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30-year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War

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RecScubaPoster - 10 Oct 2007 04:33 GMT
30-year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261
Conshelf - 10 Oct 2007 15:00 GMT
In rec.scuba, on Tue 09 Oct 2007 10:33:00p, RecScubaPoster
<recscubaposter@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 30-year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War
>
> http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261

Why is it that the Mac seems to attract so many idiots?  Is it that the Mac
causes them to be idiots or is it because idiots don't know any better and
are attracted to Macs?
RecScubaPoster - 12 Oct 2007 17:26 GMT
> In rec.scuba, on Tue 09 Oct 2007 10:33:00p, RecScubaPoster
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> causes them to be idiots or is it because idiots don't know any better and
> are attracted to Macs?

It's the title of an article fuckwit.
George Cathcart - 10 Oct 2007 16:45 GMT
> 30-year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War
>
> http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261

Your math is a bit off. Aug. 4, 1964 was more than 40 years ago....

gc
RecScubaPoster - 12 Oct 2007 17:20 GMT
On Oct 10, 10:45 am, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > 30-year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> gc

It's the title of an article fuckwit.
Grumman-581 - 12 Oct 2007 19:14 GMT
> It's the title of an article fuckwit.

So, if they can't even do simple math correctly, you think that
anything else they say would be more accurate?

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me off."

RecScubaPoster - 12 Oct 2007 21:00 GMT
On Oct 12, 1:14 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-
gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:20:55 -0700, RecScubaPoster
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> So, if they can't even do simple math correctly, you think that
> anything else they say would be more accurate?

Their arithmetic was spot on fuckwit.
Grumman-581 - 12 Oct 2007 21:10 GMT
> Their arithmetic was spot on fuckwit.

Oh, so it's just an old fuckin' article that you posted without
correcting the date / elapsed time on... OK, perhaps their date
calculations don't make them an idiot... Unfortunately, you can't use
that same excuse...

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Scott - 12 Oct 2007 21:24 GMT
> > Their arithmetic was spot on fuckwit.
>
> Oh, so it's just an old fuckin' article that you posted without
> correcting the date / elapsed time on... OK, perhaps their date
> calculations don't make them an idiot... Unfortunately, you can't use
> that same excuse...

I see Carl is back in full bloom.

Still hiding in his momma's basement, afraid of the light of day like the
other cockroaches.
RecScubaPoster - 13 Oct 2007 00:00 GMT
> > > Their arithmetic was spot on fuckwit.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Still hiding in his momma's basement, afraid of the light of day like the
> other cockroaches.

When do you arrive in Bagdad bad boy? They have work for badassed
bounty hunters like you. Maybe you could retire and not live off
your puppies...
Carl Nisarel - 14 Oct 2007 20:43 GMT
rec.scuba's resident pussy Scott whined:

> I see Carl is back in full bloom.

I haven't posted in quite some time, pussy. But it's time to come
back and smack you and Fatboy around for a while. Cheap
entertainment.

But I see that you're still so scared of me that you think that
other posters are me.

Now, run along and post under my nym, pussy.

Don't forget to change the newserver so you aren't posting under
your whidbey.com account in the x-headers.
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 14 Oct 2007 22:22 GMT
> rec.scuba's resident pussy Scott whined:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> But I see that you're still so scared of me that you think that
> other posters are me.

*No one* is "scared" of you little girl.

You are zit on the a.s of Usenet.

It gives you the chance to be the bully you cant be in real life.

> Now, run along and post under my nym, pussy.

You don't tell me what to do, dickhead.

> Don't forget to change the newserver so you aren't posting under
> your whidbey.com account in the x-headers.

How's this, you slimy, lying little piece of sh.t?

There were several people pounding you like the cheap meat you are,
from all over the world.

Glad to know it got up your a.s with a candle on it.

BTW, I was up diving the Sunshine Coast a couple weeks ago.

Too bad the Canadians let sh.t like you breathe their air.
Carl Nisarel - 14 Oct 2007 22:55 GMT
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com sexually stimulated me with:

> *No one* is "scared" of you little girl.

You are, otherwise you would meet me at the local glory hole.

> You are zit on the a.s of Usenet.

Oh, I love it when you talk dirty to me Scotty.  Please!  I want to have
your love child!

> It gives you the chance to be the bully you cant be in real life.

I let the little boys bully me while they stick their little dicks up my
a.s.  Does that count?

> There were several people pounding you like the cheap meat you are,
> from all over the world.
>
> Glad to know it got up your a.s with a candle on it.

A candle up my a.s?  Ooooh, I'm all wet just thinking about it.
Carl Nisarel - 15 Oct 2007 14:00 GMT
Posting under my nym, rec.scuba's resident pussy Scott wrote:

> pugetsounddiver@gmail.com sexually stimulated himself with:

As I predicted, Scotty can't control himself.
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 19 Oct 2007 21:43 GMT
> Posting under my nym, rec.scuba's resident pussy Scott wrote:
>
> > pugetsounddi...@gmail.com sexually stimulated himself with:
>
> As I predicted, Scotty can't control himself.

