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Scuba Forum / General / January 2008Why we live in FL (on topic... what a change)
Just got back from a great dive... 103' to the bottom, 170' long USCG ship Captain Dan off of Pompano (N of FLL). I used to dive this ship a lot but for some reason I have not been on her for about 4 years. I took my 13 year old son (Padi Junior advanced & Nitrox certified) and although the surface current was ripping at about 3+ knots (non-swimmable for us mere mortals) the current at depth was manageable and the vis as insane.... 150' horizontal (almost the whole length of the ship) and about 70' vertical. Lots of fish including a goliath grouper and a sea turtle. My second dive was solo... under my sportfish in 6' of water replacing zincs and cleaning the wheels and strainers... Oh well... still beats shoveling Snow!!!!! My son played "get dad his tools" while I did the dive. Come on down, the water is awesome this time of year. my son wore a 3 mil full suit and I wore a 3+3 (farmer john + top) Toast warm for both dives. Seas <2' Merry Christmas (and happy boxer day for you brits...Dec 26th ) Ed > Just got back from a great dive... 103' to the bottom, 170' long USCG > ship Captain Dan off of Pompano (N of FLL). I used to dive this ship [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Ed Cool, Ed. Thanks for the report. I'll be down there in about four weeks, looking forward to some warm water diving... gc > Just got back from a great dive... 103' to the bottom, 170' long USCG ship > Captain Dan off of Pompano (N of FLL). I used to dive this ship a lot [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Ed Wanna trade places? Buried in Colorado... and freezing my a.s off, too. Hope to be in Belize in a couple of months. :-) Sheldon Ed <ed@nospam.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Just got back from a great dive... 103' to the bottom, 170' long USCG :ship Captain Dan off of Pompano (N of FLL). I used to dive this ship [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] :mil full suit and I wore a 3+3 (farmer john + top) Toast warm for both :dives. Seas <2' A bit too aruduous for me and the missus, but sounds like you had fun. Thanks for posting this. Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. > Just got back from a great dive... 103' to the bottom, 170' long USCG > ship Captain Dan off of Pompano (N of FLL). I used to dive this ship [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Ed Just curious here but how deep does PADI advise that a 13 yr old diver using Nitrox can go and was your son with you on Nitrox to the 103 ft that you quote above ? On Dec 27, 9:59 am, hierophantf...@hotmail.com wrote: > > Just got back from a great dive... 103' to the bottom, 170' long USCG > > ship Captain Dan off of Pompano (N of FLL). I used to dive this ship [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > using Nitrox can go and was your son with you on Nitrox to the 103 ft > that you quote above ? I can answer for NAUI & TDI - as an advanced jr diver, up to 130 ft is "legal" but nitrox is not until age 15. YMCA standards, wisely, are more conservative. I prefer to teach to YMCA standards. * "She's very much more than a dive babe, but they don't have a name for it on this planet yet. " ~ Douglas W. Popeye Frederick SSI allows nitrox to those that can handle the math at 13. Padi JR open water is 40', Padi Advanced, 130 and SSI advanced I think is also 130. He holds a Padi OW, Padi AOW, and SSI Nitrox. He has been diving since about 8 on shallow reefs, OW at 10, AOW and Nitrox at 12. Hits 40' on a snorkel.... can nail lobsters at about 30". At 13 I was reading the bluebook catalogs on VOIT scuba gear wishing I was living near water but didn't get the chance until college. He dives more comfortably and responsibly than most of my more experienced dive buddies and has more dives in his log than most non-FL adults since he dives 12 mos of the year. BTW.. My first card was YMCA and back in 81 they were NOT conservative at all. I learned the navy deco tables and was taught deco diving as my first class. 5 years later I sat through my wife's PADI class and was amazed how basic it was... then I got my rescue, Nitrox, DM and then SSI DM/assistant instructor. None of those classes taught deco diving!!! Probably something to do with lawyers!!! I still prefer non-dec dives due to the bordom of hanging at 40-10' > On Dec 27, 9:59 am, hierophantf...