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beemerphile - 24 Dec 2003 09:46 GMT
I need some opinions on the split type fins. I'd rather get answers from the
group than my instructor/dealer.......

Is there an advantage is not working as hard but not going as far through
the water?

 I'm an old guy with a post surgery knee. The split fin seems to be easier
on the knee.

       Thanks for any answers/advice in advance, Howard
Jammer Six - 24 Dec 2003 10:07 GMT
> I need some opinions on the split type fins.

You want Jet fins, and a new instructor.

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TonyP - 25 Dec 2003 05:45 GMT
> € I need some opinions on the split type fins.
>
> You want Jet fins, and a new instructor.

While j6 can offer some good advice, this is not one of those times...
Rudy Benner - 24 Dec 2003 10:11 GMT
Here is an answer from someone who ones a pair. I also have a pair of the
'regular' fins. Best way to find out is to try them. Put a split fin on one
foot and a regular fin on the other foot. Off you go. The switch them
around. You will get the picture. The best kick on a split fin is different
from that of a regular fin. Experiment. Draw your own conclusions.

benner @ personainternet.com

> I need some opinions on the split type fins. I'd rather get answers from the
> group than my instructor/dealer.......
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>
>         Thanks for any answers/advice in advance, Howard
The Diver - 24 Dec 2003 15:40 GMT
split fins are great-very little work required to move them but they aint
too hot trying to fight a current.
hope this helps some
happy xmas
chilly - 24 Dec 2003 10:27 GMT
> I need some opinions on the split type fins. I'd rather get answers from the
> group than my instructor/dealer.......
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>   I'm an old guy with a post surgery knee. The split fin seems to be easier
> on the knee.

Try Mares Volos first before you try split fins.

>         Thanks for any answers/advice in advance, Howard

Good luck Howard.
Lee Bell - 24 Dec 2003 16:59 GMT
> Try Mares Volos first before you try split fins.

The only fin on the market that is uglier than Force Fins.>
chilly - 24 Dec 2003 18:04 GMT
> > Try Mares Volos first before you try split fins.
>
> The only fin on the market that is uglier than Force Fins.>

:^P
Matthias Voss - 24 Dec 2003 11:06 GMT
beemerphile schrieb:

> I need some opinions on the split type fins. I'd rather get answers from the
> group than my instructor/dealer.......
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>   I'm an old guy with a post surgery knee. The split fin seems to be easier
> on the knee.

easier on the ankle, yes.
easier on the knee, no!

Otherwise, opinions are split.

Matthias
H. Huntzinger - 24 Dec 2003 12:53 GMT
> I need some opinions on the split type fins. I'd rather get
> answers from the group than my instructor/dealer.......
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I'm an old guy with a post surgery knee. The split fin
> seems to be easier on the knee.

In general terms, you don't want a fin that will overtax your comfort
physical ability level ... afterall, recreational scuba means that its
supposed to be fun and enjoyable.

In general terms, this means that you're probably going to prefer a
smaller & more flexible fin that does less work with each stroke.  

There are new "fads" in diving, just like in anything else where
someone's trying to sell a product.  Split fins are generally sold as
being "more efficient" than other designs, and if there is a safe
generalization to make, it is mostly because they're not too big/stiff
to overtax the leg...much like using a bicycle in a lower gear to keep
the human bio-optimum ~80 cranks/minute rate.

Some people with knee problems like Force Fins.  

Different stroke styles can also make a difference (personally, I rarely
do a flutter kick anymore...I probably frogkick 75% of the time).  

IMO, the only safe advice is to try some different fins and fin styles
in an environment where the differeces will be able to show up, such as
actually taking them out on a dive.  Do note that because different fins
can use different muscle groups, it can sometimes take a couple of dives
to really get used to a particular pair.

Hope this helps,

-hh
Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 24 Dec 2003 22:37 GMT
" H. Huntzinger" <{NOSPAM-rm_to_reply}rec-scuba@huntzinger.com>
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:IMO, the only safe advice is to try some different fins and fin styles
:in an environment where the differeces will be able to show up, such as
:actually taking them out on a dive.  

