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Vaccinations for Belize?

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Sheldon - 05 Jan 2008 04:40 GMT
What's the scoop on vaccinations for divers visiting Belize?  My doc
recommended renewing my DPT vaccination (been 10 years), and vaccinations
for Hep A.  Got both today -- can't hurt.

It looks like the CDC recommends a Typhoid vaccination, and precautions for
Malaria seem to be debatable.  You can take precautions before you leave, or
just use nets and good products with Deet in leu of medications.  I was
looking at some clothing that's supposed to contain bug repellents.  Looks
interesting and stylish.

Any thoughts?

Sheldon
chilly - 05 Jan 2008 07:35 GMT
> What's the scoop on vaccinations for divers visiting Belize?  My doc
> recommended renewing my DPT vaccination (been 10 years), and vaccinations
> for Hep A.  Got both today -- can't hurt.

DPT?? Diptheria?  OK . .since you already got it.  Hep B couldn't have hurt
either.  Too bad you didn't go for the TwinRix.

> It looks like the CDC recommends a Typhoid vaccination, and precautions for
> Malaria seem to be debatable.

Typhoid?  Are you going inland?  Then yes, can't hurt.  Had a friend
contract typhoid.  Think she was near Hopkins, but I could be wrong about
that.  In any event, it wasn't on Ambergris Caye.

Did you get or need booster for Tetanus?

>You can take precautions before you leave, or
> just use nets and good products with Deet in leu of medications.  I was
> looking at some clothing that's supposed to contain bug repellents.  Looks
> interesting and stylish.
>
> Any thoughts?

Make sure to take lots and lots of DEET.  Use it! :^)

Stylish?  LOL.  No one goes stylish in Belize.

> Sheldon
Al Wells - 05 Jan 2008 12:06 GMT
> Stylish?  LOL.  No one goes stylish in Belize.

Not even a stylish banana?
Sheldon - 05 Jan 2008 16:53 GMT
>> Stylish?  LOL.  No one goes stylish in Belize.
>
> Not even a stylish banana?

Since I shave my head, I better look for a stylish banana. :-)  Thanks for
the reminder.
chilly - 06 Jan 2008 08:12 GMT
> >> Stylish?  LOL.  No one goes stylish in Belize.
> >
> > Not even a stylish banana?
>
> Since I shave my head, I better look for a stylish banana. :-)  Thanks for
> the reminder.

:^)

to you both.
Sheldon - 05 Jan 2008 16:52 GMT
>> What's the scoop on vaccinations for divers visiting Belize?  My doc
>> recommended renewing my DPT vaccination (been 10 years), and vaccinations
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> hurt
> either.  Too bad you didn't go for the TwinRix.

Since I'm going with my girlfriend I figured Hep B was a real longshot.  So
far it looks like I'll be on Ambergris.  Most tetinus shots are DPT.  I
"think" that's what I got (DPT).

>> It looks like the CDC recommends a Typhoid vaccination, and precautions
> for
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> contract typhoid.  Think she was near Hopkins, but I could be wrong about
> that.  In any event, it wasn't on Ambergris Caye.

I"ll ask about it.

> Did you get or need booster for Tetanus?

That's the T in DPT, and I was due.

>>You can take precautions before you leave, or
>> just use nets and good products with Deet in leu of medications.  I was
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Make sure to take lots and lots of DEET.  Use it! :^)

As opposed to the medications you can take before you leave?

> Stylish?  LOL.  No one goes stylish in Belize.

Well, "my" definition of stylish.  Lots of T shirts and convertible pants
and shorts.

Sheldon
chilly - 05 Jan 2008 22:34 GMT
> >> What's the scoop on vaccinations for divers visiting Belize?  My doc
> >> recommended renewing my DPT vaccination (been 10 years), and vaccinations
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> far it looks like I'll be on Ambergris.  Most tetinus shots are DPT.  I
> "think" that's what I got (DPT).

OK, no worries then and I've learned something new today.  :^)

> >> It looks like the CDC recommends a Typhoid vaccination, and precautions
> > for
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I"ll ask about it.

You won't need it for Ambergris, really.

> > Did you get or need booster for Tetanus?
> >
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>
> As opposed to the medications you can take before you leave?

If you are going to Ambergris, you shouldn't need to worry about
anti-malarials.

> > Stylish?  LOL.  No one goes stylish in Belize.
>
> Well, "my" definition of stylish.  Lots of T shirts and convertible pants
> and shorts.

Your definition of stylish is the right definition.  :^)

Have fun!  When do you go?

