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Scuba Forum / General / October 2007FBI Issues New Scuba Warning (June)
Page 20 of October issue of Scuba Diving. www.dema.org/associations/1017/files/fbi%20Warning%206-07.pdf > www.dema.org/associations/1017/files/fbi%20Warning%206-07.pdf I knew it all along: 1. WKPP and all people associated with DIR are suspected terrorists. They dive deep, long, do advanced training, train in towing other people and do not appear to be motivated by profit. 2. PADI is knowingly providing training to terrorist related individuals for profit. Otherwise, their name would not be specifically included in the communication while other agencies are not. 3. Sheldon is a suspected terrorist. He sought scuba training in an area not normally known for scuba diving. 4. YMCA is a suspected terrorist organization. It has a religious aspect. 5. The Boy Scouts of American is also a suspected terrorist organization. They have a religious aspect too. What a bunch of junk. What this all means is that Homeland Security and the FBI are well aware of the potential for use of scuba by terrorist organizations, but they have not a clue as to how to detect the risk. This is a clear fishing expedition with almost no chance of meaningful results except, of course, to inconvenience the dive industry as a whole. Damn. Lee >> www.dema.org/associations/1017/files/fbi%20Warning%206-07.pdf > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >is a clear fishing expedition with almost no chance of meaningful results >except, of course, to inconvenience the dive industry as a whole. Damn. Popeye's lucky he went thru his suspiciously thorough private learning process pre-911, and you and ESG with yer years of uncarded dive shenanigans would be very suspect today. Grumman and Al never should have admitted to their cave-diving experimentation. Dayum! I'm probably on the suspected terrorist list just for diving with y'all. Well, I haven't dived with Grumman, but I was seen having lunch in public with him. At least it was in Canada. I'm a damned consorter. JF >>> www.dema.org/associations/1017/files/fbi%20Warning%206-07.pdf >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Popeye's lucky he went thru his suspiciously What's your point? Skip the usual pussy reply and say what you mean. >thorough private learning > process pre-911, and you and ESG with yer years of uncarded dive [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > JF On Sep 13, 3:00 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > >>>www.dema.org/associations/1017/files/fbi%20Warning%206-07.pdf > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Skip the usual pussy reply and say what you mean. Sheesh, yer touchy. Why don't you finish reading my post before you go off half-cocked? > >thorough private learning > > process pre-911, and you and ESG with yer years of uncarded dive [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > lunch in public with him. At least it was in Canada. I'm a damned > > consorter. JF > On Sep 13, 3:00 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Sheesh, yer touchy. Not at all. I've had dealings with your innuendoes scores of times. >Why don't you finish reading my post before you go > off half-cocked? I thought we were going to "skip" this part. But it's good that you're consistent. >> >thorough private learning >> > process pre-911, and you and ESG with yer years of uncarded dive [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > JF On Sep 13, 5:48 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > On Sep 13, 3:00 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > But it's good that you're consistent. I hadn't realized how much you missed our squabbling. Glad I could liven up yer day. On a side note, we had one of the last surviving operating steam engines in Canada here in town the other night. Number 9, I think it was built in Montreal. http://www.steam-train.org/new/newsapril07 http://www.steam-train.org/photoGal.htm http://ghra.ca/newsletter/2007/switchstand_3_3_4_1.pdf http://www.essexterminalrailway.com/history_m.html JF > On Sep 13, 5:48 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > I hadn't realized how much you missed our squabbling. Glad I could > liven up yer day. I'm always squabbling with someone, don't over rate your importance. I'm just holding the light, in this case, to your extensively documented history of innuendo and insinuation. And as you know, I have a whole nuther NG to terrorize. > On a side note, we had one of the last surviving operating steam > engines in Canada here in town the other night. Number 9, I think it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > JF On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:34:11 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: >> I hadn't realized how much you missed our squabbling. Glad I could >> liven up yer day. > > I'm always squabbling with someone, don't over rate your importance. > > I'm just holding the light, in this case, Isn't that Scott's line? > to your extensively documented >history of innuendo and insinuation. Documented or interpreted? You're sounding like a caricature of a grownup, one struggling with reality issues. Just be a real person. It's kinda nice if you give it a chance. Living your role must get tedious, even for a cynic