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Greg Mossman - 05 Aug 2007 19:55 GMT
Thank you very much Chris Guynn for your insight into my hard drive
dilemma.  You have saved my Grand Cayman pics.

At first it was touch and go.  I needed the S-ATA hard drive enclosure
for the drive that crashed on my trip and I figured I'd order an IDE
enclosure for the two other laptop drives I have sitting around to see
if I could get anything off them as well.

Unfortunately, the shop that you had linked to only had the IDE flavor
of the Sabrent enclosures.  I found another shop that sold both and
placed an order, but that seemed to disappear into vapor since I never
heard back from them after getting the auto-confirmation e-mail reply.

So I tried with a third company, at twice the original price but still
worth it if it worked, and got confirmation that they shipped the two
enclosures.  Unfortunately, what arrived was two IDE enclosures.  I
let them know of the mistake and meanwhile went to work on on of the
the old IDE drives.

The IDE drive didn't work.  I plugged it in and got an Unknown Device
instead of the USB Storage Device that was supposed to appear.  Not a
good omen.

The second shipment arrived Friday and I finally opened it today.  It
was the correct S-ATA enclosure, a good sign so far.  Popped the drive
in and voila, success!  I've now backed up the photos to two desktops
and I'll start working on them, hopefully having something to post by
tonight.

Thank you again.  I sincerely owe you lots of beers whenever we meet.
Naw, forget that. If any of the recovered pics are halfway decent, I
owe you and the wife a steak dinner.

"Whoo hoo!" -- Doug "Popeye" Frederick (c. 1990s)
JOF - 05 Aug 2007 20:21 GMT
> Thank you very much Chris Guynn for your insight into my hard drive
> dilemma.  You have saved my Grand Cayman pics.
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>
> "Whoo hoo!" -- Doug "Popeye" Frederick (c. 1990s)

So much for all those who say rec.scuba is a total waste of time, huh?
We not only have fun trading insults, but some here actually have
little bits of arcane knowledge stored away that comes in handy once
in a while. Good stuff.

JF
George Cathcart - 05 Aug 2007 20:30 GMT
> Thank you very much Chris Guynn for your insight into my hard drive
> dilemma.  You have saved my Grand Cayman pics.
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>
> "Whoo hoo!" -- Doug "Popeye" Frederick (c. 1990s)

Can't wait to see the photos, Greg!

gc
Greg Mossman - 06 Aug 2007 00:12 GMT
> > Thank you very much Chris Guynn for your insight into my hard drive
> > dilemma.  You have saved my Grand Cayman pics.
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>
> Can't wait to see the photos, Greg!

The first batch is ready, from the very first dive with the new
housing.  I wasn't having much luck getting the exposures right in the
shallows using the housing's ROC strobe control, but realized after
the dive that I had forgotten to program the housing for my particular
strobe type.  No wonder.

Also, I thought I had programmed the camera to max out at ISO 400, but
apparently this was reset to the default, as I noticed that the ISO
jumped to 1,600 at the deeper part of the dive, introducing lots of
unwanted grain.

Finally, the housing kept crashing every time I stopped using it for a
minute or so, and I'd have to reboot it and reset my aperture and
shutter speed again each time.  I later found out from my camera guy,
after I returned home from the trip, that Light & Motion had left a
crucial part of the instructions out of the manual: a required setting
for the camera to not automatically shut the metering system off after
inactivity.

So, with those caveats, here you go:

They're the Grand Cayman UW 1 collection:

www.kodakgallery.com/mossman
George Cathcart - 06 Aug 2007 02:54 GMT
> > > Thank you very much Chris Guynn for your insight into my hard drive
> > > dilemma.  You have saved my Grand Cayman pics.
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>
> www.kodakgallery.com/mossman

Greg, excellent compositions, and way to get close. The barracuda is
outstanding. On most of them, there's probably enough detail in the
highlights to salvage, so they're not totally blown out. As you know,
it's usually better to be underexposed than over. I hope you'll post
the rest soon.

gc
Greg Mossman - 06 Aug 2007 07:05 GMT
> >www.kodakgallery.com/mossman
>
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> it's usually better to be underexposed than over. I hope you'll post
> the rest soon.

