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Scuba Forum / General / January 2008Another one of the good guys
Just another example of right to carry http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov_localnews_071227_pizzadeliveryman_.5 b54a03b.html > Just another example of right to carry > > http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov_localnews_071227_pizzadeliveryman_.5 b54a03b.html While I believe if everyone had a concealed weapon we'd have a much more polite society, I'm trying to figure out the connection between diving and the 2nd Amendment. Seems to be a common thread here. Sheldon > > Just another example of right to carry > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sheldon In my case there is a connection. I began to carry when I was driving home from quarries late at night with a LOT of dive gear in my car, on dark back roads, alone. * > While I believe if everyone had a concealed weapon we'd have a much more > polite society, I'm trying to figure out the connection between diving and > the 2nd Amendment. Seems to be a common thread here. A value of having personal accountability. Think of it along "Dive Gear doesn't Kill Divers - User Error Kills Divers." -hh > > While I believe if everyone had a concealed weapon we'd have a much more > > polite society, I'm trying to figure out the connection between diving and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Think of it along "Dive Gear doesn't Kill Divers - User Error Kills > Divers." But unlike diving, it's usually the other guy you have to worry about. The only reason guns are so prominent here is because a certain sector of rednecks likes to dive, period. Were it not for the redneck contingency, guns would be mentioned as often as geese. Unfortunately for the rest of us, guns are the only thing rednecks like to talk about, obviously even taking precedence over diving in a diving forum. If it weren't for rec."scuba", the only mention I'd ever hear of guns is on the news. In article <09094353-564e-4245-bf4f-721ea709df38 @s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, mossman@qnet.com says... -On Jan 1, 5:01 am, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote: -> "Sheldon" <shel...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote: -> -> > While I believe if everyone had a concealed weapon we'd have a much more -> > polite society, I'm trying to figure out the connection between diving and -> > the 2nd Amendment. Seems to be a common thread here. -> -> A value of having personal accountability. -> -> Think of it along "Dive Gear doesn't Kill Divers - User Error Kills -> Divers." - -But unlike diving, it's usually the other guy you have to worry about. - -The only reason guns are so prominent here is because a certain sector -of rednecks likes to dive, period. Were it not for the redneck were it replaced with the liberal moonbat crew, only flowers would be mentioned. and, of course, gun grabbing. -contingency, guns would be mentioned as often as geese. Unfortunately -for the rest of us, guns are the only thing rednecks like to talk -about, obviously even taking precedence over diving in a diving -forum. If it weren't for rec."scuba", the only mention I'd ever hear -of guns is on the news. -  SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net >In article <09094353-564e-4245-bf4f-721ea709df38 >@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, mossman@qnet.com says... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >were it replaced with the liberal moonbat crew, >only flowers would be mentioned. Flowers are good. JF >>In article <09094353-564e-4245-bf4f-721ea709df38 >>@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, mossman@qnet.com says... [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > JF yes they are, but I wouldn't want to take them to a gun fight >>>In article <09094353-564e-4245-bf4f-721ea709df38 >>>@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, mossman@qnet.com says... [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >yes they are, but I wouldn't want to take them to a gun fight You've obviously never faced down a sunflower at full bloom. JF >>>>In article <09094353-564e-4245-bf4f-721ea709df38 >>>>@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, mossman@qnet.com says... [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > JF nor do I want to - allergies >>>>>In article <09094353-564e-4245-bf4f-721ea709df38 >>>>>@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, mossman@qnet.com says... [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >nor do I want to - allergies Coward. JF -JOF wrote: -> On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:47:15 GMT, crownfield <crownfield@verizon.net> -> wrote: -> -> ->>In article <09094353-564e-4245-bf4f-721ea709df38 ->>@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, mossman@qnet.com says... ->>-On Jan 1, 5:01 am, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote: ->>-> "Sheldon" <shel...