Safe maybe, but hardly practical for most people.

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
BuoyantC - 24 Dec 2003 13:58 GMT
> Is there an advantage is not working as hard but not going as far through
>the water?

Here's another opinion and to address the second part of your question about
not going as far through the water.

I would say you only need to go as far as needed to fullfill your dive
objective.  If that is to just look around underwater, and current isn't an
issue almost any fin will do. Lot's of strong legged people seem to feel the
need to travel fast and far, but moving slowly and looking more allows you to
see more, develop better buoyancy,  and conserve air.
Personally I have tried split fins, but prefer the feel and control I have with
traditional fins - even with a "dinged" knee.  Also I dive with a buddy with
whom I can keep up.
Good Luck,
D.C.C.
Oahu Dive Center - 24 Dec 2003 16:07 GMT
As a diver with two repaired knees, I'll cast my vote for split fins being
much easier on the injured parts with no loss in recreational diving speed,
maneuverability, or performance.

Try everything you can get your feet in and decide from there!

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Oahu Dive Center
Kailua, Hawaii
1-866-933-DIVE
www.oahudivecenter.com

> I need some opinions on the split type fins. I'd rather get answers from the
> group than my instructor/dealer.......
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>
>         Thanks for any answers/advice in advance, Howard
Jammer Six - 24 Dec 2003 21:59 GMT
> As a diver with two repaired knees, I'll cast my vote for split fins being
> much easier on the injured parts with no loss in recreational diving speed,
> maneuverability, or performance.

Stroke alert.

And a "dive" center to avoid.

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Oahu Dive Center - 24 Dec 2003 23:41 GMT
"Stroke alert."

Just offering up my opinion to another diver with a similar situation. Kinda
what newsgroups are all about...

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Oahu Dive Center
Kailua, Hawaii
1-866-933-DIVE
www.oahudivecenter.com

>
> ? As a diver with two repaired knees, I'll cast my vote for split fins
being
> ? much easier on the injured parts with no loss in recreational diving
speed,
> ? maneuverability, or performance.
>
> Stroke alert.
>
> And a "dive" center to avoid.
Michael Wolf - 24 Dec 2003 23:53 GMT
> "Stroke alert."
>
> Just offering up my opinion to another diver with a similar situation.
> Kinda what newsgroups are all about...

yeah, but it's Stroke with a capital 'S'. So, you're in excellent company.

And the advice you gave was indeed very good.

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Lee Bell - 24 Dec 2003 16:58 GMT
> I need some opinions on the split type fins. I'd rather get answers from the
> group than my instructor/dealer.......

>  Is there an advantage is not working as hard but not going as far through
> the water?
>
>   I'm an old guy with a post surgery knee. The split fin seems to be easier
> on the knee.

You're going to get as many answers as there are people.  Most of us use
whatever fins we have because we've found them to be best for our particular
preferences.  I like my Mares Plana Avante TRE fins for all diving and
snorkeling and my Mares Power Plana Quatros for diving where power and
acceleration are a plus, spearfishing in particular.  You probably would not
like the Quatros, but might like the TREs, but you'd have to try them to be
sure.  On the other hand, if you already know that they are easier on a post
surgery knee, then I think you've already got the answer you are looking
for.

Lee
nospam@all.please.net - 27 Dec 2003 03:43 GMT
> > I need some opinions on the split type fins. I'd rather get answers from
> the
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> whatever fins we have because we've found them to be best for our particular
> preferences.

There is no best. One can only optimize for a given set of conditions.

Use splits if splits work for you.
Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 24 Dec 2003 22:38 GMT
"beemerphile" <beemerphileremove@sbcglobal.net> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:  I'm an old guy with a post surgery knee. The split fin seems to be easier
:on the knee.

Is that based on theory or experience?  If the latter, you already
know the answer and there is no need to ask us.

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
 
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