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Belize -- Paradise or Devil's Island?  Need advice

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Sheldon - 28 Oct 2007 19:21 GMT
Okay, my girlfriend wants to go to Belize.  Not a problem, except that now
she's telling me that if we go to be prepared to be bit by every bug known
to mankind, and some that aren't.  She's telling me I'm going to get bit by
thousands of these little mites that you can't do anything about.

I already know that I need to take precautions against malaria and
mosquitoes, but I don't want to pay for a vacation that leaves me itching
and scratching the entire trip.  What's with these mites she's talking
about?

She already gets seasick, and is trying to convince me I will, too.  I've
never been seasick in my life, and got her seasick last night just by
talking about the boat going up and down, up and down, up and down.  I will
admit it was kind off funny, but I just wanted to see how bad she was.

Anyway, what kind of horrors am I in for, or is she mostly full of it?  She
was there 10 years ago.

Thanks, and getting a new girlfriend is not an option, however I will
reexamine the situation after the trip. :-)

Sheldon
Greg Mossman - 28 Oct 2007 21:03 GMT
> Okay, my girlfriend wants to go to Belize.  Not a problem, except that now
> she's telling me that if we go to be prepared to be bit by every bug known
> to mankind, and some that aren't.  She's telling me I'm going to get bit by
> thousands of these little mites that you can't do anything about.

No-see-ums? Sand fleas?  Nope, not much you can do besides spray on
the DEET, unless you want to walk around in the Caribbean fully
dressed from head to toe.  You can always stay away from the sand to
avoid a lot of the sand pests.

Roatan is the island best known for biting pests.  I don't recall
Belize being too bad, but then I've only gone in spring months.  Bug
conditions are always worse in the summer/fall rainy seasons.  Certain
times of the day, particular dawn and dusk, can be particular nasty,
so if you're really prone to getting bitten, you might want to stay
indoors at these hours (and miss happy hour at the pool bar!).

> I already know that I need to take precautions against malaria and
> mosquitoes, but I don't want to pay for a vacation that leaves me itching
> and scratching the entire trip.  What's with these mites she's talking
> about?

You can get stuff to stop the itching and scratching.  Old fashioned
calamine lotion still works, but leaves you with pink/white dots all
over your legs (not any less attractive than nasty red welts), but I
think there are topical antihistamines that can provide better and
more transparent relief.

> She already gets seasick, and is trying to convince me I will, too.  I've
> never been seasick in my life, and got her seasick last night just by
> talking about the boat going up and down, up and down, up and down.  I will
> admit it was kind off funny, but I just wanted to see how bad she was.

Seasickness is all in your head, especially your ears.  Those who have
known the misery don't like to repeat it.  It can be as bad as being
bedridden with a nasty flu or food poisoning.  But some people just
don't get seasick at all, and there is a large spectrum of
tolerances.  I personally fall somewhere in the middle, sometimes able
to get by in high seas with medication, or on small boats in medium
seas without medication, but occasionally something "bites" me and I
unexpectedly start feeling like I'd rather jump ship and drown.

> Anyway, what kind of horrors am I in for, or is she mostly full of it?  She
> was there 10 years ago.

Seasickness isn't limited to Belize, nor are bugs.  I've seen some
people bitten up pretty bad, but they still seemed to enjoy their
holidays even though they looked like a bad case of chickenpox.
Seasickness only affects you while you're on the water and it's
somewhat preventable in most people with various drugs, wrist bands,
or transdermal patches.  You won't know until you try.  I'd advise
making your first boat trips short in length and see how you do.  If
you find out you do get seasick within the first half-hour, you
probably don't want to be out for 6 hours.

It really does vary for everyone.  For instance, I do much better on
motorcraft than sailboats.  Something about how the boat moves in
response to the wind really gets my stomach in a lurch.  Take a good
selection of pills, patches, and bands, or borrow your girlfriend's.
It's best to start taking the pills hours before you get on the water,
some of us even start the night before an early morning boat ride.
The wrist torture device that zaps you into feeling better supposedly
works even after you've started feeling sick, but pills rarely do
since you just puke them up.