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote: ->>-> ->>-> > While I believe if everyone had a concealed weapon we'd have a much more ->>-> > polite society, I'm trying to figure out the connection between diving and ->>-> > the 2nd Amendment. Seems to be a common thread here. ->>-> ->>-> A value of having personal accountability. ->>-> ->>-> Think of it along "Dive Gear doesn't Kill Divers - User Error Kills ->>-> Divers." ->>- ->>-But unlike diving, it's usually the other guy you have to worry about. ->>- ->>-The only reason guns are so prominent here is because a certain sector ->>-of rednecks likes to dive, period. Were it not for the redneck ->> ->>were it replaced with the liberal moonbat crew, ->>only flowers would be mentioned. -> -> -> Flowers are good. -> -> JF - -yes they are, but I wouldn't want to take them to a gun fight that makes you a pessimist. you do not think flowers would help. jof is an optimist, and he does. either they would make the perp so happy and mello that the crime would go away, or jof could brandish them and induce a rapid defensive allergic reaction such that the perp would be disabled, and goodness would prevail. either way, flowers are gooooooood. - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net > that makes you a pessimist. > you do not think flowers would help. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and induce a rapid defensive allergic reaction such > that the perp would be disabled, and goodness would prevail. That's both a biological and a chemical weapon. Both are banned. Lee > > that makes you a pessimist. >> you do not think flowers would help. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >That's both a biological and a chemical weapon. Both are banned. You've never bought roses for Jayna? JF >-JOF wrote: >-> On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:47:15 GMT, crownfield <crownfield@verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >either way, flowers are gooooooood. Have you never sent or taken flowers to someone who was sick, or unhappy, or otherwise indisposed? Why did you do it? JF > Have you never sent or taken flowers to someone who was sick, or unhappy, > or otherwise indisposed? Why did you do it? Because they were allergic to them... SignatureAbove email address not valid. Look in NNTP headers for real contact info. > Flowers are good. No, flowers are bad! Anything green and growing is bad. I live in Hawaii. Please send Agent Orange. eeo >> Flowers are good. > >No, flowers are bad! Anything green and growing is bad. I live in Hawaii. >Please send Agent Orange. Ask the army guys about that. JF -The only reason guns are so prominent here is because a certain sector -of rednecks likes to dive, period. Were it not for the redneck Bullshit >>>While I believe if everyone had a concealed weapon we'd have a much more >>>polite society, I'm trying to figure out the connection between diving and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > forum. If it weren't for rec."scuba", the only mention I'd ever hear > of guns is on the news. You forget JOF, who helps perpetuate the gun threads. Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American. ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >>>>While I believe if everyone had a concealed weapon we'd have a much more >>>>polite society, I'm trying to figure out the connection between diving and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >You forget JOF, who helps perpetuate the gun threads. I only hold the light. JF On Jan 1, 5:01 am, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote: > "Sheldon" <shel...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Think of it along "Dive Gear doesn't Kill Divers - User Error Kills > Divers." But unlike diving, it's usually the other guy you have to worry about. >The only reason guns are so prominent here is because a certain sector of rednecks likes to dive, period. I've never met a redneck diver, but then I don't really know the people in this group. :-) > But unlike diving, it's usually the other guy you have to worry about. With or without a weapon of your own, you have to worry about the other guy. If all the other guys were harmless, there would be no need to worry about weapons. It's not really so different than most everything else in life. In driving, you have to worry about the other guy. In boating, you have to worry about the other guy. At work, you have to worry about the other guy. In all circumstances where you can be hurt, physically, finacially, or emotionally, you have to worry about the other guy. What makes guns different is: 1. They provide a means for you to do something about the other guy (a good thing). 2. They provide a means for the other guy to do something about you (a scary thing). 