like you. You need to have a little more confidence in yerself as a person, and think of yerself less as a character, or caricature. Then you wouldn't have to be so defensive. You're not such a bad guy just being you, ya know. You may well be dismayed to learn that the real you isn't the prick you try so hard to portray here, at least not in MNSHO. JF > On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:34:11 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Isn't that Scott's line? You must have, per your norm, forgotten my nice little poem. I've also used that line a score of times, and Scott doesn't, to my knowledge. But we've seen -far- worse instances of your "memory serving you". >> to your extensively documented >>history of innuendo and insinuation. > > Documented or interpreted? Do you remember what I wrote? D o c u m e n t e d. I'm not the one who forgets what he posts from hour to hour. > You're sounding like a caricature of a grownup, one struggling with > reality issues. Just be a real person. It's kinda nice if you give it > a chance. Living your role must get tedious, even for a cynic like > you. Maybe it would, if it was a "roll". I don't bill myself as anything other than what I am, which others here have repeatedly attested to. There's at least one poster here who's known me in excess of thirty years. There's also only -one- person here who -repeatedly- insists I'm something that I'm not, but his credibility is lower than whale sh.t. And I'm happier with myself than most people are, which tends to piss your type off. > You need to have a little more confidence in yerself as a > person, and think of yerself less as a character, or caricature. Then > you wouldn't have to be so defensive. You're not such a bad guy just > being you, ya know. You may well be dismayed to learn that the real > you isn't the prick you try so hard to portray here, at least not in > MNSHO. That part would almost be funny if you hadn't just admitted to lurking other newsgroups (again) (-also- a d o c u m e n t e d -fact-) to see what I write. > That part would almost be funny if you hadn't just admitted to lurking > other newsgroups (again) (-also- a d o c u m e n t e d -fact-) to see what > I write. You, puppeteer; He marionette, and a dumb, dishonest one. You could just cut the strings, but he would re-attach them. > >www.dema.org/associations/1017/files/fbi%20Warning%206-07.pdf > > ... > What a bunch of junk. What this all means is that Homeland > Security and the FBI are well aware of the potential for use of > scuba ... but they have not a clue ... Its also interesting that 'someone' released to DEMA a document marked FOUO with FOIA Exemption statements ... "...not to be released to the public..." which has turned around and published to the public by DEMA - think that they have an official DHS authorization on file? -hh >> www.dema.org/associations/1017/files/fbi%20Warning%206-07.pdf > > I knew it all along: > 1. WKPP and all people associated with DIR are suspected terrorists. They > dive deep, long, do advanced training, train in towing other people and do > not appear to be motivated by profit. Yeah, and since I've corresponded with them twice in the past year or so I'm probably associated with them in someone's mind. > 2. PADI is knowingly providing training to terrorist related individuals for > profit. Otherwise, their name would not be specifically included in the > communication while other agencies are not. And I hold a PADI card or possibly two. (I ain't draggin' 'em out to check.) > 3. Sheldon is a suspected terrorist. He sought scuba training in an area not > normally known for scuba diving. ...and I have somewhat advanced training (up to normoxic trimix), some recent, which they specifically asked about. > 4. YMCA is a suspected terrorist organization. It has a religious aspect. Uh-oh. My OW cert is from the Y. And I'm a member, too. > 5. The Boy Scouts of American is also a suspected terrorist organization. > They have a religious aspect too. I'm also an assistant scoutmaster. Something is getting deeper...and unfortunately, it's not water.... > What a bunch of junk. What this all means is that Homeland Security and the > FBI are well aware of the potential for use of scuba by terrorist > organizations, but they have not a clue as to how to detect the risk. This > is a clear fishing expedition with almost no chance of meaningful results > except, of course, to inconvenience the dive industry as a whole. Damn. I joked with the owner of my LDS that he'd better report me now (grin). > Lee John Eells > I joked with the owner of my LDS that he'd better report me now (grin). You're joking now. You won't be joking when the men in the blue suits knock on your door. By the way, I left out diver propulsion vehicles and practicing towing people. I've had a lot of confrontations with DIR people in the past, mostly the distance past. I can't every recall thinking of any of them as being terrorists, but now I'm beginning to wonder. Was all the controversy actually a cover up? Instead of being extreme divers, were they really extremist Muslims? Enquiring minds want to know. NOT. Terrorism has gone a long way towards its goal of gaining recognition and of impacting the lives of people around the world. It's a bad situation that's not going to get better any time soon. It's