There are at least three people (not discounting every other person
who reads this NG) here who know what a complete jackass you are;

The person who is actually posting in your name, me and you.

Sure is fun watching you flop around though.
Carl Nisarel - 15 Oct 2007 13:59 GMT
rec.scuba's resident pussy Scott whined:

> On Oct 14, 12:43 pm, Carl Nisarel <hostl.bud...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> *No one* is "scared" of you

You demonstrated it when you ran from meeting me at the Peace
Arch. It was hilarious to watch your butt buddies try to help
you out.

...

> It gives you the chance to be the bully you cant be in real
> life.

Scotty projects his own inadequacies.

>> Now, run along and post under my nym, pussy.
>
> You don't tell me what to do,

Yet you did it anyway. You're such a predictable pussy.

..

>> Don't forget to change the newserver so you aren't posting
>> under your whidbey.com account in the x-headers.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> There were several people pounding you like the cheap meat you
> are, from all over the world.

You're a very confused pussy as well.

...

> BTW, I was up diving the Sunshine Coast a couple weeks ago.

And you were too frightened to let me know ahead of time so I
could travel across Georgia Straight to meet you.

Did you remember to tell the Canadian Border guards that you
were hiding firearms in your car?

Or did you leave them behind because you were too scared of them
to 'prove' that you have the right to bear arms?
RecScubaPoster - 12 Oct 2007 23:51 GMT
On Oct 12, 3:10 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-
gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:00:19 -0700, RecScubaPoster
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> --
> "I'd insult you, but you're not bright enough to notice."

It was the title of the article fuckwit.
crownfield - 13 Oct 2007 00:25 GMT
-On Oct 12, 3:10 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-
-gmail.com> wrote:
-> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:00:19 -0700, RecScubaPoster
->
-> <recscubapos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
-> > Their arithmetic was spot on fuckwit.
->
-> Oh, so it's just an old fuckin' article that you posted without
-> correcting the date / elapsed time on... OK, perhaps their date
-> calculations don't make them an idiot... Unfortunately, you can't use
-> that same excuse...
->
-> --
-> "I'd insult you, but you're not bright enough to notice."
-
-It was the title of the article fuckwit.

"I'd insult you, but you're not bright enough to notice."

-
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crownfield - 13 Oct 2007 00:23 GMT
-On Oct 12, 1:14 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-
-gmail.com> wrote:
-> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:20:55 -0700, RecScubaPoster
->
-> <recscubapos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
-> > It's the title of an article fuckwit.
->
-> So, if they can't even do simple math correctly, you think that
-> anything else they say would be more accurate?
-
-Their arithmetic was spot on fuckwit.

right, WitLess
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dazed and confuzzed - 13 Oct 2007 01:17 GMT
> On Oct 12, 1:14 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-
> gmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Their arithmetic was spot on fuckwit.

You are starting to sound like Carl Nisarel

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But - there is a point where criticism, even offered in the guise of
love, moves past the point of correction and to the point of
destruction. It's a subtle line, but it exists.

Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 13 Oct 2007 11:17 GMT
>> On Oct 12, 1:14 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-
>> gmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> You are starting to sound like Carl Nisarel

 I once had a basic respect for suds/Eric, but lately you can't tell the
two of them apart.

 They're in the hole.

 I hope the Dems win the next election, or Eric will be as far gone as
charliekeys.
George Cathcart - 12 Oct 2007 19:56 GMT
> On Oct 10, 10:45 am, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> It's the title of an article fuckwit.

It's also the subject matter of your post. You chose that after
posting an article that is 13 years old. What was the point?

Don't get me wrong, I happen to be one who is appalled by the Tonkin
lie and everything that followed, but I fail to see the point or
context of this posting at this time. You might just as well have
posted something about Custer's stupidity at Little Big Horn.

gc
RecScubaPoster - 12 Oct 2007 21:05 GMT
> > On Oct 10, 10:45 am, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> gc

Your  inability to place it the context of current events doesn't
surprise
me one little bit fuckwit.
Grumman-581 - 12 Oct 2007 21:14 GMT
> Your  inability to place it the context of current events doesn't
> surprise me one little bit fuckwit.

"I'd like to see it from your viewpoint, but I can't get my head that
far up my a.s"
RecScubaPoster - 12 Oct 2007 23:57 GMT
On Oct 12, 3:14 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-
gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:05:14 -0700, RecScubaPoster
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> "I'd like to see it from your viewpoint, but I can't get my head that
> far up my a.s"

"Youd hafta pull ya head outta ya c.nt before you cun stick it
up ya a.s.  Tha ain't hapnin punk."
crownfield - 13 Oct 2007 00:26 GMT
-On Oct 12, 3:14 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-
-gmail.com> wrote:
-> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:05:14 -0700, RecScubaPoster
->
-> <recscubapos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
-> > Your  inability to place it the context of current events doesn't
-> > surprise me one little bit fuckwit.
->
-> "I'd like to see it from your viewpoint, but I can't get my head that
-> far up my a.s"
-
-"Youd hafta pull ya head outta ya c.nt before you cun stick it
-up ya a.s.  Tha ain't hapnin punk."