3. Not everyone is comfortable with 1 or 2. One has to wonder just how many people who are afraid of guns are worried that they may, in the past, present or future, do something that others, even rational others, might choose to oppose with violence. Lee > One has to wonder just how many people who are afraid of guns are worried > that they may, in the past, present or future, do something that others, > even rational others, might choose to oppose with violence. I wonder how many people are actually afraid of guns. To me, a gun sitting by itself is harmless, certainly not something to be feared. It's people with guns that I fear. Not that they'll "oppose me with violence" for something that I deserved, but that they'll "oppose me with violence" because they snapped for some reason, be it getting fired from work, a fight with the wife, or because they got cut off in traffic. Like the gun nut mantra declares, guns don't kill people, people kill people. But since we can't get rid of all the people, we'd at least be far better off if we got rid of all the guns. >>One has to wonder just how many people who are afraid of guns are worried >>that they may, in the past, present or future, do something that others, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > people. But since we can't get rid of all the people, we'd at least > be far better off if we got rid of all the guns. How about knives? How about hammers? How about screwdrivers? How about rope? How about wire? How about car batteries? How about water, how about hands? You want to ban all those things too? How about if you stored the water in your pool separate from your pool - and only allowed to fill it when there was a need to use it? No electrictry into your house or business except when you were going to use it? How 'bout storing knives and frying pans in a separate area under lock and key execept when cooking or eating? Start punishing those that use these tools in an unappropriate manner - permanently On Jan 2, 3:15 am, "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote: I wonder how many people are actually afraid of guns. To me, a gun sitting by itself is harmless, certainly not something to be feared. It's people with guns that I fear. Not that they'll "oppose me with violence" for something that I deserved, but that they'll "oppose me with violence" because they snapped for some reason, be it getting fired from work, a fight with the wife, or because they got cut off in traffic. You forgot about alcohol. Not that anyone on this group would mix alcohol with guns. eeo > On Jan 2, 3:15 am, "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > eeo I never mix them - makes the alcohol taste fun and hard to drink (the guns don melt or blend well) > > On Jan 2, 3:15 am, "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I never mix them - makes the alcohol taste fun and hard to drink (the > guns don melt or blend well)- Hide quoted text - You're supposed to use the barrel as a swizzle-stick. A little gun oil and a hint of vermouth along with a good helping of gin makes for a great guntini. Add a spash of Frangelico and you have yourself a gunnutini. Tequila and lime juice gets you a margunita. Galliano and OJ: a Harvey Gangbanger. >>>On Jan 2, 3:15 am, "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > gunnutini. Tequila and lime juice gets you a margunita. Galliano and > OJ: a Harvey Gangbanger. Gangbanger sounds good, however gun oil gives me the runs On Jan 2, 3:15 am, "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > One has to wonder just how many people who are afraid of guns are worried > that they may, in the past, present or future, do something that others, > even rational others, might choose to oppose with violence. I wonder how many people are actually afraid of guns. To me, a gun sitting by itself is harmless, certainly not something to be feared. It's people with guns that I fear. We know. Not that they'll "oppose me with violence" for something that I deserved, but that they'll "oppose me with violence" because they snapped for some reason, be it getting fired from work, a fight with the wife, or because they got cut off in traffic. And that happened how many times so far? Like the gun nut mantra declares, guns don't kill people, people kill people. But since we can't get rid of all the people, we'd at least be far better off if we got rid of all the guns. Which is simply impossible. SignatureDoes anybody here really think that taking away the guns will stop killing? Or knives, or icepicks, or chains, or ropes, or baseball bats, or poisons, or cars & trucks. People are gonna kill people, and they'll always think of a new weapon if you take away the old ones. And just because I carry a potential weapon doesn't mean I intend to commit murder, or that I may be tempted to commit murder. I often carry a big ugly knife. Lots of my friends do too. I have never heard of anyone being tempted to use the knife on anyone just because they have it with them. You gotta be in the mood to do the killing and you use what's at hand. -Jeff Cooper Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762 On Jan 3, 8:19 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > On Jan 2, 3:15 am, "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > And that happened how many times so far? Three at least. > Like the gun nut mantra declares, guns don't kill people, people kill > people. But since we can't get rid of all the people, we'd at least > be far better off if we got rid of all the guns. > > Which is simply impossible. Pessimist. On Jan 3, 8:19 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > And that happened how many times so far? Three at least. It's not the gun. ========================== Police: SJ Newlyweds Bashed By Dozen Teenagers Teenagers Attack Newlyweds On Way Home From Church Party SAN JOSE, Calif. -- Some San Jose