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Scuba Forum / General / January 2004Well, I'm back! 50 dives in a span of 19 days
Well, I'm back from my Australia diving holiday. I went to Australia with only 4 dives. Over a span of 19 days, I completed another 50, giving me 54 total (and completed the advanced course). I learned a boatload and I'm convinced that I advanced a lot more as a diver than I would have if I completed those same 50 dives over a span of 2 years or something along those lines. Anyway, it was a great time. I'm glad I bought my own gear and took it along, that's for sure. Cheers! -sw > Well, I'm back from my Australia diving holiday. I went to Australia > with only 4 dives. Over a span of 19 days, I completed another 50, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cheers! > -sw Lucky bugger! Congrats!  SignatureMichael Wolf ------------ Cthulhu for President! Why settle for the lesser evil? remove stopspam to reply > Well, I'm back from my Australia diving holiday. I went to Australia with > only 4 dives. Over a span of 19 days, I completed another 50, giving me 54 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cheers! > -sw Good for you, that's grand. > Well, I'm back from my Australia diving holiday. I went to Australia with > only 4 dives. Over a span of 19 days, I completed another 50, giving me 54 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > those lines. Anyway, it was a great time. I'm glad I bought my own gear > and took it along, that's for sure. Welcome back! Last year I was in Cairns, took the Supersport for 3 days, then Spoilsport out of Townsville for 7 days. Awesome diving. Where'd you dive? Dennis > Cheers! > -sw > Welcome back! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Where'd you dive? Ocean Pro out of Airlie Beach, 3 days (10 dives) Sea Esta out of Townsville, 3 days (10 dives) Spoilsport out of Townsville, 3 days (22 dives) ScubaPro out of Cairns, 3 days (8 dives) It was all good but ScubaPro - that one was a complete waste of money. I'll go into more details in my trip report, soon to be completed. (: > > Welcome back! > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > It was all good but ScubaPro - that one was a complete waste of money. > I'll go into more details in my trip report, soon to be completed. (: Ahh...Spoilsport. Bringing back lots of fond memories. 3 days or 7 days on Spoilsport? Was Marie still the videographer? Manage to get out to Yongala? After I got ack, I tried to convince mangement at my company to let me telecommute from Spoilsport, but they didn't go for it. Dennis > Ahh...Spoilsport. Bringing back lots of fond memories. > 3 days or 7 days on Spoilsport? 7 days. I didn't know they did 3. (: > Was Marie still the videographer? I dunno - I'm bad with names and I didn't talk much with the staff anyway. > Manage to get out to Yongala? Yeah - twice, on two different boat trips. Did a total of 8 or 9 dives out there. (: > After I got ack, I tried to convince mangement at my company to let me > telecommute from Spoilsport, but they didn't go for it. Given the high costs, go figure. (: > Well, I'm back from my Australia diving holiday. I went to Australia with > only 4 dives. Over a span of 19 days, I completed another 50, giving me 54 > total (and completed the advanced course). I learned a boatload and I'm > convinced that I advanced a lot more as a diver than I would have if I > completed those same 50 dives over a span of 2 years or something along > those lines. Wow! Not to mention that now you're qualified to take the DM course! Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > Wow! Not to mention that now you're qualified to take the DM course! I thought you had to have the rescue course first? No desire to take the DM course anyway. (: ultramafic@cluemail.com (Steve Wilbur) pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Well, I'm back from my Australia diving holiday. I went to Australia with :only 4 dives. Over a span of 19 days, I completed another 50, giving me 54 :total Sounds like fun. Did you see any fish? Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > ultramafic@cluemail.com (Steve Wilbur) pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sounds like fun. Did you see any fish? I saw 6. All yellow ones though. >Over a span of 19 days, I completed another 50, giving me 54 >total (and completed the advanced course). I learned a boatload and I'm >convinced that I advanced a lot more as a diver than I would have if I >completed those same 50 dives over a span of 2 years or somethin What'd you learn? > >Over a span of 19 days, I completed another 50, giving me 54 > >total (and completed the advanced course). I learned a boatload and I'm > >convinced that I advanced a lot more as a diver than I would have if I > >completed those same 50 dives over a span of 2 years or somethin > > What'd you learn? Pretty much everything one would expect to learn after 50 dives. > > What'd you learn? > > Pretty much everything one would expect to learn after 50 dives. Well, perhaps Jammer wasn't that hard on you afterall. > Well, perhaps Jammer wasn't that hard on you afterall. eh? > > Well, perhaps Jammer wasn't that hard on you afterall. > > eh? I guess in your whole 3 months and 39 posts to rec.scuba that you havn't figured out what Jammer was really telling you earlier in this thread. Chris > I guess in your whole 3 months and 39 posts to rec.scuba that you havn't > figured out what Jammer was really telling you earlier in this thread. No idea. But then, I don't keep track of how many posts I've made here either. >> Well, perhaps Jammer wasn't that hard on you afterall. > >eh? 10 dives in 50 degree water with a 2kt current and 10ft of surge and the boat slipping anchor will teach you more than 100 dives in a tropical paradise. --- Rich http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ > 10 dives in 50 degree water with a 2kt current and 10ft of surge and > the boat slipping anchor will teach you more than 100 dives in a > tropical paradise. Perhaps so - but since that's not an opportunity I have at the moment, I'll just have to imagine. On the other hand, 50 degree water sounds like paradise to me as well. I did my certification here in Alaska, with icy/slushy ocean water which was just above freezing, a drysuit that worked just perfectly, and more than 50 lbs of lead. I learned tons, which will come in handy as I continue to dive in such conditions in Alaska. > icy/slushy ocean water which was just above freezing, a drysuit that > worked just perfectly, and more than 50 lbs of lead. I learned tons, which > will come in handy as I continue to dive in such conditions in Alaska. 50 pounds of lead?!?!? Geezus. Kimber SignatureI love this bar It's my kind of place Just walkin' through the front door Puts a big smile on my face It ain't too far, come as you are Hmm, hmm, hmm I love this bar > > icy/slushy ocean water which was just above freezing, a drysuit that > > worked just perfectly, and more than 50 lbs of lead. I learned tons, which > > will come in handy as I continue to dive in such conditions in Alaska. > > 50 pounds of lead?!?!? Geezus. You beat me to it. That's exactly what I thought. Sounds like the only thing the guy learned was how to be an anchor. Brian Edmonton, Alberta www.mossmanscubaventures.com > > 50 pounds of lead?!?!? Geezus. > > You beat me to it. That's exactly what I thought. Sounds like the only > thing the guy learned was how to be an anchor. Exactly -- but he has 50 dives now and probably thinks of himself as an expert. Kimber SignatureI love this bar It's my kind of place Just walkin' through the front door Puts a big smile on my face It ain't too far, come as you are Hmm, hmm, hmm I love this bar > > icy/slushy ocean water which was just above freezing, a drysuit that > > worked just perfectly, and more than 50 lbs of lead. I learned tons, which > > will come in handy as I continue to dive in such conditions in Alaska. > > 50 pounds of lead?!?!? Geezus. I was thinking pretty much the same thing and I don't know anything about dry-suits. > Kimber "Chris Guynn" <chrisguynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> wrote in message news:rgHIb.1373> > 50 pounds of lead?!?!? Geezus. > I was thinking pretty much the same thing and I don't know anything about > dry-suits. Even with a drysuit -- 50# is excessive and I don't care how big or what his body composition is. I am willing to bet my prissy pink BP that he is way overweighted. Kimber SignatureI love this bar It's my kind of place Just walkin' through the front door Puts a big smile on my face It ain't too far, come as you are Hmm, hmm, hmm I love this bar > Even with a drysuit -- 50# is excessive and I don't care how big or what his > body composition is. I am willing to bet my prissy pink BP that he is way > overweighted. > > Kimber I don't know anything about drysuits either - in fact today's dive was in 2 pc 7 mm wetsuit and my new backplate/wing/single LP80, and I was overweighted. Besides the bp I had on 13 lbs - because I had been using a total 19 lbs with the rental jacket bc/steel 72. However on the advice of someone more experienced than me I'm dropping another 5 lbs and tomorrow's dive will be with 8 lbs on the belt. 50 lbs sounds way excessive to me. (Not to mention that would be approximately 50% of my entire body weight) But still -- 50 lbs??? Where would he wear it all? > I don't know anything about drysuits either - in fact today's dive was in 2 > pc 7 mm wetsuit and my new backplate/wing/single LP80, and I was > overweighted. We have a hundred dollars down. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > I don't know anything about drysuits either - in fact today's dive was in 2 Well -- I do know about drysuits and still say dude was grossly overweighted. > pc 7 mm wetsuit and my new backplate/wing/single LP80, and I was > overweighted. Besides the bp I had on 13 lbs - because I had been using a > total 19 lbs with the rental jacket bc/steel 72. However on the advice of > someone more experienced than me I'm dropping another 5 lbs and tomorrow's > dive will be with 8 lbs on the belt. 50 lbs sounds way excessive to me. > (Not to mention that would be approximately 50% of my entire body weight) Let us know how it goes. Good onya for trying to find the proper weighting. Where do you dive? > But still -- 50 lbs??? Where would he wear it all? I would imagine if somebody was putting 50# on a diver that he would be big around thus the logistics wouldn't be so difficult. Kimber SignatureIt is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. Andre Gide > "Chris Guynn" <chrisguynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> wrote in message > news:rgHIb.1373> > 50 pounds of lead?!?!? Geezus. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > body composition is. I am willing to bet my prissy pink BP that he is way > overweighted. Hmmm... I'd be willing to bet your prissy pink BP that he is overweighted too... :-) > Kimber >> > icy/slushy ocean water which was just above freezing, a drysuit that >> > worked just perfectly, and more than 50 lbs of lead. I learned tons, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I was thinking pretty much the same thing and I don't know anything about >dry-suits. Here's my perspective. 5mm fullsuit w 5mm hooded vest = 34 lbs 3mm fullsuit = 24 lbs TLS350, Bare Polar Extreme = 34 lbs Oh... the 5mm and 3mm weight are with an AL80. The TLS350 weight is with an HP120, so adjust the TLS weight down by about 3-4 pounds for a fair comparison. --- Rich http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ > >> > icy/slushy ocean water which was just above freezing, a drysuit that > >> > worked just perfectly, and more than 50 lbs of lead. I learned tons, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > --- Rich > http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ For me... 5mm longjohn pants + 5mm hodded jacket = 13Kg 5mm longjohn pants = 8Kg Both with AL80 rhys rnf2 schrieb: > 5mm longjohn pants + 5mm hodded jacket = 13Kg > 5mm longjohn pants = 8Kg > > Both with AL80 > > rhys OMG, What are you metabolizing ;-)? Matthias PS: Perhaps time to rearrange breathing patterns ? > rnf2 schrieb: > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > PS: Perhaps time to rearrange breathing patterns ? I'm 175cm tall and weigh 90Kg... A fair bit of subcutaneous adipose tissue, But I don't look overweight, Big bones and big frame. As to metabolisim, someone was talking about a 7mm semidry for waters 13*C+ and drysuit below that, I'm quite comfortable in my 5mm 2-piece at 12*C for over 40 minutes. rhys "Kimber" <k@tekdivegirl.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :50 pounds of lead?!?!? Geezus. There's those DIR guys again thinking that whatever applies to them must apply to everyone. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ "Dan Bracuk, CTHD" <NOTbracuk@pathcom.com> wrote in message > :50 pounds of lead?!?!? Geezus. > > There's those DIR guys again thinking that whatever applies to them > must apply to everyone. <looking around the house> Hrmmm -- I don't see any DIR guys around here. Team 3 all the way baybeee... Kimber SignatureI love this bar It's my kind of place Just walkin' through the front door Puts a big smile on my face It ain't too far, come as you are Hmm, hmm, hmm I love this bar > "Kimber" <k@tekdivegirl.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting > in: > :50 pounds of lead?!?!? Geezus. > > There's those DIR guys again thinking that whatever applies to them > must apply to everyone. Since when am I DIR? > > icy/slushy ocean water which was just above freezing, a drysuit that > > worked just perfectly, and more than 50 lbs of lead. I learned tons, which > > will come in handy as I continue to dive in such conditions in Alaska. > > 50 pounds of lead?!?!? Geezus. Yeah, it sucked, but it was the only way I could sink in that thing. I felt like a slow-moving underwater bus down there. (: > Yeah, it sucked, but it was the only way I could sink in that thing. I > felt like a slow-moving underwater bus down there. (: HINT: You don't have to inflate the drysuit to the point that you look like the Michelin Man... > > Yeah, it sucked, but it