... said the anonymous blowhard...

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George Cathcart - 12 Oct 2007 21:53 GMT
> > > On Oct 10, 10:45 am, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> surprise
> me one little bit fuckwit.

Look, genius, you are the one who posted the link to a 13 year old
article, titled your post "30-Year Anniversary" and made no comment
about it. I can see the context very clearly, probably better than you
can. I also happen to be very opposed to the current war. And I'm
embarrassed by anonymous little tourette's patients like you. I guess
you would be the left's version of scott.

gc
chilly - 12 Oct 2007 21:56 GMT
> Look, genius, you are the one who posted the link to a 13 year old
> article, titled your post "30-Year Anniversary" and made no comment
> about it. I can see the context very clearly, probably better than you
> can. I also happen to be very opposed to the current war. And I'm
> embarrassed by anonymous little tourette's patients like you. I guess
> you would be the left's version of scott.

Certainly the same vocubulary and temperment.
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 14 Oct 2007 22:26 GMT
> > Look, genius, you are the one who posted the link to a 13 year old
> > article, titled your post "30-Year Anniversary" and made no comment
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Certainly the same vocubulary and temperment.

Another cheapo drive by.

You people are simply amazing.
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 14 Oct 2007 22:25 GMT
> > > > On Oct 10, 10:45 am, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> gc

Oh goodie, more cheap shots from the cheap seats.

It's Scott, a.shole.

And "Carl" doesn't have the balls to use his real name.

I pegged you dead on long ago.
George Cathcart - 15 Oct 2007 12:18 GMT
On Oct 14, 5:25 pm, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > > > On Oct 10, 10:45 am, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> Oh goodie, more cheap shots from the cheap seats.

I bet I paid as much for my seat as you did for yours.

> It's Scott, a.shole.

You left out "aka"

gc
Carl Nisarel - 15 Oct 2007 14:05 GMT
rec.scuba's resident pussy Scott whined:

> And "Carl" doesn't have the balls to use his real name.

Aww, poor Scotty.

He's still hurting after running away from my invitation to meet at
the Peace Arch.

BTW, pussy, how do you know whether or not I use my real name since
you've never met me?
crownfield - 13 Oct 2007 00:22 GMT
-On Oct 10, 10:45 am, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com>
-wrote:
->
-> > 30-year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War
->
-> >http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261
->
-> Your math is a bit off. Aug. 4, 1964 was more than 40 years ago....
->
-> gc
-
-It's the title of an article fuckwit.

hey yourself, fuckwitless.
the number is still wrong.

your choice of authors shows your standards, or lack thereof.

-

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Scott - 14 Oct 2007 02:01 GMT
<chop the typical Nisarel vomit>

> -It's the title of an article fuckwit.
>
> hey yourself, fuckwitless.
> the number is still wrong.
>
> your choice of authors shows your standards, or lack thereof.

Annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in
the armed forces from 1980 through 2004:
    1980 .......... 2,392
    1981 .......... 2,380
    1982 .......... 2,318
    1983 .......... 2,465
    1984 .......... 1,999
    1985 .......... 2,252
    1986 .......... 1,984
    1987 .......... 1,983
    1988 .......... 1,819
    1989 .......... 1,636
    1990 .......... 1,508
    1991 .......... 1,787
    1992 .......... 1,293
    1993 .......... 1,213
    1994 .......... 1,075
    1995 .......... 1,040
    1996 .......... 974
    1997 .......... 817
    1998 .......... 826
    1999 .......... 795
    2000 .......... 774
    2001 .......... 890
    2002 .......... 1007
    2003 .......... 1,410 ----- 534*
    2004 .......... 1,887 ----- 900*
    2005 .......... 919*
    2006 .......... 920*
* Figures are Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom
fatalities only.

Does this really mean that the loss from the two current conflicts in
the Middle East are LESS than the loss of military personnel during
Mr. Clinton's presidency?
Were we at war?

Now, are you confused when you look at these figures?

Especially look at 1980, during the reign of President "Nobel
Peace Prize, Jimmy Carter" himself, there were 2,392 US military
fatalities.

What this clearly indicates is that our media and our liberal
politicians pick and choose, and they tend to present only those facts
that support their agenda driven reporting.

