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ben bradlee - 05 Sep 2007 13:44 GMT
You were invited.  I had the best time of my life.

Drove to the destination on Friday.  It's 450 miles and takes between 8 and
8.5 hours of driving.  Average 30 MPG at about 60 MPH.  Stopped and ate both
going and coming making the trip about 9.5 hours.  Gas cost under $100.
Returned home Tuesday.

Stayed at HIE using points to pay.  Four nights in a nice bed that averages
around $100 per night.  Free breakfast of cereal, juice, a roll, and coffee.

To the shop between 9:30 and 9:45.  Only one place in town.  I was the only
diver for the first two days; there were two divers the third day.  It cost
$65 per day for the boat and guide for 10 AM to 4 or 5 PM.  The charter
service provides food and drinks on the boat, fish cleaning and air in the
price.  I brought my own tanks (air), water, and snacks.  The guide takes
you to wherever you want to go or will recommend.  Helpful tips are part of
the service.  The first two days was with a high school junior and the last
day was with the shop owner.  There was more BS on the last day making the
time above water more interesting.

Day 1:  Did one dive that lasted 7 minutes under 3 hours.  Shot a small
walleye and 4 bass.  Tips from the pro: Hold your breath and come up if you
don't see fish right away.  Used almost a tank of air.

Day 2:  Did two dives that lasted a bit over 2 hours.  Tried holding my
breath and determined that this skill requires practice.  Came up much
quicker than the day before to change spots.  Went home with 4 bass.  Tip
from the pro:  Surface if you don't see fish right away or if they have been
scared off by the bubble noise.  Missed two walleyes.  They were so close it
seemed I could not miss even if I didn't aim.  Proved I could - miss that
is.  Had a unique experience sliding down a cliff.  Went over the edge on my
fins and skied from about 20 feet down to 45 feet before adding air to stop
the descent.  (Don't have time to explain how this works or the conditions
involved but it is unique.)

Day 3:  Did four dives that lasted just under three hours.  Used the balance
of tank 2 on dive one and did the last three dives on a cylinder holding
about 60 ft3.  I'm thinking I've mastered that breath holding skill by now,
along with the accompanying headache.  Shot the last two bass to limit out
on this species along with two walleyes on the last dive of the day.

Shot a sheepshead and the spear bounced off one day.  Used a new Riffe gun
that works slicker than goose sh.t on a wet lawn.  Missed getting a nice
bass that I thought I had.  Used a dry suit with winter liner in 73 to 75
degree water.  At the end of the day the air temperature was 98 degrees on
the cool day and 101 or 102 on the other two days.  Riding in the boat was
like facing into a blowing hair dryer.  This is the only time in my life
when I've used just a glove liner in my dry gloves and my hands did not get
cold.

Three days of spear fishing on the 3-day license costing about $35.  Add it
all together with tips, meals, travel, etc. and the cash out is around $500.
That's less than $100 per pound for the fish.
David In NH - 05 Sep 2007 22:41 GMT
> Three days of spear fishing on the 3-day license costing about $35.  Add
> it all together with tips, meals, travel, etc. and the cash out is around
> $500. That's less than $100 per pound for the fish.

$100 per pound! What a deal. On my first scallop dive, I figure I paid
around $1000/pound. (Around $250 cash out for about 1/4 pound of scallops.
But, it was worth it.)

- Dave
Lee Bell - 06 Sep 2007 01:06 GMT
> You were invited.  I had the best time of my life.

Who was invited?

> Shot a small walleye and 4 bass . . . Shot a sheepshead . . .

As far as I know, walleye and bass are freshwater fish. The sheepshead I
know is a salt water fish, but apparently those in Canada use the same name
for a fresh water fish that looks nothing like the salt water one of the
same name.

Everyplace I know of, it's illegal to spearfish in freshwater. Where were
you that it's common enough to be supported by dive operators?
ben bradlee - 06 Sep 2007 12:55 GMT
>> You were invited.  I had the best time of my life.
>
> Who was invited?

Anybody that reads this group was invited.  Check the posts.

>> Shot a small walleye and 4 bass . . . Shot a sheepshead . . .
>
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> Everyplace I know of, it's illegal to spearfish in freshwater. Where were
> you that it's common enough to be supported by dive operators?

Pierre.  Spear fishing is regulated so at times it is legal and at times it
is illegal.  You need to check for open season and species permitted to
hunt.  I go spear fishing quite frequently.
Lee Bell - 06 Sep 2007 14:08 GMT
>> As far as I know, walleye and bass are freshwater fish. The sheepshead I
>> know is a salt water fish, but apparently those in Canada use the same
>> name for a fresh water fish that looks nothing like the salt water one of
>> the same name.
>> Everyplace I know of, it's illegal to spearfish in freshwater. Where were
>> you that it's common enough to be supported by dive operators?

> Pierre.  Spear fishing is regulated so at times it is legal and at times
> it is illegal.  You need to check for open season and species permitted to
> hunt.  I go spear fishing quite frequently.

All fishing here in Florida is regulated. Spearfishing in fresh water is
prohibited. Makes you wonder why it's allowed in one place and not in
another.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 06 Sep 2007 16:28 GMT
> >> As far as I know, walleye and bass are freshwater fish. The sheepshead I
> >> know is a salt water fish, but apparently those in Canada use the same
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> prohibited. Makes you wonder why it's allowed in one place and not in
> another.

Not much chance of an errant spear hitting a manatee in Pierre?

