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p_aule@webtv.net - 27 Nov 2007 18:15 GMT
Should have a Monitor !
bob - 27 Nov 2007 18:43 GMT
> Should have a Monitor !

Yes, thats the problem - if you don't have a monitor you can't
read what bollox you are typing!
Lee Bell - 27 Nov 2007 19:02 GMT
> Should have a Monitor !

To keep webtv weenies out?
Grumman-581 - 28 Nov 2007 01:48 GMT
> To keep webtv weenies out?

Is webtv still around?  With my killfile on the entire domain, I hadn't
seen any of those kiddies in quite awhile... I guess I had thought that
the company had finally gone belly up...
dazed and confuzzed - 28 Nov 2007 02:31 GMT
> Should have a Monitor !

WebTv. Enough said.

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-hh - 29 Nov 2007 07:22 GMT
On Nov 27, 1:15 pm, p_a...@webtv.net wrote:
> Should have a Monitor !

Sorry, I've been on vacation.

Afterall, I am allowed to take a vacation occasionally, aren't I?

The flight home leaves in around an hour, so I'll clean things up
tomorrow night.  Until then, please lurk, read the FAQ and RTFM and
perhaps a nice scotch & water.

-hh
Grumman-581 - 29 Nov 2007 09:38 GMT
> On Nov 27, 1:15 pm, p_a...@webtv.net wrote:
>> Should have a Monitor !
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> tomorrow night.  Until then, please lurk, read the FAQ and RTFM and
> perhaps a nice scotch & water.

You shouldn't promote drinking among adolescents...

Just like we shouldn't promote teenage sex by telling him to go f.ck 
himself...
-hh - 29 Nov 2007 23:08 GMT
> > ... Until then, please lurk, read the FAQ and RTFM and
> > perhaps a nice scotch & water.
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> Just like we shouldn't promote teenage sex by telling him to go
> f.ck himself...

Not necessarily, as Paul from WebTV does claim to be married.  I was
just being generous while doing the 'Ling thing' in the Continental
lounge in Honolulu (except I was admitting to having a drink :-);
perhaps it would rearrange his curmudgeonity attitude and result in
him finally sharing some of his alledged UW video.

-hh
Greg Mossman - 29 Nov 2007 23:46 GMT
> Not necessarily, as Paul from WebTV does claim to be married.  I was
> just being generous while doing the 'Ling thing' in the Continental
> lounge in Honolulu (except I was admitting to having a drink :-);
> perhaps it would rearrange his curmudgeonity attitude and result in
> him finally sharing some of his alledged UW video.

Guessing that you're flying into Newark, it looks like I'll be missing
you by a couple days.  I'll be at the C terminal PC there late in the
evening of December 1, drinking myself into a stupor so I can sleep
through the redeye to Bonaire.  Drop by for a "free drink" if you're
in the neighborhood.

How was HI?
-hh - 30 Nov 2007 03:05 GMT
> Guessing that you're flying into Newark, it looks like I'll be missing
> you by a couple days.  I'll be at the C terminal PC there late in the
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>
> How was HI?

A nice change from my Caribbean stuff.  Did a lot of topside
stuff...hiking, cultural, nature, etc...so only a few actual dive
days.

On Kaui, I used 'Bubbles Below' - nice small 6-pack type outfit
operating out of Port Allen.  A nice touch was that their freshwater
rinse was passed through their engine manifold, so it was a hot water
rinse :-)  I'd go out with them again.

On Kona (Big Island), I was short on time for being selective for
picking a dive op, so I ended up going with "Kona Honu Divers" because
I specifically wanted to get in on the Manta Night Dive, which they
prominently feature.  While the Manta Night Dive was fun & highly
recommended, I'd not use Kona Honu again as my dive op.

The staff was fine - - evidence of some deep experience on the staff,
although there was the "kid who needs work" DM stereotype as well as a
flamboyant cheerleader stereotype as well - - I found couple of things
that just were downright irritating.

The first was their "hurry up and wait" treatment of their customers.
The typical routine was that at the designated meeting time, the crew
would take their first roll call,  --> and then <-- start to set up
the pile of dive gear.  With over half of the customers using their
rental equipment, this all could have been set up long beforehand, but
it was apparently more convenient for them to have their customers
stand around on their dock for a half hour*twiddling our thumbs while
they set the stuff up.  I didn't ask what their excuse was because it
doesn't matter to me, because I won't be going back.