Another fact our left media and politicians like to slant is that
these brave men and women losing their lives are minorities.   Wrong
again - The latest census shows the following:

    European descent (white) ... 69.12%
    Hispanic .. 12.5%
    African American ..... 12.3%
    Asian ..... 3.7%
    Native American ..... 1.0%
    Other ..... 2.6%

    Now, the fatalities over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom
are:
    European descent (white) ..... 74.31%
    Hispanic ..... 10.74%
    African American ..... 9.67%
    Asian ..... 1.81%
    Native American ... .. 1.09%
    Other ..... 2.33%

    These statistics are published by DOD and may be viewed at:

    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
Greg Mossman - 14 Oct 2007 06:45 GMT
> What this clearly indicates is that our media and our liberal
> politicians pick and choose, and they tend to present only those facts
> that support their agenda driven reporting.

Exactly.

For instance, look at Table 6 in your cite(http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/
natsec/RL32492.pdf)

It shows number of wounded from Operation Oil Freedom at 23,417, and
number of amputations at 472.  In the Korean War, there were 103,284
wounded and 1,477 amputations.  Therefore we've already run up a fifth
of the wounded toll and a fourth of the amputation toll of the entire
Korean War.  And that was a real war.  At least the kids in that war
lost their legs for something meaningful, i.e. ensuring South Korea
stayed free long enough to undercut the U.S. steel industry and bring
down the entire industrial half of the military-industrial complex.

"There is no question that America is living a nightmare with no end
in sight" -- Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, Ret., former commander of all
U.S. forces in Iraq.
chilly - 14 Oct 2007 10:09 GMT
> > What this clearly indicates is that our media and our liberal
> > politicians pick and choose, and they tend to present only those facts
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> of the wounded toll and a fourth of the amputation toll of the entire
> Korean War.  And that was a real war.

Hmmm . . as I understood it, mayhap the Koreans called it a war, but the
'mercans called it a police action or the Korean conflict to avoid
polictical ramifications.

>At least the kids in that war
> lost their legs for something meaningful, i.e. ensuring South Korea
> stayed free long enough to undercut the U.S. steel industry and bring
> down the entire industrial half of the military-industrial complex.

> "There is no question that America is living a nightmare with no end
> in sight" -- Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, Ret., former commander of all
> U.S. forces in Iraq.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 14 Oct 2007 10:55 GMT
>> What this clearly indicates is that our media and our liberal
>> politicians pick and choose, and they tend to present only those facts
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> of the wounded toll and a fourth of the amputation toll of the entire
> Korean War.

 Liberal logic at it's finest.

 Ah.... do you know how long the Korean Conflict was, or are you trying to
make Scott's argument for him?

 Thanks for pointing out that we've got 80% less casualties than an
excursion that was half as long.

 We lost about 6600 Marines in 36 days on Iwo.

 Good luck with the election.

>  And that was a real war.  At least the kids in that war
> lost their legs for something meaningful, i.e. ensuring South Korea
> stayed free long enough to undercut the U.S. steel industry and bring
> down the entire industrial half of the military-industrial complex.
Scott - 14 Oct 2007 11:56 GMT
>   Liberal logic at it's finest.

Talk about "mutually exclusive";

Liberal

Logic

Finest

>   Ah.... do you know how long the Korean Conflict was, or are you trying to
> make Scott's argument for him?

Like always...

>   Thanks for pointing out that we've got 80% less casualties than an
> excursion that was half as long.
>
>   We lost about 6600 Marines in 36 days on Iwo.

Dont bore him with petty details, he is busy spinning another lie.

>   Good luck with the election.

I cant wait.

Wonder what they'll blame it on this time...
Greg Mossman - 14 Oct 2007 17:36 GMT
> >   Good luck with the election.
>
> I cant wait.
>
> Wonder what they'll blame it on this time...

So which one of the four conservative rich white guys are you rooting
for, the corrupt pro-choice Italian, the flip-flopping Mormon, the
Arizona guy running for his 15th time or so, or the guy who plays a
real politician on TV?

"Without reservation or any hesitation I am proud to endorse Hillary
Clinton to be the next Democratic nominee to be president of the
United States" -- Rep. John Lewis.

(The son of sharecroppers, Lewis, 67, rose to fame as one of the
"Freedom Riders" promoting civil rights in the South. He was badly
beaten by police during a nonviolent civil rights march from Selma to
Montgomery, Ala., in 1961, and still bears scars from the experience.
Lewis also served as director of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating
Committee, one of the major civil rights organizations of the era. He
was elected to Congress in 1986.)

Will Republicans rally aroud a pro-choice pro-gay candidate with
serious family values issues in his own family and hauntings of shady
business dealings in his past?  Will they choose a Mormon instead,
someone who used to be pro-gay when it was politically expedient, but
now is anti-gay because it's politically expedient?  What about John
McCain who's run in every single presidential primary since George
Washington's time?

Naw, it will probably be the standard Republican default candidate:
when in doubt, choose an actor.  Worked for Reagan, worked for Arnie,
why not Thompson?  As Dan Bartlett put it, the campaign's biggest dud.