> Sheldon
Sheldon - 06 Jan 2008 00:44 GMT
>> >> What's the scoop on vaccinations for divers visiting Belize?  My doc
>> >> recommended renewing my DPT vaccination (been 10 years), and
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
>
>> Sheldon

Going sometime in March.  My girlfriend has been there but I haven't.
Dillon Pyron - 09 Jan 2008 15:07 GMT
>What's the scoop on vaccinations for divers visiting Belize?  My doc
>recommended renewing my DPT vaccination (been 10 years), and vaccinations
>for Hep A.  Got both today -- can't hurt.

Yeah, when I had my Hep B, my PCP recommendrd A since I'll probably be
exposed to A.  I also had to have tetenus, but it wasn't DPT.

Since I'm "of that age", he tested me for veracella, MMR and rubeola
antigens.   And in early August, I had to be tested for TB, which I
have to be tested for every year, now.

And in what is the silliest, I had to take CPR for Healthcare
Providers.  I teach CPR, but not the specific course.  If I was an AED
instructor, I wouldn't have to.

>It looks like the CDC recommends a Typhoid vaccination, and precautions for
>Malaria seem to be debatable.  You can take precautions before you leave, or
>just use nets and good products with Deet in leu of medications.  I was
>looking at some clothing that's supposed to contain bug repellents.  Looks
>interesting and stylish.

If you're diving only, I wouldn't worry about typhoid or malaria.
Those are mostly in shore issues.  Places like Ambergris really don't
have any problems, although I would take standard anti misquito
precautions, if for no other reason than to avoid scratching myself
raw.

Oh yeah, some of the anit malarials can cause psychotic sides in some
people.

>Any thoughts?
>
>Sheldon
>
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-hh - 09 Jan 2008 15:35 GMT
> Oh yeah, some of the anit malarials can cause psychotic sides in some
> people.

Side Effects translation Guide:  "Vivid Dreams" actually means
Nightmares.

FWIW, I've also found that they can cause poor balance on the first
~24 hours after taking them for the first 2-3 doses.   Don't go hiking
near cliff edges.

-hh
Sheldon - 11 Jan 2008 02:37 GMT
>> Oh yeah, some of the anit malarials can cause psychotic sides in some
>> people.
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>
> -hh

Thanks.  I think I'll stick with DEET.
Dillon Pyron - 14 Jan 2008 04:43 GMT
>>> Oh yeah, some of the anit malarials can cause psychotic sides in some
>>> people.
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>
>Thanks.  I think I'll stick with DEET.

Be aware:  The best DEET is 100%.  100% DEET has its own issues.
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Grumman-581 - 14 Jan 2008 04:56 GMT
> Be aware:  The best DEET is 100%.  100% DEET has its own issues.

I like to buy the 100% stuff and then mix it with rubbing alcohol for
whatever percentage that I want to use... That way, you don't get the
strange smells that some of the companies put in their products...

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chilly - 14 Jan 2008 08:45 GMT
> > Be aware:  The best DEET is 100%.  100% DEET has its own issues.
>
> I like to buy the 100% stuff and then mix it with rubbing alcohol for
> whatever percentage that I want to use... That way, you don't get the
> strange smells that some of the companies put in their products...

The government up here decided that we can't make our own decisions with
regard to the amount of DEET we are willing to apply to our bodies.
Therefore, I can't get anything over 30%.

For anyone that would ship me some 95 or 97.5% Deep Woods Off . . or any
brand, I would consider that a friendly thing to do.
Grumman-581 - 14 Jan 2008 09:30 GMT
> The government up here decided that we can't make our own decisions with
> regard to the amount of DEET we are willing to apply to our bodies.
> Therefore, I can't get anything over 30%.

Which means that the other 70% is full of stinky perfumes and fillers...

Of course, you're paying for those stinky perfumes and fillers whether you
want them or not...

The only ones that have an acceptable smell to me is the Cutter
Skinsations:
http://www.drugstore.com/qxp153122_333181_sespider/cutter/skinsations_insect_rep
ellent_clean_fresh_scent_7_deet.htm


It's only 7% DEET, but that works well enough for my typical use... These
days, I keep the pump spray bottle from the Cutter Skinsations and refill
it with the 100% DEET and dilute it with isopropyl alcohol... If you
figure that you can get an ounce of 100% DEET for about $5, it would be
the equivalent of getting the 7% Cutter Skinsations for $2.10... An added
bonus is that you don't get some strange chemical perfumey smell...

> For anyone that would ship me some 95 or 97.5% Deep Woods Off . . or any
> brand, I would consider that a friendly thing to do.

Have you considered just ordering it mail order and having it shipped to
Canada?  I recently bought some canine heart worm preventative from a
company in Australia and it was cheaper than I could get it locally (since
you need a vet's prescription to buy it here in the US and my vet will not
give prescriptions since he doesn't want to cut into his profits)...

