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Scuba Forum / General / December 2007If only everybody were carrying Barretts 82A1/M107q, AK47s or RPGs OT
This would never have happened or there could have been a really good shootout http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2007/12/06/america/OUKWD-UK-SHOOTING-NEBRASKA.php > This would never have happened or there could have been a really good > shootout > > http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2007/12/06/america/OUKWD-UK-SHOOTING-NEBRASKA.php Barretts are too bulky. They interfere with your Christmas shopping. Better to carry a small pistol. Note: you began this thread....  Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American. ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >> This would never have happened or there could have been a really good >> shootout >> >> http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2007/12/06/america/OUKWD-UK-SHOOTING-NEBRASKA.php > > Barretts are too bulky. They interfere with your Christmas shopping. but you take the perp out from a long way away > Better to carry a small pistol. Glock 9mm? > Note: you began this thread.... very observant of you >>>This would never have happened or there could have been a really good >>>shootout [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Glock 9mm? Glock is hardly a small pistol. >>Note: you began this thread.... > > very observant of you Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American. ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >>>>This would never have happened or there could have been a really good >>>>shootout [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Glock is hardly a small pistol. it is if you are a real man. You probably think a derringer pocket gun ( should actually be Deringer) is a big gun >>>>>This would never have happened or there could have been a really good >>>>>shootout [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > it is if you are a real man. You probably think a derringer pocket gun ( > should actually be Deringer) is a big gun Glad you think RealMen need big pistols. I generally carry a Kel-Tec. Either a PF-9 or a P3-AT (depending on what I am wearing/where I am going). Neither is a tackdriver at 50 ft, but I won't be using it at 50 ft either. Concealable is better in most social situations. Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American. ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >>>>>>This would never have happened or there could have been a really good >>>>>>shootout [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Concealable is better in most social situations. I carry nothing, lucky country I live in that I don't need to > I carry nothing, lucky country I live in that I don't need to Then how do you protect yourself from the overly amorous sheep / 'roos around there? <snicker> > >>>>>>This would never have happened or there could have been a really good > >>>>>>shootout [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I carry nothing, lucky country I live in that I don't need to I may carry, or not as I see fit - lucky country I live in that I have the choice. :-) Dennis > Glad you think RealMen need big pistols. > I generally carry a Kel-Tec. Either a PF-9 or a P3-AT (depending on what I > am wearing/where I am going). Neither is a tackdriver at 50 ft, but I > won't be using it at 50 ft either. > > Concealable is better in most social situations. I also have a P3-AT for when a fanny pack would be inappropriate. A friend of mine carries a full sized 1911 via a clip mounted to holes drilled and tapped into the slide. It conceals quite well. I may adopt his method to oen of the smaller 1911 pistols once I've lost the rest of my excess weight and assuming I can find a 1911 I want to carry. Lee > > Glad you think RealMen need big pistols. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Lee The Gold Cup isn't good enough? > The Gold Cup isn't good enough? The Gold Cup is the worst 1911 I have, or was until I spent money to fix the kinds of things that Colt should have addressed before it left the factory. Even now that it's fixed, it's not the best for concealed carry. Both my Gold Cup and my Kimber have target sights that are higher profile and have sharp edges. They also have magazine wells, which forces me to put base pads on my mags. Both the mag wells and pads make the gun harder to conceal effectively. My Colt Delta Elite 10mm has combat style sights and would work better, but it also has a mag well. Also, it's a pretty heavy gun and, even with the added weight, full power loads have a heavy enough recoil that double taps are not usually an option. If I decide to go with a 1911, which is quite possible, it could be one of several. I already have a Colt Government Model .380 that is considerably more accurate than my KelTec, but no more powerful. I'm also considering A Springfield Armory EMP in 9mm or, should they make one, in .40. The Kimber Aegis, another sub compact 9mm is also a possibility. Other options include a Commander or Officer's model size gun in anything from .45, to .40 (my preference) to 9mm. There are lots of options better, and more easily concealed than anything I currently have, and I'm in no hurry. I don't carry all the time and, when I do, it's more to be prepared for the unlikely need. I don't actually expect to ever use a gun defensibly, even though I have on a couple of occasions, and I have an even lower expectation of having to fire one defensively, something I've not had to do so far, but am fully trained and practiced to do. What I have now, is as good as what I might prefer, until I have to use it. Lee > A friend of mine carries a full sized 1911 via a clip mounted to holes > drilled and tapped into the slide. It conceals quite well. I may adopt his > method to oen of the smaller 1911 pistols once I've lost the rest of my > excess weight and assuming I can find a 1911 I want to carry. When the weather had cools down enough that I can wear a jacket, I can carry a full frame 1911 style .45 in a a belt slide type holster that I picked up a few years ago... It keeps the .45 close into the body and canted forward so that the grips do not stick out in the back... Even a thick baggy denim shirt over the top seems to conceal it well enough, but adding the leather jacket makes it virtually unnoticed as long as I don't do stupid things like bending over while reaching for something with my right hand... The same type of carry also works well for the Berreta 96FS that I own, but