The most recent poll is by NPR (Oct. 4-7), showing Hillary over Rudy
47 to 44, Hillary over Fred 50 to 42.  The generic "Democrat" over the
generic "Republican" by an overwhelming 49 to 36 with 13% unsure, and
other polls have already indicated the undecideds are leaning Democrat
these days.

Rudy is already down by 3 and that's before the national campaign
publicizes all the dirt against him.  That's the best thing about
Hillary - all the dirt's already out there and she's still ahead.

Madam President in 2008!
Grumman-581 - 14 Oct 2007 21:32 GMT
> So which one of the four conservative rich white guys are you rooting
> for, the corrupt pro-choice Italian, the flip-flopping Mormon, the
> Arizona guy running for his 15th time or so, or the guy who plays a
> real politician on TV?

Here's a nice review of them:
http://www.gunowners.org/pres08/index.html

From Huckabee's page, he doesn't look that bad... If he wasn't from
Arkansas, he would be better though...
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 15 Oct 2007 16:16 GMT
> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in

>>   Good luck with the election.
>
> I cant wait.
>
> Wonder what they'll blame it on this time...

 They'll petrify, or supernova...

 "charleykeys syndrome"...
Greg Mossman - 14 Oct 2007 17:15 GMT
On Oct 14, 2:55 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"

>   Thanks for pointing out that we've got 80% less casualties than an
> excursion that was half as long.

But that was a real war.  We're not fighting anyone in Iraq now.  The
war part is over, Bush declared victory, we got Saddam.  And they've
stressed over and over again there's no civil war going on, just a
little bit of insurgency.  We're merely occupiers of occupied
territory, dying for the "cause" whatever that is.

>   Good luck with the election.

Thanks.  Congratulations on your fellow Tennesseean winning the Peace
Prize.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 15 Oct 2007 16:19 GMT
> On Oct 14, 2:55 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
>
>>   Thanks for pointing out that we've got 80% less casualties than an
>> excursion that was half as long.
>
> But that was a real war.  We're not fighting anyone in Iraq now.

 Brilliant psywar.

 They're killing each other at breakneck speed.

 Better 'n free beer.

>The war part is over, Bush declared victory, we got Saddam.

 Like he said, yup.

>  And they've
> stressed over and over again there's no civil war going on, just a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks.  Congratulations on your fellow Tennesseean winning the Peace
> Prize.

 Like Arafat, right? ;-)
Carl Nisarel - 15 Oct 2007 16:43 GMT
Douglas W. "Fatboy" Frederick sputtered:

rec.scuba's resident pussy Scotty Koplin whined:

>> But that was a real war.  We're not fighting anyone in Iraq now.

Yet US military troops are engaged in fighting and US military
troops are getting killed.

Scotty's rather confused.

>   Brilliant psywar.
>
>   They're killing each other at breakneck speed.

It figures you'd support genocide.
Chris Guynn - 15 Oct 2007 21:06 GMT
> Douglas W. "Fatboy" Frederick sputtered:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Yet US military troops are engaged in fighting and US military
> troops are getting killed.

Not real good at attribution, are you?

> Scotty's rather confused.

Scotty's not the only one, apparently.
Scott - 15 Oct 2007 16:55 GMT
"Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:

>   Better 'n free beer.

When's the next time you're going come over and get some?
Lee Bell - 15 Oct 2007 18:53 GMT
>>   Better 'n free beer.

> When's the next time you're going come over and get some?

Speaking of which, Doug spent the night here last night and, between us, we
didn't drink a drop of alcoholic beverage. Where did my host skills go?

By the way, Doug, you left your Streets & Trips software sitting on the
couch. Let me know how and how quickly to bet get it back to you.

Lee
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 15 Oct 2007 22:09 GMT
>>>   Better 'n free beer.
>
>> When's the next time you're going come over and get some?
>
> Speaking of which, Doug spent the night here last night and, between us,
> we didn't drink a drop of alcoholic beverage.

 We were so full, it woulda had to be taken intravenously.

 Blows a lotta pre-conceived notions around here, tho...  ;-)

>Where did my host skills go?

 Perfect as always!

> By the way, Doug, you left your Streets & Trips software sitting on the
> couch. Let me know how and how quickly to bet get it back to you.
>
> Lee

 Keep it and I'll git me a nuthern ('08, when she's ready).

 It's worth it's weight in gold.

 Thanks for dinner, and everything!!!
Curtis - 15 Oct 2007 22:48 GMT
>  Blows a lotta pre-conceived notions around here, tho...  ;-)

   Not completely.   ;-)

Curtis
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 16 Oct 2007 01:32 GMT
>>  Blows a lotta pre-conceived notions around here, tho...  ;-)
>
>    Not completely.   ;-)
>
> Curtis

 Maaaan, I'm right up in your neighborhood again!

 And thanks for dinner, too!
Curtis - 16 Oct 2007 04:26 GMT
>  Maaaan, I'm right up in your neighborhood again!

   Looking for the blonde barmaid?  :-D

>  And thanks for dinner, too!