was the only way I could sink in that thing. I > > felt like a slow-moving underwater bus down there. (: > > HINT: You don't have to inflate the drysuit to the point that you look like > the Michelin Man... I don't think the mitchelin man would need 50 lb rhys "Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:ahNIb.21752 > > Yeah, it sucked, but it was the only way I could sink in that thing. I > > felt like a slow-moving underwater bus down there. (: > > HINT: You don't have to inflate the drysuit to the point that you look like > the Michelin Man... Heh -- he was probably taught to use his drysuit for buoyancy -- and with 50# of weight he would have had no choice but to inflate like the Michelin Man to stay off the bottom. Kimber > Heh -- he was probably taught to use his drysuit for buoyancy -- and with > 50# of weight he would have had no choice but to inflate like the Michelin > Man to stay off the bottom. Well, he did mention that it was ice water, so perhaps he was so cold natured that he was wearing an extreme amount of drysuit undies... Maybe a snowmobile suit, heavy down ski jacket, ski pants, etc... Personally, I wouldn't know since the only times I have ever ended up in the water when there was ice in it was when I was duck hunting and that was *many* years ago -- nothing like a set of chest waders full of ice water to really wake you up... "Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :HINT: You don't have to inflate the drysuit to the point that you look like :the Michelin Man... Hint - the only person who really knows is the one who was there. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ >"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> pounded >away at his keyboard resulting in: >:HINT: You don't have to inflate the drysuit to the point that you look like >:the Michelin Man... > >Hint - the only person who really knows is the one who was there. And possibly (likely) not even him. > HINT: You don't have to inflate the drysuit to the point that you look like > the Michelin Man... HINT: I had almost no air in the drysuit. > > HINT: You don't have to inflate the drysuit to the point that you look like > > the Michelin Man... > > HINT: I had almost no air in the drysuit. Ok, I know I said I would post no more to this thread [too frustrating] but I found this, and had to point it out http://www3.sympatico.ca/gary.nancy/gallery/mich.html -- Mike Bradley http://gzen.myhq.info -- free online php tools > > 50 pounds of lead?!?!? Geezus. > > Yeah, it sucked, but it was the only way I could sink in that thing. I > felt like a slow-moving underwater bus down there. (: I do not know your body composition and size -- but 50 pounds is excessive in about any situation I can think of. No wonder you felt like a bus -- you were one. Kimber "Kimber" <k@tekdivegirl.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :I do not know your body composition and size so you have no idea how much lead he needs. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ "Dan Bracuk, CTHD" <NOTbracuk@pathcom.com> wrote in message > :I do not know your body composition and size > > so you have no idea how much lead he needs. OP would have to be enormous to need that much weight. I know some big divers and they don't use nearly that much The average new diver is usually grossly over weighted in what I have seen. Maybe your experience differs. Kimber > > 10 dives in 50 degree water with a 2kt current and 10ft of surge and > > the boat slipping anchor will teach you more than 100 dives in a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > worked just perfectly, and more than 50 lbs of lead. I learned tons, which > will come in handy as I continue to dive in such conditions in Alaska. 50+lbs? You must look like the stay puff marshmallow man at depth. Chris > Perhaps so - but since that's not an opportunity I have at the moment, > I'll just have to imagine. On the other hand, 50 degree water sounds like > paradise to me as well. I did my certification here in Alaska, with > icy/slushy ocean water which was just above freezing, a drysuit that > worked just perfectly, and more than 50 lbs of lead. I learned tons, which > will come in handy as I continue to dive in such conditions in Alaska. 