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Lee Bell - 27 Sep 2007 13:02 GMT In a few hours, I'll be on my way to Kentucky and then on to Wyoming. I'll have e-mail access, but probably will not be visiting newsgroups.
You guys play nice while I'm gone. Talk with you again in a couple of weeks.
Lee ________________________________ It is useless for sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion.
Rick Simms - 27 Sep 2007 15:48 GMT >In a few hours, I'll be on my way to Kentucky and then on to Wyoming. I'll >have e-mail access, but probably will not be visiting newsgroups. > >You guys play nice while I'm gone. Talk with you again in a couple of weeks. > >Lee Get it in gear. Guns, ammo and gear are already loaded in the Suburban.
Let's get this show on the road!
Rick Simms
dazed and confuzzed - 27 Sep 2007 21:08 GMT >>In a few hours, I'll be on my way to Kentucky and then on to Wyoming. I'll >>have e-mail access, but probably will not be visiting newsgroups. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Rick Simms What route are you guys taking?
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ben bradlee - 27 Sep 2007 21:24 GMT "dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message news:WtWdnaUL--
> What route are you guys taking? Will it be well marked by road kill?
Lee Bell - 12 Oct 2007 14:46 GMT > What route are you guys taking? I drove up from Ft. Lauderdale to Louisville where I linked up with Rick. From there, we went where Mapquest/Garmin/TomTom suggested to get to KC, Missouri. We diverted a bit to pick up a couple of portable shooting benches from Cabala's in KC, Kansas and drove on to Kaycee, where we were staying.
We spent three days shooting. Two of them were disappointing. The wind was blowing like crazy, making it very hard to manage the long shots we came for. I had a new Ruger 204, which shoots a very light bullet at very high velocity. With the wind, I could not even get it sighted in, let alone hit anything at long distances. As I recall, Rick's 17 didn't even come out of the bag. My .223, with it's heavier bullets, did better and my 22-250, with the same 60 grain bullets, but with a lot more velocity, did even better. My longest successful shot was from just under 600 yards. The group we joined were hunting deer and antelope. They were successful. The number of antelope in the area are remarkable. They appear truly stupid, making it hard to understand how there can be any left. Management of the herd must be quite good. When shooting at prairie dogs, we had to stop several times because antelope wandered in line with our shots. Had we been hunting them, we would have filled out tags the first day, or the second, or the third. In fact, one of the hunters, who had an extra doe tag, stopped by one afternoon, shot his doe, and packed up and was gone in just a few minutes.
Contrary to the expectations of some liberals in the group, nobody in our party, or anybody we are aware of that was in the area, damaged anything or any animal they were not specifically authorized to shoot. We did better than the cops in Wisconsin.
From there, we headed to Yellowstone. A snow storm followed us into the southern entrance to the park. It caught up with us at night, while we were still in the park. We paid $25 to drive through the park at night, in the snow, and saw nothing but the road . . . when we could see the road. It was an E ticket ride for sure. We made it safely out the eastern entrance and did not look back. The park was closed the whole time we were near enough to have returned.
We drove all over Wyoming and parts of SD. We saw Cody, Wy, Mt. Rushmore, the Devil's Tower, Hell's Half Acre, a couple of waterfalls, the Crazy Horse Memorial, Wall Drug Store and the Corn Palace. I've probably forgotten some of what we did, but you may assume we covered a lot of miles and shot a lot of pictures.
We ran out of things we wanted to see and headed back to Kentucky a couple days early. I drove straight through from KY to Ft. Lauderdale yesterday, a bit over a thousand miles. I was ready to be home. Our cat was most pleased to see me and I was happy to see her. My wife and Rick's return to Ft. Lauderdale tomorrow.
Lee
Grumman-581 - 12 Oct 2007 19:46 GMT > Contrary to the expectations of some liberals in the group, nobody in our > party, or anybody we are aware of that was in the area, damaged anything or > any animal they were not specifically authorized to shoot. We did better > than the cops in Wisconsin. So, how many of those pesky rodents did you manage to rid the world of?