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > on this planet yet. " > ~ Douglas W. Popeye Frederick > SSI allows nitrox to those that can handle the math at 13. Padi JR open > water is 40', Padi Advanced, 130 and SSI advanced I think is also 130. [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > on this planet yet. " > > ~ Douglas W. Popeye Frederick YMCA, 1975. We must have used Navy tables then; by the time I started teaching in 1999 each agency had its own tables. YMCA are most conservative; they have changed considerably. I don't teach kids, by choice. I spend 9 mos a year with 14-18 YO's and somewhere about the time 'd trust them with a car they are ready to be dive buddies. At that point, they make most excellent dive students and are much easier to travel with than most adults. Year-round warm water is not a prerequisite to frequent dives, BTW :-) Cold is only a deterrent when it makes the water solid all the way to the bottom. * I don't mind MOST kids in a class but we have found that only about 1/2 of the 10 year olds can handle it and then we go by the Padi guidelines of not putting them in a large class (4 students max). I have done two AOW classes with 12 year olds and they were great... much better than many OW students who went staight thru. To dive year round up north you either have to have a private jet (or tons of FF miles) or the desire to use a dry suit....But yes... I stand corrected... you CAN dive year round living up north!!!! I just don't consider an AX to cut ice part of my normal dive gear but then after 26 years living in the south my blood is no longer as thick as when I lived in Chicago!!!. Stay Warm!!!! >>SSI allows nitrox to those that can handle the math at 13. Padi JR open >>water is 40', Padi Advanced, 130 and SSI advanced I think is also 130. [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > * > I don't mind MOST kids in a class but we have found that only about 1/2 > of the 10 year olds can handle it and then we go by the Padi guidelines [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Stay Warm!!!! I am not concerned with the kids in class; it is afterward when they go hop on a boat as a certified diver that I won't promote. I obviously like kids or I'd find a different job....... there's a big difference in a PADI guideline (well apparently there is anyway, having no PADI cards in my possession, I can't say for certain) and common sense. I adopted the Kelly Hill position a long time ago. I don't mind diving dry at all. The temps here in the Puget Sound are considerably more friendly all winter than they were in the midwest.... and no, I don't mind ice diving but prefer a chain saw to an axe. I get to dive warm water a few times a month at the aquarium. Do you always top post? Hasn't anyone here gotten on your case about that yet? * She's very much more than a dive babe, but they don't have a name for it on this planet yet. " ~ Douglas W. Popeye Frederick > Do you always top post? Hasn't anyone here gotten on your case about > that yet? Nope. You raised your hand, thats good enough for Us.  SignatureYou're all w.nking sissies if you even think about using a grain mill, teeth, or ball-peen hammer. A real brewer uses 17 vestal virgins stomping on the grain in a large wooden vat. And yeast is for losers. True brewers just dip one end of their dog into the wort to get things going. -- Drew Avis >>I don't mind MOST kids in a class but we have found that only about 1/2 >>of the 10 year olds can handle it and then we go by the Padi guidelines [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > on this planet yet. " > ~ Douglas W. Popeye Frederick Is this better? I find it easier to read long strings with the newest on top... Must come from 20 years reading emails that way... If they obeyed the rules and ALWAYS dive with an adult the kids should be fine. BTW... the original navy tables were designed with youth (and stretchy lungs) in mind!!!! (not us old guys who learned to dive before BCs... ;-) My hat is off to you for loving the sport so much you dive year round in the cold!!! After growing up in the N I prefer Skis for cold and regs for warm!!! > >>I don't mind MOST kids in a class but we have found that only about 1/2 > >>of the 10 year olds can handle it and then we go by the Padi guidelines [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > the cold!!! After growing up in the N I prefer Skis for cold and regs > for warm!!! much better. After 20+ years of reading emails, i still read from the top down, and bitch when the poster doesn't snip unnecessary crap :-) IF they obey the rules - yes. IF the adult is a competent buddy, competent enough to essentially die solo and babysit at the same time. I'm YMCA-conservative and NAUI would-I-let-this-person-dive- with-a-loved-one as final decision on issuing a card. I still don't like to dive a BC. And I skied more when we lived in the midwest - out here, the water is too conveniently close and the GPO's are not to be believed....... * "She's very much more than a dive babe, but they don't have a name for it on this planet yet. " ~ Douglas W. Popeye Frederic > > My hat is off to you for loving the sport so much you dive year round in > > the cold!!! After growing up in the N I prefer Skis for cold and regs > > for warm!!! > much better. After 20+ years of reading emails, i still read from the > top down, and bitch when the poster doesn't snip unnecessary crap :-) > IF they obey the rules - yes. IF the adult is a competent buddy, > competent enough to essentially die solo and babysit at the same [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > out here, the water is too conveniently close and the GPO's are not to > be believed....... I keep trying to tell them... Why didn't you snip the unnecessary crap when you replied? Star <lclee1@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :much better. After 20+ years of reading emails, i still read from the :top down, and bitch when the poster doesn't snip unnecessary crap :-) Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. Star wrote: > After 20+ years of reading emails, i still read from the > :top down, and bitch when the poster doesn't snip unnecessary crap :-) A good reason for top posting when all that is necessary to understanding is right there. Sometimes I top post, sometimes, I intersperse my comments with those of others. Occasionally, I bother to delete yards of irrelevant text between the top and the bottom of somebody else's message. > Why didn't you snip the unnecessary crap when you replied? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Dan Bracuk > Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. To make you point that out :-) Group reader-thingy isn't working on new OS so am back to the web. Blech. * Not always. Star <lclee1@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Do you always top post? Hasn't anyone here gotten on your case about :that yet? Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. > Not always. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Dan Bracuk > Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. smartass :-P * > YMCA, 1975. YMCA 1962. The didn't issue cards back then. They did use Navy tables, including deco. We paid no attention to the deco stuff since we all knew that "you can't go deep enough, long enough, on a single tank, to need deco." None of us could afford more than one tank. NAUI 1969. They did issue cards. I still have mine. It says I'm certified for "SCUBA." That included deco, using Navy tables. I paid more attention, but still didn't have more than one tank. > > YMCA, 1975. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > for "SCUBA." That included deco, using Navy tables. I paid more attention, > but still didn't have more than one tank. According to the Y, they did issue cards before other agencies except Orange County, but hey I wasn't around then to know exactly... well, at least not diving then :-) * > According to the Y, they did issue cards before other agencies except > Orange County, but hey I wasn't around then to know exactly... well, > at least not diving then :-) They probably did issue cards earlier than others, but nobody really noticed. I dove from 1962 to 1969 without a card and without any reason to worry about it. Sometime in the late 1960s, the south Florida dive shops starting asking for cards and a few grumbled about filling tanks without one. I was working as lifeguard in a Dade County pool that offered NAUI certifications. The time, and cost, were right, so I took the course and got the card. I'd have to check the actual dates, but my recollection is that PADI was just getting started around that time. The first PADI certified diver I ever met, was not able to assemble his gear without help. I was not impressed. My opinion of the organization's willingness to issue cards to poorly trained individuals with credit cards has not improved much since then. No offense intended to all the very good PADI instructors I know. My problem is with the organization, not its members. Lee > > BTW.. My first card was YMCA and back in 81 they were NOT conservative > > at all. I learned the navy deco tables and was taught deco diving as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > teaching in 1999 each agency had its own tables. YMCA are most > conservative; they have changed considerably. Through at least part of the '80s, the "Agency" Tables were merely the USN Tables that were reformatted & reprinted to put the Agency's name on them. Here's an example: http://www.huntzinger.com/dive/old_PADI_dive_table.jpg By the '90s, the Agencies were using modified USN-tables, although some of these modifications were as simple as merely backing off one stop. Thus, the classical "60 for 60" No-Stop became "55 minutes for 60fsw", and 60 for 60 had a required Deco stop. Later (can't recall when), some Agencies backed off a second stop ... 50 for 60 was the longest No-Stop. IIRC, rroughly in this same time period, the PADI RDP came out which IIRC worked from a maximum of a 60 minute compartment instead of the 120 minute max compartment that the old USN table was based on, and also eliminated any Deco stop information or allowances. IIRC, it also introduced the "WXYZ" rules and in very fine print, stated that you would die if you ever went to 131fsw ;-) I'm sure that Sir Mike can fill us all in with greater details as to these evolutions. -hh In article <4da9801a-106e-4de4-a82d- 66bf8f46dddd@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says... > IIRC, rroughly in this same time period, the PADI RDP came out which > IIRC worked from a maximum of a 60 minute compartment instead of the > 120 minute max compartment that the old USN table was based on, and > also eliminated any Deco stop information or allowances. IIRC, it > also introduced the "WXYZ" rules and in very fine print, stated that > you would die if you ever went to 131fsw ;-) At a presentation given in SC by Peter Bennett, Bill Hamilton and Dick Clark, I think it was Peter Bennett who said that the PADI RDP was a response to complaints from resort operators about long SI times. > In article <4da9801a-106e-4de4-a82d- > 66bf8f46dddd@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > also introduced the "WXYZ" rules and in very fine print, stated that > > you would die if you ever went to 131fsw ;-) > At a presentation given in SC by Peter Bennett, Bill Hamilton and Dick > Clark, I think it was Peter Bennett who said that the PADI RDP was a > response to complaints from resort operators about long SI times. <cough> How much is that wrist mounted dive computer? > At a presentation given in SC by Peter Bennett, Bill Hamilton and Dick > Clark, I think it was Peter Bennett who said that the PADI RDP was a > response to complaints from resort operators about long SI times. I had heard that too but cannot recall where. Makes one feel better about those tables, doesn't it? :-) * >>>BTW.. My first card was YMCA and back in 81 they were NOT conservative >>>at all. I learned the navy deco tables and was taught deco diving as [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > -hh Not really. The tables I carry in my dry box are 1980's vintage and I have tables going back about 90 years but, as you point out, they are all compromises, and not just to cover margins of error in the deco theories from which they are derived. Even Haldane, when he tested his first tables on Admiralty divers from the HMS Spanker, made several rather arbitrary changes. Some were "rounding up" to the nearest fathom, many were simply because they froze their a.ses off doing the extended deco, unacceptable to the divers and their supervisors. When the US and other world navies adopted the Haldane tables, most made changes toward the conservative, in part because no one believed a diver could go that deep and stay that long. Of course, those divers were stronger and bolder than divers today (with the possible exception of Popeye) so we use tables that keep us short and shallow. Hell, I've even cut my showers back to 15 minutes. esg > >>>BTW.. My first card was YMCA and back in 81 they were NOT conservative > >>>at all. I learned the navy deco tables and was taught deco diving as [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > - Show quoted text - And what do those texts say about 13 yr olds diving with Nitrox ? > And what do those texts say about 13 yr olds diving with Nitrox ? If the 13 yr old is going to do a few thousand dives lifetime, it may be germaine. Ongoing research at the NEDU is suggesting that there are long term negative effects of hyper O2, and some are hinting that single exposure limits for very active divers should be as low as 0.8. esg > > And what do those texts say about 13 yr olds diving with Nitrox ? > If the 13 yr old is going to do a few thousand dives lifetime, it may be > germaine. Ongoing research at the NEDU is suggesting that there are long > term negative effects of hyper O2, and some are hinting that single > exposure limits for very active divers should be as low as 0.8. Look at the current setpoints. > > > BTW.. My first card was YMCA and back in 81 they were NOT conservative > > > at all. I learned the navy deco tables and was taught deco diving as [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > -hh Die, as like in if you used "voodo death gas? :-) Tables work until they don't. It's all a WAG after a point anyway. * > > > > BTW.. My first card was YMCA and back in 81 they were NOT conservative > > > > at all. I learned the navy deco tables and was taught deco diving as [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Speaking of voodoo death gas is your kid home from Iraq yet ? On Dec 28, 10:10 pm, hierophantf...@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > BTW.. My first card was YMCA and back in 81 they were NOT conservative > > > > > at all. I learned the navy deco tables and was taught deco diving as [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Speaking of voodoo death gas is your kid home from Iraq yet ? yes, thanks. Two tours and his then-fiancee informed him that she did not want to be an army wife. So he's back at college fininshing his engineering degree, married, and going to make me a grandmother. * > yes, thanks. Two tours and his then-fiancee informed him that she did not > want to be an army wife. So he's back at college fininshing his > engineering degree, married, and going to make me a grandmother. * He made the wrong choice... SignatureAbove email address not valid. Look in NNTP headers for real contact info. > > yes, thanks. Two tours and his then-fiancee informed him that she did not > > want to be an army wife. So he's back at college fininshing his > > engineering degree, married, and going to make me a grandmother. * > > He made the wrong choice... Straight to hell. > > > yes, thanks. Two tours and his then-fiancee informed him that she did > not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Straight to hell. Nah - he did what he could for this country and as a mom I'm glad people are no longer attempting to blow him up. * > Nah - he did what he could for this country and as a mom I'm glad people > are no longer attempting to blow him up. He let a woman control him with regards to his career... That does not bode well for his marriage... We had a term for that sort of situation when I was in the military -- pussy-whipped... She knew what he was before getting engaged to him... It's not right for her to want him to change... He might not know it now, but there's a good chance that he's going to resent it later on... SignatureAbove email address not valid. Look in NNTP headers for real contact info. On Dec 30, 8:32 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman581-rec-sc...