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eeo - 11 Nov 2007 04:51 GMT
Is it possible to get *good* take-out sushi?

eeo
Greg Mossman - 11 Nov 2007 05:11 GMT
On Nov 10, 8:51 pm, "eeo" <eeolson(people in Hawaii actually like
spam)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Is it possible to get *good* take-out sushi?

Hell no.

I've tried it many times and it always sucks.

It's bad enough when you order sushi at a table instead of at the bar,
but it never, never tastes as good at home.
Sheldon - 11 Nov 2007 05:54 GMT
> On Nov 10, 8:51 pm, "eeo" <eeolson(people in Hawaii actually like
> spam)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> It's bad enough when you order sushi at a table instead of at the bar,
> but it never, never tastes as good at home.

Make your own.  It's not hard.
JOF - 11 Nov 2007 19:29 GMT
>> On Nov 10, 8:51 pm, "eeo" <eeolson(people in Hawaii actually like
>> spam)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Make your own.  It's not hard.

Easy to say if yer born in Korea.

JF
eeo - 11 Nov 2007 18:29 GMT
> On Nov 10, 8:51 pm, "eeo" <eeolson(people in Hawaii actually like
> spam)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> It's bad enough when you order sushi at a table instead of at the bar,
> but it never, never tastes as good at home.

Hey Greg,

Next time you head out this way, let me know.  I think I've found a sushi
place here on Oahu that even you might like.

eeo
Greg Mossman - 11 Nov 2007 19:04 GMT
On Nov 11, 10:29 am, "eeo" <eeolson(people in Hawaii actually like
spam)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

> > It's bad enough when you order sushi at a table instead of at the bar,
> > but it never, never tastes as good at home.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Next time you head out this way, let me know.  I think I've found a sushi
> place here on Oahu that even you might like.

I haven't been to Oahu in years, other than transiting through HNL.  I
almost bought in on a cheap Continental deal, something like $280
round-trip, but I'm too busy to go anywhere right now.  Given the
Japanese population and Japanese tourism, not to mention the same from
the U.S. west coast, there's no reason the sushi shouldn't be good.

I've enjoyed Sansei on Maui and I think they have a Honolulu branch.

Sasabune is a real popular place out here, recently moving to a much
larger location.  The one time I ate there, Elliot Gould was seated at
the bar two seats down from me.  I believe they have a Honolulu
location as well.

Finally, I ate at Suntory in Mexico City a long time ago.  At the
time, their only U.S. branch was in Waikiki.  I'm not sure if they're
still around.

Oahu is the only island of the big four that I haven't dove.  If you
include Lanai and Molokai, then I still haven't dove Molokai either,
but I'll leave that to the lepers.  If Continental ever offers such a
nice deal again, I'll definitely jump on it.  Maybe a progressive
sushi tasting of Honolulu's best is in order.

In the meantime, I will be passing through on March 6 and March 17.  I
think there's enough time on the 17th to grab a quick bite in town.
Either that, or sit in Stinger Ray's for 3.5 hours.  I'll drop you a
line before then and maybe we can meet up for a "quickie".
eeo - 12 Nov 2007 05:00 GMT
> On Nov 11, 10:29 am, "eeo" <eeolson(people in Hawaii actually like
> spam)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> Either that, or sit in Stinger Ray's for 3.5 hours.  I'll drop you a
> line before then and maybe we can meet up for a "quickie".

"Lepers?!"  After saying that, you just better not show your face around
here.  Very, very politically incorrect.  "Victims of Hansen's Disease" or
"Hansen's Disease Survivors" but not the L-word.  And the leper colony on
Molokia is pretty much shut down now.  If you ever get to Molokai, you won't
be going diving so you might as well spend the day touring Kalaupapa.  (
http://visitmolokai.com/kala.html )  It will be an experience even your
jaded heart will feel.

So, yeah, drop me a line.  I'd love to take you out for something nice the
only problem is that there is nothing nice anywhere near the airport.

eeo
Greg Mossman - 12 Nov 2007 05:54 GMT
On Nov 11, 9:00 pm, "eeo" <eeolson(people in Hawaii actually like
spam)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

> "Lepers?!"  After saying that, you just better not show your face around
> here.  Very, very politically incorrect.  "Victims of Hansen's Disease" or
> "Hansen's Disease Survivors" but not the L-word.  And the leper colony on
> Molokia is pretty much shut down now.  If you ever get to Molokai, you won't
> be going diving so you might as well spend the day touring Kalaupapa.  (http://visitmolokai.com/kala.html)  It will be an experience even your
> jaded heart will feel.

I didn't realize there were any left.  Isn't Hansen's curable
nowadays?

