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Greg Mossman - 11 Dec 2007 21:18 GMT
are ready:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Mossman.Photos/Bonaire

Trip report to follow, maybe in a few days.
JOF - 11 Dec 2007 21:40 GMT
>are ready:
>
>http://picasaweb.google.com/Mossman.Photos/Bonaire
>
>Trip report to follow, maybe in a few days.

Good job. Cripes, I'd have to drag ESG (or you) around just to
identify the damned things. And with my luck I'd be hovering with my
nose to close to the coral trying to figger out what I was looking at
and I'd get a faceful of Green Moray.

JF
Greg Mossman - 11 Dec 2007 22:02 GMT
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:18:14 -0800 (PST), Greg Mossman
>
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> nose to close to the coral trying to figger out what I was looking at
> and I'd get a faceful of Green Moray.

The ID part is much easier with photos.  If I could only still
remember what the fishies looked like after the narc, I could have
saved a lot of money on the photo gear.

At least you'll be able to ID the green moray!
George Cathcart - 11 Dec 2007 22:18 GMT
> > On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:18:14 -0800 (PST), Greg Mossman
>
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>
> At least you'll be able to ID the green moray!

Great stuff Greg. Some awesome macro, especially on those blennies and
gobies. I loved the arrow crab with the eel in the background, and
your eel portraits were outstanding.

Tough part is the lighting on the macros. I could never seem to get
them aimed quite right, and when I did I forgot to change the settings
on the strobes. Fortunately, most macro subjects don't move a lot so
there are chances for do-overs.

Anyway, thanks for posting those. A high bar for me to shoot for next
time.

Great work, again.

gc
Greg Mossman - 11 Dec 2007 22:58 GMT
> > > On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:18:14 -0800 (PST), Greg Mossman
>
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> gobies. I loved the arrow crab with the eel in the background, and
> your eel portraits were outstanding.

Thanks.  It was frustrating trying to shoot since I can only manually
focus with the 6T close-up and on some of the subjects, I still
wouldn't get a clear shot even after 5 or 6 tries.  Trying to get the
gobies to hold still while you're shooting only a couple inches from
their little faces isn't so easy either.  I'm still waiting on L&M to
come out with the port upgrade so I can take my 105mm VR down with
me.  That will make the little stuff a lot easier.

> Tough part is the lighting on the macros. I could never seem to get
> them aimed quite right, and when I did I forgot to change the settings
> on the strobes. Fortunately, most macro subjects don't move a lot so
> there are chances for do-overs.

I was shooting at ISO 400, with the strobe on very low power to just
provide a little fill, one strobe a notch higher than the other to
provide a little shadow and contrast.  The light sensor is so good on
the D200 that I was able to shoot almost everything at 1/400 and f16.
Unfortunately, it's a pain to change the max ISO setting underwater,
so when I went to shoot fish from a bit more distance, I'd have to amp
up the strobes and that would create highlights and black out the
backgrounds.  That's effective for some shots, but ruined others.

On the next trip, I'm taking the max ISO down to 200, which should
allow for more flexible usage of the strobes.  The Titan housing lets
me control each independently with a thumb button, but when shooting
on this last trip, if I took them above low power, it was overkill.

> Anyway, thanks for posting those. A high bar for me to shoot for next
> time.
>
> Great work, again.

Thank you again.  My next trip is a photo class on the Aggressor in
Palau, so I'll hopefully learn enough then and have the right subjects
to really make some decent shots.  Next trick: trying to take decent
wide-angle.
-hh - 14 Dec 2007 12:22 GMT
> > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Mossman.Photos/Bonaire

> > Great stuff Greg. Some awesome macro, especially on those blennies
> > and gobies. I loved ...
>
> Thanks.  

Agreed, the macro stuff looks quite stellar.   It was also nice of you
to avoid posting any of the out of focus shots too :-)

BTW, did you do much with wide angle, bluewater shots?    I've heard
(but not seen) that digital systems don't perform the same as
classical WA on film.  Was hoping that you had some insight and/or
examples.

