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Scuba Forum / General / November 2007Gun nut ( type wheel) near Darwin award OT
my freedoms are restricted I have to use a wheel brace http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7091904.stm > my freedoms are restricted I have to use a wheel brace > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7091904.stm Scotty, is that you? Janusz > my freedoms are restricted I have to use a wheel brace > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7091904.stm That's what happens when a government restricts the right to bear oxy-acetylene torches... Seriously though... I have yet to see a lug nut that I couldn't remove with a wrench... I have had some that were so tight that I ended up twisting the lug nut's bolt off and as such, I needed to replace the bolt, but that's pretty easy -- just need a big enough hammer... > Seriously though... I have yet to see a lug nut that I couldn't remove > with a wrench... I have had some that were so tight that I ended up > twisting the lug nut's bolt off and as such, I needed to replace the bolt, > but that's pretty easy -- just need a big enough hammer... I darned sure have. A FedEx delivery guy, the one that most often delivers my reloading supplies, had a flat on his truck. One of the 5 lug nuts was stripped and simply was not going to come off no matter how much force was applied. In fact, when we applied enough force, it stripped the lug too. I had him pull into my driveway and cut the darned thing off with an air motor and cutting wheel. Lee > > Seriously though... I have yet to see a lug nut that I couldn't remove > > with a wrench... I have had some that were so tight that I ended up [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > had him pull into my driveway and cut the darned thing off with an air motor > and cutting wheel. That is because you are an American. Help anyone in need. > I darned sure have. A FedEx delivery guy, the one that most often delivers > my reloading supplies, had a flat on his truck. One of the 5 lug nuts was > stripped and simply was not going to come off no matter how much force was > applied. In fact, when we applied enough force, it stripped the lug too. I > had him pull into my driveway and cut the darned thing off with an air motor > and cutting wheel. Interesting... I've had them where they wouldn't budge with a normal lug wrench, but when I added a cheater bar to it, I was able to cause the lug bolt to actually twist off... I remember a nut that we needed to remove on a fire plug for maintenance while I was on the Nimitz that we had to add a 4+ ft cheater bar to the wrench and a couple of guys all pulling / pushing on it at the same time... Even with that, it was just barely turning... That was probably one of the worst stuck nuts that I remember ever encountering... The bolt wouldn't break nor did the head of the nut round off... > Interesting... I've had them where they wouldn't budge with a normal lug > wrench, but when I added a cheater bar to it, I was able to cause the lug > bolt to actually twist off... This has been my experience too. A very handy tool to have is a hand operated impact driver. I haven't seen many fasteners that can't be removed with one of these. http://tinyurl.com/37wzsy On 14 Lis, 14:40, Grumman-581 <grumman581-rec-sc...@spambob.net> wrote: > > I darned sure have. A FedEx delivery guy, the one that most often delivers > > my reloading supplies, had a flat on his truck. One of the 5 lug nuts was [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > encountering... The bolt wouldn't break nor did the head of the nut round > off... Oh that sailors, I'm sure that Army guy would do the job alone ......using longer bar;-)) Janusz > Oh that sailors, I'm sure that Army guy would do the job > alone ......using longer bar;-)) Not likely... There wasn't room enough to operate a longer bar in that compartment... It was in the ladderway of the island structure, probably around the O-4 or O-5 level... We actually took one of the pieces of pipe that had chain in it that prevented you from falling down the ladderway and used that as a cheater bar... Using a longer bar was prevented both by the ladder being in the way and the hole in the deck where the ladder went through... On 14 Lis, 15:22, Grumman-581 <grumman581-rec-sc...@spambob.net> wrote: > > Oh that sailors, I'm sure that Army guy would do the job > > alone ......using longer bar;-)) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the ladder being in the way and the hole in the deck where the ladder went > through... Quite "good" explanation, but I'm not completely convinced. BTW what does it mean O-4 or O-5? I suppose it isn't officer pay grade? Janusz > Quite "good" explanation, but I'm not completely convinced. BTW what > does it mean O-4 or O-5? I suppose it isn't officer pay grade? No, it's basically the deck number... The O-4 level is the bottom of the island structure which is at the same level as the flight deck... The O-5 is one deck above it... The O-10 level is at the top of the island structure (one of my radar rooms was up there)... The hangar deck is the 1st deck and the O-1 level is right above it... Below the hangar deck is the 2nd deck and this is also the mess deck... >>I darned sure have. A FedEx delivery guy, the one that most often delivers >>my reloading supplies, had a flat on his truck. One of the 5 lug