* - and longer than a half hour if you showed up before the appointed
meeting time.

The second was that they had stuffed two dozen customers onto a Newton
46.  They do try to prevent it from being too bad of a herd underwater
by using multiple DM guides leading around groups of 6 or 7, but with
an AM boat having three groups (& DM for each), plus an instructor
with students makes for very slow loads on & off even if you don't
mind having lead group dives.  Relative to above and below, a minor
nit.

The third strike was short fills.  They use HP80's, but the highest
pressure I saw out of four tanks used on different days was only
3200psi @ ambient air, which meant that it immediately dropped to
3000psi within 2-3 minutes in the 77F water.  As such, while the label
claims its an 80, basic physics say that with the tank being ~15%
short of full, its really only a 68 cubic foot tank.  Perhaps it was a
subtle way to enforce their "1 hour max" bottom time policy..not that
it mattered with my air consumption anyway.  Regardless, they limit
the Manta dive to just 45 minutes, so I came back from that dive with
1400psi, despite a 3100psi (surface) start.

And to think its a SCUBA Diving Magazine "2007 Readers Choice"
operation.

BTW, the Kona Agressor had a little boating accident last Wednesday in
Kona Harbor:  apparently got caught the wrong way by the wind and
drifted over the bouys and into the roped-off swimmer's area.  They
got towed off, but the entangled rope was severed, etc.  I'll post the
photo when I find it.

-hh
Greg Mossman - 30 Nov 2007 05:01 GMT
> On Kaui, I used 'Bubbles Below' - nice small 6-pack type outfit
> operating out of Port Allen.  A nice touch was that their freshwater
> rinse was passed through their engine manifold, so it was a hot water
> rinse :-)  I'd go out with them again.

Did you get a chance to dive with Linda?  We dove the standard sites
the two other days I dove with them, but when Linda was in charge, we
ended up doing a nifty shallow drift from one site to another that I
thought to be an amazing feat of navigation considering the lousy viz.

> On Kona (Big Island), I was short on time for being selective for
> picking a dive op, so I ended up going with "Kona Honu Divers" because
> I specifically wanted to get in on the Manta Night Dive, which they
> prominently feature.  While the Manta Night Dive was fun & highly
> recommended, I'd not use Kona Honu again as my dive op.

That's too bad.  We dove with Jack's and, while I wasn't too impressed
with their day dives, they ran a very good manta show (we did it two
nights), and limited the two dives to an hour each which is reasonable
since the shallow site would otherwise permit much longer dives and
the late arrival back in Kona already assures that most of the
restaurants have closed up for the night.

> BTW, the Kona Agressor had a little boating accident last Wednesday in
> Kona Harbor:  apparently got caught the wrong way by the wind and
> drifted over the bouys and into the roped-off swimmer's area.  They
> got towed off, but the entangled rope was severed, etc.  I'll post the
> photo when I find it.

That reminds me of a hilarious incident with Buddy Dive on Klein
Bonaire.  The boat somehow caught the mooring line in the prop and
they had to cut it loose, which set the mooring ball adrift.  Gung-ho
DM-in-training jumped in to save the mooring ball, but didn't put any
fins on.  It was hilarious watching him try to swim back to the boat
with the ball.  I thought we'd have to jump in to save the DM.

But the Kona Aggressor should know better.  Presumably they require a
bit more experience to captain a bit boat like that versus the six-
packs that make the 1-mile crossing to Klein Bonaire.

Glad you had a good time.  Now it's my turn.
-hh - 30 Nov 2007 13:46 GMT
> > On Kaui, I used 'Bubbles Below' - nice small 6-pack type outfit
> > operating out of Port Allen.  A nice touch was that their freshwater
> > rinse was passed through their engine manifold, so it was a hot water
> > rinse :-)  I'd go out with them again.
>
> Did you get a chance to dive with Linda?  

Met her, but she was just back from a dive trip in Indonesia, so she
didn't go out diving.

