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Scuba Forum / General / January 2008USCG - The Guardian movie - rescue swimmer
My son grabbed this movie from Blockbuster last night The Guardian - about the USCG helo rescue swimmer training basically "top gun" style movie for the USCG We really liked it. The bonus behind the scenes stuff was great. But, we had some questions about the water entries.... The all have their masks on their foreheads, but my son was taught that if you do that, they get ripped off by waves ? Also - jumping in - how do they do that and not break their ankles with their fins on from 10-25ft ? It was interesting that in the movie, it is taught... 10-25ft entry, 50ft like hitting concrete, 100ft dead "P.Schuman" <pschuman_NO_SPAM_ME@interserv.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :The all have their masks on their foreheads, :but my son was taught that if you do that, :they get ripped off by waves ? Depends where you are and where the waves are. If you are doing a shore entry or exit and there are big waves it could be a problem. If you are sitting on a boat, certainly not. Mask on the forehead underwater indicates another problem altogether. Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. > "P.Schuman" <pschuman_NO_SPAM_ME@interserv.com> pounded away at his > keyboard resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Dan Bracuk > Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. This was more related to the movie vs my son's scuba education. In the movie or real life - as you've probably seen, the rescue swimmers jump from the chopper into the water wearing their mask, snorkel, and fins.... into the raging sea... Later we see - when resting in the water, their masks are up on their forehead with just a single strap.... SO - how the heck does it stay on in 12-20ft waves ? and - jumping in with large fins attached... how do you not damage your ankles hitting the water ? Anyway - good flick - at least for us... "P.Schuman" <pschuman_NO_SPAM_ME@interserv.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Later we see - when resting in the water, :their masks are up on their forehead :with just a single strap.... :SO - how the heck does it stay on in 12-20ft waves ? Because a floating diver will go up and down with the waves. They won't crash over him. Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. > This was more related to the movie vs my son's scuba education. > In the movie or real life - as you've probably seen, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with just a single strap.... > SO - how the heck does it stay on in 12-20ft waves ? Why should it? If you wear it strap on forehead, the waves would sneak up from behind. The dangerous moment is jumping into the water without properly securing the mask. I have bene in the sea at gale force 7-8 with mask on forehead while swimming on my back for about 3 km. No problem whatsoever. This mask on back of head is a strange PADI idea, to tell unpnicked divers from panicky ones. They have no other means to tell it. They tend to get confused, though, once out of the zoo. Matthias On Jan 5, 10:04 am, "P.Schuman" <pschuman_NO_SPAM...@interserv.com> wrote: > My son grabbed this movie from Blockbuster last night > The Guardian - about the USCG helo rescue swimmer training [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > It was interesting that in the movie, it is taught... > 10-25ft entry, 50ft like hitting concrete, 100ft dead Was working in a SCUBA shop a while back, checking inventory Suddenly the door opened. A patient father and his 5 kids swarmed in, taking over the store; excitingly checking out everything all wanting mask, snorkles & fins. Upshot was ,They had all seen " The Guardian " and all the kids immediately wanted to be Coast Guard Rescue Swimmers. Quite cute; & a good way to lead them to the water > On Jan 5, 10:04 am, "P.Schuman" <pschuman_NO_SPAM...@interserv.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Quite cute; & a good way to lead them to the water our son's high school swim team have 2 seniors from last year, that are freshman at the academy/s right now. one for Navy and swims & plays water polo one for CG - swims & plays water polo one still a SR, that will join his friend at the Navy for swim & water polo I can really appreciate those 500 swimmers.... >The all have their masks on their foreheads, >but my son was taught that if you do that, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >with their fins on from 10-25ft ? > An old geezer like Costner would probably break a hip, too. As for the masks, chalk it up to Hollywood vanity. Even a handsome fellow like me (snort!) looks like a bug-eyed goofball wearing one. Plus they make you talk like Donald Duck. (snip)> > Also - jumping in - > how do they do that and not break their ankles > with their fins on from 10-25ft ? > > It was interesting that in the movie, it is taught... > 10-25ft entry, 50ft like hitting concrete, 100ft dead I don't know what is like jumping out of a helicopter but the boat I was diving off of on Koh Tao, had at least a 12' drop. I never particulary worried about my ankles . . I did worry about breaking my fin(s). And every third entry or so, I'd whack the back of one thigh . hurt like an SOB and eventually managed to mangle some groin muscles. All that said, one would assume that the Guardians are in better shape and much better trained. :^) > My son grabbed this movie from Blockbuster last night > The Guardian - about the USCG hello rescue swimmer training [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > but my son was taught that if you do that, > they get ripped off by waves ? Hollywood- gotta see the face. > Also - jumping in - > how do they do that and not break their ankles > with their fins on from 10-25ft ? Hard rubber fins pointed straight down. I've jumped from about 15 ft full scuba gear, and the ankles were no problem. I did leave a mark for -months- on my head from the regulator. > It was interesting that in the movie, it is taught... > 10-25ft entry, 50ft like hitting concrete, 100ft dead Way back when I was young and flexible, I jumped from over 70 ft, (into fresh water, if that makes a difference in density) and it stings your feet but it's not that bad. I thought the movie was great, too.  