since it has a thicker grip, I do not believe that it ends up hiding as well against the body... I've never had anyone mention it when I was carrying, so I think it is just that I'm a bit more self-conscious when I have that thicker grip pressing into my side... With this type of holster, I used a carry position that is slightly to the rear of the side seam on my pants so that it is not noticeable even if I have my jacket unzipped... Of course you need a mid length jacket for this sort of thing... I have one that is cut somewhat similar to the M65 field jacket, but in leather, and it hangs down far enough to hide the barrel even when I'm reaching for things... > Glock is hardly a small pistol. Still, it's remarkable how many people think it is and carry one adequately concealed. My personal concealed weapon, at the moment, is an XD 9 Sub Compact. Except for the short barrel, it's nearly the size of a Glock. Speaking of XDs, I heard a rumor that the FBI is abandoning Glock in favor of XDs. I must say that's a bit of a surprise. Lee > Still, it's remarkable how many people think it is and carry one adequately > concealed. My personal concealed weapon, at the moment, is an XD 9 Sub > Compact. Except for the short barrel, it's nearly the size of a Glock. > > Speaking of XDs, I heard a rumor that the FBI is abandoning Glock in favor > of XDs. I must say that's a bit of a surprise. Is that the same one you were carrying when I was down there last? When we compared the two that we were carrying at that time, I seem to remember that they were *very* close to the same physical size... I would think that a 9mm would be a bit smaller though... >> Still, it's remarkable how many people think it is and carry one >> adequately concealed. My personal concealed weapon, at the moment, is an [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that they were *very* close to the same physical size... I would think > that a 9mm would be a bit smaller though... I believe it's the same one. Mine is a 9mm. The .45 XD is slightly wider than the other calibers. The rest are the same size. > >>>This would never have happened or there could have been a really good > >>>shootout [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Glock is hardly a small pistol. The 29 is fairly small, IIRC. Dennis > This would never have happened or there could have been a really good > shootout > > http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2007/12/06/america/OUKWD-UK-SHOOTING-NEBRASKA.php It also wouldn't have happened if his girlfriend had put out a bit more... It's pretty obvious from reading the article that they guy just didn't get laid enough... In article <47577231$0$22919$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... -This would never have happened or there could have been a really good -shootout - -http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2007/12/06/america/OUKWD-UK-SHOOTING-NEBRASKA.php very sad, but interesting. When will we start helping people before they go over the edge? If all the money spent trying to take away guns had been used to help people on the edge, we all would be better off. If all the money spent trying to take away guns had been spent on preventing dui 1, dui 2, dui 4, dui 4, we all would be better off. offenders would not be able to drive. If all the money spent trying to take away guns had been used make young drivers safer drivers, we all would be better off. 6,000 less deaths per year. SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net >In article <47577231$0$22919$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- >01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >had been used make young drivers safer drivers, >we all would be better off. 6,000 less deaths per year. You missed if all the money spent by the NRA to promote guns hadn't been spent, might there be fewer sad occurences like that latest one happening? Instead of helping people like that go over the edge and take innocent people with them, what about spending the money and effort wasted in defence of guns for a more positive cause, like help for homicidal maniacs instead of negative reinforcement, encouraging them to have and use guns? You're happy to see money and effort spent to improve vehicle safety and reduce dui's but want hands off for gun owners. That's the kind of objectivity we've all come to expect from irrational gun owners, and the reason why all gun owners get little sympathy or support from anyone outside the fraternity. JF >>In article <47577231$0$22919$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- >>01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > JF You make the assumption that the majority of US citizens want guns removed. That's not the truth. It is, in fact, just the opposite. http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/11/beat-the-high-c.html Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American. ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >You make the assumption that the majority of US citizens want guns >removed. That's not the truth. It is, in fact, just the opposite. > >http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/11/beat-the-high-c.html Those half dozen or whatever posts representative a majority of the 300,000,000 folks in the States? Gedowdaheah! Even the most simple-minded gunsel doan thank that dawg hunts. Dude, get a grip. You're talking to mature adults here, not more gun crazed morons. JF >>You make the assumption that the majority of US citizens want guns >>removed. That's not the truth. It is, in fact, just the opposite. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > JF Click on the "vote" . You can see the totals for the poll there. As of this post, there are 49463 votes. 98% vote yes. Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American. ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >>>You make the assumption that the majority of US citizens want guns >>>removed. That's not the truth. It is, in fact, just the opposite. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Click on the "vote" . You can see the totals for the poll there. As of > this post, there are 49463 votes. 98% vote yes. not exactly an accurate way of finding out the thoughts of the population, the problem with these polls is that the voters self select whereas in a properly run opinion poll they are selected to give a representative view of the population >>>You make the assumption that the majority of US citizens want guns >>>removed. That's not the truth. It is, in fact, just the opposite. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Click on the "vote" . You can see the totals for the poll there. As of >this post, there are 49463 votes. 98% vote yes. Kind of a fixed poll, isn't it? Here's the language of the Second - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." What other meaning could possibly be taken from those words? But just because the folks who responded were bright enuf to comprehend what was said so clearly doesn't mean they believe that the reasons for that dictum several hundred years ago haven't changed with time Wishful thinking is clouding your judgement and apparently the jusdgement of the folks who issued that poll. It's obvious where their sympathies lie, isn't it. Ask the honest question. See what answer you get to that. Instead of "Does the second amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?" ask something like "Should there be stricter controls on availability of certain kinds of guns?" or "Should there be more stringent standards imposed for possession of guns?" or "Should the penalties for illegal use of a firearm be increased?" and so on. That question falls into the same cheesy category as the one that asks "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" An honest answer will only serve to incriminate you, or count as a vote against your personal beliefs. It means nothing. In fact it means worse than nothing. It causes any right thinking individual to question the ethics behind the whole pro-gun push if they have to rely on cheap parlour tricks to create an illusion of right. It's like the question Scott posted earlier, trying to ride the coattails of a legitimate poll with a trick question in hopes that no one here was smart enuf to pick up on his artifice. His gullibility speaks volumes about why the progunners keep shooting themselves in the foot when they try to jam their personal agenda down others' throats. JF <chainsaw> No one is trying to ram anything down your throat or anyone elses for the thousandth time, you stupid, bullshit projecting, whirling dervish, lying sack of sh.t. DONT OWN A GUN! How many f.cking times do We have to tell you that before you stop accusing us of "ramming" things down peoples throats?!?!? What We are doing is presenting a united front against socialist idiots like you, Mossman, Upchuck and that two faced coward of a floor mopping bitch in Hawaii. YOU are the one obsessed with discussing this topic here on rec.scuba at every turn because you think it makes you look mature and smart, and it gives you the chance to sling what you think is clever insult. Reality is that you are simply a senile old coward, a stuck up, holier than thou idiot that cant comprehend the simplest of facts, realities or truths, but too much of a f.cking punk to be a bully in real life. You sling idiocy, fabrications and lies like water and you get pounded for it at every turn, then on comes the arm circling and twisting. . YOU are the one trying to shove your bullshit down everyones throat, you f.cking miserable old slobbering hypocrite. It's not a "Pro Gun Push" you f.cking moron, We have the right, the freedom and the guns and *you* aint gonna take that freedom from Us, *ever*! It is you and pussies like you who are afraid of real people with real freedom that you cant control or create enough flowery bullshit to get them to agree with you in the smallest way, because you are not only wrong, but you are f.cking liar and a cheap, socialist whore that no self respecting adult would bother to wipe your f.cking nose. YOU are *NEVER* going to live long enough to see the second amendment repealed. If this was a real bar, here in America, you would keep your f.cking mouth shut on this subject or be wearing a well broken nose, and you know it. LAY THE f.ck OFF! You and all your whining and caterwauling are never going to do anything but ruin friendships and make a galactic a.s of yourself for as long as you keep trying to shove your whiny bitch bullshit up Our a.ses. You aint an American, you aint smart enough to be one, so go suck up some wine, each some cheese and shut the f.ck up. Now, get back in your f.cking hole you wine sodden, old doddering fool. Your Lord And Master ><chainsaw> > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > >Your Lord And Master Wow! That was good. JF >><chainsaw> >> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Wow! That was good. And accurate. Don't forget accurate. > JF Signature"I don't know much about the different guns but based on the tv I watch there are lots of automatic weapons out there. In fact I'm sure they're in the majority, certainly in the handgun department. I guess my concern would be with the more easily concealed weapons capable of firing sustained bursts at extreme cycling rates." -JOF Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>Your Lord And Master >> Wow! That was good. > And accurate. > Don't forget accurate. Definitely good enough for credit on one keyboard. > >>>Your Lord And Master > >> Wow! That was good. > > And accurate. > > Don't forget accurate. > Definitely good enough for credit on one keyboard. Barkeep, a round for the Americans. > <chainsaw> > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > and *you* aint gonna take that freedom from Us, *ever*! It is you and > pussies like you who are afraid of real people with real freedom people like Robert Hawkins? that > you cant control or create enough flowery bullshit to get them to > agree with you in the smallest way, because you are not only wrong, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > mouth shut on this subject or be wearing a well broken nose, and you > know it. violence is the answer for everthing with you is it? > LAY THE f.ck OFF! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a.ses. You aint an American, you aint smart enough to be one, so go > suck up some wine, each some cheese and shut the f.ck up. your more a beer and burger man who only likes the bright yellow mustard ? > Now, get back in your f.cking hole you wine sodden, old doddering > fool. > > Your Lord And Master what happen the equality of man > <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote in message > violence is the answer for everthing with you is it? Blow me, how's that? > your more a beer and burger man who only likes the bright yellow mustard Better than f.cking sheep. Ask anyone who knows me when the last time they saw me eat a burger, asswipe. I could cook circles around the likes of you any day. > what happen the equality of man Why don't you tell us? Your version doesn't include Us or Our rights, just running your idea of life and liberty up our a.s at our expense. You lefties are the worst kind of bigots, not over skin color, but over ways of life, freedom and thought you haven't the capacity to understand, let alone control or subjugate. So why should any of you be treated better than you give? You f.ckers dish it out with a shovel and when you get a little spoonful back, you squeal like stuck pigs. >> <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Better than f.cking sheep. if that is your opinion from experiance, well who am I to argue being a virgin when it comes to sheep. I bow to your knowledge on the subject > Ask anyone who knows me when the last time they saw me eat a burger, > asswipe. > > I could cook circles around the likes of you any day. of course you could, now go and a Bud >> what happen the equality of man > > Why don't you tell us? > > Your version doesn't include Us or Our rights, just running your idea > of life and liberty up our a.s at our expense. Like the freedom of Robert Hawkins, notice you snipped that from my original post to you hard question for you is it > You lefties are the worst kind of bigots, not over skin color, but > over ways of life, freedom and thought you haven't the capacity to > understand, let alone control or subjugate. I have tried to understand it having spent enough time in the States. I have no desire ( or as you say the capacity ) to control or subjugate you or fellow countrymen > So why should any of you be treated better than you give? > > You f.ckers dish it out with a shovel and when you get a little > spoonful back, you squeal like stuck pigs. whose squealing, comprehension not your best asset or would you just of sneaked across the Rio Grande and prefer Spanish > Like the freedom of Robert Hawkins, notice you snipped that from my original > post to you hard question for you is it Not worth arguing the likes of you with. Big difference. I try not to step in dog sh.t when I can avoid it too. He was bat-sh.t nuts and the state and the mental people failed him and his victims. Too bad some one with a concealed permit wasnt there to stop him when he got off the elevator. Because he was bat-sh.t nuts, all the other 300 million law abiding gun owners should have their rights and freedoms stripped by cowards like you? > > You lefties are the worst kind of bigots, not over skin color, but > > over ways of life, freedom and thought you haven't the capacity to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > no desire ( or as you say the capacity ) to control or subjugate you or > fellow countrymen Then butt the f.ck out. Simple. Mind your own affairs and nation. > > So why should any of you be treated better than you give? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > whose squealing, comprehension not your best asset or would you just of > sneaked across the Rio Grande and prefer Spanish You are an idiot, and you cant even produce a decent insult. >> Like the freedom of Robert Hawkins, notice you snipped that from my >> original >> post to you hard question for you is it > > Not worth arguing the likes of you with. Can't more likely, Robert hawkins is the downside to your freedom > Big difference. I try not to step in dog sh.t when I can avoid it too. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > gun owners should have their rights and freedoms stripped by cowards > like you? it seems to happen often in the States, by i don't want to interfer with your freedom >> > You lefties are the worst kind of bigots, not over skin color, but >> > over ways of life, freedom and thought you haven't the capacity to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > You are an idiot, and you cant even produce a decent insult. you seem to be very uptight > > Like the freedom of Robert Hawkins, notice you snipped that from my original > > post to you hard question for you is it [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and his victims. Too bad some one with a concealed permit wasnt there > to stop him when he got off the elevator. Well, remember the chap at U of Virginia was known to the mental health folks, but by the state law, they could not go anything. Dennis > Well, remember the chap at U of Virginia was known to the mental health > folks, but by the state law, they could not do anything. Everyone who knew him knew he was trouble. So the obvious cure is to disarm everyone, like they did at U of V and let the nts have free run. Makes perfect sense. >> Well, remember the chap at U of Virginia was known to the mental health >> folks, but by the state law, they could not do anything. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Makes perfect sense. UVa? What happened at UVa? Perhaps you're talking about the incident that occurred at VPI, also known as Virginia Tech? The University of Virginia is not the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University. -- Galen Hekhuis ghekhuis@earthlink.net I have no recollection of recalling that... > >> Well, remember the chap at U of Virginia was known to the mental health > >> folks, but by the state law, they could not do anything. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > The University of Virginia is not the Virginia Polytechnic Institute > and State University. Virginia Tech - thanks. Dennis >> >> Well, remember the chap at U of Virginia was known to the mental >> >> health [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Virginia Tech - thanks. So many in the States you have a hard time keeping track of them > >> >> Well, remember the chap at U of Virginia was known to the mental > >> >> health [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > So many in the States you have a hard time keeping track of them No, it was just a mistake. Dennis >> >> >> Well, remember the chap at U of Virginia was known to the mental >> >> >> health [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > No, it was just a mistake. I'll beleive you this once, not that it really matters if I do or not <snip> > >> > Virginia Tech - thanks. > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I'll beleive you this once, not that it really matters if I do or not Indeed not. Dennis On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:10:18 -0600, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote: >> >> >> Well, remember the chap at U of Virginia was known to the mental >> >> >> health [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Dennis I wouldn't even have mentioned it if I hadn't worked for UVa. It's easy to get 'em confused, and besides UVa and Virginia Tech, there's VCU and VMI. -- Galen Hekhuis ghekhuis@earthlink.net Indecision may or may not be my problem... > On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:10:18 -0600, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" > <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote: <snip> > >No, it was just a mistake. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > easy to get 'em confused, and besides UVa and Virginia Tech, there's > VCU and VMI. I do appreciate the correction. Dennis > > Well, remember the chap at U of Virginia was known to the mental health > > folks, but by the state law, they could not do anything. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Makes perfect sense. When one of the family members, on hearing about the mall shooting thinks "gosh I hope it's not Robbie"...kind of makes you thunk they saw the warning signs. Good thing the unarmed mall cops were there. Dennis > When one of the family members, on hearing about the mall shooting thinks > "gosh I hope it's not Robbie"...kind of makes you thunk they saw the warning > signs. > > Good thing the unarmed mall cops were there. Yep. Might have been able to stop the shoplifting of a CD. > > When one of the family members, on hearing about the mall shooting thinks > > "gosh I hope it's not Robbie"...kind of makes you thunk they saw the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Might have been able to stop the shoplifting of a CD. Well, with various sites on the web, who needs to do that these days? ;-) Dennis > > > When one of the family members, on hearing about the mall shooting > thinks [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > Well, with various sites on the web, who needs to do that these days? ;-) Same people who think they need to shoot up a mall, kill innocent people, and then commit suicide. >> > Well, remember the chap at U of Virginia was known to the mental health >> > folks, but by the state law, they could not do anything. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Good thing the unarmed mall cops were there. Mall cops wearing skeery guns give -some- people the impression they're just ruckus-bent ruffians under the influence of the NRA Mind Control Ray. Signature"I don't know much about the different guns but based on the tv I watch there are lots of automatic weapons out there. In fact I'm sure they're in the majority, certainly in the handgun department. I guess my concern would be with the more easily concealed weapons capable of firing sustained bursts at extreme cycling rates." -JOF Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com > Mall cops wearing skeery guns give -some- people the impression they're > just ruckus-bent ruffians under the influence of the NRA Mind Control Ray. <cough> Hence the foil hats. On Dec 8, 7:43 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > Good thing the unarmed mall cops were there. > > Mall cops wearing skeery guns give -some- people the impression they're > just ruckus-bent ruffians under the influence of the NRA Mind Control Ray. But armed church security guards blend in real well at the Sunday sermon. On Dec 6, 7:11 pm, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote: > I could cook circles around the likes of you any day. This is true fact of the day, folks. I'm hungry. > On Dec 6, 7:11 pm, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I'm hungry. Made it home. Come on over, the smoker and the grill are going to be going all day. > "Jerome's Sock Puppet" <jerome.on...@gmail.com> wrote in > > Made it home. > > Come on over, the smoker and the grill are going to be going all day. I'm out of the country all week. I got a hawt date and then I have to do laundry. Woe is me! > > On Dec 6, 7:11 pm, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Come on over, the smoker and the grill are going to be going all day. Glad to hear you're ok. Tell Ade I sad hello! Dennis > your more a beer and burger man who only likes the bright yellow mustard > ? Actually, what you're probably remembering is JOF's recollection of when we met and had lunch... Hell, I'm the most civilized Neanderthal that I know... >> your more a beer and burger man who only likes the bright yellow mustard >> ? > > Actually, what you're probably remembering is JOF's recollection of when > we met and had lunch... Hell, I'm the most civilized Neanderthal that I > know... was a reference to it <snip> > what happen the equality of man All men are created equal... that doesn't mean they stay that way. > All men are created equal... that doesn't mean they stay that way. Yeah, bald, drooling, and incontinent... And we end up the same way... >>All men are created equal... that doesn't mean they stay that way. > > Yeah, bald, drooling, and incontinent... And we end up the same way... i've yet to start drooling >>>All men are created equal... that doesn't mean they stay that way. >> Yeah, bald, drooling, and incontinent... And we end up the same way... > i've yet to start drooling I still drool when I see something really worth drooling over, but only then. Only half bald, so far. Incontinent, that's another story. Some stain their fancy pants by the early sixties, I hope I'm history before I make that much of a mess....... > Incontinent, that's another story. Some stain their fancy pants by the > early sixties, I hope I'm history before I make that much of a mess....... Add another keyboard to your tab. >> Incontinent, that's another story. Some stain their fancy pants by the >> early sixties, I hope I'm history before I make that much of a >> mess....... > Add another keyboard to your tab. Does that mean I get the label "Me Too"? About time to pull the soapbox out from under the whole lot of them. Curtis > >> Incontinent, that's another story. Some stain their fancy pants by the > >> early sixties, I hope I'm history before I make that much of a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Does that mean I get the label "Me Too"? Gawd, I hope so. > About time to pull the soapbox out from under the whole lot of them. I cleared my killfile. I have a couple days off, the roads cleared and I am home. And, best of all, I am sick of their sh.t. Plus, We are kicking the sh.t out of the ragheads, in spite of the best efforts of the morons to make Us lose this war. Must suck to impotent at such an early age. > i've yet to start drooling Don't you mean "start back drooling"? Give it time... It's one of those constants in life if we manage to live long enough... In article <08df2cbb-0d6e-4705-956f- 93dce1257dda@j44g2000hsj.googlegroups.com>, pugetsounddiver@gmail.com says... -On Dec 6, 5:26 pm, JOF <jofran...