-hh
George Cathcart - 14 Dec 2007 12:30 GMT
> > > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/Mossman.Photos/Bonaire
> > > Great stuff Greg. Some awesome macro, especially on those blennies
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>
> -hh

hh,

While waiting for Greg, take a look at my recent Bonaire stuff:
http://picasaweb.google.com/george.cathcart/Bonaire. The first seven
were shot with an Ikelite WA wet lens on my Ikelite housing with a
compact Canon A620. The faults in these shots -- especially lack of
edge and corner sharpness -- are the fault of the lens, not the
digital system. I plan to upgrade to an Inon lens one of these days.

gc
Greg Mossman - 14 Dec 2007 15:21 GMT
> > > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/Mossman.Photos/Bonaire
> > > Great stuff Greg. Some awesome macro, especially on those blennies
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> classical WA on film.  Was hoping that you had some insight and/or
> examples.

I didn't try any WA in Bonaire since most of the subjects are better
suited to macro.  I experimented with WA a bit right after I purchased
the housing but since I don't really know what I'm doing with WA, I
was going to save it for the "Mike & Mike" camera class I'm taking on
the Palau Aggressor in March.  If Blue Corner doesn't yield some
decent WA shots, I'll deliberate flood my housing and take up
knitting.

The following were shot on Grand Cayman's north wall in June, using a
12/24mm WA zoom, but they're primarily reef shots, not blue:

http://www.kodakgallery.com/mossman/main/grand_cayman_uw_3
JOF - 11 Dec 2007 22:27 GMT
>> On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:18:14 -0800 (PST), Greg Mossman
>>
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>
>At least you'll be able to ID the green moray!

Them I know. One cuddled me in Key Largo.

JF
hierophantfish@hotmail.com - 14 Dec 2007 02:55 GMT
> are ready:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Mossman.Photos/Bonaire
>
> Trip report to follow, maybe in a few days.

Excellent job Dude !!!!!!!!!    Most excellent !!!!   Your camera
skills are to be admired.  :-)    Looking forward to the report part
too.
Dillon Pyron - 14 Dec 2007 05:36 GMT
>are ready:
>
>http://picasaweb.google.com/Mossman.Photos/Bonaire
>
>Trip report to follow, maybe in a few days.

Damn, that's good.  Thanks.
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Mike from Ottawa - 16 Dec 2007 20:36 GMT
>are ready:
>
>http://picasaweb.google.com/Mossman.Photos/Bonaire
>
>Trip report to follow, maybe in a few days.

While we're having a wild winter storm, I finally found some time to
view your photos.  You've got some really amazing shots there.  Great
job, Greg.
ben bradlee - 18 Dec 2007 17:46 GMT
> are ready:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Mossman.Photos/Bonaire

Excellent pictures.  No confusing horizons with macro photography.  You
managed to obtain an amazing depth of field, bravo!
Dan Bracuk - 22 Dec 2007 03:12 GMT
Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:

:http://picasaweb.google.com/Mossman.Photos/Bonaire

Lots of very nice pictures there.  Almost as good as George Cathcarts.
Almost.

Better than mine though.

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
George Cathcart - 22 Dec 2007 03:25 GMT
> Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
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> Dan Bracuk
> Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.

Thanks Dan, but I have to tell you I was jealous of many of Greg's. He
got some outstanding images there.

gc
Scott - 22 Dec 2007 03:44 GMT
> > Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> > in:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Thanks Dan, but I have to tell you I was jealous of many of Greg's. He
> got some outstanding images there.

Hate to spoil a reach around for you guys but;

Yeah,

You, Dan, Greg and 10,000 others.

Just pick up any SCUBA rag from about 20 years ago and you'll see the same
pics, most better, taken a thousand times by each and every Bonaire diver
with a camera and little talent.

All supposing they were the first to get "that" image of the same old sh.t.

Wait!

Lets have some pics from Coz or BVI!

sh.t, you guys put your heads together you could start a less than mediocre
SCUBA magazine, but there are already plenty of those.
Dan Bracuk - 22 Dec 2007 03:55 GMT
"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:Hate to spoil a reach around for you guys but;

My guess is that you don't hate trying to spoil other people's
enjoyment one iota.  But it won't work with me.