Lee Bell - 13 Oct 2007 01:35 GMT >> Contrary to the expectations of some liberals in the group, nobody in our >> party, or anybody we are aware of that was in the area, damaged anything >> or >> any animal they were not specifically authorized to shoot. We did better >> than the cops in Wisconsin.
> So, how many of those pesky rodents did you manage to rid the world > of? Hard to tell. They tend to land behind their holes when hit, or crawl down into them when not hit. My .22 rimfire does not have the power to toss them. It kills them quickly enough, but not quite quick enough to keep them from falling or crawling back into their holes. The more powerful rounds leave little doubt, but only if someone is watching. The shooter doesn't usually see the hit. I can say for sure I accounted for a dozen or so a day and probably about twice that. The count would have been higher had the shots not been so long or the wind not as strong.
When the shots are long, as they were while I was there, it's not a simple process. First, you have to find the dog, then find it in the scope, then account for wind and distance. The long shot of the trip, on the third, less windy day, was made by me at just a bit under 600 yards. The regulars that had been joking about how low our hit ratio would be stopped laughing after that. Another shooter, a regular, tried a half dozen times with a 6mm Bench Rest rifle without getting it right. He had a case separation and while he dealt with getting the forward portion of the brass out of the barrel, my 22-250 and I took the dog on the second shot. Lucky for me, one of the group was watching the shot through binoculars. He reported the hit and that the dog flew a good 4 feet into the air. Unfortunately, I did not see it. My rifle moves off target enough during recoil that I don't have much chance of seeing the results through my 25 power scope.
Most ammunition used was factory 32 and 34 grain out of my brand new, purchased on the way, 204 Ruger (I can't confirm hitting anything with it), 45 or 50 grain out of the 22-250s and 45 or 55 grain out of the .223s. A friend had a 17 HMR that he didn't even take out of the case. I had a bit better luck because I loaded my 223s with the 60 grain V Max bullets it likes best and loaded a couple hundred 22-250 rounds with the same bullets. The heavier bullets did much better than the light stuff in the wind.
Lee
chilly - 13 Oct 2007 08:40 GMT > >> Contrary to the expectations of some liberals in the group, nobody in our > >> party, or anybody we are aware of that was in the area, damaged anything [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It kills them quickly enough, but not quite quick enough to keep them from > falling or crawling back into their holes. Sounds like fun.
>The more powerful rounds leave > little doubt, but only if someone is watching. The shooter doesn't usually [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > of the group was watching the shot through binoculars. He reported the hit > and that the dog flew a good 4 feet into the air. Sounds like fun.
>Unfortunately, I did not > see it. My rifle moves off target enough during recoil that I don't have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Lee Lee Bell - 13 Oct 2007 11:30 GMT > Sounds like fun. More of a challenge than fun, but it was OK. As a group, we didn't do much to relieve problems in even a single field. After all, These are varmints, They do tremendous damage to foliage needed for cattle. Significant numbers of cattle and horses are lost because they break their legs by stepping into prairie dog holes. The fleas from these animals are reported to carry the plague.
Lee
ben bradlee - 13 Oct 2007 14:03 GMT > These are varmints, They do tremendous damage to foliage needed for > cattle. Significant numbers of cattle and horses are lost because they > break their legs by stepping into holes. The fleas from these animals are > reported to carry the plague. These varmints wander in the night killing pet dogs and cats. They sneak into houses and rape single women and leave them crying on the kitchen floor. Varmints give your children drugs until they are hooked then they take their lunch money and leave them high in class. Varmints support the local bully ruining his life and your Child's in the process. Varmints cause dents in cars and rust. Varmints cause oil to break down and spark plugs to burn. Varmints cause severe storms and flooding, drought, and inhospitable climate. Varmints cause cancer, old age, and Alzheimer's. While not proven, the current tension between Russia and the US is thought to be caused by these varmints; as was the cold war. Varmints cause Lee to post on rec.scuba. Only harm is caused by these varmints!
Lee Bell - 13 Oct 2007 15:31 GMT >> These are varmints, They do tremendous damage to foliage needed for >> cattle. Significant numbers of cattle and horses are lost because they >> break their legs by stepping into holes. The fleas from these animals are >> reported to carry the plague.