relatively easy to fight against a country. It's very hard to fight against those who, regardless of country, affiliate with a twisted ideal. Lee > I've had a lot of confrontations with DIR people in the past, mostly the > distance past. I can't every recall thinking of any of them as being > terrorists, but now I'm beginning to wonder. Was all the controversy > actually a cover up? Instead of being extreme divers, were they really > extremist Muslims? Enquiring minds want to know. NOT. My inquiring mind wants to know. I always thought there was something fishy about DIR but could never put my finger on it. Now I know. It's obviously training sponsored by a cult, of that there's no doubt. But terrorists? Team training instead of the traditional buddy system seems to be a big concern of the feds and that's what DIR propounds. "Instructors" like MHK drive around the country in their Jaguars conducting said "training" yet never seem to work other than annual trips to offshore accounts in the Caymans. Also, it's a bit weird that he's referred to by his code name MHK instead of a real name. In fact, MHK has actually commented on this stuff before, raising another red flag: <CGRJ9.2750$vX2.86018171@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com> I'm therefore convinced that he's working for Osama and I'm reporting him to the Feds immediately: Hey, Lee, read my report! There, I've done my civic duty and can go back to my otherwise humdrum life knowing our government will take care of us like they always do. > > I've had a lot of confrontations with DIR people in the past, mostly the > > distance past. I can't every recall thinking of any of them as being [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > done my civic duty and can go back to my otherwise humdrum life > knowing our government will take care of us like they always do. MHK? You mean Muhammad Hussein Khalid? gc > > > I've had a lot of confrontations with DIR people in the past, mostly the > > > distance past. I can't every recall thinking of any of them as being [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > MHK? You mean Muhammad Hussein Khalid? Aha! Off with his head! >> I joked with the owner of my LDS that he'd better report me now (grin). > > You're joking now. You won't be joking when the men in the blue suits knock > on your door. <snip> They wear blue now? Damn, and I've been watching for the men in black suits.  SignatureJohn Eells > >> I joked with the owner of my LDS that he'd better report me now (grin). > > You're joking now. You won't be joking when the men in the blue suits knock > > on your door. > <snip> > They wear blue now? Damn, and I've been watching for the men in black > suits. The guys in blue are no fun at all, trust me on that one. I know several of them, have helped arm them, and if they were after me I would move to Mars, 'cause when they come, you are going. In rec.scuba, on Sat 15 Sep 2007 04:29:39p, "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote: > The guys in blue are no fun at all, trust me on that one. > > I know several of them, have helped arm them, and if they were after me I > would move to Mars, 'cause when they come, you are going. It is not a question of whether you are going, but rather how many of them you can take with you. >> The guys in blue are no fun at all, trust me on that one. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It is not a question of whether you are going, but rather how many of them > you can take with you. None is a good number. In rec.scuba, on Thu 20 Sep 2007 08:01:29p, "Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> wrote: > None is a good number. Only if I'm part of that number. If not, I want to take as many of them with me as possible. > In rec.scuba, on Sat 15 Sep 2007 04:29:39p, "Scott" > <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It is not a question of whether you are going, but rather how many of them > you can take with you. More than likely zero. They know what they are doing and who they are after and dress accordingly. In rec.scuba, on Thu 20 Sep 2007 10:09:23p, "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote: > More than likely zero. > > They know what they are doing and who they are after and dress > accordingly. Like they did in Waco? >> More than likely zero. >> >> They know what they are doing and who they are after and dress >> accordingly. > > Like they did in Waco? Nothing's 100%. Waco, though, was run by ATF, not the FBI. > >> More than likely zero. > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Nothing's 100%. Waco, though, was run by ATF, not the FBI. Waco was a clusterfuck of galactic proportion. So was Ruby Ridge. What was the common denominator? In rec.scuba, on Fri 21 Sep 2007 12:35:23p, "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote: > Waco was a clusterfuck of galactic proportion. > > So was Ruby Ridge. > > What was the common denominator? The government was involved? >> Waco was a clusterfuck of galactic proportion. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The government was involved? Just the gun grabbing portions of it. > In rec.scuba, on Thu 20 Sep 2007 10:09:23p, "Scott" > <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Like they did in Waco? Those aren't the guys I am talking about. You may see them all the same, I don't, and there is a difference. And if you want to blame Waco on someone, blame it on the gun grabbers and the people in charge at the time, like the Klintons and Janet Reno. I would have simply walked up, knocked on the door and said "We have a search warrant David. We are going to serve it. If you are going to fight it I want you to have opportunity to call your lawyer, and can we at least get the babies and women out of the building?" No knock warrants and dynamic entries have been justified to stop the destruction of evidence, 100% dope. No one is going to eat or flush a machine gun (which none were found) down a toilet, so there was no reason for the raid in the first place. In rec.scuba, on Fri 21 Sep 2007 12:32:34p, "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote: > I would have simply walked up, knocked on the door and said "We have a > search warrant David. We are going to serve it. If you are going to > fight it I want you to have opportunity to call your lawyer, and can > we at least get the babies and women out of the building?" Yeah, but that sort of approach would not allowed the leftists to garner the votes to get the stupid a.s Brady Bill passed. >> I would have simply walked up, knocked on the door and said "We have a >> search warrant David. We are going to serve it. If you are going to >> fight it I want you to have opportunity to call your lawyer, and can >> we at least get the babies and women out of the building?" > Yeah, but that sort of approach would not allowed the leftists to garner > the votes to get the stupid a.s Brady Bill passed. True enough. What baffles me is that the government was clearly out of line in both instances. They proved that the public was not free to practice free speech, freedom of religions or the right to keep and bear arms, and still managed to interpret it as a need to disarm the victims and increase the defensive disparity between the masters and their subjects. In rec.scuba, on Sat 22 Sep 2007 08:00:35a, "Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> wrote: > True enough. What baffles me is that the government was clearly out of > line in both instances. They proved that the public was not free to > practice free speech, freedom of religions or the right to keep and > bear arms, and still managed to interpret it as a need to disarm the > victims and increase the defensive disparity between the masters and > their subjects. As they say, you'll never go broke underestimating the stupidity of the Democratic masses. They have been conned into thinking that the Democratic Party is for equality, but in fact, the policies of the party are more designed to enforce the concept of a ruling elite who knows what is good for the befuddled masses and the befuddled masses (i.e. sheep) who keep these hypocrits in office. > As they say, you'll never go broke underestimating the stupidity of the > Democratic masses. They have been conned into thinking that the Democratic > Party is for equality, but in fact, the policies of the party are more > designed to enforce the concept of a ruling elite who knows what is good > for the befuddled masses and the befuddled masses (i.e. sheep) who keep > these hypocrits in office. We don't need no stinkin' health care or edjucashun. No stem cell research, no abortions, no CHIP. No cigarette warnings, no restrictions on toxic dumping and deforestation, and send all them Mexicans and Negroes back home. God and Faith are all we need. God Bless the USA and the Republican Party! > True enough. What baffles me is that the government was clearly out of line > in both instances. They proved that the public was not free to practice free > speech, freedom of religions or the right to keep and bear arms, and still > managed to interpret it as a need to disarm the victims and increase the > defensive disparity between the masters and their subjects. Damn right. How could our government deny Koresh his "free speech" right to sleep with 12-year-old girls and stockpile automatic weapons in the name of religion? This country is founded on freedom of religion. The Jim Joneses of the world should be allowed to orchestrate mass suicides. The Osama bin Ladens of the world should be allowed to smash planes into World Trade Centers. It's all in the name of God, so it must be good. >> In rec.scuba, on Thu 20 Sep 2007 10:09:23p, "Scott" >> <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >I want you to have opportunity to call your lawyer, and can we at least get >the babies and women out of the building?" But did the US have grounds for a search warrant? If I remember correctly, he was only suspected of child abuse/statutory rape at the time and as such, would have fallen under Texas jurisdiction, not Federal jurisdiction. Having said that, I would have had the Texas authorities arrest him at the local 7-11 that he was known to frequent on a daily basis. The cult basically would have been cut off at the head with Koresh in custody. But, as we all know, the ATF and Clinton/Reno were going to make an example out of him/them. That is why the media was called ahead of the initial raid and invited to film/observe the raid. That is also why we have such good footage of the event. > But did the US have grounds for a search warrant? Turns out the affidavit for the search warrant was filled with lies. The local sheriff had no way of knowing that, mainly because ATF kept him from the loop, which was really stupid. > If I remember > correctly, he was only suspected of child abuse/statutory rape at the > time and as such, would have fallen under Texas jurisdiction, not > Federal jurisdiction. The feds claimed they had been modifying semi-automatic weapons into full automatic, though no such weapon was ever recovered. > Having said that, I would have had the Texas > authorities arrest him at the local 7-11 that he was known to frequent > on a daily basis. The cult basically would have been cut off at the > head with Koresh in custody. It wasnt the cult they were after. Besides, since when has it been illegal to be a religious nut in America? 