Merry Christmas to you and yours.  Happy diving.  I'll very likely
visit the states for a dive trip in June.  Maybe we can hook up for
some delightful repartee.

If you're up to it.

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
Scott - 22 Dec 2007 04:07 GMT
> "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
> :Hate to spoil a reach around for you guys but;
>
> My guess is that you don't hate trying to spoil other people's
> enjoyment one iota.  But it won't work with me.

Come on.

How many bazzilions have Bonaire pics and think each and everyone isnt the
same sh.t we have seen at least 3,000 times.

Big friggin deal.

How many divers hit Bonaire ever year?

> Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Merry Christmas to you and yours, Dan.

It is the celebration of the birth of Christ, and it thrills me to see that
you dont knuckle under and say "Happy Holidays".

> Happy diving.  I'll very likely
> visit the states for a dive trip in June.  Maybe we can hook up for
> some delightful repartee.

> If you're up to it.

I am always up to it, and have room for visiting dignitaries.

Only, you have to be into diving unpopular, uncommon and not well written
about waters.
George Cathcart - 22 Dec 2007 04:15 GMT
> > > Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> > > in:
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> sh.t, you guys put your heads together you could start a less than mediocre
> SCUBA magazine, but there are already plenty of those.

Didn't see anybody making any claims here, scooter. Also didn't see
any of your photos.

You are a pitiful old fart, aren't you?

gc
Greg Mossman - 22 Dec 2007 06:35 GMT
> Didn't see anybody making any claims here, scooter. Also didn't see
> any of your photos.
>
> You are a pitiful old fart, aren't you?

You'd think someone so supposedly self-assured would be more reluctant
with such a blatant display of jealousy.  Obviously someone pissed in
his stocking.
chilly - 22 Dec 2007 06:51 GMT
> Didn't see anybody making any claims here, scooter. Also didn't see
> any of your photos.
>
> You are a pitiful old fart, aren't you?

Obviously unclear on the concept . .not to mention, jealous as all hell.
Scott - 22 Dec 2007 13:23 GMT
> > Didn't see anybody making any claims here, scooter. Also didn't see
> > any of your photos.
> >
> > You are a pitiful old fart, aren't you?
>
> Obviously unclear on the concept . .not to mention, jealous as all hell.

Trust me, jealous of a dive trip to Bonaire aint it.

I'd sooner spend a week in Detroit.
Greg Mossman - 22 Dec 2007 16:48 GMT
> > > You are a pitiful old fart, aren't you?
>
> > Obviously unclear on the concept . .not to mention, jealous as all hell.
>
> Trust me, jealous of a dive trip to Bonaire aint it.

Suuuuuuurrrrrrrreeeeeee.  Then what is it?

> I'd sooner spend a week in Detroit.

Why?  What's the diving like in Detroit?
George Cathcart - 22 Dec 2007 17:09 GMT
> > > > You are a pitiful old fart, aren't you?
>
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>
> Why?  What's the diving like in Detroit?

Sewers. He's right at home there.

gc
Scott - 22 Dec 2007 17:31 GMT
> Sewers. He's right at home there.

Ah-huh-huh-huh.

How many times a year is Bonaire and pictures from there written up in dive
rags? 6? 8? 15?

How many other people reading here have pictures from Bonaire?

How many are so in need of having their ego stroked, so desperate to be the
center of attention they would post them?
Dan Bracuk - 22 Dec 2007 17:52 GMT
"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:

:How many are so in need of having their ego stroked, so desperate to be the
:center of attention they would post them?

Me.  That's one so far.

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
George Cathcart - 22 Dec 2007 17:58 GMT
> "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Dan Bracuk
> Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.

You can call it ego-stroking if you want, Dan, but I think you can
also get some constructive criticism here if you want. Greg has
offered some suggestions for improving some photos, and I'm always
open to helpful suggestions, too. It actually takes more balls to post
your work than it does to sit back and fire limp cheap shots while
showing nothing of your own.

gc
slim - 22 Dec 2007 18:09 GMT
Scott wrote:
> "slim" <slim@gmail.net> wrote in message news:fkjhnd$lfq$3@aioe.org...
>>> I have lots of photo's, but they are from boring places that not
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Be a good puppy and shift nyms again, "Carl".