@gmail.com> wrote: -No one is trying to ram anything down your throat or anyone elses for -the thousandth time, you stupid, bullshit projecting, whirling -dervish, lying sack of sh.t. - -DONT OWN A GUN! - - -YOU are the one obsessed with discussing this topic here on rec.scuba -at every turn because you think it makes you look mature and smart, -and it gives you the chance to sling what you think is clever insult. -Reality is that you are simply a senile old coward, a stuck up, holier -than thou idiot that cant comprehend the simplest of facts, realities -or truths, but too much of a f.cking punk to be a bully in real life. -You sling idiocy, fabrications and lies like water and you get pounded -for it at every turn, then on comes the arm circling and twisting. -. wonderful. Scott you really have a way with words. jof's performance here is so assinine that it is hard to describe. I tried, but I think you came closer. If he could see himself as we see him here, as he farts around on the stage here at rec.scuba, he would be so embarrassed that he would disappear and never be heard of again. our bad news is that he is so much dumber than even we think, that he will never catch on. He is somewhere south of a cartoon loser. - - - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net > wonderful. Scott you really have a way with words. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > that he will never catch on. > He is somewhere south of a cartoon loser. I don't even care if he catches on or not, he just needs to stop beaking off *here* on a subject he can never have the smallest effect on, and is patently unable to understand the smallest decimal of a fraction of the issues. He is like a non-stop flicker pecking away at the eaves; You could shoot it in the head, but you'd likely only get feathers. >>>>You make the assumption that the majority of US citizens want guns >>>>removed. That's not the truth. It is, in fact, just the opposite. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Kind of a fixed poll, isn't it? Perhaps it is. But it goes to demonstrate the fallacy in your arguments regarding peoples attitudes and firearm ownership. > Here's the language of the Second - > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free > State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be > infringed." I've read it. > What other meaning could possibly be taken from those words? But just > because the folks who responded were bright enuf to comprehend what [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > sympathies lie, isn't it. Ask the honest question. See what answer you > get to that. GO ahead, find a poll that supports your argument. > Instead of "Does the second amendment give individuals the right to > bear arms?" ask something like "Should there be stricter controls on > availability of certain kinds of guns?" or "Should there be more > stringent standards imposed for possession of guns?" or "Should the > penalties for illegal use of a firearm be increased?" and so on. If your wish were indeed the case, then there might have been a continuation of the AWB. Instead, the politicians let it die because they wanted to be reelected. Many folks feel that the AWB led to the republicans getting the majority after it was passed. They may be right, they may be wrong. There were many reasons for the dissatisfaction, but this may be art of it. A significant part. > That question falls into the same cheesy category as the one that asks > "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" An honest answer will only [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > whole pro-gun push if they have to rely on cheap parlour tricks to > create an illusion of right. Again please feel free to provide a cite to a poll which supports your point. > It's like the question Scott posted earlier, trying to ride the > coattails of a legitimate poll with a trick question in hopes that no > one here was smart enuf to pick up on his artifice. His gullibility > speaks volumes about why the progunners keep shooting themselves in > the foot when they try to jam their personal agenda down others' > throats. As opposed to you shoving your agenda down ours? I'll gladly drop this if you will stop posting BS and opinion here. I only respond because you post twisted facts and innuendo and opinion as fact. You stop, I will. While you are entitled to your opinion, you are not entitled to misrepresent facts. You can make this al go away. Just stop. Your call. > JF Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American. ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >I'll gladly drop this if you will stop posting BS and opinion here. I >only respond because you post twisted facts and innuendo and opinion as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Your call. Ok. I won't start the next gun thread. JF >>I'll gladly drop this if you will stop posting BS and opinion here. I >>only respond because you post twisted facts and innuendo and opinion as [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > JF Or keep your mouth shut, as it were, if another pops up. Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American. ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >>>I'll gladly drop this if you will stop posting BS and opinion here. I >>>only respond because you post twisted facts and innuendo and opinion as [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Or keep your mouth shut, as it were, if another pops up. Now why would one just pop up, as it were, unless someone wanted to go on about it? Is this perhaps an admission that I'm right about some of you pushing your progun agenda on the rest of us? JF > Now why would one just pop up, as it were, unless someone wanted to go > on about it? Is this perhaps an admission that I'm right about some of > you pushing your progun agenda on the rest of us? None of Us are ever going to admit you are right about anything as guns are concerned, you dug your hole way too deep for that to ever happen. It's not an agenda, dumb-a.s, it's the defensive position cowards like you put Us in when you attack our rights and freedoms with all the stupidity you can muster. In article <b21b9c73-c626-445e-94da-7f3827e475e0 @y43g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, pugetsounddiver@gmail.com says... -On Dec 6, 7:00 pm, JOF <jofran...