From what I understand, you really don't need to use 100% DEET on yourself
unless you are needing 10-12 hour protection... From the article
that I read, anything above around 25% is pretty much wasted with regards
to protection ability unless you are going to be out a very long time...
It suggested that you just use 25% and reapply every few hours as
necessary... I figure that if you are sweating a lot of getting into and
out of the water, you'll probably want to reapply anyway...

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chilly - 14 Jan 2008 09:39 GMT
(snip) If you
> figure that you can get an ounce of 100% DEET for about $5, it would be
> the equivalent of getting the 7% Cutter Skinsations for $2.10... An added
> bonus is that you don't get some strange chemical perfumey smell...

I'd go for it, if I could get it.

> > For anyone that would ship me some 95 or 97.5% Deep Woods Off . . or any
> > brand, I would consider that a friendly thing to do.
>
> Have you considered just ordering it mail order and having it shipped to
> Canada?

Yes.

(snip)>
> From what I understand, you really don't need to use 100% DEET on yourself
> unless you are needing 10-12 hour protection... From the article
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> necessary... I figure that if you are sweating a lot of getting into and
> out of the water, you'll probably want to reapply anyway...

Yes, that is correct, higher concentration equals longer protection.  I like
the longer protection when I go out for the evening.
Grumman-581 - 14 Jan 2008 10:02 GMT
> Yes, that is correct, higher concentration equals longer protection.  I
> like the longer protection when I go out for the evening.

You could even add a couple of drops of your own perfume to it to make it
have a custom fragrance... <grin>

If you prefer a lotion, you can add it to whatever body lotion that you
prefer and put it on that way... Maybe an aloe gell mixed with 100% DEET?
Maybe mix it with sunscreen?

If you are going to order it, you probably should make it worth your while
and order a few ounces... Although Canada has a restriction on anything
over 30%, it is unlikely that the companies that you order it from online
will know about that restriction, so unless Canada Customs opens and
checks every package that comes in, you shouldn't have a problem getting
it into the country, whether it comes from an online order or from someone
sending it to you...

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-hh - 14 Jan 2008 11:58 GMT
> > Yes, that is correct, higher concentration equals longer protection.  I
> > like the longer protection when I go out for the evening.
>
> You could even add a couple of drops of your own perfume to it to make it
> have a custom fragrance... <grin>

30% is considered good for 5 hours.  The problem with 100% is that its
too easy to provide continuous protections at unhealthy doses
(afterall, it is a proven carcinogen).  IIRC, the Army no longer uses
100%?  Plus it is hell on nearly anything plastic.

-hh
chilly - 14 Jan 2008 21:17 GMT
Grumman-581 <grumman581-usenet-2...@spambob.net> wrote:
> chilly wrote:
> > Yes, that is correct, higher concentration equals longer protection. I
> > like the longer protection when I go out for the evening.
>
> You could even add a couple of drops of your own perfume to it to make it
> have a custom fragrance... <grin>

30% is considered good for 5 hours.  The problem with 100% is that its
too easy to provide continuous protections at unhealthy doses
(afterall, it is a proven carcinogen).  IIRC, the Army no longer uses
100%?  Plus it is hell on nearly anything plastic.

*Even the 30% is hell on nailpolish.
willy - 14 Jan 2008 21:48 GMT
DPT and Twinrix are a no-brainer, even for walking around NYC,
especially for walking around NYC.
Chloroquine (or whatever antimalarial is recommended) for Central and
South America.
This is also a good idea when traveling in the tropics
http://www.travellersdiarrhea.com/Home/home.html
Sheldon - 17 Jan 2008 05:36 GMT
> DPT and Twinrix are a no-brainer, even for walking around NYC, especially
> for walking around NYC.
> Chloroquine (or whatever antimalarial is recommended) for Central and
> South America.
> This is also a good idea when traveling in the tropics
> http://www.travellersdiarrhea.com/Home/home.html

My doc said he'd put something together for me.  Chloroquine has its own
problems, and unless you were planning on hacking your way through the
jungle I don't think I'd want to use 100% Deet.
chilly - 17 Jan 2008 06:19 GMT
> > DPT and Twinrix are a no-brainer, even for walking around NYC, especially
> > for walking around NYC.
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> problems, and unless you were planning on hacking your way through the
> jungle I don't think I'd want to use 100% Deet.

If you are staying on Ambergris Caye, you probably don't need to worry about
Chloroquine.  I don't know anyone that takes it and most of us are repeat
visitors of many years, many times a year.
 
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