> > On Kona (Big Island), I was short on time for being selective for
> > picking a dive op, so I ended up going with "Kona Honu Divers" because
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> the late arrival back in Kona already assures that most of the
> restaurants have closed up for the night.

A good point about the need to go get food afterwords; the Kona
Brewing Company's kitchen closes at 9:00pm.

FWIW, the "slow" aspects of Kona Honu Divers was such that despite
having the earliest meeting time (3pm) for the night dive, we were
also invariably the last one back.  At least their "hold the customers
from getting off the boat while we mention our tip jar" speech was
mercifully short after the night dive.

> > BTW, the Kona Agressor had a little boating accident last Wednesday in
> > Kona Harbor...
>
> But the Kona Aggressor should know better.  Presumably they require a
> bit more experience to captain a bit boat like that versus the six-
> packs that make the 1-mile crossing to Klein Bonaire.

One would hope.  Considering how slowly they appeared to have drifted
into the swimmer's area, I was particularly surprised that it happened
at all, as the seas and winds were both quite light.

> Glad you had a good time.  Now it's my turn.

Looks like you'll be getting through here just in the nick of time:
the weather report is currently calling for a bag of "wintery mix
crap" precipitation on Sunday afternoon, and the first one's always
the worst for people being ill-prepaired.

-hh
Greg Mossman - 30 Nov 2007 16:52 GMT
> > > On Kaui, I used 'Bubbles Below' - nice small 6-pack type outfit
> > > operating out of Port Allen.  A nice touch was that their freshwater
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> from getting off the boat while we mention our tip jar" speech was
> mercifully short after the night dive.

Maybe it's just the "island time" aspect.  Hawaii can sometimes be
worse than the Caribbean, so much that you forget you're still in the
U.S.  I believe it was Jack's one time that was moving so slow, I
ended up unloading half of the tanks on the boat for them just to
hurry them up so we could get our ride back to the shop.  Of course I
only tipped half my usual that day, figuring I deserved the other
half.

> One would hope.  Considering how slowly they appeared to have drifted
> into the swimmer's area, I was particularly surprised that it happened
> at all, as the seas and winds were both quite light.

I'm looking forward to a boat-free dive trip for a change.  We've got
6 prepaid boat dives and that's it.  No seasickness and no head
exploding in our cabin like our last trip!

> > Glad you had a good time.  Now it's my turn.
>
> Looks like you'll be getting through here just in the nick of time:
> the weather report is currently calling for a bag of "wintery mix
> crap" precipitation on Sunday afternoon, and the first one's always
> the worst for people being ill-prepaired.

Yeah, I've been eyeing the weather up there like a hawk.  I always
told myself I would never fly through Newark in the winter and here I
am, trying to make a flight that only flies once a week.  But the
difference between going through Newark and going through Houston
makes the difference between silver and gold elite for next year and
the tickets cost the same.  I figured it was worth spending a couple
more hours on the plane as we're riding up front and on the way back
we snagged one of the 757-200s from Newark-LAX that has fully
reclining seats.

That "light wintery mix" (according to weather.com) sure scared me
when it started showing up.  I was fearing it would start early Sunday
and maybe affect late Saturday night (we fly out at 11:55 p.m.).
Hopefully not, or at least it hopefully won't affect our landing in
from LAX.  As long as we get to Newark in time, I figure they'll get
us to Bonaire as soon as the plane can take off.  I was just worried
about not being able to land and somehow missing the connecting
flight.  If it's not getting "wintery" until the afternoon as you say,
I'll be underwater by then in 82 degrees of clear fishy bliss.

Fingers are tightly crossed.
-hh - 30 Nov 2007 18:17 GMT
> > FWIW, the "slow" aspects of Kona Honu Divers was such that despite
> > having the earliest meeting time (3pm) for the night dive, we were
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>
> Maybe it's just the "island time" aspect.

Perhaps, but when an operator is consistently "First Out, Last Back"
without their customers benefitting by getting longer bottom times,
I'd not call it an "Island Time" factor.

> I believe it was Jack's one time that was moving so slow, I
> ended up unloading half of the tanks on the boat for them just to
> hurry them up so we could get our ride back to the shop.  Of course I
> only tipped half my usual that day, figuring I deserved the other
> half.