> These varmints wander in the night killing pet dogs and cats. They sneak > into houses and rape single women and leave them crying on the kitchen > floor. Varmints give your children drugs until they are hooked then they > take their lunch money and leave them high in class. Varmints support the > local bully ruining his life and your Child's in the process. So shoot them. I don't have a problem with that.
Lee
Grumman-581 - 13 Oct 2007 20:38 GMT > The fleas from these animals are reported to carry the > plague. So, I guess that means that you didn't go collect your trophies? <evil-grin>
Lee Bell - 14 Oct 2007 01:42 GMT >> The fleas from these animals are reported to carry the >> plague.
> So, I guess that means that you didn't go collect your trophies? > <evil-grin> I figured I'd collect a few and send them to Greg, but Rick talked me out of it.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 13 Oct 2007 14:38 GMT >> >> Contrary to the expectations of some liberals in the group, nobody in > our [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sounds like fun. Not as much fun as clubbing baby seals, maybe, but then it's a lot more difficult.
I don't remember you commenting much in any of those threads.
Sure are selective in your distastes, eh?
But then, it's always different for Canadians, no?
>>The more powerful rounds leave >> little doubt, but only if someone is watching. The shooter doesn't [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >> >> Lee Dennis (Icarus) - 14 Oct 2007 01:38 GMT <snip>
Welcome back! Sounds like you had an enjoyable time.
Dennis
Lee Bell - 14 Oct 2007 02:30 GMT > Welcome back! Sounds like you had an enjoyable time. Thanks. It had its moments, but I'm glad to be home and even happier that my wife got home this morning. The only thing that could make things better is if Popeye and/or Curtis were to show up tomorrow.
Lee
Scott - 15 Oct 2007 17:30 GMT "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote:
> Welcome back! Sounds like you had an enjoyable time. Lee even managed to do it without coming here to get a bl.wj.b from my niece.
Lee Bell - 15 Oct 2007 18:50 GMT >> Welcome back! Sounds like you had an enjoyable time.
> Lee even managed to do it without coming here to get a bl.wj.b from my > niece. I was unaware that such a thing was available. I'm a happily married man, so as tempting as the offer would have been, I would have had to turn it down anyway.
Lee
Scott - 20 Oct 2007 13:41 GMT > "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote: > > > Welcome back! Sounds like you had an enjoyable time. > > Lee even managed to do it without coming here to get a bl.wj.b from my > niece. How does it feel to be the most loathed lowlife piece of sh.t coward on Usenet?
Lee Bell - 20 Oct 2007 13:56 GMT > How does it feel to be the most loathed lowlife piece of sh.t coward on > Usenet? Don't be silly. He's nowhere near that significant.
JOF - 27 Sep 2007 23:39 GMT >>In a few hours, I'll be on my way to Kentucky and then on to Wyoming. I'll >>have e-mail access, but probably will not be visiting newsgroups. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Let's get this show on the road! Behave yerself, you carry the reputation of the civilized nearly-south on your prone to misbehaving shoulders. Lee will be no help at all. He's a party animal.
Have fun. 8)
JF
ben bradlee - 27 Sep 2007 16:05 GMT > In a few hours, I'll be on my way to Kentucky and then on to Wyoming. Hopefully you'll be able to fly thru Denver so you can stop and compare stories with your duck buddy.
nitespark - 27 Sep 2007 18:20 GMT > In a few hours, I'll be on my way to Kentucky and then on to Wyoming. I'll > have e-mail access, but probably will not be visiting newsgroups. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It is useless for sheep to pass resolutions in favor of > vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion. Lee, have a great time and hope all your travels are safe.
Andy
-hh - 27 Sep 2007 21:01 GMT Nah, we wouldn't do that....would we? :-)
-hh
Dennis (Icarus) - 28 Sep 2007 01:40 GMT > In a few hours, I'll be on my way to Kentucky and then on to Wyoming. I'll > have e-mail access, but probably will not be visiting newsgroups. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It is useless for sheep to pass resolutions in favor of > vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion. Have fun!
 Signature Dennis
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