nuts was [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > encountering... The bolt wouldn't break nor did the head of the nut round > off... Nut splitters do exist. Or you can just weld a hot spot onto it. The heat makes it expand, the subsequent plastic deformation yield, and the shrinking followed by the cooling crack. Matthias > Nut splitters do exist. > Or you can just weld a hot spot onto it. The heat makes it > expand, the subsequent plastic deformation yield, and the > shrinking followed by the cooling crack. A nut splitter (assuming we could find one aboard ship) would have required us to go find a replacement nut... No welding equipment in our department and I have no idea how much trouble it would have been from a paperwork standpoint to try to do something like that... On the other hand, we had a large wrench and the pipe was within a couple of feet of the fire plug... A bonus was that the nut was reuseable afterwards... It went back on only slightly easier than it came off... >> Nut splitters do exist. >> Or you can just weld a hot spot onto it. The heat makes it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the fire plug... A bonus was that the nut was reuseable afterwards... It > went back on only slightly easier than it came off... IMO, as an (certified world) -expert- in this matter, my best results with a -rounded- nut is pounding an undersized deepwell socket over the nut with a BFH, and wailing it with impact. I own a 1/2 inch Ingersoll that will shear a 9/16 hardened stud. -Seized- nuts that won't come loose properly with torch heat are gonna break. Nut splitters work great, but heat probably shoulda done the job if they do. Some places heat ain't cool (gas tanks), some places the splitter won't fit (wheels). There is also a modicum of locking lug removal tools on the market, but they don't last long. They work great, though, a couple times.  Signature"If you guys would just settle to earth and admit that guns are just noisy potentially dangerous tools and quit waving them around like a steel dick then there's be no need for discussions like this." - JOF Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762 > IMO, as an (certified world) -expert- in this matter, my best results with > a -rounded- nut is pounding an undersized deepwell socket over the nut with > a BFH, and wailing it with impact. > > I own a 1/2 inch Ingersoll that will shear a 9/16 hardened stud. I've found that I can usually put more ft-lbs of force by hand than with an air wrench... Assume that you only have a 18" long wrench and you stand on it at the 1 ft or so mark... That should be good for around 200 ft-lbs of force -- more for some people... Double that so that you're standing at about the 2 ft mark with a longer cheater bar or a longer wrench and you've got 400 ft-lbs to work with... I remember one time when using a pipe wrench on some 1" gas line that I ended up with a 6 ft cheater bar on the pipe wrench... >> IMO, as an (certified world) -expert- in this matter, my best results >> with [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > using a pipe wrench on some 1" gas line that I ended up with a 6 ft > cheater bar on the pipe wrench... you lot spend far to much time and force trying to get your nuts off > you lot spend far to much time and force trying to get your nuts off One of the disadvantages of not having as many sheep and 'roos as ya'll do... In article <473d2f15$0$19895$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader- 01.iinet.net.au>, dechucka@vomithotmail.com says... - -"Grumman-581" <grumman581-rec-scuba@spambob.net> wrote in message -news:pan.2007.11.16.04.40.54.500000@spambob.net... -> On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:08:24 -0500, Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote: -> ->> IMO, as an (certified world) -expert- in this matter, my best results ->> with ->> a -rounded- nut is pounding an undersized deepwell socket over the nut ->> with ->> a BFH, and wailing it with impact. ->> ->> I own a 1/2 inch Ingersoll that will shear a 9/16 hardened stud. -> -> I've found that I can usually put more ft-lbs of force by hand than with -> an air wrench... Assume that you only have a 18" long wrench and you -> stand on it at the 1 ft or so mark... That should be good for around 200 -> ft-lbs of force -- more for some people... Double that so that you're -> standing at about the 2 ft mark with a longer cheater bar or a longer -> wrench and you've got 400 ft-lbs to work with... I remember one time when -> using a pipe wrench on some 1" gas line that I ended up with a 6 ft -> cheater bar on the pipe wrench... - -you lot spend far to much time and force trying to get your nuts off and thus you win "The Laugh of the Day Award" !! - - - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net >> IMO, as an (certified world) -expert- in this matter, my best results >> with [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > using a pipe wrench on some 1" gas line that I ended up with a 6 ft > cheater bar on the pipe wrench... It multiplies torque fer sure, but doesn't apply the repetitive impact that can loosen corrosion. The purpose if the impact wrench is the impact, not the wrench. Cheater bars also make snapping a corroded or over-tightened fastener off -much- more likely, but sometimes that's the fastest way to proceed. Fasteners, particularly lugs, that are -that- over tightened