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Lee Bell - 13 Oct 2007 20:24 GMT
I have a HTC TyTn II phone. It's only recently been released in the UK and
has not yet been released here. Mine is a UK version. It's an unlocked quad
band GSM phone with a built in GPS, PDA and other features. I have service
with T-Mobil. The phone's only input/output port is a mini USB that provides
a computer to phone link, power in and audio out. It's Bluetooth and WiFi
enabled.

At present, I'm using Tom-Tom navigation software. It's fair to say I'm
dissatisfied, but for now, that's what is available.  Tom-Tom has verbal
commands that I can not hear adequately through the unit's speaker. I have a
car kit that provides power through the USB port and would provide an
external speaker if the phone had a headphone type jack. Since it doesn't,
the speaker does no good.

What I need is one of the following:
1. Something that will split the phone's mini USB port into a mini USB port
and headphone jack. So far, I've not found anything like that.
2. A Bluetooth A2DP compatible speaker or, better still, an A2DP/Hands free
Speakerphone. I confirmed directly with Motorola that nothing they offer has
that combination except their S9 stereo Bluetooth headphones. I have a set
of them, but they're not only illegal for driving in some states, they don't
make for good company when I'm not alone in the car.
3. A Bluetooth transmitter or other portable device that will transmit sound
to my car's existing sound system.
4. A phone holder/car kit that will power my phone and let me hear it, or
5. Anything that will accomplish the same goal.

Have at it.

Lee

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Lee Bell - 14 Oct 2007 01:46 GMT
I ran into someone while looking for the appropriate blue tooth speaker that
actually knew what he was talking about.

He suggested that I might be taking a wrong approach. He mentioned that
there were untilities that would redirect all sound to a hands free
earphone. He pointed me to the files. It works like a charm, well almost.

Here's the only remaining glitch. He pointed me to three executable files
that I was able to put on my phone and select via file explorer. I'm a bit
anal about things like this. I'd much prefer to access the files from the
programs menu. Anyone know how I do that?

Lee
Grumman-581 - 14 Oct 2007 02:24 GMT
> Here's the only remaining glitch. He pointed me to three executable files
> that I was able to put on my phone and select via file explorer. I'm a bit
> anal about things like this. I'd much prefer to access the files from the
> programs menu. Anyone know how I do that?

There should be a way to add files to the Programs menu... On my PDA,
you go to Start->Programs->eMenu->Create Shortcut...
Lee Bell - 14 Oct 2007 11:00 GMT
> There should be a way to add files to the Programs menu... On my PDA,
> you go to Start->Programs->eMenu->Create Shortcut...

There certainly should be a way and I'm a bit surprised it's not easy to
find, but I've not yet found it. There's no "eMenu" option on my Windows
Mobil 6 Professional PDA/Phone/GPS.

Lee
Grumman-581 - 14 Oct 2007 11:22 GMT
> There certainly should be a way and I'm a bit surprised it's not easy to
> find, but I've not yet found it. There's no "eMenu" option on my Windows
> Mobil 6 Professional PDA/Phone/GPS.

Microsoft probably moved it to a different menu... They like to do
things like that from one version of the O/S to another so you will
actually think that you're buying something different than you already
have...

On my PDA, I can go into File Explorer, browse to My
Device->Windows->StartMenu->Programs and then by putting the stylus in
the whitespace on the screen, bring up the popup menu and select
"Paste Shortcut"...
Lee Bell - 14 Oct 2007 12:59 GMT
> On my PDA, I can go into File Explorer, browse to My
> Device->Windows->StartMenu->Programs and then by putting the stylus in
> the whitespace on the screen, bring up the popup menu and select
> "Paste Shortcut"...

It didn't turn out to be quite that easy, but you put me on the right track.
For those who have similar issues, here's what I did:
1. Instead of the Windows Mobile File Explorer, I used my desktop explorer
through the active sync screen. That gave me options I did not have
otherwise.
2. I found my executable files and created a shortcut for each of them. This
was "right click" easy using my desktop's explorer. I did not find the same
feature in Windows.
3. I copied those shortcuts to the StartMenu folder. My TyTn II includes a
quick start menu for programs used frequently. I added the Bluetooth toggle
to that, making it easier still to switch between internal and Bluetooth
sound.

