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Ed - 01 Aug 2007 15:15 GMT
eBay: http://301url.com/Bauer_compressor
Sheldon - 02 Aug 2007 02:46 GMT
> eBay: http://301url.com/Bauer_compressor

I'm still waiting to do my OW cert, hopefully in the next couple of weeks.
How much does it cost to fill a tank?  Just curious as to how many tanks
you'd have fill to make having your own compressor worth it.
Grumman-581 - 02 Aug 2007 09:17 GMT
> I'm still waiting to do my OW cert, hopefully in the next couple of weeks.
> How much does it cost to fill a tank?  Just curious as to how many tanks
> you'd have fill to make having your own compressor worth it.

Depends of the shop and size of the tank... Probably $4-8 usually for
an AL80... Either you buy a compressor because you actually *need* it
or you buy it for the convenience... If you're diving some place where
there are no nearby fill stations and just taking a lot of tanks with
you is not an option, having an engine powered compressor might be an
option that you should consider... If you get into mixing your own
gases, it might also be an option to consider if the compressor can
pump something other than air...
nitespark - 02 Aug 2007 10:46 GMT
>>eBay: http://301url.com/Bauer_compressor
>
> I'm still waiting to do my OW cert, hopefully in the next couple of weeks.
> How much does it cost to fill a tank?  Just curious as to how many tanks
> you'd have fill to make having your own compressor worth it.

Quite a few.  Shops charge different rates but $5-$7 is about the going
rate.
kryppy@. - 03 Aug 2007 06:06 GMT
>>>eBay: http://301url.com/Bauer_compressor
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>Quite a few.  Shops charge different rates but $5-$7 is about the going
>rate.

I have seen a few older 5hp gas driven units for around $1500.

What are the pitfalls I should consider before I commit to one? I am
huffing ten tanks a week and will probably step it up in the near
future. I am getting tired of going back and fourth to the dive shop,
and they close early.

Besides something like this:

http://www.metermall.com/product%20pages/gas%20detection/CO10%20Carbon%20Monoxid
e%20Meter.htm


What else should I be wanting and thinking of?
nitespark - 03 Aug 2007 10:51 GMT
>>>>eBay: http://301url.com/Bauer_compressor
>>>
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>
> What else should I be wanting and thinking of?

If it were me, I would probably want to get my gas analyzed, at least
quarterly to insure I am not getting any contaminants.  This will cost
about $325 annually.  You will need grade "E" analysis.  Is this just
for you or will you be filling for other divers?  If other divers, you
may want to consider liability insurance.  You will also need to replace
the filters at least annually or sooner, depending on the number of
tanks, or run time, or whatever the manufacturer specifies.
kryppy@. - 03 Aug 2007 13:20 GMT
>If it were me, I would probably want to get my gas analyzed, at least
>quarterly to insure I am not getting any contaminants.  This will cost
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>the filters at least annually or sooner, depending on the number of
>tanks, or run time, or whatever the manufacturer specifies.

Just myself. I have no problem changing the filters and oil after
every fill if that is what it takes, but I would really like to have
an analyser that can tell me everything I need to know.

At 22 minutes per tank, I will barley have time for just me.
nitespark - 03 Aug 2007 20:00 GMT
>>If it were me, I would probably want to get my gas analyzed, at least
>>quarterly to insure I am not getting any contaminants.  This will cost
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>
>  At 22 minutes per tank, I will barley have time for just me.

Certainly no need to change oil & filters after every fill.  The filters
can get kinda pricey.  I forgot how much a set of filters cost but it
seems $200-300 is about in the ball park.  I would absolutely want the
lab analysis on the air.

I am in a position I can get free air fills but only off of air that is
analyzed to grade D standards.  I would rather pay, and know the air has
been analyzed to grade E.

If you are filling 10 tanks per week and the local shop is either closed
or it is time costly for you to be taking tanks there for a fill, then a
compressor would be appropriate.

Find out how much the local shop charges for a fill, then figure out how
many fills you will need in a year and multiply it by the cost.  Then
compare the cost of the compressor, its maintenance, and the air
analysis.  Also factor in your time in maintaining the compressor vs
your time that would be needed to ferry tanks to and from the local shop.
kryppy@gmail.com - 04 Aug 2007 01:24 GMT
>Find out how much the local shop charges for a fill, then figure out how
>many fills you will need in a year and multiply it by the cost.  Then
>compare the cost of the compressor, its maintenance, and the air
>analysis.  Also factor in your time in maintaining the compressor vs
>your time that would be needed to ferry tanks to and from the local shop.