Thanks.  I have to give lots of credit to the high-res camera and the
macro lens - it gets me close without having to get too close.  Even
close enough to shoot fishies while they're being cleaned, as you can
see from the last pictures in my set from the second dive, which I
just posted as Grand Cayman UW 2.  I can't wait until I get the macro
port upgraded to handle my 105mm VR lens, but Light & Motion is still
working on it.

As for overexposed vs. underexposed, I'll scrap a lot of pics if so
underexposed that they get grainy, unless the grain doesn't detract
too much like in the barracuda.  On the other hand, it's hard to avoid
overexposing whites and silvers, so sometimes you gotta live with a
little.  The diamond blenny (#15 in UW 2) is way too overexposed, but
since it was my only shot of it before it disappeared, I blew it out
even more to try to make it "artistic".

That's it for the macro.  Now I have to see what good came out of my
two wide-angle dives and that's gonna have to wait until tomorrow.
Dan Bracuk - 06 Aug 2007 13:03 GMT
Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:

:As for overexposed vs. underexposed, I'll scrap a lot of pics if so
:underexposed that they get grainy, unless the grain doesn't detract
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:since it was my only shot of it before it disappeared, I blew it out
:even more to try to make it "artistic".

You could always go natural light for the whites and silvers.

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
Greg Mossman - 06 Aug 2007 16:51 GMT
> :As for overexposed vs. underexposed, I'll scrap a lot of pics if so
> :underexposed that they get grainy, unless the grain doesn't detract
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>
> You could always go natural light for the whites and silvers.

I believe this was in natural light, but in shallow water (15' or so)
under direct sun.  It's the ironshore/sand flat that leads from the
Cobalt Coast dock to the miniwall, perfect for juveniles and small
critters, but very bright on a cloudless day and a bit surgey.  I
should have waited until the sun went down a bit or increased the
shutter speed and/or narrowed the aperture.  That's the learning
process.
Dan Bracuk - 06 Aug 2007 03:16 GMT
Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:
:They're the Grand Cayman UW 1 collection:
:
:www.kodakgallery.com/mossman

Cudos on image 8.

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
Greg Mossman - 06 Aug 2007 06:55 GMT
> Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
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>
> Cudos on image 8.

Thanks.  I've put Grand Cayman UW 2 up now, with two more queenies at
#1 and 2.
Dan Bracuk - 06 Aug 2007 14:20 GMT
Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:

:Thanks.  I've put Grand Cayman UW 2 up now, with two more queenies at
:#1 and 2.

16 is nice.

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
Greg Mossman - 06 Aug 2007 17:10 GMT
> Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
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>
> 16 is nice.

Thanks.

I love shooting fishies and the 60mm is perfect for that, but there's
only so many Carribean fish you can shoot before you've shot them
all.  Unfortunately this is about the only type of shooting I've
done.  Now I have to work on my wide-angle technique and that's a much
different game for post-processing as well, I'm quickly finding out.
Cropping a fish is pretty straightforward.  Sometimes you include a
bit of background if it's pleasant.  But cropping a section of reef or
wall takes a bit more time since there are so many options.  You may
expect a long wait before Grand Cayman UW 3 is ready for prime time.

Fortunately I only shot the camera on a few dives.  My last camera
only held 80 shots on a memory card, so I was conservative in my
shooting, and the crappy autofocus ruined most shots anyway so it was
easy to cull them.  This one takes 234 on a 4GB card in RAW mode, and
I just bought a couple 8GB cards for the future.  With 468 potential
shots on each dive, most of them in focus, it will take a lot longer
to wade through them.  If I do 25 dives on my Palau trip in March, I
could potentially end up with 11,700 shots to Photoshop.  If I spend
an average of 5 minutes on each, that adds up to 975 hours, or 40 full
days and nights, the same time that Noah spent outracing the great
flood.
Greg Mossman - 08 Aug 2007 00:49 GMT
> You may
> expect a long wait before Grand Cayman UW 3 is ready for prime time.