Thanks Mike. As usual, rec.scuba proved to be the place for answers, even
those not even remotely related to scuba.

Lee
Grumman-581 - 14 Oct 2007 21:19 GMT
> Thanks Mike. As usual, rec.scuba proved to be the place for answers, even
> those not even remotely related to scuba.

It's not so much important to know the answer to everything, but
rather where to find the answers...

Or who to blame when you can't find the answers...

<grin>

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Carl Nisarel - 15 Oct 2007 14:07 GMT
Mike Shelley aka Grumman-581 whined:

> It's not so much important to know the answer to everything, but
> rather where to find the answers...

What answers did you give to the Canadian Border guards when they
questioned you about your false claim that you brought your handgun
with you to Toronto?
George Cathcart - 14 Oct 2007 21:56 GMT
> Thanks Mike. As usual, rec.scuba proved to be the place for answers, even
> those not even remotely related to scuba.
>
> Lee

You misspelled "especially..."

gc
Grumman-581 - 14 Oct 2007 22:11 GMT
> You misspelled "especially..."

Actually, Lee's question got me to thinking... One of the things that
I hate about Grace's phone is that you cannot plug it into a power
adapter (AC or car) and use a headphone with it at the same time... I
though that was a really braindead idea by Motorola (she has a
RAZR)... As it turns out, with one of these devices, I could run a
normal 2.5mm headset and still be able to use the mini USB port for
power...
Grumman-581 - 14 Oct 2007 02:41 GMT
> What I need is one of the following:
> 1. Something that will split the phone's mini USB port into a mini USB port
> and headphone jack. So far, I've not found anything like that.

Something like this?

http://www.amazon.com/3-5mm-Stereo-Multi-Adapter-T-Mobile-Sprint/dp/B000UHY6XU

Actually, you would be needing a 2.5mm adapter, but there are 3.5 to
2.5 mm adapters available if they don't make this same product in
2.5mm...
Lee Bell - 14 Oct 2007 11:19 GMT
> Something like this?

> http://www.amazon.com/3-5mm-Stereo-Multi-Adapter-T-Mobile-Sprint/dp/B000UHY6XU

> Actually, you would be needing a 2.5mm adapter, but there are 3.5 to
> 2.5 mm adapters available if they don't make this same product in
> 2.5mm...

Not something like that, exactly like that. I also bought a simple mini usb
to headphone adapter for use in planes. Thanks.

Lee
Grumman-581 - 14 Oct 2007 11:23 GMT
> Not something like that, exactly like that. I also bought a simple mini usb
> to headphone adapter for use in planes. Thanks.

Just remember that there are mini and micro USB plugs... You might
need to count the pins in it to verify that you are ordering exactly
what you have on your device...
Lee Bell - 14 Oct 2007 13:03 GMT
>> Not something like that, exactly like that. I also bought a simple mini
>> usb
>> to headphone adapter for use in planes. Thanks.

> Just remember that there are mini and micro USB plugs... You might
> need to count the pins in it to verify that you are ordering exactly
> what you have on your device...

I'm not real concerned for two reasons. First, everything plus shipping is
less than $25. Not much is at risk. Second, several of the phones listed for
the adapter are made by the same company that made mine. I searched all over
the web for devices you located in just a few minutes. I just didn't have
the right search terms. Nice work. Thanks.

If you're interested in the files I found to divert all phone sounds,
including Windows Media, navigation, etc., to a Bluetooth headset, let me
know. I have them in a zip file. Zipped or not, they're small.

Lee
Grumman-581 - 14 Oct 2007 21:26 GMT
> I searched all over the web for devices you located in just a
> few minutes. I just didn't have the right search terms. Nice
> work. Thanks.

Google search for "mini usb adapter"... Probably came back on the 3rd
or so page..

> If you're interested in the files I found to divert all phone sounds,
> including Windows Media, navigation, etc., to a Bluetooth headset, let me
> know. I have them in a zip file. Zipped or not, they're small.