Put up or shut up bigmouth.
Can you do either? Didn't think so.
Scott - 22 Dec 2007 18:30 GMT
> Put up or shut up bigmouth.

Mine have been up for years, you just dont know where to look.

You?

> Can you do either? Didn't think so.

Keep it up "Carl" and we'll help you get TOS'd again.
Dan Bracuk - 22 Dec 2007 18:11 GMT
George Cathcart <george.cathcart@gmail.com> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:

:You can call it ego-stroking if you want, Dan, but I think you can
:also get some constructive criticism here if you want. Greg has
:offered some suggestions for improving some photos, and I'm always
:open to helpful suggestions, too. It actually takes more balls to post
:your work than it does to sit back and fire limp cheap shots while
:showing nothing of your own.

I don't think it takes that much courage.  Here on rec scuba, those of
us who post pictures seem to do so with the intent of sharing memories
with others who may enjoy them.  It's the same as with trip reports.

If someone was posting pictures to show what a good photographer they
were, that would take guts, because others may criticize your work.  I
can't remember seeing that happen though.

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
slim - 22 Dec 2007 18:52 GMT
Scott wrote:
> "slim" <slim@gmail.net> wrote in message news:fkjjsm$vpd$1@aioe.org...
>
>> Put up or shut up bigmouth.
>
> Mine have been up for years, you just dont know where to look.

Put up or shut up bigmouth.
Scott - 22 Dec 2007 18:24 GMT
"George Cathcart" <george.cathcart@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:14da3244-2fcf-47f0-bf3f-

> You can call it ego-stroking if you want, Dan, but I think you can
> also get some constructive criticism here if you want. Greg has
> offered some suggestions for improving some photos, and I'm always
> open to helpful suggestions, too. It actually takes more balls to post
> your work than it does to sit back and fire limp cheap shots while
> showing nothing of your own.

Kinda like you do, the cheap shots that is?
chilly - 22 Dec 2007 19:13 GMT
> "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
>
> :How many are so in need of having their ego stroked, so desperate to be the
> :center of attention they would post them?

Geez, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black . . .

> Me.  That's one so far.

You have some very cool pictures Dan and I've always appreciated that
picture ID site that you sent me too.  Also, I very much admired the
pictures of yours that were used to identify some of those fish.
Congratulations on that.

> Dan Bracuk
> Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
Dan Bracuk - 22 Dec 2007 21:43 GMT
"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:

:You have some very cool pictures Dan and I've always appreciated that
:picture ID site that you sent me too.  Also, I very much admired the
:pictures of yours that were used to identify some of those fish.
:Congratulations on that.

Thank you for the ego stroke.  The site to which you refer is
http://www.fishdb.co.uk/.  I currently have the newest photo.

If you want to see some really nice photos, check out this
contributor, http://www.fishdb.co.uk/findpicture.php?user=bgbarrelridr

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
chilly - 22 Dec 2007 23:23 GMT
> "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Thank you for the ego stroke.

Anytime, though I don't think you really need it.  :)

>The site to which you refer is
> http://www.fishdb.co.uk/.  I currently have the newest photo.

How cool is that??!!

> If you want to see some really nice photos, check out this
> contributor, http://www.fishdb.co.uk/findpicture.php?user=bgbarrelridr

Thanks again!

> Dan Bracuk
> Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
slim - 22 Dec 2007 17:30 GMT
>>>> You are a pitiful old fart, aren't you?
>>> Obviously unclear on the concept . .not to mention, jealous as all hell.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Why?  What's the diving like in Detroit?

It's mostly dumpster diving. He'd be right at home.
chilly - 22 Dec 2007 19:09 GMT
On Dec 22, 5:29 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > You are a pitiful old fart, aren't you?
>
> > Obviously unclear on the concept . .not to mention, jealous as all hell.
>
> Trust me, jealous of a dive trip to Bonaire aint it.

