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Dillon Pyron - 14 Dec 2007 05:04 GMT
Thanks, John.  You're guys are pretty damn good

http://www.heavy.com/video/13089

http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/KillingShot_2430Metres.asp

http://www.riflebarrels.com/articles/50calibre/50sniping.htm

http://serr8d.blogspot.com/2007/11/canadian-snipers-take-out-talaban.html
I think this last one has the same video.  But it has some cute girls,
so of course it had to go up.

And, to make this an official rec.scuba post, my last final was
Wednesday and I cracked open a bottle of 25 year old Oban to
celebrate.

What else am I forgetting?  Guns, booze, women.
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Mike from Ottawa - 14 Dec 2007 05:22 GMT
>Thanks, John.  You're guys are pretty damn good

Rather messy stuff.  But they also killed our people in the WTC
towers.

>http://www.heavy.com/video/13089
>
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>I think this last one has the same video.  But it has some cute girls,
>so of course it had to go up.

They look like they know how to handle their pieces...

>And, to make this an official rec.scuba post, my last final was
>Wednesday and I cracked open a bottle of 25 year old Oban to
>celebrate.

Your "last final?"  Last final what?

25-years old.  Mmmmm, that must have been tasty.

>What else am I forgetting?  Guns, booze, women.

Well, booze & women, at least.  We don't really care about guns that
much unless it's for hunting game or going to war.
Dillon Pyron - 18 Dec 2007 05:08 GMT
>>Thanks, John.  You're guys are pretty damn good
>
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>
>Your "last final?"  Last final what?

For the semester.  I'm changing careers.  In August of 2009 I hope to
graduate with an AAS in Radiography.  But that's still 5 semesters
away.  This semester: Patient Care - B, Principles of Radiography - C,
Radiographic Anatomy - B, Radiographic Positions and Procedures - B.

Nest semester it's Advanced Radiographic Positions and Procedures,
Principles of Radiography II, Radiographic Imaging Equipment and
Clinical I.  The clinicals will be the fun part, that's when I start
taking x-rays of real people.  Tue & Thur, 7:30-3:00, Seton Hospital.
Some people drew clinics (with PTs refered to as "walkie talkies").  A
few "lucky" ones drew ERs, including a few at Brack.  For those of you
unfamiliar with Austin, Brackenridge is the primary trauma hospital.
It's the equivalent of say, being shot in Houston and saying "take me
to Ben Taub".  Everybody will draw an ER.  I plan to get into either
MRI or nuclear, but that's down the road.  Right now, I just want to
get through this program with my sanity.  Right now I don't know of
anyone that made more than one A in the semester.  And I know of at
least two people who failed out.

>25-years old.  Mmmmm, that must have been tasty.

Oh lordy, did it.  I told one of my class mates about it and she said
"wow, that's older than me".  For about 22 seconds, I considered
inviting her over for a taste or ten.

>>What else am I forgetting?  Guns, booze, women.
>
>Well, booze & women, at least.  We don't really care about guns that
>much unless it's for hunting game or going to war.
>
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dechucka - 19 Dec 2007 01:28 GMT
>>>Thanks, John.  You're guys are pretty damn good
>>
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> For the semester.  I'm changing careers.  In August of 2009 I hope to
> graduate with an AAS in Radiography.

which is why your posts are so insightful and you can see through most of us

Hope it all goes well

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Mike from Ottawa - 19 Dec 2007 03:16 GMT
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>For the semester.  I'm changing careers.  In August of 2009 I hope to
>graduate with an AAS in Radiography.  But that's still 5 semesters
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>"wow, that's older than me".  For about 22 seconds, I considered
>inviting her over for a taste or ten.

Definitely 10.

Well, good luck with all that.  What did you do before?

I started out in forestry but ended up in IT.  In my parents'
generation, they had the same job their entire lives, and retired with
pensions.  My, how things have changed.
Dillon Pyron - 19 Dec 2007 06:22 GMT
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>generation, they had the same job their entire lives, and retired with
>pensions.  My, how things have changed.

I was in IT, security.  But there are no jobs in the area.  I had an
offer from Symantec in July, in San Jose.  But they were only offering
$100K.  Carol can get a job there in a blink, but even if we were
making a quarter, we couldn't live there.  We have a 2000 sq ft house
on an 8000 sq ft lot.  How much would that cost us?

There were 42 in the class on August 27th.  On Sept 1, the Central
Texas Hospital District said that there would be openings for 150 new
radiographers by 2010.

I stayed in IT basically from the time I graduated with a BS in 1978.
But I went from an analyst to a programmer to a system administrator
to a security specialist to a project manager to a security
consultant.  So I made a lot of switchs.