More the reason to park out at the Honokohau Small Boat Harbor,
although I did learn from Hans Eckhert (former LA County Dive
Instructor, now living in Kona) that the shore dive right here is
quite good. I'm tempted next time to ask Hans to have him show me his
favorite shore diving spots, as he also knows how to do the Manta site
as a night shore dive, and considering how the sites I saw were all
shallow and near-shore, its an easy way to save $100/day per
person...afterall, one has to try to economize somewhere to pay for a
doors-off chopper visit to the Goddess Pele:

http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2007/hawaii/lava_7681c.jpg

> > Looks like you'll be getting through here just in the nick of time...
>
> Yeah, I've been eyeing the weather up there like a hawk.  I always
> told myself I would never fly through Newark in the winter and here I
> am, trying to make a flight that only flies once a week...

Try living here :-)

> That "light wintery mix" (according to weather.com) sure scared me
> when it started showing up.  I was fearing it would start early Sunday
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> flight.  If it's not getting "wintery" until the afternoon as you say,
> I'll be underwater by then in 82 degrees of clear fishy bliss.

The forecast I heard this AM was for "Sunday afternoon" precipitation,
and checking now for Weather Underground's details, the chance for
precipitation technically starts at 4AM Sunday at 30%, but at 10AM, it
jumps to 70% and with a wind shift from N to S expected by 1PM, so I
think you're safe by a good 10-12 hours.

-hh
Greg Mossman - 30 Nov 2007 22:00 GMT
> More the reason to park out at the Honokohau Small Boat Harbor,
> although I did learn from Hans Eckhert (former LA County Dive
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>
> http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2007/hawaii/lava_7681c.jpg

Very purty.  Do you feel the sting of the acidic vapors up there in
the chopper?  On the ground, it makes your eyes burn like a slow-
acting tear gas.

> > Yeah, I've been eyeing the weather up there like a hawk.  I always
> > told myself I would never fly through Newark in the winter and here I
> > am, trying to make a flight that only flies once a week...
>
> Try living here :-)

No thanks :)

Like Houston, I've been to Newark several times, but have yet to leave
the airport.  Actually that's not true.  Once I did fly into Newark,
then take the train to NYC.  Never again.  And I left the Houston
airport once when we were bumped overnight, traveling all the way to
the airport Sheraton.  Good enough for me.

> The forecast I heard this AM was for "Sunday afternoon" precipitation,
> and checking now for Weather Underground's details, the chance for
> precipitation technically starts at 4AM Sunday at 30%, but at 10AM, it
> jumps to 70% and with a wind shift from N to S expected by 1PM, so I
> think you're safe by a good 10-12 hours.

Fantastic.  Even in first, I wouldn't want to spend 11 hours sitting
on the runway like some passengers have suffered there.  Unless they
had fully-reclining seats and video-on-demand, of course, but the EWR-
BON leg (737-700) doesn't have either.

Right now L.A. is in a major deluge.  It's been pouring all day and I
swear I drove through 2 feet of water earlier.  The good news is I got
out of my round-trip to L.A. since it probably would have taken 5
hours.  The better news is that it's supposed to clear by tonight so
it won't affect my drive to LAX tomorrow morning.

We're landing, assuming all goes well, just in time to run to
Gallagher's and be seated for a quite decent airport steak.  If we
make it, I'll raise a toast to you with a Tanqueray #10 martini and
blue-cheese olives.  Someday we'll manage to connect at an airport
somewhere out there...
-hh - 01 Dec 2007 00:42 GMT
> > a doors-off chopper visit to the Goddess Pele:
>
> >http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2007/hawaii/lava_7681c.jpg
>
> Very purty.  Do you feel the sting of the acidic vapors up there in
> the chopper?

Didn't really have anything more than a quick whiff; was more
impressed by the radiation heat that we felt even though we were
~500ft up.

> On the ground, it makes your eyes burn like a slow-
> acting tear gas.

Nah, it gives a lot more warning than tear gas, and even then, it
doesn't really do a good job of cleaning out the sinuses like CS does.

> Like Houston, I've been to Newark several times, but have yet to leave
> the airport.  Actually that's not true.  Once I did fly into Newark,
> then take the train to NYC.  Never again.  

None of the three major NYC airports are really connected up all that
well to the City, IMO.