700 Club, et al. > But, as we all know, the ATF and Clinton/Reno were going to make an > example out of him/them. That is why the media was called ahead of > the initial raid and invited to film/observe the raid. That is also > why we have such good footage of the event. Yep. There should be some feds and prosecutors sitting in jail, right next to the Clintons. > The feds claimed they had been modifying semi-automatic weapons into full > automatic, though no such weapon was ever recovered. Obviously it must have been the aluminum weapons that they were doing that to and they melted in the fire... <snicker> Signature"Jesus might love you, but what you and your lawn service worker do behind closed doors is no one else's business" > > The feds claimed they had been modifying semi-automatic weapons into full > > automatic, though no such weapon was ever recovered. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > <snicker> Maybe they were weapons of mass destruction. No one ever seems to be able to find any of those anywhere they've been claimed to be either. > > > The feds claimed they had been modifying semi-automatic weapons into > full [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Maybe they were weapons of mass destruction. No one ever seems to be able > to find any of those anywhere they've been claimed to be either. And unlike Koresh, Saddam wasn't molesting little girls before Bush sent in the troops. Waco is a tiny blunder compared to Bush's Iraq fiasco. Mission accomplished! "As of Sunday, Oct. 7, 2007, at least 3,815 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count. The figure includes seven military civilians. At least 3,105 died as a result of hostile action, according to the military's numbers." How many died in Waco? -On Oct 7, 3:22 pm, "chilly" <slar...@shaw.canada> wrote: -> "Grumman-581" <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote in message -> -> news:ajkig31qjj09n3ac4kjjdlmoic1d9b3m96@4ax.com... -> -> > On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:00:24 -0700, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> -> > wrote: -> -> > > The feds claimed they had been modifying semi-automatic weapons into -> full -> > > automatic, though no such weapon was ever recovered. -> -> > Obviously it must have been the aluminum weapons that they were doing -> > that to and they melted in the fire... -> -> > <snicker> -> -> Maybe they were weapons of mass destruction. No one ever seems to be able -> to find any of those anywhere they've been claimed to be either. - -And unlike Koresh, Saddam wasn't molesting little girls before Bush -sent in the troops. Waco is a tiny blunder compared to Bush's Iraq -fiasco. Mission accomplished! - -"As of Sunday, Oct. 7, 2007, at least 3,815 members of the U.S. -military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, -according to an Associated Press count. The figure includes seven -military civilians. At least 3,105 died as a result of hostile action, -according to the military's numbers." - -How many died in Waco? waco: US civilians in the US by their own government making a clinto reno point? really insightful comparison. - - SignatureBob Crownfield crownfield@verizon.net > -How many died in Waco? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > really insightful comparison. You can nitpick the details all you want. The point is that they're both representative of needless deaths at the hands of foolhardy government officials. Reno could have handled the situation better. Obviously Bush should have handled the situation better. The main difference is that Bush is responsible for thousands of American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths, so you are right in that respect: there is no comparison. >> -How many died in Waco? >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths, so you are >right in that respect: there is no comparison. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths are a step in the right direction. > >The main difference is that Bush is responsible for thousands of > >American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths, so you are > >right in that respect: there is no comparison. > > Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths are a step in the right > direction. I'm sure plenty of the Good Christians here share your genocidal yearnings. That's what makes America great. >> >The main difference is that Bush is responsible for thousands of >> >American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths, so you are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I'm sure plenty of the Good Christians here share your genocidal >yearnings. That's what makes America great. Who says I'm a Christian? > >> >The main difference is that Bush is responsible for thousands of > >> >American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths, so you are [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Who says I'm a Christian? Not me. I'm not sure you've ever professed a religion here. For all I know, you're a Sunni Muslim and wishing hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths because the majority of them would be Shiites. Are you saying that's the case? >> >> >The main difference is that Bush is responsible for thousands of >> >> >American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths, so you are [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Iraqi deaths because the majority of them would be Shiites. Are you >saying that's the case? No, nor do I have a religious affiliation. I'd also like to see fat leftists die with them. They're as much of threat to this country, if not more, as the ragheads. > >> >> >The main difference is that Bush is responsible for thousands of > >> >> >American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths, so you are [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > leftists die with them. They're as much of threat to this country, if > not more, as the ragheads. Now you're getting personal. Muscle-heads on steroids should join the pot as well. You'll need some lean along with the fat. Is your desire for mass death an example of what some call "'roid rage"? >> >> >> >The main difference is that Bush is responsible for thousands of >> >> >> >American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths, so you are [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >Is your desire for mass death an example of what some call "'roid >rage"? I've never done steroids and I'm not a bodybuilder. As a matter of fact, I'm subject to drug testing at any time due to my membership in the powerlifting federation that I belong to. > I've never done steroids and I'm not a bodybuilder. As a matter of > fact, I'm subject to drug testing at any time due to my membership in > the powerlifting federation that I belong to. Suuuuuure. And I'm not fat or leftist. Actually, I'm a member of the NRA and merely big-boned. > Suuuuuure. And I'm not fat or leftist. Actually, I'm a member of the > NRA and merely big-boned. And next you're going to be telling us you didn't inhale... Signature"Today is the last day of your life so far." In rec.scuba, on Wed 10 Oct 2007 01:05:57a, Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> wrote: > Suuuuuure. And I'm not fat or leftist. Actually, I'm a member of the > NRA and merely big-boned. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. > No, nor do I have a religious affiliation. I'd also like to see fat > leftists die with them. They're as much of threat to this country, if > not more, as the ragheads. That's rather enlightened thinking coming from a Yankee... Ever consider moving down south with the rest of us right-thinking folks? > Who says I'm a Christian? Greg's leftist bigotry thinks that anyone who believes that the world would be a better place without Moslems must be of that particular religious sect... He doesn't seem to understand that someone can be basically non-religious and not like intolerant religious fanatics... Signature"I don't wish to be argumentative, but I disagree with the Islamic belief that I should be killed." On Oct 10, 4:55 am, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM- gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:51:21 -0500, John Hanson > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > religious sect... He doesn't seem to understand that someone can be > basically non-religious and not like intolerant religious fanatics... I fully understand that. There have been non-religious serial killers and genocidal dictators throughout history and that's fine with me. Then it's clearly a mental disorder and not their fault. What bugs me are the self-proclaimed "Christian" killers or wanna-be-killers. Combining mental disorders with hypocrisy is really problematic. Knowing that John is merely a rational psychopath and not a religious psychopath makes him much easier to comprehend. >On Oct 10, 4:55 am, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM- >gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Knowing that John is merely a rational psychopath and not a religious >psychopath makes him much easier to comprehend. That would be rational defender of self and nation. >> -How many died in Waco? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You can nitpick the details all you want. Naw, no need. According to you, deaths only count if they happen on U.S. soil. On Oct 10, 1:14 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > According to you, deaths only count if they happen on U.S. soil. Ever heard of the concept of "context"? Small foreign attacks on U.S. employees/contractors pale in comparison to huge domestic attacks on civilians, not to mention the damage to the U.S. psyche by taking direct hits on institutions like the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. Likewise, an unwarranted little government raid to stop child molestation and arms dealing that results in a few cult-member deaths in Waco, TX pales in comparison to an unwarranted major "war" that's cost us half a trillion dollars and killed almost 4,000 American troops, wounded thousands more, and killed tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis. Some of you guys have a little problem with relativity. > >> -How many died in Waco? > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > According to you, deaths only count if they happen on U.S. soil. And only if a gun is used. Dennis >> > The feds claimed they had been modifying semi-automatic weapons into > full [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Maybe they were weapons of mass destruction. No one ever seems to be able > to find any of those anywhere they've been claimed to be either. Of course, like with Waco, there was extensive evidence that they did in fact exist. On Oct 10, 1:12 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > Of course, like with Waco, there was extensive evidence that they did in > fact exist. And about ten times as much evidence that they did not exist. Conveniently, the latter was swept under the White House rug. >>> In rec.scuba, on Thu 20 Sep 2007 10:09:23p, "Scott" >>> <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > time and as such, would have fallen under Texas jurisdiction, not > Federal jurisdiction. The Davidians were under investigation for a -w i d e- variety of federal weapons charges, as reported by eye witness undercover informants, and that was the basis for the warrant. IIRC, he was ordering conversion kits 20-30 at a time. >Having said that, I would have had the Texas > authorities arrest him at the local 7-11 that he was known to frequent [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the initial raid and invited to film/observe the raid. That is also > why we have such good footage of the event. On Oct 10, 1:11 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > "John Hanson" <jhan...@northernlinks.com> wrote in message > > But did the US have grounds for a search warrant? If I remember > > correctly, he was only suspected of child abuse/statutory rape at the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > IIRC, he was ordering conversion kits 20-30 at a time. Pshaw. All that should be well within Koresh's Second Amendment rights, just as molesting little girls should be within his First Amendment rights of free religion and free speech. What kind of libertarian are you? > On Oct 10, 1:11 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Pshaw. All that should be well within Koresh's Second Amendment > rights, But it's not. >just as molesting little girls should be within his First > Amendment rights of free religion and free speech. What kind of > libertarian are you? > Pshaw. All that should be well within Koresh's Second Amendment > rights As far as I'm concerned, he would have been perfectly within his rights... Nowhere in the 2nd Amendment does it say anything about restricting the conversion of one type of arm into another type of arm... In fact, it says, "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"... Koresh was killed by our government because the powers that be did not approve of his religion and they wanted an incident to occur that would allow them to get the votes from the weaker mental midgets in Congress for the Brady Bill... Our government has a history of using bribery, extortion, and force against religions that it does not approve of... All the way from the bribery of the Mormans by the promise of statehood if they would modify their religious tenets to the extermination of the Branch Davidians... Signature"Taxation WITH representation ain't much fun either." >>> In rec.scuba, on Thu 20 Sep 2007 10:09:23p, "Scott" >>> <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >the initial raid and invited to film/observe the raid. That is also >why we have such good footage of the event. The county sheriff actually told the ATF that they should just walk up to the door. In fact, he volunteered to do so. One of the guys I used to autocross with can be seen in some of the footage of the goons going through the window. He stopped a .223 with his head. Or at least slowed it down. Some people considered him a hero. Signaturedillon Elvis is still dead >>>> In rec.scuba, on Thu 20 Sep 2007 10:09:23p, "Scott" >>>> <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >his head. Or at least slowed it down. Some people considered him a >hero. I remember that. My thinking at the time was "dumb civil servant". > One of the guys I used to autocross with can be seen in some of the > footage of the goons going through the window. He stopped a .223 with > his head. Or at least slowed it down. Some people considered him a > hero. Obviously if he had had someone other than empty space between his ears, he would have stopped it... Let's see... We have this group of religious nuts who think that the end of the world is coming and the government with its secret police will come and attack them because they don't approve of their religion... OK, let's all dress up in black and try to sneak up there in a massive show of force... They'll surrender, right? Duhh... Signature"Remember Folks: Stop Lights Timed For 35 mph ...Are Also Timed For 70 mph" > > www.dema.org/associations/1017/files/fbi%20Warning%206-07.pdf > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > is a clear fishing expedition with almost no chance of meaningful results > except, of course, to inconvenience the dive industry as a whole. Damn. Same smarts as feeling up Ann Coulter and WWI vets to be sure that no one feels slighted. The Israelis have it down. They aren't looking for weapons or things that could be used as weapons, they are looking for, finding and killing terrorists. > > > www.dema.org/associations/1017/files/fbi%20Warning%206-07.pdf > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Same smarts as feeling up Ann Coulter and WWI vets to be sure that no one > feels slighted. I volunteer for the former task (with her agreement, naturally). I wouldn't want anyone else to risk it. Dennis > > Same smarts as feeling up Ann Coulter and WWI vets to be sure that no one > > feels slighted. > > I volunteer for the former task (with her agreement, naturally). I wouldn't > want anyone else to risk it. You are so brave. I would avail myself (as if) just because of the way she gets the libs fuming with such ease. Couple keystrokes and they want legislation. > > > Same smarts as feeling up Ann Coulter and WWI vets to be sure that no > one [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You are so brave. Thank you! <snip> Dennis > Same smarts as feeling up Ann Coulter and WWI vets to be sure that no one > feels slighted. Pretty much. > The Israelis have it down. > They aren't looking for weapons or things that could be used as weapons, > they are looking for, finding and killing terrorists. I'm not sure anyone has it down, but some are a lot closer than others. > Page 20 of October issue of Scuba Diving. > > www.dema.org/associations/1017/files/fbi%20Warning%206-07.pdf Haircuts. They did not mention haircuts. Looks like someone's gonna blast up them Wakulla county caves really soon. Matthias "ben bradlee" <NoWay@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Page 20 of October issue of Scuba Diving. : :www.dema.org/associations/1017/files/fbi%20Warning%206-07.pdf From that document (U//FOUO) Exclusive purchases of dull or darkened gear, or visible signs of after market painting. So all you guys with black wetsuits, off to Guantanamo Bay with you, you evil terrorists you. Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. > "ben bradlee" <NoWay@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > So all you guys with black wetsuits, off to Guantanamo Bay with you, > you evil terrorists you. do you get orange wetsuits at Guantanamo Bay? >"ben bradlee" <NoWay@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard >resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >So all you guys with black wetsuits, off to Guantanamo Bay with you, >you evil terrorists you. Whew! I'm safe, I think. My 3/2 wetsuit has almost as much yellow as it does black. And my primary has a yellow faceplate on it. Does that mean no terrorists will be looking to grab my secondary? My secondary has a blue plate - what does that signify? Oh, and my fins have a lot of yellow on them. Is that incriminating ? - or dis-incriminating? My snorkle, if I ever carry it, has some yellow as well, and one of my masks, the Bigeyes. I should be good to go. Just to be safe I'll drag my orange Halcyon safety sausage trauiling loose behind me when I'm diving in the States. As a further measure of safety I'll write a disclaimer on my slate that I'm a Canadian thru and thru, that I don't club baby seals, and that I've been known to sip illegally produced clear colourless acoholic strawberry coloured hillbilly beverages from time to time. I'll laminate my passport to carry underwater just in case. JF :>So all you guys with black wetsuits, off to Guantanamo Bay with you, :>you evil terrorists you. Same goes for those of you with black fins. I'm safe now, I bought some yellow ones in Key Largo in June. Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. > "ben bradlee" <No...@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > So all you guys with black wetsuits, off to Guantanamo Bay with you, > you evil terrorists you. My local dive shop actually sells customized BCs and drysuits with camoflauge patterns and pushes rebreathers on new divers. I think I'll report them to DHS right away, or maybe I could blackmail them into giving me a discount instead. I wonder if camo would allow me to sneak up on sharks. In rec.scuba, on Fri 14 Sep 2007 10:47:33a, Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> wrote: > I wonder if camo would allow me to > sneak up on sharks. Only if it disguised you as a seal. There might be an issue with you not wanting to be that close to them though. > In rec.scuba, on Fri 14 Sep 2007 10:47:33a, Greg Mossman > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Only if it disguised you as a seal. There might be an issue with you not > wanting to be that close to them though. Out here we have sea lions. That's good, 'cause otherwise I'd have to cut off my ears to fit in. > "ben bradlee" <NoWay@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > So all you guys with black wetsuits, off to Guantanamo Bay with you, > you evil terrorists you. Can I take my dive gear? Will they let me dive the reefs rather than hang out inthe exercise yard? Dennis |
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