residents were begging for the public's help Thursday night after they were attacked by teens with skateboards, NBC11's Charlotte Fadipe reported. Maria, Jason, and Dan did not want to reveal their last names because the attack left them seriously injured and terrified, Fadipe reported. They were at a stoplight on Foxworthy and Meridian avenues in San Jose in a brand-new Lexus, coming home from a church party on New Year's morning. Police said for no apparent reason a group of about 12 teenagers began hitting the vehicle with their skateboards. "My heart was racing. It was like something out of a scary movie where someone is after you," said Maria. "I was thinking, God please stop. Why us? Why us? Who are they? I was terrified." "(I felt) just fear, absolute fear. I've never been through anything this traumatic in my life," Jason said. " The driver's side has the biggest damage of the door below the handle. That blow was aimed towards her head. That's the force they were aiming at her head." Jason and Maria had gotten married recently. Dan was a passenger in the car. Blood was still visible in the vehicle as NBC11 interviewed the victims Thursday. The teenagers, both girls and boys, were dressed in black. Maria spent much of Thursday handing out fliers with information on a $10,000 award for anyone with information on the attackers and what happened. Dan was beaten the worst, Fadipe reported. Doctors said his injuries would take a year to heal. "I took one to the forehead, one to the back of the head -- a couple to the arm (and) to my back," said Dan. "They were going for his head with these weapons," said Jason. "I want to cry," Maria said. "Because it's not fair that he is in pain because some kids were punks. So I want to cry." "They almost killed a man," Jason said. "They could have killed my wife, and they had complete utter disrespect for any human life or anything. It was relentless disrespect, relentless violence." The couple said police officers have told them their case is not a top priority because the department is understaffed. But late Thursday, San Jose police told Fadipe they were investigating the matter and want witnesses to come forward. The couple said they hope the $10,000 reward would speed up the process. The car will cost about $20,000 to repair, Fadipe reported. > Like the gun nut mantra declares, guns don't kill people, people kill > people. But since we can't get rid of all the people, we'd at least > be far better off if we got rid of all the guns. > > Which is simply impossible. Pessimist. SignatureDoes anybody here really think that taking away the guns will stop killing? Or knives, or icepicks, or chains, or ropes, or baseball bats, or poisons, or cars & trucks. People are gonna kill people, and they'll always think of a new weapon if you take away the old ones. And just because I carry a potential weapon doesn't mean I intend to commit murder, or that I may be tempted to commit murder. I often carry a big ugly knife. Lots of my friends do too. I have never heard of anyone being tempted to use the knife on anyone just because they have it with them. You gotta be in the mood to do the killing and you use what's at hand. -Jeff Cooper Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762 On Jan 4, 5:55 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > Doctors said his injuries would take a year to heal. > > "I took one to the forehead, one to the back of the head -- a couple to the > arm (and) to my back," said Dan. Ya think he'd still be talking if all these shots he took were from bullets? Ban bullets, legalize skateboards! (Actually I have no problem banning skateboards too. I hate the damn things) On Jan 4, 5:55 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > Doctors said his injuries would take a year to heal. > > "I took one to the forehead, one to the back of the head -- a couple to > the > arm (and) to my back," said Dan. Ya think he'd still be talking if all these shots he took were from bullets? Ban bullets, legalize skateboards! (Actually I have no problem banning skateboards too. I hate the damn things) And I don't like rolling backpacks. Good luck in getting rid of those. (All this wonder about why Americans are getting fat and yet we refuse to carry our own backpacks.) eeo On Jan 5, 10:27 pm, "eeo" <eeolson(people in Hawaii actually like spam)hawaii.rr.com> wrote: > (All this wonder about why Americans are getting fat and yet we refuse to > carry our own backpacks.) On the other hand, I blame all my back problems on the backpacks I carried around through years of school. Chiropractors must really hate the rollers. > On the other hand, I blame all my back problems on the backpacks I > carried around through years of school. There you go again blaming the *tool*, not the *user* of the tool... Just like you try to do with firearms... SignatureAbove email address not valid. Look in NNTP headers for real contact info. > There you go again blaming the *tool*, not the *user* of the tool... Just > like you try to do with firearms... Gee, I wonder why he didn't sue the manufacturer of such a harmful and defective product... > > There you go again blaming the *tool*, not the *user* of the tool... Just > > like you try