> Thanks, and getting a new girlfriend is not an option, however I will
> reexamine the situation after the trip. :-)

We're experts on everything here.  Send us detailed pictures of her
and we'll help you examine the situation and make the right choice.
(Might as well say that before Grumman beats me to it)
Sheldon - 29 Oct 2007 06:07 GMT
>> Okay, my girlfriend wants to go to Belize.  Not a problem, except that
>> now
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> and we'll help you examine the situation and make the right choice.
> (Might as well say that before Grumman beats me to it)

Thanks for the advice.  Not too worried about the seasickness.  Been on a
lot of boats, never had it, and used to deliver booze to small boats on a
moving dock in bad weather using a hand truck.  Never got sick or fell off
the dock.  But, there's always a first time for everything.
Matthias Voss - 28 Oct 2007 21:42 GMT
> Okay, my girlfriend wants to go to Belize.  Not a problem, except that now
> she's telling me that if we go to be prepared to be bit by every bug known
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> Thanks, and getting a new girlfriend is not an option, however I will
> reexamine the situation after the trip. :-)

Trade some bugs for a minor level of sea sickness.

Matthias
chilly - 28 Oct 2007 22:03 GMT
> Okay, my girlfriend wants to go to Belize.  Not a problem, except that now
> she's telling me that if we go to be prepared to be bit by every bug known
> to mankind, and some that aren't.  She's telling me I'm going to get bit by
> thousands of these little mites that you can't do anything about.

What time of year are you going?  Are you going in land for part of the
time?  Will you be staying on the beachside on windward side of the island?

> I already know that I need to take precautions against malaria and
> mosquitoes, but I don't want to pay for a vacation that leaves me itching
> and scratching the entire trip.  What's with these mites she's talking
> about?

She's talking about noseeum's (sandflies).  Little nasty buggars that you
don't particularly notice are biting you until the next morning when you
awake with a bunch of pin needle bullseye dots all over you.  Even at that
point, it is not too bad unless and until you have a reaction to the
bite(s).  When you do, they swell up with puss something like a chickenpox.
They can be itchy as all hell.  But do not scratch them!!  If you scratch
them, you will scar.  Take liquid benedryl and cortizone cream.

Try to avoid being out during sunrise and dusk.  Wear oily based repellent,
like skinsosoft and slather it liberally around your feet, ankles and
calves.  Use deet product elsewhere.  The noseeum's will drown in the oil.
At any time of day, don't stand around in seagrass that has been raked up
(or not raked up).  Watch yourself on wooden deck floors over sand.

One time last year, there was a woman standing next to me at the airport in
Houston.  She was an absolute mess.   Covered almost head to toe in bites,
scabs, blisters and her legs were practically raw.  She said it didn't stop
her from enjoying her holiday.  I was very nervous at that point since I was
just on my way down to Belize and she just on her way back.

However, I only got about 5 bites on that trip.  A record for me, I think.
I made sure I had my deet on at the right times.

Roatan, now that's a place that the bugs can get really bad.

> She already gets seasick, and is trying to convince me I will, too.  I've
> never been seasick in my life, and got her seasick last night just by
> talking about the boat going up and down, up and down, up and down.  I will
> admit it was kind off funny, but I just wanted to see how bad she was.

I don't get seasick.  OK, on very, very rare occasion, I may feel mild
nausea.  I'm sorry for your girlfriend, but if you don't have it, you don't
have it.  Get her some ginger, get her some wrist straps and get her some
dramamine, behind the ear patches and/or some gravol.  Whatever it takes.
:^)  Just make sure she takes her preventative prior to boarding the boat.
Once she starts to feel sick, it is too late.

> Anyway, what kind of horrors am I in for, or is she mostly full of it?  She
> was there 10 years ago.

You are going to love it!  Don't let the possibility of a bug bite or two
stop you.

> Thanks, and getting a new girlfriend is not an option, however I will
> reexamine the situation after the trip. :-)

:^)

> Sheldon
Sheldon - 29 Oct 2007 06:21 GMT
>> Okay, my girlfriend wants to go to Belize.  Not a problem, except that
>> now
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>
> :^)

Thanks.  I guess if I'm gonna dive I better get used to bugs and boats.