   NP, enjoyed the surprise visit.

Curtis
Lee Bell - 16 Oct 2007 00:25 GMT
>  Keep it and I'll git me a nuthern ('08, when she's ready).
>  It's worth it's weight in gold.

Thanks.

>  Thanks for dinner, and everything!!!

Anytime. It was our pleasure.

Lee
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 16 Oct 2007 00:53 GMT
> >>   Better 'n free beer.
> > When's the next time you're going come over and get some?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Lee

That was Nisarel posting in my name.
Lee Bell - 16 Oct 2007 00:57 GMT
> That was Nisarel posting in my name.

I know, but I'm still married and still had to decline.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 15 Oct 2007 18:21 GMT
On Oct 15, 8:19 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
<Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:

> > On Oct 14, 2:55 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>   They're killing each other at breakneck speed.

They're getting better at what they do and they're recruiting more and
more anti-Americans each day.  If Bush's purpose in invading Iraq was
to sustain world terrorism sufficiently to keep the money flowing into
his supporters' coffers, he did a great job.

>   Better 'n free beer.

Unfortunately it ain't free.  Bush's little war to promote terrorism
has cost us patriotic taxpayers hundreds of billions, going on a
trillion.  So much for Social Security.  We should send our future
retirees to Iraq where it's nice and sunny - they sure won't be able
to afford Scottsdale or Boca.

> > Thanks.  Congratulations on your fellow Tennesseean winning the Peace
> > Prize.
>
>   Like Arafat, right? ;-)

What do you expect from a guy who made his money blowing stuff up?
Chris Guynn - 15 Oct 2007 21:08 GMT
> On Oct 15, 8:19 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
> <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> retirees to Iraq where it's nice and sunny - they sure won't be able
> to afford Scottsdale or Boca.

Ha, like social security is supposed to be a retirement plan... that's
pretty funny.  Maybe you actually *should* consider giving up your day job.
Lee Bell - 15 Oct 2007 22:07 GMT
>> We should send our future retirees to Iraq where it's nice and sunny -
>> they sure won't be able
>> to afford Scottsdale or Boca.

You mean all the Mexicans you think should get social security and other
public benefits without ever having paid into them?

Sounds like a plan to me.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 16 Oct 2007 00:21 GMT
> >> We should send our future retirees to Iraq where it's nice and sunny -
> >> they sure won't be able
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Sounds like a plan to me.

When did I ever suggest Mexicans should get Social Security without
having paid into it?  They should be treated exactly like other
employees: if they pay into it, they should be eligible for benefits.
If not, not.

Many, if not most, illegal Mexicans have FICA deducted from their
paychecks.  It's one thing for an employer to risk tangling with
whatever they're calling INS nowadays, but quite another to try to
thwart the IRS from payroll tax obligations.

However, since most illegal Mexicans are smart enough to not raise a
red flag (preferring the orange, green, and white of their own flag),
they don't ever try to collect Social Security that they've paid into
the system.  Hence a windfall for us rich white Americans who not only
get our strawberries picked for us, but we get to keep their Social
Security checks as well.
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 17 Oct 2007 13:13 GMT
> They're getting better at what they do and they're recruiting more and
> more anti-Americans each day.

Including you.

> If Bush's purpose in invading Iraq was
> to sustain world terrorism sufficiently to keep the money flowing into
> his supporters' coffers, he did a great job.

How many attacks by terrorists on American soil and embassies during
Clinton's administration?

How many under Bush?
Greg Mossman - 17 Oct 2007 20:12 GMT
On Oct 17, 5:13 am, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote:

> > They're getting better at what they do and they're recruiting more and
> > more anti-Americans each day.
>
> Including you.

My AQ card sits right next to the the NRA one on my mantle under the
stuffed groundhog heads.  I have the guns pictured on both cards aimed
at each other.

> > If Bush's purpose in invading Iraq was
> > to sustain world terrorism sufficiently to keep the money flowing into
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> How many under Bush?

If you can call American embassies "American soil" then why not call
American-occupied territory "American soil" and do the math again.
Certain the Green Zone at least should be considered equivalent to
embassy soil.

How many Americans killed by terrorists during Clinton's reign?  How
many Americans killed by terrorists during Bush's reign?  That's a
real fun equation.  Shouldn't a President keep Americans safe from
harm wherever they may be?
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 17 Oct 2007 21:09 GMT
> > How many attacks by terrorists on American soil and embassies during
> > Clinton's administration?

> > How many under Bush?

<Chop the typical bullshit, partisan bigot, non answer>

Thanks for making my point.

Love to stay and help you make a bigger a.s of yourself, but I am
going to the range with an MIT grad who just turned 21, bought a new
pistol, his first firearm ever. His concealed carry permit is in the
works too.
Greg Mossman - 18 Oct 2007 02:36 GMT
On Oct 17, 1:09 pm, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Love to stay and help you make a bigger a.s of yourself, but I am
> going to the range with an MIT grad who just turned 21, bought a new
> pistol, his first firearm ever. His concealed carry permit is in the
> works too.