UW 3 is up now: the wide-angle pics.  These were all shot at f5.6 at
1/250, but I would have benefited by slowing the shutter speed to
1/125 or 1/60 and letting in more light.  Also, the north wall isn't
very fishy, which is why you don't see very many fish in the
pictures.  I prefer shooting fish, or at least reefs with fish.  Maybe
next time.
Joe English - 08 Aug 2007 02:24 GMT
>>You may
>>expect a long wait before Grand Cayman UW 3 is ready for prime time.
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> pictures.  I prefer shooting fish, or at least reefs with fish.  Maybe
> next time.

Great pics, Greg, - did you get any eels eating???

Been awhile since I have been in the water - love to go now - it is
super hot here in st louis - with very high heat index - my car read 107
at noon
Greg Mossman - 08 Aug 2007 03:59 GMT
> Great pics, Greg, - did you get any eels eating???

Actually I didn't see any on my one boat dive or any of the shore
dives I did.  I think Janna reported seeing a few on her boat dives,
but they weren't too plentiful.  I'd like to shoot some eels with my
new rig.  My last camera had such a long shutter lag, it was a real
feat to be able to time the exposure with an open mouth.  You gotta
have the open mouth.  No one likes a close-mouthed eel.  With the new
rig, I'll be able to not only shoot its open mouth, but shoot inside
its open mouth.  I can't wait until the port is ready for my 105mm
macro.  I'm going to have a whole series of eel mouths.

> Been awhile since I have been in the water - love to go now - it is
> super hot here in st louis - with very high heat index - my car read 107
> at noon

Sounds horrible.  St. Louis is bad enough without the heat.

We had our 100+ days for a couple weeks in a row, then it cooled to
the mid-90s for the past couple weeks, yesterday only 88, and today
was a very cool 83.  It's slowly going back up starting tomorrow,
though, to an expected 95 on Saturday.  But that's what I get for
living in a desert.  You in St. Louis have no excuse.

You wouldn't have liked the water in Cayman.  Too warm to be
refreshing.  The Galapagos, on the other hand, will be very
refreshing.  Come on down and meet me next week.  You're on your own
finding a boat, however.  I think ours is full.
Joe English - 08 Aug 2007 13:27 GMT
>>Great pics, Greg, - did you get any eels eating???
>
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> refreshing.  Come on down and meet me next week.  You're on your own
> finding a boat, however.  I think ours is full.

Don't think I would like the Galapagos - I like calmer water.  I've
never been all that impressed with the Caymans - but I Would certainly
welcome it.

St louis is certain a hell hole - don't actually live there - just a
short distance to the SSE.  But I can see it from here.  What makes it
so bad is very little breeze and brutal heat indexes
Greg Mossman - 08 Aug 2007 15:30 GMT
> St louis is certain a hell hole - don't actually live there - just a
> short distance to the SSE.  But I can see it from here.  What makes it
> so bad is very little breeze and brutal heat indexes

That's why you need to wear a beanie with a propeller.  It keeps you
cool all day long.

Is "heat index" the new PC way of saying "humidity"?  I've noticed
that the places that get high humidity are pretty much the same places
that a modern God would want to destroy with a 40-day flood:  St.
Louis, the rest of the midwest, NYC, Florida, the rest of the east
coast, the rest of the south, Texas, etc.  Maybe it's a sign.

On the other hand, we dry Californians are subject to premature
aging.  By the time I turn 80, I'll probably look 85.
Joe English - 10 Aug 2007 12:55 GMT
>>St louis is certain a hell hole - don't actually live there - just a
>>short distance to the SSE.  But I can see it from here.  What makes it
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> On the other hand, we dry Californians are subject to premature
> aging.  By the time I turn 80, I'll probably look 85.

we don't flood here - heat index has been around for quite awhile at
least since the late 60's early 70's - sorry you missed that.