> And I left the Houston
> airport once when we were bumped overnight, traveling all the way to
> the airport Sheraton.  Good enough for me.

Same here.

> > The forecast I heard this AM was for "Sunday afternoon" precipitation,
> > and checking now for Weather Underground's details, the chance for
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>
> Fantastic.

The evening's weather report is holding; sounds like we're going to
get more icy crap. I expect that Sunday night will be a skating rink.

> Even in first, I wouldn't want to spend 11 hours sitting
> on the runway like some passengers have suffered there.  

I don't recall which airport had the really bad tarmac delays; it
might have been LGA?  In any event, its winter instead of summer, so
its unlikely that the cigar tube will hit 110F inside.

> We're landing, assuming all goes well, just in time to run to
> Gallagher's and be seated for a quite decent airport steak.  If we
> make it, I'll raise a toast to you with a Tanqueray #10 martini and
> blue-cheese olives.  Someday we'll manage to connect at an airport
> somewhere out there...

Gallagher's is a good choice:  that's where I go for dinner before red
eye's to Europe.

-hh
Greg Mossman - 01 Dec 2007 14:29 GMT
> I don't recall which airport had the really bad tarmac delays; it
> might have been LGA?  In any event, its winter instead of summer, so
> its unlikely that the cigar tube will hit 110F inside.

> > We're landing, assuming all goes well, just in time to run to
> > Gallagher's and be seated for a quite decent airport steak.  If we
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> Gallagher's is a good choice:  that's where I go for dinner before red
> eye's to Europe.

This morning at 5:40 a.m. the phone started ringing frantically.  It
was Continental to tell us our flight out of LAX was delayed an hour
due to the incoming flight from Newark getting stuck at the airport.
She was concerned that we would miss our connection to Bonaire, so we
would want to try to get on the earlier flight that only had one seat
left in first?  That would mean leaving for the airport an hour
earlier than we had planned, not a possibility as far as Janna is
concerned.

But I wondered why they thought we would miss the connection since I
had given us a generous 2:55 to connect in EWR.  She finally realized
this, but then insisted that since the flight hadn't yet left Newark,
we still might be in danger of missing the connect.  We discussed our
options besides getting the earlier flight out of LAX, which was
basically to try for an American flight.  Again, this isn't an option
because I don't want to go through PR, and our luggage is sized to
CO's first-class: we're bringing 5 bags for the two of us, two of
which are over 50 lbs, plus a few carry-ons that I don't want to have
to worry about fitting in cabin of the island hopper out of PR.

It turns out to be a false alarm.  CO 1402 left EWR only 53 minutes
behind schedule, which still gives us over 2 hours to connect.  The
only downside is that Gallagher's stops seating at 9:30 and we're not
scheduled to arrive in Newark until 9:49 p.m.  Oh well, if missing our
steak dinner is the worst fate we have to suffer, I can happily deal
with that.

Is there anywhere else in EWR to eat after 10 p.m.?
-hh - 01 Dec 2007 14:45 GMT
> Is there anywhere else in EWR to eat after 10 p.m.?

I don't know:  if I'm in EWR after 10pm, I'm heading to the parking to
get home.

I would expect that the food courts might still be open.  There is a
1950's style diner that's over on the right leg (near gate 82?) that's
a bit better that may be worth a gamble.

Worse comes to worse, there's the cheese & crackers at the President's
Club.

-hh
Greg Mossman - 01 Dec 2007 15:10 GMT
> > Is there anywhere else in EWR to eat after 10 p.m.?
>
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> 1950's style diner that's over on the right leg (near gate 82?) that's
> a bit better that may be worth a gamble.

Garden City Diner, or something like that?  Yeah, eaten there a couple
times.

> Worse comes to worse, there's the cheese & crackers at the President's
> Club.

Exactly, plus olives and celery from my bloody mary(s).  I think we'll
be OK.  They're gonna feed us on the long flight over and probably
have a snack plate on the redeye and then the breakfast buffet should
open up shortly after we get to our condo.  I don't resemble an
Ethiopian nomad enough to really worry about starving.  In fact, I was
actually worried about trying to fit in a big steak that late,
especially since it doesn't digest well sitting in a plane seat at
altitude.  I'll take it as a sign that I should be eating more fish.