Maybe he can help you answer my intelligent questions that you're
obviously struggling with.
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 18 Oct 2007 12:55 GMT
> Maybe he can help you answer my intelligent questions that you're
> obviously struggling with.

Say something remotely intelligent or honest once and we'll see.
Greg Mossman - 18 Oct 2007 18:07 GMT
On Oct 18, 4:55 am, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote:

> > Maybe he can help you answer my intelligent questions that you're
> > obviously struggling with.
>
> Say something remotely intelligent or honest once and we'll see.

Why bother?  You'll just ignore it and pretend I'm in your killfile
like usual.

But if you like, go back and answer the previous question for starters.
dazed and confuzzed - 17 Oct 2007 21:48 GMT
> On Oct 17, 5:13 am, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> stuffed groundhog heads.  I have the guns pictured on both cards aimed
> at each other.

Are they expired? Or did you re-up your NRA membership.

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Greg Mossman - 18 Oct 2007 08:39 GMT
On Oct 17, 1:48 pm, dazed and confuzzed <dedmann@comcast_remove.net>
wrote:
> > On Oct 17, 5:13 am, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Are they expired? Or did you re-up your NRA membership.

They sent me a new card anyway.  Apparently they're so crazed to keep
Hillary out of the White House that they're giving memberships away.

I am the NRA.
chilly - 18 Oct 2007 08:44 GMT
> > Are they expired? Or did you re-up your NRA membership.
>
> They sent me a new card anyway.  Apparently they're so crazed to keep
> Hillary out of the White House that they're giving memberships away.
>
> I am the NRA.

Up kind of late aren't ya?  Are  you polishing your guns/hakapik?
Greg Mossman - 18 Oct 2007 18:08 GMT
> > > Are they expired? Or did you re-up your NRA membership.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Up kind of late aren't ya?  Are  you polishing your guns/hakapik?

Google is on a time delay again, posting everything a few hours after
I've already headed to bed.
dazed and confuzzed - 19 Oct 2007 20:22 GMT
> On Oct 17, 1:48 pm, dazed and confuzzed <dedmann@comcast_remove.net>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> I am the NRA.

Next time you come to Chicago, let me know and plan for an extra day.
We'll take you to the range and see ifyou are the NRA....

It'll be fun. Give me some notice so I can make sure all the brass is
loaded and ready.

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Lee Bell - 19 Oct 2007 20:56 GMT
> It'll be fun. Give me some notice so I can make sure all the brass is
> loaded and ready.

Let me know if you're running short. For that, I'd crank up the reloading
equipment for a couple of hours.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 19 Oct 2007 21:11 GMT
> > It'll be fun. Give me some notice so I can make sure all the brass is
> > loaded and ready.
>
> Let me know if you're running short. For that, I'd crank up the reloading
> equipment for a couple of hours.

What do you think, I'm a dummy?  I ain't getting in shooting range of
none of y'all.  I've heard all about those "accidents" at the gun
range.  Killfiles only go so far: we all know there's only one way to
make a killfile permanent!  And all you have to do is claim you
thought I was some sort of terrorist that the T department is seeking
and you yelled "stop police!" and shot me, exactly which order you now
forget, and you feel very sorry that you got the wrong guy but your
damn contact lenses have been acting up.  Either that, or claim you
thought I was a runaway groundhoug.  I think the former excuse is more
believable.

I still think it's funny that you took my DWG II threat to
surreptitiously swim back to the boat, grab one of your guns, and
plink away at all of you as you were ascending, seriously enough to
ascend on the wrong line way out of shooting range.  Next time, I'll
simply shoot the captain (the dummy forgot to refill the water!?!) and
run y'all down, claiming dehydration psychosis made me do it.  I am
the NRA!
Grumman-581 - 20 Oct 2007 00:02 GMT
> What do you think, I'm a dummy?  I ain't getting in shooting range of
> none of y'all.

Awh, 'ell, you wouldn't even go on a little ol' swamp dive with me
when you were in New Orleans... <evil-grin>

Actually, you've been within shooting range of many of us quite a few
times and you're still alive...

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dazed and confuzzed - 20 Oct 2007 03:02 GMT
>>What do you think, I'm a dummy?  I ain't getting in shooting range of
>>none of y'all.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Actually, you've been within shooting range of many of us quite a few
> times and you're still alive...

And well within shooting range of me at least once.

And I was armed, IIRC.

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Lee Bell - 20 Oct 2007 10:41 GMT
> What do you think, I'm a dummy?  I ain't getting in shooting range of
> none of y'all.

I think you already know the answer to that one.
Greg Mossman - 17 Oct 2007 20:24 GMT
On Oct 17, 5:13 am, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote:

> > They're getting better at what they do and they're recruiting more and
> > more anti-Americans each day.
>
> Including you.

