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Scuba Forum / General / December 2007Cruise Ship Sinks
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/23/nship823.xml http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/23/antarctica.ship/index.html Doesn't it seem like the wrong time of the year to cruise the far southern hemisphere? Take a note to ask the owners of the Explorer. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/23/nship823.xml > http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/23/antarctica.ship/index.html > > Doesn't it seem like the wrong time of the year to cruise the far southern > hemisphere? Take a note to ask the owners of the Explorer. It is summer down under, after all. Now is probably a better time to go than during their winter. Dennis On Nov 24, 11:49 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/23/nship... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Dennis Spring actually. And late summer down there (March) is actually the best time. gc > It is summer down under, after all. > Now is probably a better time to go than during their winter. Yeah, it's warmer, the ice is starting to break up which makes it possible to get closer to the continent, plus the daylight lasts longer each day... Hell, probably few people would pay for the trip if it was in the winter and it was dark most of the day... King George Island is about 62.1 S latitude... Assuming it uses the same timezone as Chille (GMT-4), the sun rises at 02:05 and sets at 21:16... http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.php <snip> What is surprising is that the ship managed to sink from a hole as small as "fist sized"... As someone who is ex-Navy, my first thought is that this says quite a bit about their concept of "watertight integrity"... A "fist sized" hole should be pretty much a non-event... > <snip> > > What is surprising is that the ship managed to sink from a hole as small > as "fist sized"... As someone who is ex-Navy, my first thought is that > this says quite a bit about their concept of "watertight integrity"... A > "fist sized" hole should be pretty much a non-event... I had wondered that myself. Surely a "fist sized hole" can be overcome with the pumps that they have available.  Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American. ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 > I had wondered that myself. Surely a "fist sized hole" can be overcome > with the pumps that they have available. With proper watertight integrity, the pumps should have only been necessary to clean up after the hole had been repaired by the damage control party... >>I had wondered that myself. Surely a "fist sized hole" can be overcome >>with the pumps that they have available. > > With proper watertight integrity, the pumps should have only been > necessary to clean up after the hole had been repaired by the damage > control party... Well, yeah... Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American. ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >> <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I had wondered that myself. Surely a "fist sized hole" can be overcome >with the pumps that they have available. Aren't such damages what keelhauling was made for ? The poor, unfortunate lad who was steering at the time is supposed to be hauled down with a sail to strech outside the hole, so at least the sail can reduce the water flow. He could even wear a drysuit and scuba. -- mrr >>> <snip> >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >hauled down with a sail to strech outside the hole, so at least >the sail can reduce the water flow. It was a growler. Totally submerged, practically invisible to the eye and with no radar profile. Now the crew that spent 45 minutes setting up the pumps should be keelhauled. Apparently no one was aware of the flooding for 30 minutes, then the crew took another 45. And only open life rafts, no enclosed boats. That is flat out insane. >He could even wear a drysuit and scuba. There are two way to keelhaul, depending on the severity of the offense. For minor offenses, you toss the convicted over the rail and haul him to the other side. For major offenses, you toss him off the stem and haul to the stern. One causes serious injury, the other results in someone who can't complain. >-- mrr Signaturedillon "They don't make Jews like Jesus any more. They don't turn the other cheek, the way they done before. You could hear the honky holler, as he headed for the floor. They don't make Jews like Jesus any more." > <snip> > > What is surprising is that the ship managed to sink from a hole as small > as "fist sized"... As someone who is ex-Navy, my first thought is that > this says quite a bit about their concept of "watertight integrity"... A > "fist sized" hole should be pretty much a non-event... It does sound like one should be able to close a couple of hatches and still be in good shape. Dennis > It does sound like one should be able to close a couple of hatches and still > be in good shape. I suspect that cruise ships just don't have the attention to detail with respect to watertight integrity that a Navy ship has... Hell, I remember there being watertight doors on compartments on the O-3 level where one of my radar rooms was located... That's just below the island structure... It's been a lot of years, but if I remember correctly, I think one of my radar rooms on the O-10 level (top of the island structure) even had a watertight door on it... Quite frankly, if you have been sinking enough that you have water coming into a compartment that is at the top of the island structure, whether that compartment is watertight is the least of your worries... It's about 80 ft from the flight deck to the water... Figure another 70 ft at least to the bottom of the O-10 level... Figuring about a 40 ft draft, if you're in water shallower than 190 ft, the O-10 level is not even going to get wet even if the ship was sitting on the bottom... If they ever decide to make an artificial reef out of one of them, it's going to make for a deep dive... >>It does sound like one should be able to close a couple of hatches and still >>be in good shape. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > bottom... If they ever decide to make an artificial reef out of one of > them, it's going to make for a deep dive... Like the Oriskany? "A. Ex-ORISKANY will be sunk at a depth of 212 feet, at mean low water. This will provide a 61 foot navigational clearance at mean low water above the ship if the ship settles on its keel. A 55-foot minimum navigational clearance at mean low water is required by the Army Corps of Engineers permit." http://www.ussoriskany.com/id18.html > Like the Oriskany? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > navigational clearance at mean low water is required by the Army Corps > of Engineers permit." More so... With 190 ft to the bottom of the O-10 level, it would be at least 200 ft to the top of the O-10 level... Add another 5 ft for any sort of railing that they might leave along the top of the island structure plus the 55 ft navigational clearance and we're now up to needing to sink it in 260 ft of water... Gonna be a pretty good narc getting down there to check out the screws and rudders on the ship... > > Like the Oriskany? > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > it in 260 ft of water... Gonna be a pretty good narc getting down there to > check out the screws and rudders on the ship... I wonder when the new dive site in the Antarctic will be opened up to divers. Anyone know the water depth? ;-) SignatureSupport the Writers! > I wonder when the new dive site in the Antarctic will be opened up to > divers. > Anyone know the water depth? > ;-) I think I'll pass... I prefer water slightly warmer than that location... >>Like the Oriskany? >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > it in 260 ft of water... Gonna be a pretty good narc getting down there to > check out the screws and rudders on the ship... I watched a show on one of the TV channels (Discovery, History, whichever) which documented the sinking of the Oriskany. Pretty interesting and they show it from time to time. Documented the extensive cleaning process up to placing the charges. At one point in the process, they weren't sure it would clear a bridge as it was being towed out to sea on its final trip. I think it cleared the bridge by a matter of inches. > > It does sound like one should be able to close a couple of hatches and still > > be in good shape. > > I suspect that cruise ships just don't have the attention to detail with > respect to watertight integrity that a Navy ship has... Hell, I remember too bad. > there being watertight doors on compartments on the O-3 level where one of > my radar rooms was located... That's just below the island structure... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > bottom... If they ever decide to make an artificial reef out of one of > them, it's going to make for a deep dive... Like the Oriskany? Dennis On Nov 24, 12:50 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman581-rec-sc...@spambob.net> wrote: > <snip> > > What is surprising is that the ship managed to sink from a hole as small > as "fist sized"... As someone who is ex-Navy, my first thought is that > this says quite a bit about their concept of "watertight integrity"... A > "fist sized" hole should be pretty much a non-event... From : http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/23/antarctica.ship/index.html "We believed it has been hulled, it has a hole the size of a fist and some cracking in the hull of the ship, it's taking water and it's listing about 21 degrees," he said. the " Some cracking of the hull" probably done her in. read somewhere that this flooded the engine room, killing power to the pumps.. <snip> An interesting article from that first link of yours: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/24/wamerica124.xml& CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox "While we found many people who hated Mrs Clinton, those who loved her were few and far between." "If there was a single message from Americans everywhere, however, it was that they cannot stand politicians. " |
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