I can understand why you would think this area would be a place that you
 think God would like ot destroy with all the hell you have gone thru -
torrential rains, earthquakes, droughts, raging forest fires, rock
slides on to highways, coastal highways washed away, and don't forget
illegal immigrants and road rage.

You should be here in God's real country
JOF - 10 Aug 2007 14:10 GMT

>> On the other hand, we dry Californians are subject to premature
>> aging.  By the time I turn 80, I'll probably look 85.

By the time I turn 80 I'll look 100. Does that mean I've really got it
good here?

>I can understand why you would think this area would be a place that you
>  think God would like ot destroy with all the hell you have gone thru -
>torrential rains, earthquakes, droughts, raging forest fires, rock
>slides on to highways, coastal highways washed away, and don't forget
>illegal immigrants and road rage.

I assumed that stuff was just so the rest of the country wouldn't be
too envious.

>You should be here in God's real country

Yer in northern Ontario?

JF
Joe English - 10 Aug 2007 23:21 GMT
>  
>
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>
> JF

oh, No.  Illinois
Dan Bracuk - 09 Aug 2007 02:19 GMT
Joe English <joeenglish2@wisperhome.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:

:Don't think I would like the Galapagos - I like calmer water.  I've
:never been all that impressed with the Caymans - but I Would certainly
:welcome it.

Galapagos had calm water when I was there.

Dan Bracuk
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
Joe English - 10 Aug 2007 13:00 GMT
> Joe English <joeenglish2@wisperhome.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
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>
> Galapagos had calm water when I was there.

I thought in Greg's last trip he did experience some days of very rough
water - that what I was referring to

But nice to know they do have calm water

> Dan Bracuk
> Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
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RSimms - 06 Aug 2007 17:26 GMT
<snip>

>So, with those caveats, here you go:
>
>They're the Grand Cayman UW 1 collection:
>
>www.kodakgallery.com/mossman

Some excellent photo's Greg.

Rick Simms
Greg Mossman - 06 Aug 2007 23:11 GMT
> <snip>
>
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>
> Some excellent photo's Greg.

Thanks.  Now it's time to get back in video mode for the next trip.
I'd love to bring the still camera stuff to Galapagos, but it's
"luggage embargo" time, so I have to pick and choose.  Instead I'm
going with a newly serviced video housing that had better not flood,
newly serviced video lights that had better work this time, a
redundant video camera just in case (which will also come in handy for
videoing land action), and 25 or so blank tapes that I can fill up and
add to my evergrowing pile of unedited video tapes.  I wish it were as
easy to do something with video as it is to quickly PS a photo, but
I'll get around to editing someday whenever I finally learn what I'm
doing and then it will be DVDs for all loyal rec.scubans.

My new experiment will be "one hour in the life of a whale shark",
whereby I grab onto one when no one is looking, then hang on for the
ride of my life for one hour, videotaping all the while.  I'm not sure
if I should use suction cups or barbed hooks to hold me on, but I'm
working out the details.  This will get me on Shark Week for sure!
Chris Guynn - 07 Aug 2007 14:58 GMT
> > <snip>
> >
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> I'll get around to editing someday whenever I finally learn what I'm
> doing and then it will be DVDs for all loyal rec.scubans.

http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/JVC-Everio-GZ-MG505-30GB-Digital-Camcorder/
2263824/product.html?cid=25608&fp=F


Plus

http://store.aikotradingstore.com/newjvcwrmg88.html

Should get you all the footage you want.

For video editing, this is what I use:
http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Products/Consumer+Products/Home+Video/S
tudio+Family/
,
but you may want something a little more powerful like
http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/.

If you've really got money to burn, you could go with the JVC GZ-HD7.  It's
basically the same camera but it comes with a built in 60 GB Hard drive and
shoots in 1080i resolution.