So far so good.  CO has a nifty webapp that lets you watch the plane
in flight and that's somehow comforting.

The other good thing is that now we might have time to run by the dive
shop if I can call and confirm that Janna's weight pockets are there.
It's just up the road from LAX in Venice and there's probably enough
time to make the round trip before we park at the airport.
-hh - 02 Dec 2007 02:55 GMT
> So far so good.  CO has a nifty webapp that lets you watch the plane
> in flight and that's somehow comforting.

I just checked Greg's flight...looks like Continental hussled & made
up time; the flight landed on time around 20 minutes ago, so Greg's
probably grabbing that steak at Gallagher's.

The radar map's showing precip above us (verga), which isn't making it
to the ground yet.  Greg might see flurries outside his window before
departure...if he gets stuck in EWR, hopefully he has my phone# to
call for a pickup instead of spending a night in a seedy hotel down by
the Meadowlands (with no traffic, I'm only 25 minutes from the
airport); else he will have to call Lee or Curtis to get it.  I got
the snow tires out of storage for the Quattro, although for a quick
run tonight, the M&S rated summer tires will suffice.

-hh
Greg Mossman - 02 Dec 2007 03:00 GMT
> > So far so good.  CO has a nifty webapp that lets you watch the plane
> > in flight and that's somehow comforting.
>
> I just checked Greg's flight...looks like Continental hussled & made
> up time; the flight landed on time around 20 minutes ago, so Greg's
> probably grabbing that steak at Gallagher's.

Yes we landed, no on Gallagher's.  See my other post.

> The radar map's showing precip above us (verga), which isn't making it
> to the ground yet.  Greg might see flurries outside his window before
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> the snow tires out of storage for the Quattro, although for a quick
> run tonight, the M&S rated summer tires will suffice.

No I don't have your number, but I haven't seen any flurries here yet
and as far as I know, we're gonna make it out on time.  Just in case,
if you want to e-mail me your number, I'll call you if there's any
changes as we'd be much happier seeing a friendly face instead of a
surly shuttle driver.  But I think we're OK for now.  Maybe on the way
back?
-hh - 02 Dec 2007 03:07 GMT
>  Maybe on the way back?

Being Sunday a week from now?

BTW, you have an email incoming with my phone#s and a home email
address.

-hh
Greg Mossman - 02 Dec 2007 02:56 GMT
> > > Is there anywhere else in EWR to eat after 10 p.m.?
>
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> It's just up the road from LAX in Venice and there's probably enough
> time to make the round trip before we park at the airport.

Update:  We made it to Newark, actually on time because of a tailwind
that made up for the delay on departure.  But when we ran all the way
to Gallaghers and were ready to be seated for our 9:30 reservation at
9:28, the maitre'd explained that since it was after 9:30 (it wasn't)
that they had no food and we were SOL.  So we're hungry, eating lots
of cheese and crackers at the PC, and ready to board our flight to
Bonaire.  Better hungry than not satisfied at all.  At least we'll be
warm and underwater in a few more hours.
mag3 - 02 Dec 2007 12:03 GMT
>Update:  We made it to Newark, actually on time because of a tailwind
>that made up for the delay on departure.  But when we ran all the way
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>Bonaire.  Better hungry than not satisfied at all.  At least we'll be
>warm and underwater in a few more hours.

The flight arrived at 05:15am in Bonaire, a bit early according to the CO website.

So hopefully, you will be able to get a morning dive in. :-)

Good thing it took off OK, we have about 1/2" of snow on the ground now......

Assuming you're taking the corresponding "return flight" back to EWR and you
have sufficient layover time (and are willing to step outside the "airside" security
checkpoint), I might even be willing to stop by and say Hi...  You could even give
me a pep talk for my up comming trip to the FFK's! :-)

E-Mail me at the address of this post if interested.

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Greg Mossman - 06 Dec 2007 12:58 GMT
> >Update:  We made it to Newark, actually on time because of a tailwind
> >that made up for the delay on departure.  But when we ran all the way
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>
> So hopefully, you will be able to get a morning dive in. :-)

We had to sit in the hotel parking lot waiting until 8 a.m. for the
office to open, only to be informed that our room wasn't ready yet.
Fortunately, by the time we were done with breakfast, our room was
cleaned and we were able to move in.  Bonaire requires an
"orientation" prior to any diving there, even though we still had our
Marine Park tags from March, so we did that at 9:30 a.m., then hit the
sack and slept through to the afternoon.  I hate red-eyes.