are usually spent anyhow. For a fast multiplier, try taking the next size larger wrench than you're using, and fit its box end over the open end of the correct size wrench. It works great with large wrenches, will extend the reach of smaller wrenches, and show you whether or not you bought quality wrenches... I invented that. :-) Signature"If you guys would just settle to earth and admit that guns are just noisy potentially dangerous tools and quit waving them around like a steel dick then there's be no need for discussions like this." - JOF Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762 > For a fast multiplier, try taking the next size larger wrench than > you're using, and fit its box end over the open end of the correct size [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I invented that. :-) I've used that technique quite often over the years... Works great for those cases where the 4 ft cheater bar is either not handy or too large... >>> IMO, as an (certified world) -expert- in this matter, my best >>> results with [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > I invented that. :-) I thought Al Gore invented that >> IMO, as an (certified world) -expert- in this matter, my best results with >>a -rounded- nut is pounding an undersized deepwell socket over the nut with [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > using a pipe wrench on some 1" gas line that I ended up with a 6 ft > cheater bar on the pipe wrench... Don't forget the power of a well aimed axial punch an the nut, or bolt head. Then there is "super anti seize", if corrosion took place. Enables turning loose by ~45° for every single shot. Or liqid nitrogen... Matthias > >> IMO, as an (certified world) -expert- in this matter, my best results with > >>a -rounded- nut is pounding an undersized deepwell socket over the nut with [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Don't forget the power of a well aimed axial punch an the > nut, or bolt head. I might be interested if I was Curtis and was trying to break the nut, but otherwise my little hands aren't that tough. On 16 Lis, 00:08, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > >> Nut splitters do exist. > >> Or you can just weld a hot spot onto it. The heat makes it [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > IMO, as an (certified world) -expert- in this matter, Certified? And it is about nuts. Conclusion is rather simple - Certified nut case. Janusz > my best results with > a -rounded- nut is pounding an undersized deepwell socket over the nut with [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762 >>> I darned sure have. A FedEx delivery guy, the one that most often >>> delivers my reloading supplies, had a flat on his truck. One of the 5 [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Matthias I think either of these methods would ahve worked better. I don't even think in my ever enveloping stupidity I could have thought to use a shotgun! Or any firearm for that matter > I think either of these methods would ahve worked better. I don't even > think in my ever enveloping stupidity I could have thought to use a > shotgun! Or any firearm for that matter Especially from that distance... <snicker> One has to wonder how he managed to live that long with such obviously defective genes... >>>> I darned sure have. A FedEx delivery guy, the one that most often >>>> delivers my reloading supplies, had a flat on his truck. One of the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > think in my ever enveloping stupidity I could have thought to use a > shotgun! Or any firearm for that matter Especially strange is the journal's wording " after the _accident_ had happened".... Matthias > Interesting... I've had them where they wouldn't budge with a normal lug > wrench, but when I added a cheater bar to it, I was able to cause the lug > bolt to actually twist off. I wish that had happened. Stripping the threads on the lug made it easy to turn the nut, but impossible to get it to screw off. My cutting torch, which I did not have back then, would have made short work of it. My cutting wheel did OK, but took a while. For some strange reason, I was trying to salvage the lug. Not a chance. Lee > I wish that had happened. Stripping the threads on the lug made it easy to > turn the nut, but impossible to get it to screw off. My cutting torch, which > I did not have back then, would have made short work of it. My cutting wheel > did OK, but took a while. For some strange reason, I was trying to salvage > the lug. Not a chance. Replacing a lug is pretty easy... If you somehow manage to split the splines on the lug though, you've probably really screwed up... Interestingly, I managed to twist off the entire lug before the splines stripped out... >> I wish that had happened. Stripping the threads on the lug made it easy >> to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Interestingly, I managed to twist off the entire lug before the splines > stripped out... It wasn't the splines that were the problem, but the threads. The nut was cross threaded and forced on with an industrial strength air impact wrench. My consumer grade impact wrench wouldn't budge it. My oversized T bar did, but finished the job on the threads on the lug in the process. By the time I was finished, the nut moved fairly easily on the lug, but only because there were no threads left for it to bite into. It was a first class pain in the butt. Lee > It wasn't the splines that were the problem, but the threads. The nut > was cross threaded and forced on with an industrial strength air impact > wrench. My consumer grade impact wrench wouldn't budge it. My oversized > T bar did, but finished the job on the threads on the lug in the > process. The industrial strength air impact wrench had probably already started deforming the threads... Your removal attempt just completed the job... On Nov 14, 3:22 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman581-rec-sc...