Suuuuuuurrrrrrrreeeeeee.  Then what is it?

> I'd sooner spend a week in Detroit.

Why?  What's the diving like in Detroit?

Maybe the diving isn't all that, but he'd potentially have the opportunity
to use his gun.

Greg, I thought you fixed your lack of carets problem?
Greg Mossman - 22 Dec 2007 21:10 GMT
> Greg, I thought you fixed your lack of carets problem?

That was e-mail.  Here I'm posting via Google, so it's not my fault.
chilly - 22 Dec 2007 21:19 GMT
On Dec 22, 11:09 am, "chilly" <slar...@shaw.canada> wrote:

>> Greg, I thought you fixed your lack of carets problem?

?That was e-mail.  Here I'm posting via Google, so it's not my fault.

Speaking of e-mail . . .
crownfield - 22 Dec 2007 23:39 GMT
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-> "George Cathcart" <george.cathcart@gmail.com> wrote in message
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-> >
-> > Didn't see anybody making any claims here, scooter. Also didn't see
-> > any of your photos.
-> >
-> > You are a pitiful old fart, aren't you?
->
-> Obviously unclear on the concept . .not to mention, jealous as all hell.
-
-Trust me, jealous of a dive trip to Bonaire aint it.
-
-I'd sooner spend a week in Detroit.

scott, you need a clue.
PNW os one thing, Bonaire is another.

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slim - 22 Dec 2007 23:48 GMT
> scott, you need a clue.
> PNW os one thing, Bonaire is another.

Scott is an arrogant a.shole.
Save your breath.
Greg Mossman - 23 Dec 2007 00:07 GMT
> In article <m5WdnQlpBMo-kvDanZ2dnUVZ_s6mn...@whidbeytel.com>,
> pugetsounddi...@gmail.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> scott, you need a clue.
> PNW os one thing, Bonaire is another.

See Bob, you haven't completely lost it.  PNW is great topside, and
probably below the surface too if I were ever to brave it in my
drysuit.  Probably a few things to take pictures of down there,
including ugly giant octopi, ugly wolf eels, and ugly ratfish, all in
hues of browns and greens, maybe a colorful rockfish or three and some
sponges and anemones to liven things up.

But Bonaire, besides the warm water which allows for unencumbered
diving, has clear water and lots of colorful fish and corals and
sponges and easy conditions, making it far more conducive to pretty
pics.  The island is practically designed for diving, with walls just
a short kick from shore, and a host of diver-friendly hotels, condos,
and resorts, many of which offer good shore diving right off their
dock.  You can even drink the tap water.

The only negative about Bonaire, besides the PITA to get there, is the
rampant property crime.  But I can't believe Detroit is any better in
that aspect.  Violent crime is practically non-existent there.
George Cathcart - 23 Dec 2007 01:24 GMT
> > In article <m5WdnQlpBMo-kvDanZ2dnUVZ_s6mn...@whidbeytel.com>,
> > pugetsounddi...@gmail.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> rampant property crime.  But I can't believe Detroit is any better in
> that aspect.  Violent crime is practically non-existent there.

I guess the property crime is sporadic. We had no trouble at all. We
did leave the windows down and the trucks unlocked, and nothing of
great value in the trucks, but nothing was taken, and we didn't hear
of anything being taken. There was a story in the local paper about a
big bust a couple weeks before we went that nabbed a bunch of people
suspected of stealing from divers' trucks, so maybe that nipped that
crime wave.

And it was no PITA for us to get there. Air Jamaica from Baltimore to
Montego Bay, Montego Bay to Bonaire. Good planes, good service. Quick
turnaround in Montego Bay, but we and all our luggage made the
connections both ways.

I have a cousin who lives outside Detroit, and he has told me he has
hired a diver to clean his pool, but I still think I'd rather go to
Bonaire.

gc
Greg Mossman - 23 Dec 2007 01:51 GMT
> > The only negative about Bonaire, besides the PITA to get there, is the
> > rampant property crime.  But I can't believe Detroit is any better in
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> suspected of stealing from divers' trucks, so maybe that nipped that
> crime wave.