> Good thing it took off OK, we have about 1/2" of snow on the ground now......

> Assuming you're taking the corresponding "return flight" back to EWR and you
> have sufficient layover time (and are willing to step outside the "airside" security
> checkpoint), I might even be willing to stop by and say Hi...  You could even give
> me a pep talk for my up comming trip to the FFK's! :-)
>
> E-Mail me at the address of this post if interested.

I gave us 3 hours to clear immigration/customs on a Sunday which is
probably just barely enough time.  However, if we're delayed getting
out and have more time to kill, I'd be happy to meet up with you and/
or Hugh.  E-mail me your number and I'll call you from the airport if
things go sour.
chilly - 07 Dec 2007 08:16 GMT
> > >Update:  We made it to Newark, actually on time because of a tailwind
> > >that made up for the delay on departure.  But when we ran all the way
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> Marine Park tags from March, so we did that at 9:30 a.m., then hit the
> sack and slept through to the afternoon.  I hate red-eyes.

Wow. I'm really glad I went to BZ instead.  You know how I hate those
red-eye flights in the first place, let alone . . .

> > Good thing it took off OK, we have about 1/2" of snow on the ground now......
>
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> or Hugh.  E-mail me your number and I'll call you from the airport if
> things go sour.

Sounds lovely.  OTOH, my bags were checked right through and then we got
take the most excellent ride over the reef to get to the island . . and then
after that, there is the sun, the sea, the music and the dancing . .oh yeah,
I forgot . . lots and lots of great diving

But maybe you'll never know because your head is still stuck on your last
bad experience there.
Greg Mossman - 07 Dec 2007 12:47 GMT
> Wow. I'm really glad I went to BZ instead.  You know how I hate those
> red-eye flights in the first place, let alone . . .

They'd be a lot better if I didn't insist on drinking the entire
travel day.  I hate all those free drinks they make you drink in first
class.  Coach is much easier on the liver.

> Sounds lovely.  OTOH, my bags were checked right through and then we got
> take the most excellent ride over the reef to get to the island . . and then
> after that, there is the sun, the sea, the music and the dancing . .oh yeah,
> I forgot . . lots and lots of great diving

Our bags made it too and if I wasn't so hungover, I could have been
diving by 10:30 a.m.  I chose to sleep instead since, after all, it's
a vacation.

> But maybe you'll never know because your head is still stuck on your last
> bad experience there.

My last experience in Belize wasn't too bad since we were diving the
atolls.  I just don't equate Ambergris Caye with "good diving", I
equate it with wind and Fox News.
chilly - 07 Dec 2007 15:34 GMT
(snip)> > But maybe you'll never know because your head is still stuck on
your last
> > bad experience there.
>
> My last experience in Belize wasn't too bad since we were diving the
> atolls.  I just don't equate Ambergris Caye with "good diving", I
> equate it with wind and Fox News.

Oh sorry, I'd forgotten about your trip to the Atolls.  Be that as it may,
you have no real reference on the local diving at Ambergris Caye and you
know it.

I've had some spectacular dives there and some of them are at a minimum
equal to those out at Turneffe.  Sure, they aren't Halfmoon Caye Wall but
some of them are still pretty great.  And that's the part you'll never
realize because you head is still stuck on your last bad experience there.

By the way, I'll never get over the music but my dancing until the wee hours
days are bound to become more limited.
mag3 - 09 Dec 2007 15:47 GMT
>Update:  We made it to Newark, actually on time because of a tailwind
>that made up for the delay on departure.  But when we ran all the way
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>Bonaire.  Better hungry than not satisfied at all.  At least we'll be
>warm and underwater in a few more hours.

Greg's plane has arrived safely in EWR a bit early.. So now it's on through the
CBP unit and then onto his connection. It's cloudy, but wind is calm and there is no
preciptation going on. So I guess he'll make his connection.      

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Regards,

Arnold
 
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