@gmail.com> wrote: - -> Now why would one just pop up, as it were, unless someone wanted to go -> on about it? Is this perhaps an admission that I'm right about some of -> you pushing your progun agenda on the rest of us? - -None of Us are ever going to admit you are right about anything as -guns are concerned, you dug your hole way too deep for that to ever -happen. - -It's not an agenda, dumb-a.s, it's the defensive position cowards like -you put Us in when you attack our rights and freedoms with all the -stupidity you can muster. and what absolutely boggles the mind, is that after all the illogical unfounded rambling 'tv says it, so it must be true' thoughtless uncomprehending driveling that jof does, he actually thinks that it makes sense and that he is smart. that has to be the joke of the year, maybe even the decade. he neither understands what he says, or what anyone else says. - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net > In article <b21b9c73-c626-445e-94da-7f3827e475e0 > @y43g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com says... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > that has to be the joke of the year, maybe even the decade. You mean I won the coveted Joke of the Day Award. I owe all my success here to my friends, my mama, my tropical fish Alvin and my stuffed cat, Elvis. JF > and what absolutely boggles the mind, is that after all the illogical > unfounded rambling 'tv says it, so it must be true' thoughtless [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > he neither understands what he says, or what anyone else says. The intellectual depth of a soaked leather jacket, with slacks. >>>>I'll gladly drop this if you will stop posting BS and opinion here. I >>>>only respond because you post twisted facts and innuendo and opinion as [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > JF Or, perhaps, merely a topic f conversation. Perhaps your perception of being pushed upon you is a manifestation of your illogical fear and loathing of firearms Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American. ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >>>Or keep your mouth shut, as it were, if another pops up. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >being pushed upon you is a manifestation of your illogical fear and >loathing of firearms So yer all for intelligent debate as long as everyone agrees with you? JF > So yer all for intelligent debate as long as everyone agrees with you? Hilarious. >>>>Or keep your mouth shut, as it were, if another pops up. >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > JF actually, I'm all for intelligent conversation. Yours hasn't been either intelligent or logical lately. If it were, much like it was in the past, you'd not be so disrespected. On the one hand, you ask that everyone consider your viewpoint. Would that you could do the same. Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American. ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 > >>>You make the assumption that the majority of US citizens want guns > >>>removed. That's not the truth. It is, in fact, just the opposite. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > stringent standards imposed for possession of guns?" or "Should the > penalties for illegal use of a firearm be increased?" and so on. "More stringent standards" would run afoul of the clearly written 2nd amendment. You'll find that the penalties for most crimes are increased if firearms are used to commit them. > That question falls into the same cheesy category as the one that asks > "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" An honest answer will only [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > whole pro-gun push if they have to rely on cheap parlour tricks to > create an illusion of right. So in your view, an honest answer means nothing......ok...I'm getting more insight into how you think, John, and it's rather sad. > It's like the question Scott posted earlier, trying to ride the > coattails of a legitimate poll with a trick question in hopes that no > one here was smart enuf to pick up on his artifice. His gullibility > speaks volumes about why the progunners keep shooting themselves in > the foot when they try to jam their personal agenda down others' > throats. What dd you think of eeo's question? Dennis On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:47:36 -0600, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote: >So in your view, an honest answer means nothing...... Only if it's wrong. Honesty is commendable, but paired with stupidity you just have an honest stupid person. >ok...I'm getting more >insight into how you think, John, and it's rather sad. That it took you so long to get it? >> It's like the question Scott posted earlier, trying to ride the >> coattails of a legitimate poll with a trick question in hopes that no [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >What dd you think of eeo's question? I think it was sarcasm dressed up as irony. Or vice versa. He knew his poll was contrived and wasn't trying to slick anyone with it. I'm not sure that Scott even realized the self-serving language in his. That kind of fix is second nature to some of you in yer progun arguments. JF > I think it was sarcasm dressed up as irony. Or vice versa. He knew his > poll was contrived and wasn't trying to slick anyone with it. I'm not > sure that Scott even realized the self-serving language in his. That > kind of fix is second nature to some of you in yer progun arguments. > > JF Your poll is pure bullshit and you and everyone here knows it. My poll was pure trolling for you idiots, and like the big-mouthed bass you are, you hit the lure like a shot. Just like you couldnt wait to wade into another America slamming fest started by the Pomme, then you want to whine about people not being nice to you. Tell me, John, your so f.cking smart; How many people are diving gear you designed and/or build? Ever make *anything*, other than an a.s of yourself over the America and gun owner bashing? >> I think it was sarcasm dressed up as irony. Or vice versa. He knew his >> poll was contrived and wasn't trying to slick anyone with it. I'm not [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >How many people are diving gear you designed and/or build? Is that the only measure of a man? I've always said you're a talented guy when it comes to making dive bits, and apparently you do some gun stuff as well. It's too bad you don't have the business acumen to match your creative abilities. You'd probably be wealthy today. >Ever make *anything*, other than an a.s of yourself over the America >and