50lbs of lead? Ok, I am not even going to bother replying to any further posts, you should learn BOUYENCY CONTROL! enough said. I will post no more on this thread -- Mike Bradley > 50lbs of lead? > Ok, I am not even going to bother replying to any further posts, you should > learn BOUYENCY CONTROL! Watch it --- you are going to be labeled a DIR twat for saying that! (-; Kimber >Perhaps so - but since that's not an opportunity I have at the moment, >I'll just have to imagine. On the other hand, 50 degree water sounds like >paradise to me as well. I did my certification here in Alaska, with >icy/slushy ocean water which was just above freezing, a drysuit that >worked just perfectly, and more than 50 lbs of lead. I learned tons, which >will come in handy as I continue to dive in such conditions in Alaska. Excellent. Curious as to how much you were able to reduce your required weight during the vacation? I'd guess that you were able to drop quite a bit. Reason I mention that is that 50lbs seems very excessive. Most people think I'm overweighted with a total of about 32-34 pounds (also drysuit). --- Rich http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ > Curious as to how much you were able to reduce your required weight > during the vacation? I'd guess that you were able to drop quite a > bit. Well, let me go look at my book again....ok, dive #5 (#1 in Australia) was 12kg. Dive #54 (#50 in Australia) was 7.5kg, using the same equipment (except for tank and weights). For what it's worth, the BCD has weight pockets, so no belt in either case. >> Curious as to how much you were able to reduce your required weight >> during the vacation? I'd guess that you were able to drop quite a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >(except for tank and weights). For what it's worth, the BCD has weight >pockets, so no belt in either case. Cool... so you were able to drop about 5kg/10 pounds. That's great. Now try the drysuit again with 40 pounds and I bet you'll find that you're still heavy at the end of the dive. --- Rich http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ > >> Well, perhaps Jammer wasn't that hard on you afterall. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the boat slipping anchor will teach you more than 100 dives in a > tropical paradise. I'd rather be ignorant thanks... :-) > --- Rich > http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ Rich Lockyer <rlockyer@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :10 dives in 50 degree water with a 2kt current and 10ft of surge and :the boat slipping anchor will teach you more than 100 dives in a :tropical paradise. 1 dive like that would teach me not to do the other 9. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > Rich Lockyer <rlockyer@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> pounded away at his > keyboard resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > 1 dive like that would teach me not to do the other 9. It's amazing what some people do for recreation. > 10 dives in 50 degree water with a 2kt current and 10ft of surge and > the boat slipping anchor will teach you more than 100 dives in a > tropical paradise. Yeah, it'll teach you to do your next dives in Cozumel... <grin> http://gzen.myhq.info -- free online php tools > > >Over a span of 19 days, I completed another 50, giving me 54 > > >total (and completed the advanced course). I learned a boatload and I'm > > >convinced that I advanced a lot more as a diver than I would have if I > > >completed those same 50 dives over a span of 2 years or somethin Have you rescued someone who has passed out in 70ft of water? I think its cool that you have done 50 dives, but number of dives is by no means idicitive of experience. Neither is several years of diving (although you tend to pick things up in several years) Experience comes from doing, encountering, and learning, 50 dives in 19 days is so rapid paced, you do not get a chance to learn, I so hope you do not think you are a seasoned diver. Again, kudos for getting the chance to dive alot. What have you learned about nitrogen buildup on 2 divers per day in 19 days? -- Mike Bradley > Have you rescued someone who has passed out in 70ft of water? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > alot. What have you learned about nitrogen buildup on 2 divers per day in > 19 days? You know - you guys can take the most innoculous of happy comments and turn it into some big meaningless argument. I never claimed to have much experience, or even hinted at it. All I said, starting this thread, was that I just got back from a great diving trip in Australia where I completed 50 dives, which happened to be over a span of 19 days. The emphasis there being that I had a lot of fun doing a concentrated amount of diving in a short period of time, thereby making the most of my opportunity while I was there - and I really enjoyed it. And the response is just so negative from you people. I dunno why, or what you get out of being so negative, but hey, more power to you I guess. Yes, all of you are simply infinitely superior to anything I could ever hope to be. All hail to the infinitely superior, knowledgeable, and expert divers on this group. Now get over it. Jezz... > In article <t7SIb.4960$S67.4005@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>, > You know - you guys can take the most innoculous of happy comments and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > to the infinitely superior, knowledgeable, and expert divers on this > group. Now get over it. Jezz... Well, as I had said, I gave you kudos for being able to have th opportunity to do the dives, however, I don't think people are being negative to this fact, I think it is more geared towards this, and I quote your earlier post: > What'd you learn? "Pretty much everything one would expect to learn after 50 dives." Sounded kinda arrogant, perhaps missunderstood? but I think thats what they were atacking, also the 50lbs of lead you carried, my boat anchor doesn't even way that much, and I have a 30ft carver sport fisher. -- Mike Bradley http://gzen.myhq.info -- free online php tools > > What'd you learn? > "Pretty much everything one would expect to learn after 50 dives." > > Sounded kinda arrogant, perhaps missunderstood? but I think thats what they > were atacking That was a plain response to someone who was obviously looking to start an argument. It was clear to me that the poster had no interest in what I did or did not learn, and merely wanted a response to pick apart. I tried to be as generic as possible, having no desire to try to take the time to explain everything I learned (and it was a lot), knowing full well that no matter what I said, it would be ripped to shreads. Ah yes, the power of the internet. > That was a plain response to someone who was obviously looking to start an > argument. It was clear to me that the poster had no interest in what I did > or did not learn, and merely wanted a response to pick apart. I tried to > be as generic as possible, having no desire to try to take the time to > explain everything I learned (and it was a lot), knowing full well that no > matter what I said, it would be ripped to shreads. Christ can you possibly whine any more about this? Grow a spine while you try to thicken up that skin. If somebody asks what you learned -- maybe they are genuinely curious. Maybe it is a good topic of SCUBA discussion that the whiners like you always say we don't have enough of here. Kimber SignatureIt is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. Andre Gide > If somebody asks what you learned -- maybe they are genuinely curious. > Maybe it is a good topic of SCUBA discussion that the whiners like you > always say we don't have enough of here. Unlikely. > > If somebody asks what you learned -- maybe they are genuinely curious. > > Maybe it is a good topic of SCUBA discussion that the whiners like you > > always say we don't have enough of here. > > Unlikely. Or likely. To summarize from what y'wrote in another post: * dealing with strong currents * dealing with surge * dealing with low-vis conditions * better bouyancy control Dennis ultramafic@cluemail.com (Steve Wilbur) pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :That was a plain response to someone who was obviously looking to start an :argument. It was clear to me that the poster had no interest in what I did :or did not learn, and merely wanted a response to pick apart. That particular post was in response to the original post which included the phrase, "I learned a boatload", did it not? I wonder what other interpretations were available. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > That particular post was in response to the original post which > included the phrase, "I learned a boatload", did it not? Learned a boatload...I was on liveaboard diving trips...boatload... ah well. > Learned a boatload...I was on liveaboard diving trips...boatload... ah well. Have you got your hardcase yet? Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 ultramafic@cluemail.com (Steve Wilbur) pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: : I tried to :be as generic as possible, having no desire to try to take the time to :explain everything I learned (and it was a lot), knowing full well that no :matter what I said, it would be ripped to shreads. Another option would have been to ignore it and not respond at all. By the way, you mentioned that you were taking pictures. Did you get any good ones of the six yellow fish you saw? Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > Another option would have been to ignore it and not respond at all. Very true. > By the way, you mentioned that you were taking pictures. Did you get > any good ones of the six yellow fish you saw? I'm afraid not. ultramafic@cluemail.com (Steve Wilbur) pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :I'm afraid not. Go back and try again. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Wilbur" <ultramafic@cluemail.com> > experience, or even hinted at it. All I said, starting this thread, was > that I just got back from a great diving trip in Australia where I > completed 50 dives, which happened to be over a span of 19 days. The > emphasis there being that I had a lot of fun doing a concentrated amount > of diving in a short period of time, thereby making the most of my > opportunity while I was there - and I really enjoyed it. Cool, you made 50 dives in 19 days! Way to go! Bravo! Kudos! Great job! Excellent! Magnificent! Super! Wonderful! Awesome! First-Class! Fantabulous! Amazing! Awe-Inspiring! Fantastic! Howling! Marvelous! Rattling! Terrific! Tremendous! Wondrous! Epitomic! That was what you were looking for right? > And the response > is just so negative from you people. I dunno why, or what you get out of > being so negative, but hey, more power to you I guess. Yes, all of you are > simply infinitely superior to anything I could ever hope to be. All hail > to the infinitely superior, knowledgeable, and expert divers on this > group. Now get over it. Jezz... *whine whine whine* Get over it. Somebody asked what you learned and you came back with "Pretty much everything one would expect to learn after 50 dives." What somebody learned in 50 warm water good vis reef dives is much different that what somebody learned diving cold water low vis dives. But that is neither here nor there... maybe had you said --- well I got my buoyancy worked out pretty well and I can identify 25 different kinds of fish now --- I bet the response would have been different. And then again this is rec.scuba so maybe not! Welcome to rec.scuba -- time to grow a thicker skin if you want to hang around here. Kimber --- Let them hate, so long as they fear. Lucius Accius >Way to go! Bravo! Kudos! Great job! > Excellent! Magnificent! Super! Wonderful! Awesome! First-Class! > Fantabulous! Amazing! Awe-Inspiring! Fantastic! Howling! Marvelous! > Rattling! Terrific! Tremendous! Wondrous! Epitomic! > > That was what you were looking for right? The pool boy was over again????? }:^)> Buck "Randy Buckner" <Randybuckner@att.net> wrote in message news:qF7Jb.579766$0v4.23140709@bgtnsc04- > >Way to go! Bravo! Kudos! Great job! > > Excellent! Magnificent! Super! Wonderful! Awesome! First-Class! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > The pool boy was over again????? }:^)> Poolboy? Not quite -- you got the Po and y correct but you messed up the last letter as well as a couple in between. (-; Kimber SignatureA positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright > You know - you guys can take the most innoculous of happy comments and > turn it into some big meaningless argument. I never claimed to have much [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > to the infinitely superior, knowledgeable, and expert divers on this > group. Now get over it. Jezz... Good for you Steve. Personally, I suspect you learned a fair amount about buoyancy control and breathing patterns and had one helluva lot of fun that made all that painful training in Alaska even more worthwhile. Keep it up. :^) In article <JJ3Jb.908854$9l5.700735@pd7tw2no>, "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada>> > >Good for you Steve. Personally, I suspect you learned a fair amount about > buoyancy control and breathing patterns and had one helluva lot of fun that > made all that painful training in Alaska even more worthwhile. Keep it up. > :^) Hey, thanks (: The only really painful thing about doing it in Alaska is the big mittens that give you no tactile feeling whatsoever. That's really the worst part (unless you were one of the people with a leaky drysuit valve). (: > All hail to the infinitely superior, knowledgeable, and expert divers > on this group. You know, you might get somewhere after all. > Now get over it. Jezz... Nope, guess not. No, really, are you going on to DM? Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > Yes, all of you are simply infinitely superior to anything I could > ever hope to be. True, but we try not to let it go to our heads... <grin> > You know - you guys can take the most innoculous of happy comments and > turn it into some big meaningless argument. ... > ... > All hail to the infinitely superior, knowledgeable, and expert divers on this > group. Now get over it. Jezz... Hey. Don't let it bother you. If you want to participate in this group, you've GOT to have thick skin. "David Gintz (formerly newdiver2@aol.com)" <d_gintzREMOVEALLUNDERSCORES@adel_ph_iaDOT_net> wrote in message news:LC4Jb.1870$uF6.597761@news1.news.adelphia.net... > > You know - you guys can take the most innoculous of happy comments and > > turn it into some big meaningless argument. ... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Hey. Don't let it bother you. If you want to participate in this group, > you've GOT to have thick skin. Aw, have thick skin, .5mm neoskin, 20% callus by volume -- Mike Bradley http://gzen.myhq.info -- free online php tools Steve Wilbur said: > I advanced a lot more as a diver than I would have if I > completed those same 50 dives over a span of 2 years or something along > those lines. Steve, what makes you say this, just curious ? Kevin Falconer Fort Myers, FL > > I advanced a lot more as a diver than I would have if I > > completed those same 50 dives over a span of 2 years or something along > > those lines. > > Steve, what makes you say this, just curious ? Well, consider two scenarios. 50 dives in a month vs. 2 dives/month for 2 years. It seems to me, and of course it is entirely possible that I may be in correct, that intensity of training (and really training is what we are talking about) generally results in better performance. You don't train for a marathon by running a mile a day for a year - you train by running many miles a day for a year, believing that when race day comes, you'll be better prepared. Same deal here. At the end of 50 dives, it seems to me that the intensity and continuity of the 50 dives in a month results in better skills. You're able to reflect on a dive, make corrections (or try to) on the next dive, and see how well your adjustments work. In contrast, if you wait a whole month to try it out, you just don't get the same benefit. It's all about timely feedback. > > > I advanced a lot more as a diver than I would have if I > > > completed those same 50 dives over a span of 2 years or something along [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > if you wait a whole month to try it out, you just don't get the same > benefit. It's all about timely feedback. I see your point, however, I must disagree in the fact the two are not alike, unless you are talking about conditioning your body for diving. if you did 50 dives in 19 days, I assume thats doing all the dives in near similar conditions. thus not the same as 2 dives a month for 2 years. I myself had around 20 dives done in my first month of diving, but they were all about the same as far as conditions go, then after that, it was every month I dove that I learned more, due to changing conditions, temp, viz, night, current, swell, surfzones, etc... again, I do not knock you (except that 50lb thing, we all are wondering about that, I know you explained.). and I think we all razzed you enough, continue to dive, and have fun :) -- Mike Bradley http://gzen.myhq.info -- free online php tools > I see your point, however, I must disagree in the fact the two are not > alike, unless you are talking about conditioning your body for diving. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > month I dove that I learned more, due to changing conditions, temp, viz, > night, current, swell, surfzones, etc... Well, there is some truth to that. However, I'm fairly confident, that for me, at least in my case, it worked out to my advantage. Because of the diving conditions here (Alaska), it's much more of a hassle for a new diver. The water isn't exactly pleasant, the drysuit adds more complexity, the thick gloves make things more difficult, etc. That extra hassle impacts you even more when you're only getting 20 minutes out of a tank of air (in my case). It creates somewhat of a disincentive to put all that stuff on and get ready, just for 20 minutes, and once you do get underwater, the frustration factor can be pretty high. Sometimes it can be hard to concentrate on something (such as improving breathing technique) other than the frustration. After I completed my first four (certification) dives, I was thinking that it was fine and all, but I wasn't too convinced I would be doing a lot of diving in Alaska. Now however, having had a concentrated period of time where I could get comfortable under water, get used to my equipment, and get a little better at things generally, I can't wait to try it out here. On a side note, while some of the conditions on those Australia dive were the save (such as warm water), it wasn't all uniform. There were about 8 night dives in there, about 7 of those dives (on the Yongala) had *extremely* strong current, about 8 dives were in constant (maybe 1-1.5m) surge, some involved very shallow dives swimming in and out of reef structures (which really required me to get better at buoyancy so I wasn't floating on the surface), some had really poor visability - so there was definitely a mix. In fact, maybe more of a mix than I would have had doing 50 dives in the places I'm likely to go in Alaska. Just a guess. |
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