> So, yeah, drop me a line.  I'd love to take you out for something nice the
> only problem is that there is nothing nice anywhere near the airport.

If the sushi chef's fingers start falling off, I'm not eating there.
Are sushi bars required to hire leperous sushi chef applicants under
the ADA?

In any case, I'm not sure it will be so easy to come and go this
time.  The last time I tried this we were able to get a taxi to/from
Waikiki for a nice sunset-view dinner and make it back just in time to
board the flight to LAX.  But that was on 9/2/01.  A few days later,
airport security got a lot tighter.  Unless our flight from GUM lands
early, it's probably best to stay in the airport.

Tomorrow night we're trying this place, with an outdoor terrace on the
21st floor:

http://www.takamisushi.com/
Dillon Pyron - 17 Nov 2007 04:17 GMT
>On Nov 11, 9:00 pm, "eeo" <eeolson(people in Hawaii actually like
>spam)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>I didn't realize there were any left.  Isn't Hansen's curable
>nowadays?
Not really "curable", but extremely treatable.

>> So, yeah, drop me a line.  I'd love to take you out for something nice the
>> only problem is that there is nothing nice anywhere near the airport.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>http://www.takamisushi.com/
Signature

dillon

Flower Whiskers, RIP
What a great leader

Scott - 11 Nov 2007 19:43 GMT
> Hey Greg,
>
> Next time you head out this way, let me know.  I think I've found a sushi
> place here on Oahu that even you might like.

99% of the joy of sushi is watching a craftsman work.

The rest of it is bait.
Dillon Pyron - 12 Nov 2007 03:07 GMT
Thus spake "eeo" <eeolson(people in Hawaii actually like
spam)hawaii.rr.com> :

>> On Nov 10, 8:51 pm, "eeo" <eeolson(people in Hawaii actually like
>> spam)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>eeo

It was 1990, but we found a great little bar in Poipu.  Bar only, no
tables.  No tempura.  I think they had miso.

I ordered some hamachi at one point.  The guy told me "gotta wait a
couple minutes, bra.  The guys are taking it off the truck".

OTOH, we almost walked into a "sushi bar" in Chicago.  One of the guys
we were with said "we're 2500 miles from the Pacific.  We're 2500
miles from the Atlantic.  We're 2000 miles from the Gulf".  We had a
steak, instead.
Signature

dillon

Flower Whiskers, RIP
What a great leader

Greg Mossman - 12 Nov 2007 03:52 GMT
> Thus spake "eeo" <eeolson(people in Hawaii actually like
> spam)hawaii.rr.com> :
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> miles from the Atlantic.  We're 2000 miles from the Gulf".  We had a
> steak, instead.

"Most would be even more surprised to learn that if the sushi has not
been frozen, it is illegal to serve it in the United States.

"Food and Drug Administration regulations stipulate that fish to be
eaten raw - whether as sushi, sashimi, seviche, or tartare - must be
frozen first, to kill parasites. "I would desperately hope that all
the sushi we eat is frozen," said George Hoskin, a director of the
agency's Office of Seafood. Tuna, a deep-sea fish with exceptionally
clean flesh, is the only exception to the rule."

"Sabine Marangosian, who works in Midtown Manhattan, said she ate
sushi "at least once a week." "I guess I would understand that some
sushi is frozen," she said. "But I would hope that's not the case at
Nobu."

"But Shin Tsujimura, the sushi chef at Nobu, closer to Wall Street,
said he froze his own tuna. "Even I cannot tell the difference between
fresh and frozen in a blind test," he said.

"Even Masa Takayama, whose sushi temple Masa, in the Time Warner
Center, charges a minimum of $300 to worship, said he used frozen tuna
when fresh is unavailable.

"Many sushi bars, in Japan and elsewhere, routinely use frozen fish
when fresh is unavailable or more expensive than the market will
bear.

"In Japan," Mr. Kawauchi said, "50 percent of the sushi and sashimi is
frozen. Only my American customers are so concerned with fresh fish."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/08/nyregion/08SUSH.html?ex=1396756800&en=14403a12
46cf158f&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND


On the other hand, eating sushi in Chicago apparently enriches the
Moonies:

"Although few seafood lovers may consider they're indirectly
supporting Moon's religious movement, they do just that when they eat
a buttery slice of tuna or munch on a morsel of eel in many
restaurants. True World is so ubiquitous that 14 of 17 prominent
Chicago sushi restaurants surveyed by the Tribune said they were
supplied by the company."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/chi-0604sushi-1-story,0,3736876.story
Adam Helberg - 11 Nov 2007 06:04 GMT
> Is it possible to get *good* take-out sushi?