gun owner bashing? Not much except for a reasonably successful career that's lasted over 32 years. A marriage that's lasted almost 40 years and is still going strong. A good relationship with our son and with my Mom and my siblings. A degree of respect from my professional peers. I can't say I did any of these single handedly but I was involved in building and running a few race cars, a couple of street rods, a few motorcycles & snowmobiles but nothing as exciting as your backplates. All important things to me though. Your values may differ. I admit I envy guys like you who learned a trade instead of just going to school and reading a lot. One of the most impressive constructs I ever witnessed personally was a half scale working Harley v-twin built by a machinist friend of mine. Your plates are nice but they don't come close to that engine. JF > I admit I envy guys like you who learned a trade instead of just > going to school and reading a lot. One of the most impressive > constructs I ever witnessed personally was a half scale working Harley > v-twin built by a machinist friend of mine. Your plates are nice but > they don't come close to that engine. You have no idea the things I design and build, including engines. And the backplate I *gave* you before to shanked me and several others here. I feel for your wife. 40 years with a milksop like you would be a prison term. > Your plates are nice but they don't come close to that engine. Haha. HAHAHAH!!!! BWaaaahhhahaha... Heh... / Got the plates // Seen the engines /// And the other stuff >> Your plates are nice but they don't come close to that engine. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >// Seen the engines >/// And the other stuff Then you'll know exactly where that engine ended up when the American feller payed enuf to discharge the fabricator's mortgage, huh? Sounds like horse puckies to me, but whatever floats yer boat, dude. You fit right into the peanut gallery. JF > Then you'll know exactly where that engine ended up when the American > feller payed enuf to discharge the fabricator's mortgage, huh? Sounds > like horse puckies to me, but whatever floats yer boat, dude. You fit > right into the peanut gallery. I know one guy that's ever fabricated parts for a MotoGP class motorcycle. You are not he. Scott is. > > Then you'll know exactly where that engine ended up when the American > > feller payed enuf to discharge the fabricator's mortgage, huh? Sounds > > like horse puckies to me, but whatever floats yer boat, dude. You fit > > right into the peanut gallery. > I know one guy that's ever fabricated parts for a MotoGP class > motorcycle. > You are not he. > Scott is. Thanks for the back-up brudda, but I am afraid it is a waste of time trying to educate this one. Plus, I prefer that he keep running his suck from his fortified bunker of ignorance and bigotry, he wears it like a pair of expensive slacks. > "Jerome's Sock Puppet" <jerome.on...@gmail.com> wrote in > Thanks for the back-up brudda, but I am afraid it is a waste of time trying > to educate this one. > > Plus, I prefer that he keep running his suck from his fortified bunker of > ignorance and bigotry, he wears it like a pair of expensive slacks. Yeah, well, until he cooks me dinner, you're still the better chef, too. > > "Jerome's Sock Puppet" <jerome.on...@gmail.com> wrote in > > Thanks for the back-up brudda, but I am afraid it is a waste of time trying > > to educate this one. > > Plus, I prefer that he keep running his suck from his fortified bunker of > > ignorance and bigotry, he wears it like a pair of expensive slacks. > Yeah, well, until he cooks me dinner, you're still the better chef, > too. I know; sucks doesn't it? You are bummed. Pete was here, last night we had center cut sirloins and potatoes off the grill, and there is a pot of beef stew in the crock that is driving the dogs nuts. One of the guys at the local hatchery gave me a couple 15# rainbows for the smoker, I still have smoked King in the freezer, and when it comes to beer; http://www.washingtonbrewersguild.org/who_members.htm And that isn't all of them. > "Jerome's Sock Puppet" <jerome.on...@gmail.com> wrote in > I know; sucks doesn't it? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > One of the guys at the local hatchery gave me a couple 15# rainbows for the > smoker, I still have smoked King in the freezer, and when it comes to beer; I am in fact, bummed. My consolation prize is a pretty girl made me chocolate chip cookies. So I got that going for me. > I am in fact, bummed. My consolation prize is a pretty girl made me > chocolate chip cookies. So I got that going for me. Come on, I was just starting to get all puffed up here. That beats beef and rainbows all to sh.t. I have a pretty girl with a functioning cerebrum and cerebellum with me all the time and that, as you know, is priceless. Plus, ya fag, look where you are getting to go soon. You earned it man, and I hope your trips are everything you want them to be. You *are* taking a camera with you, right? SignatureHeb 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. > > I am in fact, bummed. My consolation prize is a pretty girl made me > > chocolate chip cookies. So I got that going for me. > > Come on, I was just starting to get all puffed up here. > > That beats beef and rainbows all to sh.t. Normally, yeah, but her husband is a friend of mine, so I'm just taking consolation in the cookies. ;) > I have a pretty girl with a functioning cerebrum and cerebellum with me all > the time and that, as you know, is priceless. Indeed. > Plus, ya fag, look where you are getting to go soon. > > You earned it man, and I hope your trips are everything you want them to be. > > You *are* taking a camera with you, right? Yup. And it just occurred to me that my sinuses have cleared for the first time in two months. I may pack a backplate and see what the water in the Irish channel looks like. Better go dig up that C card. It might come in handy after all these years. And as if that doesn't suck enough, I have to go back in January. > > "Jerome's Sock Puppet" <jerome.on...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:cc8cef99-2ef2-4a36-bcfd-91819670eecb@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.co m... > > > I am in fact, bummed. My consolation prize is a pretty girl made me > > > chocolate chip cookies. So I got that going for me. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > And as if that doesn't suck enough, I have to go back in January. What an a.shole. |
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