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Scuba Forum / General / August 2007with strings attached
Just in case y'all didn't hear, it's news in the cave community. Wakulla Springs & Leon Sinks had their lines physically tied together on Saturday by JJ & Casey McKinley of the WKPP. Curtis > Just in case y'all didn't hear, it's news in the cave community. > > Wakulla Springs & Leon Sinks had their lines physically tied together on > Saturday by JJ & Casey McKinley of the WKPP. Good to hear that news. Last I had heard, they had been around a mile apart. How far apart were they for this final run? -hh >> Just in case y'all didn't hear, it's news in the cave community. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Good to hear that news. Last I had heard, they had been around a mile > apart. How far apart were they for this final run? I imagine JJ & Casey will give a dive report soon, the announcement was made by onsite posting from their surface manager. Only details given were tie-in run was 1220, tied in at 11,200 from Turner Sink, BT was 250 minutes. To the newbies, that's over 4 hours at 270-ish FFW, one hell of a dive. Actually received a text message from a friend & dive buddy about 10 pm on Saturday night, suspect maybe he got it from the cave diver forum or the deco stop. Curtis > To the newbies, that's over 4 hours at 270-ish FFW, one hell of a dive. I'm curious. They use extensive surface and underwater support teams and chamber decompression, correct? How does this differ from commercial saturation diving, except that they're not getting paid for it? >> To the newbies, that's over 4 hours at 270-ish FFW, one hell of a >> dive. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > commercial saturation diving, except that they're not getting paid for > it? The money? I can't understand why they do it but they do it for love and they have acheived heaps so good on them. I'm a member of my local Rural fire Brigade; in the next town is a NSW Fire Brigade unit which I could join ( on a call out basis), they get paid to be called out to some of the same incidents I am at. I don't get paid and don't want to be ( the sexy PPE's are enough for me and the the big red truck I get to drive ). Go figure > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message > I'm a member of my local Rural fire Brigade; in the next town is a NSW Fire > Brigade unit which I could join ( on a call out basis), they get paid to be > called out to some of the same incidents I am at. I don't get paid and > don't want to be ( the sexy PPE's are enough for me and the the big red > truck I get to drive ). So you're like a fire vigilante? >> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > So you're like a fire vigilante? That's me keeping the world safe from the evils of fire ( among other things ) Actually in the old days getting a crew together was quite like forming a posse down to the local pub say there is a fire or an accident and grab the most sober for the crew. Bit more sophisticated these days proper training and pagers for information on fire calls > Actually in the old days getting a crew together was quite like forming a > posse down to the local pub say there is a fire or an accident and grab the > most sober for the crew. Bit more sophisticated these days proper training > and pagers for information on fire calls Do you guys get hoses nowadays or do you still have to use your beer mugs? >> Actually in the old days getting a crew together was quite like forming a >> posse down to the local pub say there is a fire or an accident and grab [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Do you guys get hoses nowadays or do you still have to use your beer > mugs? we use our own hoses why do think it is advantageous to be in th pub for a couple of hours before hand > >> To the newbies, that's over 4 hours at 270-ish FFW, one hell of a > >> dive. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I can't understand why they do it but they do it for love and they have > acheived heaps so good on them. Seems you do understasnd why wthye do it. Its right after "but" in the above sentence. :-) Dennis >> >> To the newbies, that's over 4 hours at 270-ish FFW, one hell of a >> >> dive. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > sentence. > :-) Yeah fair enough my " I can't understand" was more suggesting that I wouldn't do it and don't understand how they could love doing something like that > Dennis > >> >> To the newbies, that's over 4 hours at 270-ish FFW, one hell of a > >> >> dive. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > wouldn't do it and don't understand how they could love doing something like > that Yep, understood. Dennis >> To the newbies, that's over 4 hours at 270-ish FFW, one hell of a dive. > > I'm curious. They use extensive surface and underwater support teams > and chamber decompression, correct? How does this differ from > commercial saturation diving, except that they're not getting paid for > it? It is in the word "chamber". It is an open bottom bubble at ambient pressure, whereas a commercial chamber has an adjustable pressure. Matthias > I'm curious. Then read the dive reports, they're publically available, in detail, and current. I'll send you the link if you're lazy but want to eat as long as served up on a silver platter for you. Or go make silly comments on a subject of lesser dive relavance. :-) Yes, you're out, for now at least....... Curtis > > To the newbies, that's over 4 hours at 270-ish FFW, one hell of a dive. > > I'm curious. They use extensive surface and underwater support teams > and chamber decompression, correct? How does this differ from > commercial saturation diving, except that they're not getting paid for > it? Almost nothing is the same, except that they are in water. These guys have no chamber, no PTC, no SURDO2. They are on SCUBA, not umbilical. > > I'm