Instead of hunting when diving while don't you just enjoy and respect the sea life.
Greg Mossman - 11 Nov 2007 17:39 GMT
> > Is it possible to get *good* take-out sushi?
>
> Instead of hunting when diving while don't you just enjoy and respect the sea life.

Can't you respect something and eat it too?

(to think of all those ladies whom I've told I'd still respect in the
morning)
JOF - 11 Nov 2007 19:31 GMT
>> > Is it possible to get *good* take-out sushi?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>(to think of all those ladies whom I've told I'd still respect in the
>morning)

You probably lie to yer sushi too.

JF
Greg Mossman - 11 Nov 2007 19:51 GMT
> >(to think of all those ladies whom I've told I'd still respect in the
> >morning)
>
> You probably lie to yer sushi too.

If I'm still seeing sushi in bed with me in the morning, it was
definitely bad fish and not deserving of respect.
Adam Helberg - 12 Nov 2007 05:32 GMT
>> > Is it possible to get *good* take-out sushi?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> (to think of all those ladies whom I've told I'd still respect in the
> morning)

It all depends on the definition of  "something" and "eating".
Greg Mossman - 12 Nov 2007 05:38 GMT
> >> > Is it possible to get *good* take-out sushi?
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> It all depends on the definition of  "something" and "eating".

Hunters respect the deer they shoot and eat, sometimes to the point of
putting their heads up on the wall.

Injuns respected the enemies they killed, sometimes to the point of
eating them.

Eating and respect go hand in hand.
eeo - 12 Nov 2007 18:15 GMT
> Hunters respect the deer they shoot and eat, sometimes to the point of
> putting their heads up on the wall.

Fun is fun but now I'm getting worried...
Greg Mossman - 14 Nov 2007 18:08 GMT
On Nov 12, 10:15 am, "eeo" <eeolson(people in Hawaii actually like
spam)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

> > Hunters respect the deer they shoot and eat, sometimes to the point of
> > putting their heads up on the wall.
>
> Fun is fun but now I'm getting worried...

OK, maybe that was a bad example.  What about the hunters that respect
the deer by eating its still-pumping heart or rubbing its blood on
their faces?  Surely that's a deep sign of respect for their kill.

Next time I'm at a sushi bar, I'll rub a piece of sushi on my face to
show my respect for the dead fish.  Maybe that will make Adam happy.
Joe English - 14 Nov 2007 23:03 GMT
> On Nov 12, 10:15 am, "eeo" <eeolson(people in Hawaii actually like
> spam)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Next time I'm at a sushi bar, I'll rub a piece of sushi on my face to
> show my respect for the dead fish.  Maybe that will make Adam happy.

no - but maybe it will make you smell like you just got your first piece
Dan Bracuk - 15 Nov 2007 02:38 GMT
Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:

:Next time I'm at a sushi bar, I'll rub a piece of sushi on my face to
:show my respect for the dead fish.  Maybe that will make Adam happy.

You do that for me and I'll pay your bill.

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
Matthias Voss - 15 Nov 2007 09:50 GMT
> Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> You do that for me and I'll pay your bill.

In a Japanese sushi bar, it might well arrive that all the
other guest adopt this gourmet style immediately, especially
when such an alpha role model like Greg proliferates it.

Matthias
-hh - 15 Nov 2007 12:24 GMT
> > Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> > in:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> other guest adopt this gourmet style immediately, especially
> when such an alpha role model like Greg proliferates it.

The mere act of Greg simply talking about it....

...has already changed customs in Nigeria!

http://www.419eater.com/images/tope2.jpg
http://www.419eater.com/images/tope3.jpg

-hh
Greg Mossman - 15 Nov 2007 16:02 GMT
> http://www.419eater.com/images/tope3.jpg

Get that guy together with a pic of chilly with a banana on her head
and you'll have a full meal.
crownfield - 15 Nov 2007 19:00 GMT
In article <a268d5a4-ed0e-4dd1-884b-
4f506c707b8b@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, mossman@qnet.com says...
-On Nov 15, 4:24 am, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
-
-> http://www.419eater.com/images/tope3.jpg
-
-Get that guy together with a pic of chilly with a banana on her head
-and you'll have a full meal.
-

so chilly would be desert?

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Bob Crownfield
crownfield@verizon.net

Scott - 11 Nov 2007 12:54 GMT
> Is it possible to get *good* take-out sushi?

Geez Eric.
Blah - 12 Nov 2007 10:04 GMT
> Is it possible to get *good* take-out sushi?

Why not, not as if it can get cold....
Greg Mossman - 12 Nov 2007 16:19 GMT
> > Is it possible to get *good* take-out sushi?
>
> Why not, not as if it can get cold....

Actually, the best sushi is made with warm rice.
 
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