Unfortunately the result of that story was less than satisfactory.
Apparently there aren't sufficient holding facilities on Bonaire to
hold crooks, so they let them go.  They really need to do something
about the theft, but until then it's every man for himself.

We had absolutely no problems at Den Laman.  There's a security door
to get in the place at night, no easy access to upper floors, and a
security guard on the premises.  While we used the safe for passports
and money and Janna's jewelry, there were no problems leaving my
camera equipment and laptop in the room.

Likewise, our vehicle experience was aproblematic.  The only problem
with leaving the windows rolled down at times was the rain that came
in and made the seats wet.  But I'd rather sit in wet-bottomed shorts
at dinner than get blamed by the car rental place for not following
the rules and letting something get stolen.  Surprisingly the truck
had a stereo with removable face-place.  We removed the face-plate and
stuck it in the glove compartment when we were parked.  No one stole
the face plate.

We did have a bit of a fright when I went to start the truck after we
dove Witch's Hut and it didn't turn over, but our battery was still
there and it started after I banged on it a few times and wiggled the
cables.  If it hadn't started, I doubt it would have been too much of
a problem finding some divers to give us a ride back to town.  I
wouldn't want to try that in Detroit.

> And it was no PITA for us to get there. Air Jamaica from Baltimore to
> Montego Bay, Montego Bay to Bonaire. Good planes, good service. Quick
> turnaround in Montego Bay, but we and all our luggage made the
> connections both ways.

Ours was a bigger PITA because we went through Newark.  Newark
absolutely sucks.  Our Houston experience was far better and that's
how we'll do it the next time, and the next time... But it's still a
red-eye out of Houston and that leaves you in Bonaire too early to
check in and by the time you're checked in and orientated, you're
ready for a long nap.  I had thought AJ stopped their flights to
Bonaire, but apparently they're still running.  That's how I did it my
first trip, L.A. to Montego direct, then the short hop to Bonaire.
That worked out OK, except for a 6-hour layover in Montego.

> I have a cousin who lives outside Detroit, and he has told me he has
> hired a diver to clean his pool, but I still think I'd rather go to
> Bonaire.

I would volunteer to clean the pool at the Hefner Mansion if it were
in use at the time, and would probably prefer that over Bonaire, but
so far the offer hasn't come in yet.  I'm still waiting patiently.
Dan Bracuk - 23 Dec 2007 04:28 GMT
George Cathcart <george.cathcart@gmail.com> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:

:And it was no PITA for us to get there. Air Jamaica from Baltimore to
:Montego Bay, Montego Bay to Bonaire. Good planes, good service. Quick
:turnaround in Montego Bay, but we and all our luggage made the
:connections both ways.

It would be for us.  We were contemplating it earlier this year but
the travel cost and itinerary dissuaded us and we went to Curacao
instead.

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
George Cathcart - 23 Dec 2007 01:26 GMT
> > In article <m5WdnQlpBMo-kvDanZ2dnUVZ_s6mn...@whidbeytel.com>,
> > pugetsounddi...@gmail.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> hues of browns and greens, maybe a colorful rockfish or three and some
> sponges and anemones to liven things up.

I would love to dive in the PNW. I did a couple dives in Monterey Bay
in August and was blown away by the invertebrates there. I've heard
even better things about Puget Sound and even further north. Dry suit
is my next major scuba investment.

But first I'm going to the Bahamas in May...

gc
Greg Mossman - 23 Dec 2007 01:54 GMT
> I would love to dive in the PNW. I did a couple dives in Monterey Bay
> in August and was blown away by the invertebrates there. I've heard
> even better things about Puget Sound and even further north. Dry suit
> is my next major scuba investment.

Hopefully you'll stop down this way first.  I'd love to get back in my
drysuit for some great local diving but I really need the impetus of a
willing buddy, maybe even an arm-twisting.

> But first I'm going to the Bahamas in May...