Carol worked for TI for 14 years and has now worked for
Motorola/Freescale for 13.  But has gone from a design tool programmer
to a senior DFT engineer (and probably a fellow by the end of next
year).  A EE with a CS degree.  Interestingly, her brother is also a
DFT engineer.  Also considered one of the leaders.  It's a small
world.
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nitespark - 14 Dec 2007 12:00 GMT
> Thanks, John.  You're guys are pretty damn good
>
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>
> What else am I forgetting?  Guns, booze, women.

You completely left out sex and politics.
George Cathcart - 14 Dec 2007 12:46 GMT
> > Thanks, John.  You're guys are pretty damn good
>
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>
> You completely left out sex and politics.

Damn good shooting. Thanks, Canadians.

I'm glad you posted both articles. The first one stated that the
bronze star is one of the highest medals given by the U.S. military.
It is, of course, the lowest performance based medal. But apparently,
according to the article, it's the highest medal we give to foreign
soldiers. I'd say these guys deserved better.

gc
Lee Bell - 14 Dec 2007 14:24 GMT
That's pretty much what a prairie dog looks like when hit with a 4,000 fps
.224 round.

Wonder how long it will take for Greg to call the snipers sociopaths.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 14 Dec 2007 15:31 GMT
> That's pretty much what a prairie dog looks like when hit with a 4,000 fps
> .224 round.
>
> Wonder how long it will take for Greg to call the snipers sociopaths.

You're comparing yourself and the killing of defenseless little
animals to the military-sanctioned killing of sworn enemy combatants
against the U.S.?

Get a life.
Scott - 14 Dec 2007 18:07 GMT
> Thanks, John.  You're guys are pretty damn good

> http://www.heavy.com/video/13089

I hate to do it, but that is a video of someone shooting yellow bellied
marmots in Colorado.

> http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/KillingShot_2430Metres.asp

> http://www.riflebarrels.com/articles/50calibre/50sniping.htm

> http://serr8d.blogspot.com/2007/11/canadian-snipers-take-out-talaban.html
> I think this last one has the same video.  But it has some cute girls,
> so of course it had to go up.

They got that one wrong too, it is the 30mm chaingun on an Apache.

> And, to make this an official rec.scuba post, my last final was
> Wednesday and I cracked open a bottle of 25 year old Oban to
> celebrate.
>
> What else am I forgetting?  Guns, booze, women.

That pretty much covers it.
Shawn Willden - 15 Dec 2007 18:46 GMT
> http://www.heavy.com/video/13089

This can't be right.  In order to cause a human body to go flying like that,
you'd have to hit it with an artillery round, or at the very least a
vehicle-mounted heavy weapon.  A weapon that can deliver that much energy
to the target would have too much recoil to be shoulder-fired, unless it
weighed several hundred pounds, in which case it would be too heavy to
carry.

The other shots look like they could be real -- a .50 BMG can almost
certainly shred a big part of a body and send small pieces flying while the
rest falls, but there's no way it packs enough energy to throw a 150-lb
piece of meat in the air like that.

       Shawn.
Lee Bell - 16 Dec 2007 15:37 GMT
>> http://www.heavy.com/video/13089

> This can't be right.  In order to cause a human body to go flying like
> that,
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> weighed several hundred pounds, in which case it would be too heavy to
> carry.

> The other shots look like they could be real -- a .50 BMG can almost
> certainly shred a big part of a body and send small pieces flying while
> the
> rest falls, but there's no way it packs enough energy to throw a 150-lb
> piece of meat in the air like that.

The U.S. M33 .50 BMG military load uses a 668 grain FMJ-BT bullet at a
muzzle velocity (MV) of 2910 fps with muzzle energy (ME) of 12,550 ft. lbs.
The U.S. M2 military load uses a 720 grain FMJ-BT bullet at a MV of 2810 fps
and ME of 12,600 ft. lbs. I was about to say that this is a ton of energy,
but that would be wrong. I'ts more than 6 tons of energy.

The muzzle energy of my 22-250 is around 3,800 ft lbs. It will, and has,
thrown a full grown prairie dog, weighing somewhere around 5 lbs, in much
the same way the video shows. Assuming a human weight of about 150 lbs,
about 30 times as heavy, and a muzzle energy a little better than 3 times as
high, it would seem that you're correct. The round could throw part of a
human as shown, but I doubt it would throw all of one like that. My best
guess is that it was not a human target.

Lee
Bryan Heit - 19 Dec 2007 16:38 GMT
> >>http://www.heavy.com/video/13089
> > This can't be right.  In order to cause a human body to go flying like
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>
> Lee

Its highly unlikely that those videos are real (or alternatively, if
real, made by Canadians).  We're rather protective of our special-
forces types here; and outside of the name of a few of the units (i.e.
JTF2) little is known about the members or their operations.  As such
it would be highly unlikely that anything like this would be released.

The rational is that Canada is a small country and letting outsiders
know who these guys are may put them or their families at risk.
Personally I think they're being paranoid - about the only government
institution Canadians really come out and support is our troops - but
its not my call to make.

Bryan
 
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