@spambob.net> wrote: > > Nah - he did what he could for this country and as a mom I'm glad people > > are no longer attempting to blow him up. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Above email address not valid. Look in NNTP headers for real contact info. Bullshit, Grumman. You don't know these kids. He was not certain that he wanted a career in the army from the get-go or he would have chosen a service academy. He'd have been accepted, graduating HS with honors and being an Eagle scout and knowing a few politicians, but he chose the NG so he could try things out. He was a bit unhappy after his first deployment as a sniper, and became moreso when he was yanked from OCS for his second deployment. He's already consulting with some independent military contractors, making good money at that, and looking at options for after he graduates in May. He made the best choice, no doubts in my mind. He will choose the best employment option for him, and his wife will follow. Her career makes her employable and in demand pretty much anywhere. * > Bullshit, Grumman. You don't know these kids. Agreed, I don't know them, but I'm just relaying what my experiences have been with people that I knew over the years when I was in... If this is not the case with him, more power to him... That's not what I've seen usually over the years, but I guess anything is possible... > He was not certain that he wanted a career in the army from the get-go > or he would have chosen a service academy. He'd have been accepted, > graduating HS with honors and being an Eagle scout and knowing a few > politicians, but he chose the NG so he could try things out. That would assume that a kid that age really know *what* he wants... He might think he does, but that doesn't make it accurate... Hell, I thought I knew what I wanted back when I was that age... Luckily, I was wrong.... <grin> > He was a bit unhappy after his first deployment as a sniper, and became > moreso when he was yanked from OCS for his second deployment. He's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > best employment option for him, and his wife will follow. Her career > makes her employable and in demand pretty much anywhere. So, she doesn't mind him being deployed over there as a private security force, but not as someone in the Army... Interesting... So, the issue with her is not so much preventing him from doing what he wants to do but rather that he gets paid properly for doing it... Thats puts a new spin on it... Basically my point is that if a woman prevents a man from doing something that he thinks that he wants to do, the man will resent her for it... It doesn't matter whether it is buying a sports car or learning how to fly... It goes back to that old saying, "A man marries a woman thinking that she won't change. A woman marries a man thinking that he will change. They are both wrong."... SignatureAbove email address not valid. Look in NNTP headers for real contact info. On Dec 31, 12:11 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman581-rec-sc...@spambob.net> wrote: > > Bullshit, Grumman. You don't know these kids. > > Agreed, I don't know them, but I'm just relaying what my experiences have > been with people that I knew over the years when I was in... If this is > not the case with him, more power to him... That's not what I've seen > usually over the years, but I guess anything is possible... I can't believe the horror stories of how family members treat soldiers. One of Geoff's buddies, a Marine, left his mom POA while deployed and came home to find that she had "borrowed" all his money. And some spouses, as I hear, are much worse. > > He was not certain that he wanted a career in the army from the get-go > > or he would have chosen a service academy. He'd have been accepted, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I knew what I wanted back when I was that age... Luckily, I was wrong.... > <grin> Hell, I still am not sure what I want to be when I grow up - there's always another way I can contribute to my profession and I'll happily pursue..... things I didn't do when the kids were small because I saw them as my primary responsibility, and looking back I think we did a great job with them :-) Geoff and his wife have both seen parents with careers, parents who supported one another's careers even when it meant living a bit differently than they wanted, and know the give-and- take that has allowed both their parents to remain in great marriages for 30 years. For now, Geoff wants a family and wants to be home to raise his kids. > > He was a bit unhappy after his first deployment as a sniper, and became > > moreso when he was yanked from OCS for his second deployment. He's [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > rather that he gets paid properly for doing it... Thats puts a new spin on > it... Nonononono - he's not in security. He's an engineer and knows the vehicles needed by the military. He's gonna build stuff, not go shoot people again. No deployment; at least not more than a business trip or two. > Basically my point is that if a woman prevents a man from doing something > that he thinks that he wants to do, the man will resent her for it... It > doesn't matter whether it is buying a sports car or learning how to fly... > It goes back to that old saying, "A man marries a woman thinking that she > won't change. A woman marries a man thinking that he will change. They > are both wrong."