I'd like to try a Nekton trip there someday.  Where in the Bahamas are
you going?
George Cathcart - 23 Dec 2007 02:43 GMT
> > I would love to dive in the PNW. I did a couple dives in Monterey Bay
> > in August and was blown away by the invertebrates there. I've heard
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I'd like to try a Nekton trip there someday.  Where in the Bahamas are
> you going?

Caribbean Explorer I. I've done the CEx II a couple years ago. I've
heard great things about this one, too. Still assembling the group if
you're interested.

gc
Greg Mossman - 23 Dec 2007 02:53 GMT
> > > I would love to dive in the PNW. I did a couple dives in Monterey Bay
> > > in August and was blown away by the invertebrates there. I've heard
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> heard great things about this one, too. Still assembling the group if
> you're interested.

As our good buddy Scott would say, "ping me".  Janna has a weird
school schedule this year and I'm flat broke, but we still might be
able to work something out.
Dan Bracuk - 23 Dec 2007 04:32 GMT
Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:

:As our good buddy Scott would say, "ping me".  Janna has a weird
:school schedule this year and I'm flat broke, but we still might be
:able to work something out.

I thought you were filthy rich.

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
chilly - 23 Dec 2007 07:41 GMT
> Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> I thought you were filthy rich.

Even Donald Trump had his bad days.

> Dan Bracuk
> Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
Greg Mossman - 23 Dec 2007 17:25 GMT
> Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> I thought you were filthy rich.

I was doing OK until I sunk a big chunk of money into a construction
project for my business.  The original budget was fine.  Unfortunately
the actual costs ended up being just a bit more money than I had to
spend, so now I have less than no money to spend until/unless the
project starts bringing in some money to pay me back.  That could be a
few months or it could be a few years, hence the reason why I'm home
and working this holiday for a change rather than dodging tsunamis in
Thailand.  Besides, this is the nicest place to be right now.  Did I
mention that it's 70 and sunny today?
George Cathcart - 23 Dec 2007 18:04 GMT
> > Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> > in:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Thailand.  Besides, this is the nicest place to be right now.  Did I
> mention that it's 70 and sunny today?

Yeah, you mentioned it, but I'm not jealous. Much.

I do remember setting up a table under the mesquite tree in our front
yard in Phoenix to eat Christmas dinner a few times -- and then
calling my brothers "back east" to wish them a happy holiday and
admonish them to "keep warm."

I know it's just karma that has me reading stuff like that now. But it
is 56 today, in a fog so thick I might need to take my scuba gear if I
go out for a walk...

Have a good one Greg.

gc
chilly - 23 Dec 2007 19:48 GMT
On Dec 22, 8:32 pm, Dan Bracuk <NOTbra...@pathcom.com> wrote:
> Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> I thought you were filthy rich.

?I was doing OK until I sunk a big chunk of money into a construction
?project for my business.  The original budget was fine.  Unfortunately
?the actual costs ended up being just a bit more money than I had to
?spend, so now I have less than no money to spend until/unless the
?project starts bringing in some money to pay me back.  That could be a
?few months or it could be a few years, hence the reason why I'm home
?and working this holiday for a change rather than dodging tsunamis in
?Thailand.  Besides, this is the nicest place to be right now.  Did I
?mention that it's 70 and sunny today?

That sounds a bit cool for doing laps in your pool, but I suppose it is
about perfect for the hot tub in the evenings.
Greg Mossman - 23 Dec 2007 20:23 GMT
> On Dec 22, 8:32 pm, Dan Bracuk <NOTbra...@pathcom.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> That sounds a bit cool for doing laps in your pool, but I suppose it is
> about perfect for the hot tub in the evenings.

That's the bah humbug part.  My hot tub isn't working.  Well the jets
work, but it's not hot unless you Canadians consider 56-degree water
hot.  We got 165 cases of product in on Friday and I hefted each one
of the boxes at least once as we processed and moved everything
inside.  I really need my hot tub.

This time it might just be the pilot light, but that begs the question
why the pilot light would have gone out since we haven't had any
wind.  I'm having some trouble with the damn thing at least every
month or so, always coinciding with the times I really need to sit in
it.  I put off checking the pilot until today since I have to crawl in
the mud to get to it.  I guess I better get crawling.  We have to
leave in three hours for our long drive to "the Valley".
Greg Mossman - 23 Dec 2007 20:35 GMT
> > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> the mud to get to it.  I guess I better get crawling.  We have to
> leave in three hours for our long drive to "the Valley".