In Florida, every little bit of freshwater seems to be regulated or
protected in some way, given that most of your wetlands have been
developed into tract housing and condos.  In SD, wetlands and lakes
are merely defrosted snow and ice.  Since no one would ever want to
live there, the only risk of over-development is from prairie dogs and
they've found a way to get other people to handle that problem for
them gratis.
Newbie Diver - 07 Sep 2007 12:19 GMT
In rec.scuba, on Thu 06 Sep 2007 08:08:58a, "Lee Bell"
<pleebell@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> ben bradlee wrote
> All fishing here in Florida is regulated. Spearfishing in fresh water
> is prohibited. Makes you wonder why it's allowed in one place and not
> in another.

Because they don't have any salt water up there?
John Hanson - 11 Sep 2007 13:12 GMT
>>> As far as I know, walleye and bass are freshwater fish. The sheepshead I
>>> know is a salt water fish, but apparently those in Canada use the same
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>prohibited. Makes you wonder why it's allowed in one place and not in
>another.

State's Rights?
Conshelf - 11 Sep 2007 15:21 GMT
In rec.scuba, on Tue 11 Sep 2007 07:12:31a, John Hanson
<jhanson@northernlinks.com> wrote:

> State's Rights?

The concept was disproved back in the late 1800s.
Dan Bracuk - 06 Sep 2007 04:47 GMT
"ben bradlee" <NoWay@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:

:You were invited.  I had the best time of my life.

Sounds like fun.  Where was this again?

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
ben bradlee - 06 Sep 2007 13:00 GMT
> "ben bradlee" <NoWay@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
>
> :You were invited.  I had the best time of my life.
>
> Sounds like fun.  Where was this again?

Lake Oahe, South Dakota.  North of Pierre, almost the dead center of the
state if you're looking at a map of South Dakota.
Dan Bracuk - 07 Sep 2007 03:17 GMT
"ben bradlee" <NoWay@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:

:Lake Oahe, South Dakota.  North of Pierre, almost the dead center of the
:state if you're looking at a map of South Dakota.

Pierre?  That's pronounced pyair, right?  

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
ben bradlee - 07 Sep 2007 10:36 GMT
> Pierre?  That's pronounced pyair, right?

Pier.  Many think it should be pee-air or pyair as in French names or the
recent Prime Minister of Canada.  The twang may have a slight variation but
"pier" (raised walkway over water supported by pillars or posts) is the
closest word I've found to the native pronunciation.
JOF - 07 Sep 2007 14:02 GMT
>"ben bradlee" <NoWay@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard
>resulting in:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Pierre?  That's pronounced pyair, right?  

Nope. I was told by a be-jodhpured member of the local constabulary
there that it was Peer, and the nearby town spelled M-i-n-o-t was
My-not.

JF
John Hanson - 11 Sep 2007 13:14 GMT
>>"ben bradlee" <NoWay@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard
>>resulting in:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>there that it was Peer, and the nearby town spelled M-i-n-o-t was
>My-not.

Uhmm, Minot is about 5 hours away from Pierre...about 300 miles.
George Cathcart - 11 Sep 2007 13:16 GMT
> >>"ben bradlee" <No...@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard
> >>resulting in:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Uhmm, Minot is about 5 hours away from Pierre...about 300 miles.

Out West, that's nearby...

gc
John Hanson - 11 Sep 2007 13:26 GMT
>> >>"ben bradlee" <No...@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard
>> >>resulting in:
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>
>Out West, that's nearby...

Okay, I'll give you that one.
dechucka - 07 Sep 2007 00:37 GMT
> You were invited.  I had the best time of my life.
>
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> walleye and 4 bass.  Tips from the pro: Hold your breath and come up if
> you don't see fish right away.  Used almost a tank of air.

Are Walleye those pike type things that like murky dark water and when you
go fishing for them the best time seems to be in a gale so the water is
choppy?  One of the worst fishing trips I have ever been on, comfort wise,
was chasing these things. However it is a great tasting fish and fun once
they are hooked not as good as barramundi fighting or taste wise but very
good
ben bradlee - 07 Sep 2007 10:48 GMT
> Are Walleye those pike type things that like murky dark water and when you
> go fishing for them the best time seems to be in a gale so the water is
> choppy?  One of the worst fishing trips I have ever been on, comfort wise,
> was chasing these things. However it is a great tasting fish and fun once
> they are hooked not as good as barramundi fighting or taste wise but very
> good

Except for the gale part I think you have it.  Walleye, Northern Pike, and
Muskellunge (Muskie) are similar.  The Walleye is excellent eating and
commands a premium in restaurants.  Northerns are good eating but the meat
has a tendency to turn slimy before cooking.  That condition tends to turn
some off on the fish.  I've never caught a Muskie or eaten one.
JOF - 07 Sep 2007 14:09 GMT
>> Are Walleye those pike type things that like murky dark water and when you
>> go fishing for them the best time seems to be in a gale so the water is
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Northerns are good eating but the meat
>has a tendency to turn slimy before cooking.  

And it has too many little bones that makes it harder to fillet and
messy to eat. From a catching point of view they stink, literally, and
they're slimy. Bass are much more user friendly, and not just because
they have no teeth.

JF
John Hanson - 11 Sep 2007 13:25 GMT
>Are Walleye those pike type things that like murky dark water and when you
>go fishing for them the best time seems to be in a gale so the water is
>choppy?  One of the worst fishing trips I have ever been on, comfort wise,
>was chasing these things. However it is a great tasting fish and fun once
>they are hooked not as good as barramundi fighting or taste wise but very
>good

No, Walleye are not members of the pike family.  They are a member of
the perch family.
dechucka - 11 Sep 2007 23:36 GMT
>>Are Walleye those pike type things that like murky dark water and when you
>>go fishing for them the best time seems to be in a gale so the water is
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> No, Walleye are not members of the pike family.  They are a member of
> the perch family.

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