Thanks, but my PDA doesn't do Bluetooth... It has a 2.5mm headphone
port that works well enough once I add the 2.5mm to 3.5mm adapter to
it... My Blackberry does Bluetooth, but it only gets used when I'm in
Grace's car since it is integrated into the car's audio system for
handsfree cell phone capability... I'm not a big fan of Bluetooth
headsets since it is just one more thing that I need to keep charged
up...
Lee Bell - 15 Oct 2007 15:59 GMT
> Thanks, but my PDA doesn't do Bluetooth... It has a 2.5mm headphone
> port that works well enough once I add the 2.5mm to 3.5mm adapter to
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> headsets since it is just one more thing that I need to keep charged
> up...

I like the Bluetooth capability, particularly since the law here is that you
can only use a phone while driving if you use a hands free device. There are
other options, but Bluetooth is an acceptable one . . . except in airplanes,
which is why I purchased the headphone adapter too.

Interestingly, I really wanted Bluetooth and WiFi. My desire was based on
the fact that my previous phone was not worth a darn for internet access,
even though I had a data access plan, and that my PDA, which was good for
internet access, could not communicate by phone or WiFi (I had a WiFi card,
but using it meant I had to remove my storage card). With the new phone, I
have everything and find that I don't care as much as I thought I would.

Bluetooth is still nice since it lets me go hands free without carrying
extra stuff when I travel by air, my most usual means of travel. I'm
considering a clip on the visor hands free speaker/microphone instead of the
earbud, but the earbud seems to work OK too. It has enough power for a
couple days use between charges and uses the same charger as my phone. The
phone is not good for much over a day's use and not even that if I'm using
the GPS feature. The WiFi is not as significant as I expected because the
device I use for my hand held data access, the phone, is also the device I
use to connect for data. I only turn the WiFi on (big power user) when I'm
out of range of my phone, something that happens a lot with T-Mobil, or when
there's a significant speed advantage someplace I'm going to be for a while,
like in range of my home network, in airports, and in some restaurants.

Lee
Dillon Pyron - 20 Oct 2007 18:51 GMT
>> Not something like that, exactly like that. I also bought a simple mini usb
>> to headphone adapter for use in planes. Thanks.
>
>Just remember that there are mini and micro USB plugs... You might
>need to count the pins in it to verify that you are ordering exactly
>what you have on your device...

Yeah.  Carol's Sony camera has a mini.  My Sony (an Alpha) has a
micro.  Her laptop, an HP we bought in June 2006, has a Sony MS
reader, but won't read CF, or MS Pro (the two memory choices for the
Alpha).  So we have to lug at least one cord.  And two chargers,
although my batter is supposedly good for 750 shots.

I'm still learning my new camera.  I got a really good deal from B&H.

My 500 is now a 750.  The problem is my 50 is now a 75.  So I need
something like a 28.  Another lens.  What a shame.
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Grumman-581 - 20 Oct 2007 19:57 GMT
> I'm still learning my new camera.  I got a really good deal from B&H.
>
> My 500 is now a 750.  The problem is my 50 is now a 75.  So I need
> something like a 28.  Another lens.  What a shame.

It's easy enough to find a longer / more powerful magnification
lense... The wide angle ones are a bit more difficult though...
Whereas an 18mm lens might have been previously acceptable with 35mm
film photography, it's now not quite wide enough for the same type
photos... I wish the digital SLR industry had all gone with full frame
sensors...
Dillon Pyron - 23 Oct 2007 18:37 GMT
>> I'm still learning my new camera.  I got a really good deal from B&H.
>>
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>photos... I wish the digital SLR industry had all gone with full frame
>sensors...

I just saw where Canon has a new camera that does that. Can't remember
the model number.  But do remember the price.  $5000!!!!!
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Grumman-581 - 23 Oct 2007 20:45 GMT
> I just saw where Canon has a new camera that does that. Can't remember
> the model number.  But do remember the price.  $5000!!!!!

It's the Canon 5D... B&H Photo has it for $2200 (body only)... More
than I'm willing to spend on a camera body, especially since I don't
have any Canon lenses that I want to retain my investment in...
Grumman-581 - 14 Oct 2007 09:25 GMT
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Or maybe something like this:

http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=15367

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