Sheldon
Curacao Sunshine - 29 Oct 2007 13:16 GMT
> >> Okay, my girlfriend wants to go to Belize.  Not a problem, except that
> >> now
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>
> - Show quoted text -

For what it's worth check out Ian Anderson's at Caves Branch. We spent
a couple days in the jungle and never had any complaints about the
bugs. There was a few on my snoring though. We slept in the mouth of a
cave and it echoed a bit! The thought of swimming with Whale Sharks
should leave the ones of insects far behind. I highly recommend a day
trip to Tikal as well. I will plug Roatan as a great place to visit
despite mention of bugs. My wife and I don't sit in the sun on the
beach so we don't have many bug problems. There are a couple Italian
lawyers on Roatan that have a cool shark dive. The white water just
outside La Ceba on the main land is great too.
Look around and you may find some cool things!!!!
chilly - 29 Oct 2007 21:36 GMT
> For what it's worth check out Ian Anderson's at Caves Branch. We spent
> a couple days in the jungle and never had any complaints about the
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> outside La Ceba on the main land is great too.
> Look around and you may find some cool things!!!!

Just for the record . . I would never discourage anyone from going to
Roatan!  Only encourage in spite of the bugs.  As for you two not having any
bug problems whilst on Roatan, it may have been more a factor of time of
year.

I've been there a number of different times, different months and the bug
situation varied.
Greg Mossman - 29 Oct 2007 21:55 GMT
> Just for the record . . I would never discourage anyone from going to
> Roatan!  Only encourage in spite of the bugs.  As for you two not having any
> bug problems whilst on Roatan, it may have been more a factor of time of
> year.

I wouldn't discourage people from going to Belize and Roatan either.
The more suckers that put up with the wind and the bugs, the fewer
that invade my paradise.
Chris Guynn - 30 Oct 2007 14:28 GMT
<snip>

> I don't get seasick.  OK, on very, very rare occasion, I may feel mild
> nausea.  I'm sorry for your girlfriend, but if you don't have it, you don't
> have it.  Get her some ginger, get her some wrist straps and get her some
> dramamine, behind the ear patches and/or some gravol.  Whatever it takes.
> :^)  Just make sure she takes her preventative prior to boarding the boat.
> Once she starts to feel sick, it is too late.

Do you think that wearing the banana helps?
chilly - 31 Oct 2007 05:42 GMT
> <snip>
>
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>
> Do you think that wearing the banana helps?

No.  The banana is only for keeping your head warm and/or keeping your hair
out of your eyes.
Paul Foley - 29 Oct 2007 02:14 GMT
> Okay, my girlfriend wants to go to Belize.  Not a problem, except that now
> she's telling me that if we go to be prepared to be bit by every bug known
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>
> Sheldon

Not everybody gets seasick. I've never been seasick in my life.  I find
it absolutely exhilerating pounding along in a small boat on a rough
day, with the wind in my hair (what little remains of it) watching
everyone else puke over the rail!

Remember there is a divine trade off. Either it will be windy, which
takes care of the bugs onshore but means the boat will be rolling and
pitching. Or it will be calm, which means flat seas but a feast for the
bugs.

And remember: when your're underwater there will be neither bugs nor waves!
Greg Mossman - 29 Oct 2007 03:41 GMT
> Not everybody gets seasick. I've never been seasick in my life.  I find
> it absolutely exhilerating pounding along in a small boat on a rough
> day, with the wind in my hair (what little remains of it) watching
> everyone else puke over the rail!

Bah.  If I ever see you on a diveboat and you're grinning while I'm
puking, I'm going to be aiming right at you.

> Remember there is a divine trade off. Either it will be windy, which
> takes care of the bugs onshore but means the boat will be rolling and
> pitching. Or it will be calm, which means flat seas but a feast for the
> bugs.

The worst of the tropical horrors can be sunburn.  That can really
make one's life miserable for a day or two if it hits bad enough.

> And remember: when your're underwater there will be neither bugs nor waves!

Maybe.  I've been in surge strong enough to make one seasick, and I've
been stung by plenty of things underwater that have created itchy
welts worse than any mosquito bite.  It all sucks.  Diving is a
dangerous hobby, plain and simple.  We divers are a macho bunch and,
to quote ESG, "very, very handsome".
Sheldon - 29 Oct 2007 06:14 GMT
>> Not everybody gets seasick. I've never been seasick in my life.  I find
>> it absolutely exhilerating pounding along in a small boat on a rough
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> dangerous hobby, plain and simple.  We divers are a macho bunch and,
> to quote ESG, "very, very handsome".