Video editing has never been so easy.
Chris Guynn - 07 Aug 2007 15:03 GMT
http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/JVC-Everio-GZ-MG505-30GB-Digital-Camcorder/
2263824/product.html?cid=25608&fp=F


Scratch that... I meant to send a link for the 555 instead ofthe 505.  The
difference is the 505 has a single CCD and takes (IIRC) 1.3 MP stills while
the 505 has 3 CCDs and takes 5 MP stills.  (Word is that the 555 has better
picture quality in video mode as well).
Greg Mossman - 07 Aug 2007 15:16 GMT
> Video editing has never been so easy.

If it's easy, what's the fun in it?

I already have the cameras, the housing, and lots of tapes.  I also
have a MiniDV "VCR" that lets me interface the PC with the digital
tapes without using the camera.  And I have editing software, Adobe
Premier Pro, that we bought at the student price while Janna was still
in school.  I even have the "Classroom in a Book" to teach me Premier
Pro.  Now I just have to put it all together and that's just a matter
of devoting enough time.  Time is what I never have enough of.
chilly - 07 Aug 2007 01:19 GMT
> They're the Grand Cayman UW 1 collection:
>
> www.kodakgallery.com/mossman

Where's the flying gurnard?
Greg Mossman - 07 Aug 2007 02:04 GMT
> > They're the Grand Cayman UW 1 collection:
>
> >www.kodakgallery.com/mossman
>
> Where's the flying gurnard?

On video.  Supposedly I'm allowed to post a few video clips on the
kodakgallery website.  I'll dig out the tapes from T&C when I start to
pack my video case for the Galapagos this weekend - I think they've
still been in the case since September - and if I can figure out how
to upload a few seconds of video, maybe I will.

It's not a very exciting gurnard.  Basically you see it sitting there,
doing nothing.  Then a bit of camera shake while I transfer the camera
to one hand and try to push the gurnard along with the other.
Action!  The lame fish waddles for a couple feet then stops.  And
begins to do nothing again.

My upcoming shark footage will be much more exciting, even the whale
sharks which don't do much of anything but cruise by.  You should want
to see that footage instead and stop bugging me about lazy gurnards.
Gurnards are thoroughly overrated.
chilly - 07 Aug 2007 07:55 GMT
> > > They're the Grand Cayman UW 1 collection:
> >
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> to see that footage instead and stop bugging me about lazy gurnards.
> Gurnards are thoroughly overrated.

You asked me about it, so I asked you.  :^P
George Price - 06 Aug 2007 05:50 GMT
> Thank you very much Chris Guynn for your insight into my hard drive
> dilemma.  You have saved my Grand Cayman pics.
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> "Whoo hoo!" -- Doug "Popeye" Frederick (c. 1990s)

I have had nightmares about not being able to do my underwater photography,
and I rarely have bad dreams.
Good show!  Good that it worked out.  For the K's we spend on some of these
vacations, if you don't have your UW pictures it can really make a
difference.

George
Chris Guynn - 06 Aug 2007 14:45 GMT
> Thank you very much Chris Guynn for your insight into my hard drive
> dilemma.  You have saved my Grand Cayman pics.

Glad I could be of assitance.

I enjoyed seeing the pics.

> The second shipment arrived Friday and I finally opened it today.  It
> was the correct S-ATA enclosure, a good sign so far.  Popped the drive
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Naw, forget that. If any of the recovered pics are halfway decent, I
> owe you and the wife a steak dinner.

I look forward to collecting someday.  Whether that's beers or steaks, I'll
happily consume my share.
Brad - 10 Aug 2007 04:23 GMT
Had a little play with one pic, hope you don't mind, would love a full res
copy but as I am on dialup that can be entertaining.
I'm just starting to play with a few uw pics to see what can be done and get
some practise for if I do get a housing for my camera.

http://gracemere.tripod.com/Temp/fishy.htm

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Dan Bracuk - 11 Aug 2007 00:16 GMT
"Brad" <bradleyden@spammail.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:

:Had a little play with one pic, hope you don't mind, would love a full res
:copy but as I am on dialup that can be entertaining.
:I'm just starting to play with a few uw pics to see what can be done and get
:some practise for if I do get a housing for my camera.
:
:http://gracemere.tripod.com/Temp/fishy.htm

tres cool.

Dan Bracuk
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