who have received previous
revelations from the One Almighty God that we all worship. The Qur'an
also commands Muslims to protect from harm not only mosques, but also
monasteries, synagogues, and churches -- because "God is worshipped
therein."

More from Dr. Abidullah A. Ghazi (PhD, Harvard)
http://www.pakistanlink.com/Opinion/2006/June06/09/01.HTM

The article in question is on the Internet and in its full form is
roughly two pages in length. Its author is none other than the Rev.
Anis Shorrosh, a Palestinian Christian who has since the 1980s made
quite a name for himself for bashing Islam. Rev. Shorrosh has written
several virulently inaccurate and hate-filled books, including Islam
Revealed and Islam: A Threat or A Challenge. One of his more recent
feats has been the creation of a mock Qur'an known as the True Furqan,
an outlandish parody which has been made available for widespread
distribution.
At the commencement of the piece under discussion, Rev. Shorrosh poses
the question, "Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and loyal
citizen?" He then proceeds to provide us with a reply that, in
essence, asserts that Muslims can hardly be considered decent human
beings, let alone good Americans. Thus Rev. Shorrosh, a "man of God",
not only displays his abhorrence of Muslims worldwide, but more so of
Muslim Americans. Portions of the complete article have been
anonymously sent out over the Internet with words encouraging readers
to continue passing on his article with the words: "Pass it on; this
war is bigger than we know!!"
My response to Rev. Shorrosh is not based on my own opinion, but
rather on the two sources of Islamic faith and law: the Qur'an and
Tradition of the Prophet (the Sunnah). These two are the wellsprings
that 1.5 billion human beings hold dear to their lives. The Qur'an and
Tradition of the Prophet, enjoin upon Muslim to be best models of
humanity and law-abiding residents in the societies in which they
live. Therefore Muslim Americans not only have a religious obligation
to be loyal citizens, and in their actions they have time and time
again proven themselves to be good for America in every sense of this
word as friends, neighbors, colleagues and professionals. Thus for
Muslims the issue is not if they could be but in fact they are model
human beings and very good and productive citizens whose loyalty and
education is without semblance of doubt. If some of us Muslims have
not fulfilled our societal obligations it is due to our own human
frailties not some supposed defect within our Sacred Scripture or in
the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him).
Let me first respond to some of the arguments that Rev. Shorrosh has
presented in his attempt to demonstrate that Muslims cannot, no matter
how they try, be dedicated and loyal American citizens. He furnishes
the reader with nine questions and an already constructed response on
each. He asks:

"Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and loyal citizen?"
1). Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Akbar [sic!], the
moon god of Arabia.

First let me clarify that Muslims do not worship a "moon god" called
Akbar or any other god save the One God, the God of Abraham and the
One God of all the other prophets and messengers (upon them all be
peace!). The personal name of that God in the Arabic language is Allah
(which in Hebrew is Eloah, or in the Aramaic of Jesus Alaha). In the
Islamic tradition Allah is also known by ninety-nine beautiful names,
none of which is "Akbar" as Rev. Shorrosh refers to here. Two of most
frequently used of these names of Allah are ar-Rahman, "Most Gracious"
and ar-Rahim, "Most Merciful." Allah is the Lord and Master (Rabb and
Malik) of all humanity and the entire cosmic order. He is the same God
Who is worshipped by the Jews and Christians, not some alien deity or
as some (like Craig Winn) have viciously suggested, Satan himself!
Muslims believe that Allah revealed His final book, the Qur'an, to the
Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him). In short, the
central and core message presented in the Qur'an is Tawhid, "the
Oneness of God". It teaches Muslims to not only worship One God, but
to enjoin good and prevent evil (Qur'an 3: 104, 110). Prophet Muhammad
was a model on how to practice the teachings of the Qur'an in daily
life. The message of the Qur'an and traditions of Prophet Muhammad
teach how to be good model human beings. It directs believers to
respect both the rights of the Creator (huquq Allah) as well as the
rights of humanity (huquq al-cibad). The Qur'an teaches us not only to
return the good that others may do to us with some thing good (Qur'an
55:60) but to return any harm done to us with benevolence, or ahsan
(Qur'an 41:34) How can a Muslim not be a decent human being and ideal
citizen if he or she follows such Divine injunctions?

"Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and loyal citizen?"
2) Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of
Islam and the Qur'an.

For those who may not know Islam lays down five fundamental acts of
belief and action which are called the "Five Pillars." These are:
a. Shahadah: To bear witness that "There is no god but One God and
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah."
b. Salah: Five daily prayers, each of which concludes with a prayer
for the well-being of all the children and followers of Abraham.
c. Sawm: Fasting in the month of Ramadan, the ninth month of Islamic
lunar calendar.
d. Hajj: Pilgrimage to Makkah. This is made once in a lifetime for
those who can afford it and are in good health. This pilgrimage to the
first House of God, established by our common spiritual ancestors,
Abraham and his eldest son Ishmael.
e. Zakat: This is a minimum obligatory charity on the savings that the
affluent must pay t the needy of the society. For the maximum there is
no limit.
Viewing these Five Pillars, an impartial observer will find them to be
surprisingly close to Biblical values, demonstrating that Islam is a
continuation of the traditions of earlier prophets and their upright
teachings. These Five Pillars strengthen a Muslim's faith in Allah and
humanity at large. They offer a comprehensive plan for spiritual
purification, social fulfillment and mutual cooperation. How can a
people who are obliged to be spiritually pure, socially interactive
and economically concerned for others not be good human being or good
citizens?

"Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and loyal citizen?"
3). Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca for he
turns toward it in prayer five times a day.

This answer is in itself fraught with defective reasoning. Mecca
[Makkah] is a city, not a political entity to which one can make his
or her "allegiance". Makkah is a city in Arabia that was founded
centuries before by Abraham, his wife Hagar, and his eldest son,
Ishmael. It houses the House of God, called the Ka'bah (Qur'an
2:124-131). It is the most sacred sanctuary in the world to Muslims.
As mentioned above, Muslims are required to make the pilgrimage (Hajj)
to it once in a lifetime. Believers turn toward the Ka'bah five times
a day when they pray following the tradition of their Prophet Abraham,
our common ancestor.
However, Muslims do not owe political allegiance to the city or any of
those who may be ruling over it now or in the past, be it mayor or
king. Nor do the rulers of Saudi Arabia (who control Mecca politically
nowadays) claim all Muslims to be their subjects. If belonging to a
religion that has its holiest of shrines or roots in foreign lands
disallows one from belong a "true" American? Are we ready to level the
same charge against American Jews, Eastern Orthodox, Protestants and
Catholics? The laws of the United States grant all of its citizens the
freedom of worship (or abstaining from worship). Muslim Americans
utilize this liberty, as do Americans of other faiths, so as to
enhance their spirituality, improve their character and help serve
society.
It must also be remembered that America is a country that was built
through the efforts of immigrants, be they English Puritans, German
farmers, Jewish shopkeepers or Mexican day-laborers. To ask Americans
not to have empathy (which is not to be confused with allegiance!) for
the countries from which their forefathers hailed is as unreasonable
as it is un-American.

"Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and loyal citizen?"
4). Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam demands that he make
no friends of Christians and Jews. Q.[ur'an] 5:51
Muslims have allegiance to Islam as much as Jews, Christians and other
religious communities to their respective faiths. Islam is a religion
that recognizes at its very core the legitimacy of the faith
traditions that came before it. As a faith it manifestly teaches
religious tolerance (Qur'an 2:256 and 109:6), regardless of how bigots
throughout history and modern-day Islamophobes have twist the Qur'an
to prove otherwise. This attitude of tolerance has historically
manifested itself and has overshadowed whatever tolerance may have
been offered by pre-modern Western civilization. This tolerance made
the lands of Islam a refuge for European Jewry as well as for non-
conformist Christians in centuries past.
Both Jews and Christians have a special status as the "People of the
Book" in Islam. Historically they were given the internal autonomy to
practice their faith and manage their own institutions in the lands of
Islam. The Prophet taught Muslims to protect places of worships and
respect religious institutions of people of other faiths, and even not
to use inappropriate language in conversations and dialogues. (Qur'an
29:46) Thanks to these Qur'anic teachings of tolerance, Muslim lands
were once centers of peace and cultural development for all the
peoples that lived within. The verse that Rev. Shorrosh provides as
evidence for "Islamic" intolerance needs to be put into proper
context. In times of hostilities Muslims are advised not to accept as
WALIS those who may stand against them; it is an Arabic term that does
not translate as "friend" or even "associate". Rather it means
"protector" or "guardian." In times of peace Islam encourages
cooperation and social interaction with not only People of the Book
but with all humanity (Qur'an 5:2). Moreover Islam enjoined birr
(good) and qist (justice) towards all human beings irrespective of
their faith, if they are not violently hostile towards Muslims. Now,
birr is the characteristic that Qur'an prescribes for the children
toward their parents. Thus in the teachings of the Qur'an even a
stranger is worthy of birr and qist for his/her right as human.

same with the Christians

Probably conned the Department of Homeland Security into some grant money
claiming it was related to fighting terrorism just like a lot of police
departments do these days...

Just to clarify, the SWAT unit sent to the Said house was not a
Lewisville Police Department unit, although it did include some
Lewisville officers. It was actually the Denton County SWAT Unit,
which includes officers from several different departments in the
area. All of the SWAT members have regular duties within their own
departments (patrol, traffic, records, administation) but also undergo
additonal training in SWAT techniques and prodecures. If a SWAT unit
is needed, they are called in to serve that purpose.

On Jan 6, 8:24 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
<Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:

In Egypt?  He'd be out celebrating every night by shooting an AK-47 in
the air.  I've heard that particular practice is now banned in Texas.
What's this country coming to?

But they have supporters in the old country.  Here, if the daughters
managed to escape with a few bruises and ran to the cops, I doubt the
old man would get much respect no matter who his daughters slept with.

Right.

And I didn't start this one.  It's a racist thread started by Lee.
You're the one who introduced the gun-related incident.  You claim
it's impossible to ban guns, then pander to someone who wants to ban
Muslims and Mexicans.  Go figure.

Or bigoted racist threads.

Like his proposal and podium that America needs Mexicans because white
people are too lazy to provide him with cheap strawberries.

Makes it kinda hard to be on vacation all the time if you actually have to
pay people what they are worth.

But hey, I guess you can only exploit the willing, right?

well is one downside to an other wise great country (mostly )