My AQ card sits right next to the the NRA one on my mantle under the
stuffed groundhog heads.  I have the guns pictured on both cards aimed
at each other.

> > If Bush's purpose in invading Iraq was
> > to sustain world terrorism sufficiently to keep the money flowing into
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> How many under Bush?

If you can call American embassies "American soil" then why not call
American-occupied territory "American soil" and do the math again.
Certain the Green Zone at least should be considered equivalent to
embassy soil.

How many Americans killed by terrorists during Clinton's reign?  How
many Americans killed by terrorists during Bush's reign?  That's a
real fun equation.  Shouldn't a President keep Americans safe from
harm wherever they may be?
crownfield - 15 Oct 2007 00:20 GMT
-On Oct 13, 6:03 pm, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:
-
-> What this clearly indicates is that our media and our liberal
-> politicians pick and choose, and they tend to present only those facts
-> that support their agenda driven reporting.
-
-Exactly.
-
-For instance, look at Table 6 in your cite(http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/
-natsec/RL32492.pdf)
-
-It shows number of wounded from Operation Oil Freedom at 23,417, and
-number of amputations at 472.  In the Korean War, there were 103,284
-wounded and 1,477 amputations.  Therefore we've already run up a fifth
-of the wounded toll and a fourth of the amputation toll of the entire
-Korean War.  And that was a real war.

actually, no. it was a police action.

-
-
-
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Greg Mossman - 15 Oct 2007 00:48 GMT
> In article <1192340705.377730.295...@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
> moss...@qnet.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> actually, no. it was a police action.

Sure it was.  Lots of police served in that war.  Firemen too.
crownfield - 16 Oct 2007 00:32 GMT
-On Oct 14, 4:20 pm, crownfield <crownfi...@verizon.net> wrote:
-> In article <1192340705.377730.295...@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
-> moss...@qnet.com says...
-> -On Oct 13, 6:03 pm, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:
-> -
-> -> What this clearly indicates is that our media and our liberal
-> -> politicians pick and choose, and they tend to present only those facts
-> -> that support their agenda driven reporting.
-> -
-> -Exactly.
-> -
-> -For instance, look at Table 6 in your cite(http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/
-> -natsec/RL32492.pdf)
-> -
-> -It shows number of wounded from Operation Oil Freedom at 23,417, and
-> -number of amputations at 472.  In the Korean War, there were 103,284
-> -wounded and 1,477 amputations.  Therefore we've already run up a fifth
-> -of the wounded toll and a fourth of the amputation toll of the entire
-> -Korean War.  And that was a real war.
->
-> actually, no. it was a police action.
-
-Sure it was.  Lots of police served in that war.  Firemen too.

farmers, too.
that does not make it a farm action.

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Greg Mossman - 16 Oct 2007 05:07 GMT
> In article <1192405733.961133.234...@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
> moss...@qnet.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> farmers, too.
> that does not make it a farm action.

But it would be if that's what the politicians wanted to call it.
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 16 Oct 2007 12:44 GMT
> But it would be if that's what the politicians wanted to call it.

Kinda like banging the office help isn't sex?
Greg Mossman - 16 Oct 2007 15:05 GMT
On Oct 16, 4:44 am, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote:

> > But it would be if that's what the politicians wanted to call it.
>
> Kinda like banging the office help isn't sex?

Or a killfile that really isn't a killfile.
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 16 Oct 2007 20:09 GMT
> On Oct 16, 4:44 am, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Or a killfile that really isn't a killfile.

Google groups doesn't offer the feature.
Greg Mossman - 16 Oct 2007 22:52 GMT
On Oct 16, 12:09 pm, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote:

> > On Oct 16, 4:44 am, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Google groups doesn't offer the feature.

Looks like you'll have to put up with me.  Sorry.
Carl Nisarel - 14 Oct 2007 20:40 GMT
rec.scuba's resident pussy Scott whined:

>      1992 .......... 1,293
>      1993 .......... 1,213
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> conflicts in the Middle East are LESS than the loss of
> military personnel during Mr. Clinton's presidency?

Look at the astrick's, pussy.

The 2003-2006 figures do not include fatalities outside of the
Iraq war.

I predict that you'll be too stupid to comprehend your error.
Dillon Pyron - 12 Oct 2007 03:57 GMT
>30-year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War
>
>http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261

Seems it was a Democrat that did it, too.
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RecScubaPoster - 12 Oct 2007 17:24 GMT
> >30-year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War
>
> >http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261
>
> Seems it was a Democrat that did it, too.

The lesson is: Fuckwit buckaroos from Texas do not belong in the oval
office regardless of party affiliation.
Dillon Pyron - 20 Oct 2007 18:44 GMT
>> >30-year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>The lesson is: Fuckwit buckaroos from Texas do not belong in the oval
>office regardless of party affiliation.

Seems that a very Democrat controlled Congress did it, too.
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