to do with firearms... > > Gee, I wonder why he didn't sue the manufacturer of such a harmful and > defective product... Obviously enough people did. That's why they now come with rollers. > Obviously enough people did. That's why they now come with rollers. And some schools ban the ones with the rollers... I suspect that it has something to do with the locker size though... Once the kids put all their books in their lockers, there is no room for one of the backpacks that have rollers on them... Personally, I don't like the backpacks with rollers... They weigh more when you need to carry them and the rollers are not that convenient on stairs... Speaking of stairs... One thing that I noticed about NYC is that it is not very ADA compliant... Everytime I took the subway it seemed I ended up somewhere there wasn't an elevator or escalator... I lost count of how many times I ended up saying, "awh, sh.t... fuckin' stairs!"... SignatureAbove email address not valid. Look in NNTP headers for real contact info. To a group I went by chance, two thousand posters I saw in a glance, cried out Grumman-581, awakened from a trance, whither... > Everytime I took the subway it seemed I ended up > somewhere there wasn't an elevator or escalator... I lost > count of how many times I ended up saying, "awh, sh.t... > fuckin' stairs!"... Mikey is a cripple SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com -To a group I went by chance, two thousand posters I saw in a -glance, cried out Grumman-581, awakened from a trance, -whither... - -> Everytime I took the subway it seemed I ended up -> somewhere there wasn't an elevator or escalator... I lost -> count of how many times I ended up saying, "awh, sh.t... -> fuckin' stairs!"... - -Mikey is a cripple LittLe carLito is a Loser. - - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net <snip> Turns out that the deepest part of the subway system up there is 160 ft deep... That's a *lot* of fuckin' stairs... I don't think that I encountered that one, but some of them sure did surprise me on how deep we had ended up at the end of the ride... SignatureSee NNTP header field "X-Real-Email-Address" to reply by email. To a group I went by chance, two thousand posters I saw in a glance, cried out Grumman-581, awakened from a trance, whither... > Turns out that the deepest part of the subway system up there > is 160 ft deep... That's a *lot* of fuckin' stairs Try losing some weight, cripple. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Obviously enough people did. That's why they now come with rollers. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > somewhere there wasn't an elevator or escalator... I lost count of how > many times I ended up saying, "awh, sh.t... fuckin' stairs!"... I don't like them for two reasons: 1) the noise, 2) the additional space they require. One person dragging his/her backpack behind them now takes up the space of two people. Three, if you value your toes and shins. eeo > On Jan 4, 5:55 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > (All this wonder about why Americans are getting fat and yet we refuse to > carry our own backpacks.) Only a mystery to idiots and bigots like you two. > > On Jan 4, 5:55 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Only a mystery to idiots and bigots like you two. A rough last night? -"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message -news:fe27b6a8-6114-4a36-9efb-c248c4d48a7d@d21g2000prg.googlegroups.com... -On Jan 3, 8:19 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" -<Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: -> - - - Police: SJ Newlyweds Bashed By Dozen Teenagers -Teenagers Attack Newlyweds On Way Home From Church Party we need legislation to register skateboards, to define the terrifying 'assault skateboard', and to regulate how skateboards are stored safely. carrying one in the open will now be 'brandishing' a skateboard. photo id cards will be required to transpost a skateboard in public. - - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net - -"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message -news:09094353-564e-4245-bf4f-721ea709df38@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... -On Jan 1, 5:01 am, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote: -> -> > While I believe if everyone had a concealed weapon we'd have a much more -> > polite society, I'm trying to figure out the connection between diving -> > and -> > the 2nd Amendment. Seems to be a common thread here. -> -> A value of having personal accountability. -> -> Think of it along "Dive Gear doesn't Kill Divers - User Error Kills -> Divers." flying, diving, shooting, power control systems, caregiver for lions and tigers, USCG Masters license, TV producer... I do like things where you have to be responsible, or your mistakes kill you. -But unlike diving, it's usually the other guy you have to worry about. - ->The only reason guns are so prominent here is because a certain sector -of rednecks likes to dive, period. - -I've never met a redneck diver, but then I don't really know the people in -this group. :-) - - - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net |
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