... Agreed. Interesting how you limit your perspective to that of a man...... I hope never to be that spouse, my spouse would not be that spouse, and I don't think my kids want to be that spouse either. Right now, my husband is working 3 hours away from where we live because he chose to accept a different position with his company, and he totally loves what he does. He stays out of town Mon-Thurs nights, and commutes home on weekends because I don't want to leave my current job situation right now. We would not have done this when the kids were small, well, Mike wouldn't have, because he liked attending their soccer games and such. We've just been very very lucky in that we could make it all work. Geoff's in-laws set the same example for their kids - always working together to make the best situation for one another and the family. It's not the answer for everyone, but it has worked for us. * > -- > Above email address not valid. Look in NNTP headers for real contact info. > > > > yes, thanks. Two tours and his then-fiancee informed him that she did > > not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Nah - he did what he could for this country and as a mom I'm glad > people are no longer attempting to blow him up. I meant Grummy. > "Star" <lcl...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > Nah - he did what he could for this country and as a mom I'm glad > > people are no longer attempting to blow him up. > > I meant Grummy. oh. * > I meant Grummy. I guess I didn't understand what you were implying then... SignatureAbove email address not valid. Look in NNTP headers for real contact info. > SSI allows nitrox to those that can handle the math at 13. Padi JR open > water is 40', Padi Advanced, 130 and SSI advanced I think is also 130. [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > SSI allows nitrox to those that can handle the math at 13. Padi JR open > water is 40', Padi Advanced, 130 and SSI advanced I think is also 130. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > buddies and has more dives in his log than most non-FL adults since he > dives 12 mos of the year. <snipping crap> Nice. I'm glad that you're so proud your kid can hit 40ft on snorkel and nail lobsters at 30ft. But like Mr Gray in King's novel "Dreamcatcher", I don't understand the significance of it. > Nice. I'm glad that you're so proud your kid can hit 40ft on snorkel > and nail lobsters at 30ft. But like Mr Gray in King's novel > "Dreamcatcher", I don't understand the significance of it. Hmmmm.... Eating Fresh fish and Lobster? Pretty significant source of protein... damn tasty as well. Also when island hopping we don't scuba... we free dive... Bahama laws prevent spearing or taking of any fish with scuba. >> Nice. I'm glad that you're so proud your kid can hit 40ft on snorkel >> and nail lobsters at 30ft. But like Mr Gray in King's novel [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > scuba... we free dive... Bahama laws prevent spearing or taking of any > fish with scuba. Recent Bahamas law changes are even stricter for non-Bahamians. esg > Nice. I'm glad that you're so proud your kid can hit 40ft on snorkel > and nail lobsters at 30ft. But like Mr Gray in King's novel > "Dreamcatcher", I don't understand the significance of it. We know, but there's only so much we can do to help the mentally challenged. >>SSI allows nitrox to those that can handle the math at 13. Padi JR open >>water is 40', Padi Advanced, 130 and SSI advanced I think is also 130. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > and nail lobsters at 30ft. But like Mr Gray in King's novel > "Dreamcatcher", I don't understand the significance of it. When yer my age, you'll wish ya still could! esg Bitch. c.nt. Whore. Oh, wait, those were the answers to a question on the Cranium game we played Christmas evening. It was a word match. Everybody on the team is given a word and free associates three words (on paper, individually). If at least two team members match a word, you win the point. Clue? Hillary Rodham Clinton. All matched. Glad you had a great time. >Just got back from a great dive... 103' to the bottom, 170' long USCG >ship Captain Dan off of Pompano (N of FLL). I used to dive this ship [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Ed > Signaturedillon I used to think the horse's name was Bob. And the angel's name was Hark. funny... I just put on a new bumper sticker on my car... Monica's Ex-boyfriend's wife for PRESIDENT!!!!! (Someone actually asked me if I was really supporting her...) > Bitch. c.nt. Whore. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >>Ed |
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