@spambob.net> wrote: > > It wasn't the splines that were the problem, but the threads. The nut > > was cross threaded and forced on with an industrial strength air impact [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The industrial strength air impact wrench had probably already started > deforming the threads... Your removal attempt just completed the job... A real man would have used his teeth. > A real man would have used his teeth. Or perhaps thermite... > > A real man would have used his teeth. > > Or perhaps thermite... few problems in this world can't be solved with the proper application of high explosives. > > > A real man would have used his teeth. > > > Or perhaps thermite... > > few problems in this world can't be solved with the proper application of > high explosives. Quite opposite. Try do do some precise job with them without collateral damage. Janusz > > > > A real man would have used his teeth. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Janusz I never said anything about not creating more problems. Original problem dealt with. In this case, a little C-4 and the lug nut would no longer have been a problem. > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > I never said anything about not creating more problems. So it's really interesting concept of solving problem - no nut, no car > Original problem dealt with. > > In this case, a little C-4 and the lug nut would no longer have been a > problem. C-4? It's for ladies. Real man would use Semtex. Janusz > > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d70ce785-aced-4d26-9089-b38964d5785c@w34g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > > > "Grumman-581" <grumman581-rec-sc...@spambob.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Janusz small bang for a small problem. Chris Guynn napisał(a): > > > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > small bang for a small problem. It's really difficult to make small bang. Janusz > C-4? It's for ladies. Real man would use Semtex. One must use the proper tool for the job... For stuck lug nuts, I believe that the tool of choice is thermite... On 21 Lis, 05:50, Grumman-581 <grumman581-rec-sc...@spambob.net> wrote: > > C-4? It's for ladies. Real man would use Semtex. > > One must use the proper tool for the job... For stuck lug nuts, I believe > that the tool of choice is thermite... How do you want to apply it? <big, "innocent" smile> Janusz >> <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >So it's really interesting concept of solving problem - no nut, no >car The Mythbusters solved that same issue with concrete that "went off" inside a concrete mixer. I think they found a third of the frame. >> Original problem dealt with. >> >> In this case, a little C-4 and the lug nut would no longer have been a >> problem. >C-4? It's for ladies. Real man would use Semtex. Google "making semtex". The bothersome part is the number of site in Arabic. >Janusz Signaturedillon Flower Whiskers, RIP What a great leader > Thus spake "janus...@hotmail.com" <janus...@hotmail.com> : > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Google "making semtex". The bothersome part is the number of site in > Arabic. Strange. I've received only links to Czech and American sites. Just like this one http://www.semtexculture.cz/. Nothing in Arabic. Janusz > On Nov 14, 3:22 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman581-rec-sc...@spambob.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > A real man would have used his teeth. a real man would get his wife to do it >> It wasn't the splines that were the problem, but the threads. The nut >> was cross threaded and forced on with an industrial strength air impact [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The industrial strength air impact wrench had probably already started > deforming the threads... Your removal attempt just completed the job... That was the meaning I intended to convey. > my freedoms are restricted I have to use a wheel brace > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7091904.stm Yes they are, and, as an ART for a quarter of a century, I've been tempted more than once. Signature"If you guys would just settle to earth and admit that guns are just noisy potentially dangerous tools and quit waving them around like a steel dick then there's be no need for discussions like this." - JOF Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762 > > my freedoms are restricted I have to use a wheel brace > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7091904.stm > Yes they are, and, as an ART for a quarter of a century, I've been tempted > more than once. Boy, does he feel stupid. No self respecting gun nut would have used a shotgun. An '06 or a .308 would have been a much better choice, and might have worked. |
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