SignatureDoes anybody here really think that taking away the guns will stop killing? Or knives, or icepicks, or chains, or ropes, or baseball bats, or poisons, or cars & trucks. People are gonna kill people, and they'll always think of a new weapon if you take away the old ones. And just because I carry a potential weapon doesn't mean I intend to commit murder, or that I may be tempted to commit murder. I often carry a big ugly knife. Lots of my friends do too. I have never heard of anyone being tempted to use the knife on anyone just because they have it with them. You gotta be in the mood to do the killing and you use what's at hand. -Jeff Cooper Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762 On Jan 6, 7:23 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > My son grabbed this movie from Blockbuster last night > > The Guardian - about the USCG hello rescue swimmer training [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Hard rubber fins pointed straight down. That would seem to leave your ankles more exposed to injury since they'd be flexed. If the fins didn't enter just right . . . snap. I'd imagine their fins are shorter than average scuba fins. Hitting the water heel first would seem to make the most sense. > I've jumped from about 15 ft full scuba gear, and the ankles were no > problem. > > I did leave a mark for -months- on my head from the regulator. Like anyone would notice. > > It was interesting that in the movie, it is taught... > > 10-25ft entry, 50ft like hitting concrete, 100ft dead > > Way back when I was young and flexible, I jumped from over 70 ft, (into > fresh water, if that makes a difference in density) and it stings your feet > but it's not that bad. Acapulco cliff divers routinely dive from well over 100ft and not all them wind up dead. Maybe they get better training than the Coast Guard cadets. > Acapulco cliff divers routinely dive from well over 100ft and not all > them wind up dead. Maybe they get better training than the Coast Guard > cadets. Yeah, Darwin is a good teacher... SignatureAbove email address not valid. Look in NNTP headers for real contact info. >> Acapulco cliff divers routinely dive from well over 100ft and not all >> them wind up dead. Maybe they get better training than the Coast >> Guard cadets. > > Yeah, Darwin is a good teacher... dive vs jump - how big a hole in the water & surface tension are you entering > Way back when I was young and flexible, I jumped from over 70 ft, (into > fresh water, if that makes a difference in density) and it stings your > feet but it's not that bad. Put your hands in front of you so that they break the water first... SignatureAbove email address not valid. Look in NNTP headers for real contact info. > I've jumped from about 15 ft full scuba gear, and the ankles were no > problem. > I did leave a mark for -months- on my head from the regulator. > > It was interesting that in the movie, it is taught... > > 10-25ft entry, 50ft like hitting concrete, 100ft dead > Way back when I was young and flexible, I jumped from over 70 ft, (into > fresh water, if that makes a difference in density) and it stings your feet > but it's not that bad. sh.t, as you know, we did the 30 foot jump in full gear with friggin helmets (not the Fritz) and a rifle. I spent many days jumping off this bridge, top and bottom, into the Mad River; http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=mad+river+ca &ie=UTF8&ll=40.92419,-124.12081&spn=0.004086,0.007296&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr&om=1 Entry to Our favorite crawdad hole is a 20 foot run to the edge (15 foot drop to the water), you launch (gotta clear the rocks and stumps at the bottom), roll onto your back and hit the water with your tank first (not recommended unless you are wearing a proper backplate). Exit is about 300 yards away and easy to walk out. > I thought the movie was great, too. Havent seen it, but will. >> I've jumped from about 15 ft full scuba gear, and the ankles were no >> problem. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=mad+river+ca &ie=UTF8&ll=40.92419,-124.12081&spn=0.004086,0.007296&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr&om=1 This is a much better bridge for jumping because it is higher and the water is cleaner in the Smith River. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=smith+river+ ca&ie=UTF8&ll=41.801263,-124.054098&spn=0.003215,0.007231&t=h&z=17&om=1 By the way, can you name the 6 rivers of the Six Rivers National Forest without Google? > By the way, can you name the 6 rivers of the Six Rivers National Forest > without Google? So it's ok to use a different search engine? Cool... Using Altavista, I come up with this: http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/sixrivers/about So, this was a trick question, right? SignatureAbove email address not valid. Look in NNTP headers for real contact info. > On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:35:31 -0600, ben "The Butt Pirate" bradlee wrote: > > By the way, can you name the 6 rivers of the Six Rivers National Forest > > without Google? > So it's ok to use a different search engine? Cool... Using Altavista, I > come up with this: > http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/sixrivers/about > So, this was a trick question, right? He probably thought it was. <cough> Thank God for killfiles. "Grumman-581" <grumman581-rec-scuba@spambob.net> wrote in .. >> Can you name the 6 rivers of the Six Rivers National Forest >> without Google? > > So, this was a trick question, right? Absolutely, that was a trick question. <wink> The "real" question is can you name the 5, or 7, or 15 rivers of the Six Rivers National Forest. > My son grabbed this movie from Blockbuster last night > The Guardian - about the USCG helo rescue swimmer training [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > how do they do that and not break their ankles > with their fins on from 10-25ft ? As a freshman in college (in the corps at Texas A&M), we were required to enter the water from the 10 meter board (no scuba gear). It's not as bad as you might think as long as you remain vertical. We were required to hold our noses during entry and to secure the arm holding our nose so that we didn't break our noses. As far as breaking the ankles, I'd guess that the fins aren't stiff enough to be able to apply enough leverage against the ankles to break them, but I don't know that for sure. > It was interesting that in the movie, it is taught... > 10-25ft entry, 50ft like hitting concrete, 100ft dead ~35 feet wasn't a big deal. We were told that 75 feet wasn't really an issue, but it would sting pretty bad when we hit. |
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