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-hh - 29 Oct 2007 12:21 GMT
Got a trip coming up where the drive home won't be at sea level ...
IIRC, an elevation gain of around 3,000ft from sea level.

Anyone work with the formulas frequently enough to recall them
offhand?

-hh
Scott - 29 Oct 2007 13:25 GMT
http://www.sierradive.com/Altitude.htm

> Got a trip coming up where the drive home won't be at sea level ...
> IIRC, an elevation gain of around 3,000ft from sea level.
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> -hh
Adam Helberg - 29 Oct 2007 19:29 GMT
> http://www.sierradive.com/Altitude.htm

This table is for diving from the altitude, which is more severe than diving from sea
level and then driving to altitude. If you want to be very conservative you can
follow the table or with some computers (like the Suunto Vyper) you can set the
starting altitude.

Adam
Adam Helberg - 29 Oct 2007 19:39 GMT
>> http://www.sierradive.com/Altitude.htm
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> Adam

My Oceanic Prodigy sets itself automatically when activated above 3000 ft to
compensate for altitude diving, and also sets to fresh water, so this computer can
not be used to compensate for driving/flying to altitude after diving.

Adam
Greg Mossman - 29 Oct 2007 16:35 GMT
> Got a trip coming up where the drive home won't be at sea level ...
> IIRC, an elevation gain of around 3,000ft from sea level.
>
> Anyone work with the formulas frequently enough to recall them
> offhand?

>From what I understand, 3,000 is nothing at all to worry about, and
you're driving, not making an immediate ascent.

I've routinely driven home over a 4,000 foot pass after a full day of
diving in San Diego and that's basically the response I was always
given whenever I expressed concern to anyone (including on this very
newsgroup).  Most people scoff at the notion of getting bent because
of the slow ascent rate.  When I spoke with Karl Huggins about it
(manager of the Catalina chamber), he did say he had recommended in
the past that divers living up at 8,000 feet in Big Bear should spend
an extra day at sea level before driving home, but that was after
chamber training which took the divers to "165 feet".

If you're walking out of the water and into a car headed straight up
the mountain, maybe be concerned.  No one should dive Molokini in the
morning and immediately drive up 10,000 feet to Mt. Haleakala, for
instance.  But in the usual case, by the time you get your gear loaded
up in the car and drink a beer, that's a good long deco stop and
you're ready to ascend 10 feet to the next stop.  10 feet in water is
about 3,000 feet in air, right?
Greg Mossman - 29 Oct 2007 16:39 GMT
> > Got a trip coming up where the drive home won't be at sea level ...
> > IIRC, an elevation gain of around 3,000ft from sea level.
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> you're ready to ascend 10 feet to the next stop.  10 feet in water is
> about 3,000 feet in air, right?

Here's a link to a table I had found in the past.  I think it's way
too conservative, since ascent rate should make a difference:

http://faculty.washington.edu/ekay/altitude.html
-hh - 30 Oct 2007 12:51 GMT
>From what I understand, 3,000 is nothing at all to worry about, and
> you're driving, not making an immediate ascent.

It looks like for 'minor' altitude differences, just preset the dive
computer for it.

> If you're walking out of the water and into a car headed straight up
> the mountain, maybe be concerned.  No one should dive Molokini in the
> morning and immediately drive up 10,000 feet to Mt. Haleakala, for
> instance.  

Dang.  I knew that there was a reason to go to Maui :-)   Even so, it
will also apply for Mauna Kea, plus I do have to take it into
consideration if we take any chopper sightseeing flights.  Looks like
we'll have to do a "day by day" plan for the trip.

-hh
Nicce - 29 Oct 2007 19:59 GMT
Buy an Uwatec dive conputer. Will tell you the altitude class.

Niclas
> Got a trip coming up where the drive home won't be at sea level ...
> IIRC, an elevation gain of around 3,000ft from sea level.
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> -hh
Dan Bracuk - 30 Oct 2007 00:57 GMT
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:Got a trip coming up where the drive home won't be at sea level ...
:IIRC, an elevation gain of around 3,000ft from sea level.
:
:Anyone work with the formulas frequently enough to recall them
:offhand?

Drive slowly.

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.

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