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paul - 09 Oct 2007 14:02 GMT
What are the opinions about the different Scuba certifications available
(SSI, PAI, NAUI, etc).  I think I’ll end up doing a National Association
of Underwater Instructors (NAUI) certification and the underwater
photography course at the same time. Any feedback welcome.

Thanks Paul
Chris Guynn - 09 Oct 2007 14:03 GMT
> What are the opinions about the different Scuba certifications available
> (SSI, PAI, NAUI, etc).  I think I’ll end up doing a National Association
> of Underwater Instructors (NAUI) certification and the underwater
> photography course at the same time. Any feedback welcome.
>
> Thanks Paul

My general recommendations:
1.) The certifying agency is mostly irrelevant.  Find a good instructor and
take whatever certification he offers.
2.) When you take your open water course, don't take any other courses.
Focus on the material presented and try to become the best OW diver you can.
Practice the skills for a while.  Learn bouyancy control!  Once you've got
bouyancy down and you're fairly well versed in the OW topics, then you can
expand your training into the different specialties.  Popeye may disagree
because his experience was somewhat different (IIRC), but IMO he's more the
exception than the rule.
El Stroko Guapo - 09 Oct 2007 16:44 GMT
> What are the opinions about the different Scuba certifications available
> (SSI, PAI, NAUI, etc).  I think I’ll end up doing a National Association
> of Underwater Instructors (NAUI) certification and the underwater
> photography course at the same time. Any feedback welcome.
>
> Thanks Paul

There's not enough difference between them to argue about.

Select a good instructor and take the card he gives you.

esg
DanVolker - 09 Oct 2007 18:17 GMT
> > What are the opinions about the different Scuba certifications available
> > (SSI, PAI, NAUI, etc).  I think I'll end up doing a National Association
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>
> esg

I totally agree with the responses so far...the one thing I would add,
is that once you have your open water card, a huge importance should
be placed on finding the "right buddies" to dive with...In one sense,
this is the peer group that will help shape the type of diver you can
become. In another sense, this group of people will impact strongly on
your safety and enjoyment of diving.
As to how to "pick" your dive buddies, that could be a long thread :-)
Regards,
Dan V
-hh - 09 Oct 2007 19:21 GMT
> ...the one thing I would add,
> is that once you have your open water card, a huge importance should
> be placed on finding the "right buddies" to dive with...In one sense,
> this is the peer group that will help shape the type of diver you can
> become. In another sense, this group of people will impact strongly on
> your safety and enjoyment of diving.

A good point.

> As to how to "pick" your dive buddies, that could be a long thread :-)

What wisdom can you share in regards to picking a buddy with the same
blood type?   You know, just in case....

http://www.huntzinger.com/dive/strokes/archive/mhk_jammer1.jpg

-hh
DanVolker - 10 Oct 2007 02:10 GMT
> > ...the one thing I would add,
> > is that once you have your open water card, a huge importance should
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>
> -hh

HH, what's up with MHK these days...? anybody heard from him?

Dan V
-hh - 10 Oct 2007 21:36 GMT
> HH, what's up with MHK these days...? anybody heard from him?

Can't recall hearing much from him in these parts.  In snooping
around, it appears that he's keeping himself busy GUE'ing in the local
Southern CA diving scene, and raising awareness on some questionable
business practices by Scuba Chalet.

-hh
ben bradlee - 10 Oct 2007 23:03 GMT
>> HH, what's up with MHK these days...? anybody heard from him?
>
> Can't recall hearing much from him in these parts.  In snooping
> around, it appears that he's keeping himself busy GUE'ing in the local
> Southern CA diving scene, and raising awareness on some questionable
> business practices by Scuba Chalet.

It's safe to assume he's as full of bullshit as ever; but, what about the
cancer?  It could be that was just another story.
Grumman-581 - 09 Oct 2007 21:33 GMT
> There's not enough difference between them to argue about.
>
> Select a good instructor and take the card he gives you.

Nawh, just get whichever card is cheapest and then go learn to dive
*afterwards*... Consider the card just a "license to learn"... OK,
technically, it's not an official "license" since there is no legal
requirement to be certified in order to dive, but you know what I
mean...

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ajtessier - 09 Oct 2007 23:50 GMT
You can tell it's not a "license" because there's no renewal fee.

Al
Bottoms Up Divers

>> There's not enough difference between them to argue about.
>>
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> requirement to be certified in order to dive, but you know what I
> mean...
Grumman-581 - 09 Oct 2007 23:55 GMT
> You can tell it's not a "license" because there's no renewal fee.

Well, my pilot's license does not have a renewal fee either... Well,
at least the license portion of it... BFR and medical are required
periodically and you have to pay for those, but it's not quite the
same...
Chris Guynn - 10 Oct 2007 14:08 GMT
> You can tell it's not a "license" because there's no renewal fee.
>
> Al
> Bottoms Up Divers

The renewal fees are included in the cost of your fills.

Or your compressor if you fill yourself.

> >> There's not enough difference between them to argue about.
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> > requirement to be certified in order to dive, but you know what I
> > mean...
Grumman-581 - 09 Oct 2007 21:28 GMT
> What are the opinions about the different Scuba certifications available
> (SSI, PAI, NAUI, etc).  I think I’ll end up doing a National Association
> of Underwater Instructors (NAUI) certification and the underwater
> photography course at the same time. Any feedback welcome.