I'm aware of the sunburn (I live at 8000 feet).  As for stingy things
underwater I've yet to go diving in the ocean, but I'll be wearing a wetsuit
and plan on avoiding anything I've read about that stings.  Unfortunately I
can't wear the wetsuit walking around town or in bed.  Well, I guess I
could, but I won't. :-)
Dr Yak - 02 Nov 2007 01:24 GMT
OK you know to check out the CDC web site for where in Belize you're
going.  Some places have an issue with malaria, others don't.  There are
good meds to prevent that.  If you're at 8000 feet, your doctor may not
be familiar with all the issues.  Consider DAN.

Are you doing a land based trip or a live aboard?

I get sick looking at the ocean...sometimes.  Transdermal scopalmine
patch.  Put it behind my ear and I'm good for three days.  But if you're
on a caye and diving from shore, that might be overkill.  On my last
trip off Maryland I used it and only woke up from my post dive nap in
midair as we bounced along.  An alternative is a pill called scopace,
but a lot of doctors don't know anything about it.  Google it and ask
your girlfriend what she thinks would work better.

The diving off Ambergris Caye in Belize is wonderful.  It takes about a
10 minute ride on an outboard to get to the dive site.  Back to the dock
for a surface interval and out for the second dive.

> Okay, my girlfriend wants to go to Belize.  Not a problem, except that now
> she's telling me that if we go to be prepared to be bit by every bug known
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>
> Sheldon
Sheldon - 06 Nov 2007 06:44 GMT
> OK you know to check out the CDC web site for where in Belize you're
> going.  Some places have an issue with malaria, others don't.  There are
> good meds to prevent that.  If you're at 8000 feet, your doctor may not be
> familiar with all the issues.  Consider DAN.
>
> Are you doing a land based trip or a live aboard?

Mostly land based.  Not planning a live-aboard.

> I get sick looking at the ocean...sometimes.  Transdermal scopalmine
> patch.  Put it behind my ear and I'm good for three days.  But if you're
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> doctors don't know anything about it.  Google it and ask your girlfriend
> what she thinks would work better.

I'll check it out.  Thanks.

> The diving off Ambergris Caye in Belize is wonderful.  It takes about a 10
> minute ride on an outboard to get to the dive site.  Back to the dock for
> a surface interval and out for the second dive.

Sounds great, but my girlfriend won't go there.  Claims it's too buggy
there.  Personally, the idea of a 10 minute boat ride to get to a dive site
sounds great.  So does coming back to the dock for a rest between dives.

>> Okay, my girlfriend wants to go to Belize.  Not a problem, except that
>> now she's telling me that if we go to be prepared to be bit by every bug
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>>
>> Sheldon
chilly - 06 Nov 2007 09:05 GMT
(snip)> > The diving off Ambergris Caye in Belize is wonderful.  It takes
about a 10
> > minute ride on an outboard to get to the dive site.  Back to the dock for
> > a surface interval and out for the second dive.
>
> Sounds great, but my girlfriend won't go there.  Claims it's too buggy
> there.

Where is she comparing it to?  Also, the "bugginess" depends on a number of
factors and perhaps when she was there, all of the factors were in play.
I've been there many times, and have suffered a few times but usually when
it was a rainy time.  When the weather has been pretty good and there's a
breeze blowing, sometimes I get almost no bites at all and as long as I
remember to keep my DEET applied, the buggy problem is minimal.  Now, that's
in town.  Up island and on the west side of the island, that's another story
all together.

My first couple of times there, I did think it was pretty buggy, but that
was before I went to Roatan . .now I know what "buggy" is.  LOL.  OK, having
said that, the same thing applies in Roatan to a degree, as it does in San
Pedro.  Weather conditions, time of year, time of month, time of day,
location, etc. all dictate.  If you go and stand on a wooden floor, over
sand near a bunch of washed up seaweed at sundown . .yer just asking for it.
;^)

> Personally, the idea of a 10 minute boat ride to get to a dive site
> sounds great.  So does coming back to the dock for a rest between dives.

Yep, it's da bomb.  I can't believe she's not going to let you give it a
try.  Maybe you should extend your stay a bit, send her home early.

(snip)
EANX@electroniceditor.com - 21 Nov 2007 17:43 GMT
See if Glover's Reef is still in operation.  If so, book it.  Nice little
island right off the Belize coast.  Constant breeze means no bugs.  Last
time I was there visibility was unlimited, and the diving was awesome.
 
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