I have calculated this, and the payoff time is considerable - but the
time and effort + convince is making it sound very appealing. Thanks
for the info. I am going to look into grade E analysis as I am not
familiar with it.

>>What else should I be wanting and thinking of?

http://www.airspeedpress.com/newoxyhacker.html

Thank you for this. All the things they never taught me back in
welding school. I almost wish I didn't have such a big collection of
various CPV's in my garage just looking at the cover of the book.

Can anyone recommend a good cavern class in Central FL...?
nitespark - 04 Aug 2007 12:08 GMT
>>Find out how much the local shop charges for a fill, then figure out how
>>many fills you will need in a year and multiply it by the cost.  Then
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> for the info. I am going to look into grade E analysis as I am not
> familiar with it.

This is the company we used to have do our air analyis.

http://www.lawrence-factor.com/

Although there are lots of other places you can buy filters and get
analysis done, this can give you an idea of costs and whats involved.

You may have to contact them for prices.  I didn't dig that deep into
their website.
kryppy@gmail.com - 05 Aug 2007 01:02 GMT
>This is the company we used to have do our air analyis.
>
>http://www.lawrence-factor.com/

Thank you.
Ron - 03 Aug 2007 15:40 GMT
>Besides something like this:
>
>http://www.metermall.com/product%20pages/gas%20detection/CO10%20Carbon%20Monoxid
e%20Meter.htm

>
>What else should I be wanting and thinking of?

http://www.airspeedpress.com/newoxyhacker.html

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RayC - 10 Aug 2007 01:21 GMT
> I'm still waiting to do my OW cert, hopefully in the next couple of weeks.
> How much does it cost to fill a tank?  Just curious as to how many tanks
> you'd have fill to make having your own compressor worth it.

I sell a LOT of compressors, oil and filters so maybe I can shed some
light on this.

Owning a compressor is not something you do to save money unless you
dive a LOT!  Most people buy them for convenience or safety.

Convenience in that sometimes it is just a pain in the butt to drive a
bunch of miles to the dive shop for another fill to make a second dive.
 Or that you are going go diving on a holiday (when the shop is
closed)and forgot to fill the tanks.  Or that you are heading off on a
weekend dive trip to a remote destination with no shop around and have a
choice of taking your single tank and a compressor or eight tanks. I
think you get the idea.

Safety is another matter.  While most dive shops have excellent air,
there are a few others that pump junk...not poisonous ... just not too
great.  When you change your own compressor oil and filters, you know
the condition of your air.

As far as saving money, that is a complicated subject.  Taking the $3090
cost of a new compressor out of the loop, you still have to purchase
filters and oil. The following numbers are high and are based on filling
at least 100 fills per year but:
$60 - breathing air outlet filter good for about 40 fills ($1.50/fill)
$13 - high grade synthetic oil change good for about 60 fills (.21/fill)
$13 - inlet filter to be changed at about 100 fills (.13/fill)

Of course, if you pump less air per year, the costs go up since each of
the above items are changed at least every year. At about 1000 hours
(about 3600 fills) you can count on a full overhaul and that will run
about $1500 or .41/fill.

So ... not factoring in the initial cost of the compressor, you are at
about $2.25 per fill.  If you throw away the compressor at the 1000 hour
mark instead of overhauling it,your cost per fill is now closer to $3.

Oh man!  I forgot to factor in the cost of gas ans oil for the engine or
electricity for the motor!!  Might as well add in another few cents per
fill.

So I guess to answer your question, it will take at 50-100 fills per
year to really save any money over going to a shop.

Hope that helps!

Oh ... an let me know when you need a compressor, oil or filters and I
will get you the best deal I can find for you.

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Grumman-581 - 10 Aug 2007 08:30 GMT
> So I guess to answer your question, it will take at 50-100 fills per
> year to really save any money over going to a shop.

It would also be possible to factor in not getting a visual inspection
from a shop each year if you are never filling your tanks at your
LDS... That should be good for $0.15 to $0.30 reduction in the cost of
each fill... With respect to the cost of the fuel / electricity to run
the compressor, it's probably less than the cost in fuel to drive up
to the LDS... Well, it definitely would be less than the cost for me
to drive to my LDS...
Ed - 04 Aug 2007 01:27 GMT
> eBay: http://301url.com/Bauer_compressor

Winning bid $2,275
 
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