First of all, you are not legally required to be certified to dive...

http://grumman581.googlepages.com/scuba-certification

If you do choose to get certified for convenience or whatever, the
agency is less important than the instructor... We've discussed this
in the group many times... Check the Google Groups archives and you'll
find quite a few threads on this subject...
Dan Bracuk - 10 Oct 2007 00:08 GMT
paul <moo@moo.iinet.net.au> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:

:What are the opinions about the different Scuba certifications available
:(SSI, PAI, NAUI, etc).  I think I’ll end up doing a National Association
:of Underwater Instructors (NAUI) certification and the underwater
:photography course at the same time. Any feedback welcome.

My suggestion is to get good at diving before you start photography.

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
Sheldon - 10 Oct 2007 04:11 GMT
> What are the opinions about the different Scuba certifications available
> (SSI, PAI, NAUI, etc).  I think I’ll end up doing a National Association
> of Underwater Instructors (NAUI) certification and the underwater
> photography course at the same time. Any feedback welcome.
>
> Thanks Paul

I"m pretty much in line with everyone else here.   I started with NAUI and
wound up with PADI because I liked the instructor better.  It was just a
better fit.  As others have said, your instructor makes a huge difference,
and after meeting him or her you should know if it's going to work within 5
or 10 minutes.  Once you complete the pool session you will have to complete
your certification in open water (OW).  You may decide to do this locally
with your instructor or another, or finish on vacation.  You must complete
your certification in OW to get your card.  IMHO PADI and NAUI are the two
that are best known, but the others will still get you a card.

I lucked out in that my final cert (OW) was in a class of one -- me.  The
one on one instruction was fantastic and I learned a lot as once again my
instructor was a good fit.

Any other certifications you get are up to you.
paul - 10 Oct 2007 04:29 GMT
> What are the opinions about the different Scuba certifications available
> (SSI, PAI, NAUI, etc).  I think I’ll end up doing a National Association
> of Underwater Instructors (NAUI) certification and the underwater
> photography course at the same time. Any feedback welcome.
>
> Thanks Paul

Thanks all!

Paul
Adam Helberg - 10 Oct 2007 21:38 GMT
> What are the opinions about the different Scuba certifications available (SSI, PAI,
> NAUI, etc).  I think I’ll end up doing a National Association of Underwater
> Instructors (NAUI) certification and the underwater photography course at the same
> time. Any feedback welcome.
>
> Thanks Paul

The quality of teacher has been mentioned elsewhere. Another consideration is the
dive-shop associated with the course. This is because there will be pressure put on
you to buy your gear from the shop.

Adam
Dillon Pyron - 12 Oct 2007 03:51 GMT
>What are the opinions about the different Scuba certifications available
>(SSI, PAI, NAUI, etc).  I think I’ll end up doing a National Association
>of Underwater Instructors (NAUI) certification and the underwater
>photography course at the same time. Any feedback welcome.
>
>Thanks Paul

Talk to the instructor.  You won't have any idea about his scuba
skills, since you have nothing to judge them by.  But figure out his
personality.  Try to get an idea of his teaching skills.  Find out how
long he's been diving and teaching.  Ask him what his student to staff
ratio is.  And, if he's a she, ask what she looks like in a bikini and
if she wears a suit under her diveskin (used to have a DM that didn't.
She'd ask me to have all the students face me while I did some inane
lecture and she's strip down and suit up.  Very pleasant for me,
except the first couple of times.  Fortunately I don't wear skin tight
suits.)
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Elvis is still dead

Dillon Pyron - 12 Oct 2007 03:53 GMT
>What are the opinions about the different Scuba certifications available
>(SSI, PAI, NAUI, etc).  I think I’ll end up doing a National Association
>of Underwater Instructors (NAUI) certification and the underwater
>photography course at the same time. Any feedback welcome.
>
>Thanks Paul

Oh yeah.  You won't be able to do the UW photo course while you're
doing open water.  You need the OW to take the course.  And a good
instructor will tell you to dive some before you take the course.
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Elvis is still dead

Sheldon - 19 Oct 2007 22:29 GMT
>>What are the opinions about the different Scuba certifications available
>>(SSI, PAI, NAUI, etc).  I think I'll end up doing a National Association
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> doing open water.  You need the OW to take the course.  And a good
> instructor will tell you to dive some before you take the course.

I think it depend on the association and the instructor.  Once you complete
your OW cert you may be able to pay more money and  go right down for an UW
photo course.  That said, I think the UW photo course teaches a lot of
buoyancy and how to remain stable on the bottom.  Talk to the instructor,
but it may help to clock a few more hours in OW before taking the photo
course.
Dillon Pyron - 23 Oct 2007 18:33 GMT
>>>What are the opinions about the different Scuba certifications available
>>>(SSI, PAI, NAUI, etc).  I think I'll end up doing a National Association
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>but it may help to clock a few more hours in OW before taking the photo
>course.

Um, if you don't have the bouyancy control, you have no business
trying to take pictures.  Learn the necessary skills first.  The photo
class WILL NOT teach you those skills.  It assumes you have them
already.

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