No luck.  Bah humbug.  The pool guy doesn't come out until Friday and
he might be off this week.
Dan Bracuk - 23 Dec 2007 04:32 GMT
George Cathcart <george.cathcart@gmail.com> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:Caribbean Explorer I. I've done the CEx II a couple years ago. I've
:heard great things about this one, too. Still assembling the group if
:you're interested.

Is that the boat that used to do St Kitts and Saba?

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
George Cathcart - 23 Dec 2007 14:37 GMT
> George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com> pounded away at his
> keyboard resulting in:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Dan Bracuk
> Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.

Same boat, different itinerary. There's another boat doing the Saba
route now. I was on it about two and a half years ago. Nice boat.

gc
Dan Bracuk - 23 Dec 2007 16:31 GMT
George Cathcart <george.cathcart@gmail.com> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:Same boat, different itinerary. There's another boat doing the Saba
:route now. I was on it about two and a half years ago. Nice boat.

Nice boat, but there's nicer ones out there.  Are you going to splurge
for an upper deck room and get your own head?  My wife has become
spoiled and won't share washrooms anymore.

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
George Cathcart - 23 Dec 2007 17:04 GMT
> George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com> pounded away at his
> keyboard resulting in:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Dan Bracuk
> Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.

I'm going lower deck. I'm lower class and don't mind sharing :). Most
of my friends are, too. There are still two upper deck rooms
available, though, last I checked...

gc
Dan Bracuk - 23 Dec 2007 04:31 GMT
George Cathcart <george.cathcart@gmail.com> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:

:But first I'm going to the Bahamas in May...

Where in the Bahamas?  I've been there a couple of times on
liveaboards and really enjoyed the diving.  I'll probably go on the
Aqua Cat in June 2009.

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
Scott - 22 Dec 2007 13:29 GMT
> Didn't see anybody making any claims here, scooter. Also didn't see
> any of your photos.

I dont recall saying anyone made a claim, but whatever, you people make sh.t
up as you go.

I have lots of photo's, but they are from boring places that not everyone
and their sister has been to for two weeks every winter for the last 30
years.

> You are a pitiful old fart, aren't you?

Next to you?
Greg Mossman - 22 Dec 2007 16:48 GMT
> I have lots of photo's, but they are from boring places that not everyone
> and their sister has been to for two weeks every winter for the last 30
> years.

If you have underwater photos, feel free to post a link.  This is a
scuba newsgroup and that's why we share underwater photos here.  It's
a lot more relevant than sharing tips on how to move your 80,000
rounds of ammo.

Bonaire gets only 60,000 tourists a year.  Half come from Europe.
Many are cruisers that only stop in town for a few hours.  Some are
windsurfers.  It's a tiny island with no buildings over three stories
high, no major chain hotels (until the Hilton arrives in another year
or two), and not much else to do there but dive. It's a real pain in
the a.s to get to.  All that severely limits the number of American
divers that go there each year.  It's certainly not "everyone and
their sister".

What I really can't understand is how you have the gall, with all your
off-topic bullshit posts, to complain about dive-related posts?  If
it's not jealously rearing its ugly pointy head, what can it possibly
be?

As for the photos, if you think you can do better, I'd love to see.
Besides, for me, Bonaire was further practice gearing up for my
upcoming photo trip to Palau.  That's really gonna make you jealous.
I wonder what you'll whine about then.
slim - 22 Dec 2007 17:32 GMT
> I have lots of photo's, but they are from boring places that not everyone
> and their sister has been to for two weeks every winter for the last 30
> years.

Prove it big mouth.
Scott - 22 Dec 2007 17:37 GMT
> > I have lots of photo's, but they are from boring places that not everyone
> > and their sister has been to for two weeks every winter for the last 30
> > years.
>
> Prove it big mouth.

Be a good puppy and shift nyms again, "Carl".
 
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