curious. They use extensive surface and underwater support teams > > and chamber decompression, correct? How does this differ from [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > They are on SCUBA, not umbilical. And this obvious lack of essential safety measures is termed "doing it right"? I guess I don't get it. I sometimes admittedly drive around town without my seatbelt on, but it's always secured if I'm on the freeway doing 90+. > And this obvious lack of essential safety measures is termed "doing it > right"? I guess I don't get it. I sometimes admittedly drive around > town without my seatbelt on, but it's always secured if I'm on the > freeway doing 90+. Guess you better take them on. Meet Alton Hall.. > > And this obvious lack of essential safety measures is termed "doing it > > right"? I guess I don't get it. I sometimes admittedly drive around [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Meet Alton Hall.. You gotta love divers that travel with their own lawyer. > And this obvious lack of essential safety measures is termed "doing it > right"? I guess I don't get it. I sometimes admittedly drive around > town without my seatbelt on, but it's always secured if I'm on the > freeway doing 90+. That's not in the least bit surprising, there's a whole lotta sh.t you just don't get. > > And this obvious lack of essential safety measures is termed "doing it > > right"? I guess I don't get it. I sometimes admittedly drive around [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That's not in the least bit surprising, there's a whole lotta sh.t you > just don't get. Likewise, I'm sure. >> That's not in the least bit surprising, there's a whole lotta sh.t >> you >> just don't get. > Likewise, I'm sure. Well, go play with someone who wants to listen to your bullshit, I don't. Curtis > Well, go play with someone who wants to listen to your bullshit, I > don't. Then don't. No one is twisting your arm. >>> That's not in the least bit surprising, there's a whole lotta sh.t >>>you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Curtis Hear,hear.  Signature“TANSTAAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 ____________________________________________________________________________ > Just in case y'all didn't hear, it's news in the cave community. > > Wakulla Springs & Leon Sinks had their lines physically tied together on >Saturday by JJ & Casey McKinley of the WKPP. Congrats! > Just in case y'all didn't hear, it's news in the cave community. > > Wakulla Springs & Leon Sinks had their lines physically tied together on > Saturday by JJ & Casey McKinley of the WKPP. > > Curtis Wow. -- John Eells > Just in case y'all didn't hear, it's news in the cave community. > > Wakulla Springs & Leon Sinks had their lines physically tied together on > Saturday by JJ & Casey McKinley of the WKPP. Cool... So now all we need to do to dive Wakulla is to go in at Leon Sink? How many AL80s will that take? On Jul 29, 10:52 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM- gmail.com> wrote: > > Just in case y'all didn't hear, it's news in the cave community. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Cool... So now all we need to do to dive Wakulla is to go in at Leon > Sink? How many AL80s will that take? And a few scooters. JF > Just in case y'all didn't hear, it's news in the cave community. > > Wakulla Springs & Leon Sinks had their lines physically tied together on > Saturday by JJ & Casey McKinley of the WKPP. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0nNXAB6_kE This is a huge deal, congratulations to all involved > In article <yC9ri.9615$ax1.9...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > cavey_curtis@$$ says... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > This is a huge deal, congratulations to all involved Good stuff. Congratulations for sure. Not that I'm a cave diver but I know a few, and appreciate what something like this means to them, and what's involved in accomplishing it. I get occasional reports from our mutual friend in Mexico about their endeavours there, and the logistics of these things. I can only imagine what it must feel like to be lugging all that gear so deep and so far underground for such a long dive. Did I recognize the guy helping out at the beginning of the clip as one of our own contributors? JF >> In article <yC9ri.9615$ax1.9...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >> cavey_curtis@$$ says... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Did I recognize the guy helping out at the beginning of the clip as > one of our own contributors? That would be the Mighty Magilla. Signature"I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com On Jul 31, 11:00 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > >> In article <yC9ri.9615$ax1.9...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > >> cavey_curtis@$$ says... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > That would be the Mighty Magilla. What I thought. JF JOF >> Did I recognize the guy helping out at the beginning of the clip as >> one of our own contributors? Popeye > That would be the Mighty Magilla. Yeah, camera caught me a couple times, not just there. Been lucky enough to witness & assist several of the explorations. 'nuf said. Curtis > JOF > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > 'nuf said. Humble is the true mark of a true man. > > JOF > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Humble is the true mark of a true man. Something we're apparently not overburdened with here, huh? 8) JF > JOF > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > 'nuf said. Bashful!! :^) We'll be proud for you, whether you like it or not. > JOF > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > 'nuf said. I remembered your involvement from some of your other posts. That's why I was pretty sure it was you. It's nice to get a chance to play a part in that cutting edge stuff. I'm envious. JF > It's nice to get a chance to play a > part in that cutting edge stuff. I'm envious. Nice doesn't come close to describing my excitement at this point. I'm sure some here realize how this is more than just a monumental diving achievement. Curtis > > It's nice to get a chance to play a > > part in that cutting edge stuff. I'm envious. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm sure some here realize how this is more than just a monumental > diving achievement. One of us actually traveled across the nation to work for one of the turns that hang off the tails. > > > It's nice to get a chance to play a > > > part in that cutting edge stuff. I'm envious. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > One of us actually traveled across the nation to work for one of the turns > that hang off the tails. I realize you drove to Florida for a job at Brownie's, but the rest of it is too obscure for my limited cognitive abilities. I can only hope it was good for you. JF JF >> > I'm sure some here realize how this is more than just a monumental >> > diving achievement. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > it is too obscure for my limited cognitive abilities. I can only hope > it was good for you. My memory says he thought otherwise. Anyways, I'm thinking more like a similarity with the Reef Rescue guys. Curtis > >> > I'm sure some here realize how this is more than just a monumental > >> > diving achievement. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Anyways, I'm thinking more like a similarity with the Reef Rescue guys. Sewage? >> > It's nice to get a chance to play a >> > part in that cutting edge stuff. I'm envious. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >One of us actually traveled across the nation to work for one of the turns >that hang off the tails. I imagine it's sort of like when they linked the Flint Ridge System with Mammoth Cave in dry caving. The first ascent of Mt. Everest doesn't really compare to it, but that's probably where I'd start the comparison if I had to relate the story to someone else. I know there were oodles of people we'll probably never hear about who busted their butts to make this happen. Congrats to everyone involved. > I imagine it's sort of like when they linked the Flint Ridge System > with Mammoth Cave in dry caving. The first ascent of Mt. Everest > doesn't really compare to it, but that's probably where I'd start the > comparison if I had to relate the story to someone else. I know there > were oodles of people we'll probably never hear about who busted their > butts to make this happen. Congrats to everyone involved. Keeps a few of us out of jail, so it could be considered a selfish act... > > It's nice to get a chance to play a > > part in that cutting edge stuff. I'm envious. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm sure some here realize how this is more than just a monumental > diving achievement. Yeah. I got a fairly good sense of it from my friend Fred in Akumal. You can run his name by JJ. He'll fill you in. JF > I'm sure some here realize how this is more than just a monumental > diving achievement. Agreed... It now opens up Wakulla to us normal folks... All we have to do is go in at Leon Sink... And carry A LOT of tanks with us... <grin> On Aug 1, 7:17 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm sure some here realize how this is more than just a monumental > > diving achievement. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And carry A LOT of tanks with us... <grin> And remember which way the arrows point. JF >> I'm sure some here realize how this is more than just a monumental >> diving achievement. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And carry A LOT of tanks with us... <grin> When you try that, let me know. I want a picture of the faces when you pop to the surface at Wakulla. > When you try that, let me know. I want a picture of the faces when you pop > to the surface at Wakulla. That would be a kicker, wouldn't it? <evil-grin> Although they've tied the lines together, unless I'm mistaken, no one has made a non-stop trip between Leon Sink and Wakulla yet, right? Maybe they'll now turn their efforts to Blue Spring so that we can find out what is on the other side of Cork Rock? > That would be a kicker, wouldn't it? <evil-grin> Based on my SAC, you will need 118 AL80s just to make the swim, without considering safeties, drag or deco. Go get-em, Tiger. Curtis > > That would be a kicker, wouldn't it? <evil-grin> > > Based on my SAC, you will need 118 AL80s just to make the swim, without > considering safeties, drag or deco. > > Go get-em, Tiger. Rocket-powered scooter? JF > Rocket-powered scooter? Darwin Powered Dream? > > Rocket-powered scooter? > > Darwin Powered Dream? Super glue around yer mask skirt? JF > Based on my SAC, you will need 118 AL80s just to make the swim, without > considering safeties, drag or deco. > > Go get-em, Tiger. Damn, I only need 109 more tanks... On Aug 4, 12:06 am, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM- gmail.com> wrote: > > Based on my SAC, you will need 118 AL80s just to make the swim, without > > considering safeties, drag or deco. > > > Go get-em, Tiger. > > Damn, I only need 109 more tanks... Use the big helium tanks instead. Add a little O2 and you're good to go. >> Just in case y'all didn't hear, it's news in the cave community. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > This is a huge deal, congratulations to all involved Thanks for the link. A tremendous accomplishment by any standard! > >> Just in case y'all didn't hear, it's news in the cave community. > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Thanks for the link. A tremendous accomplishment by any standard! As Curtis said, while it is an impressive diving accomplishment, its significance to the state's understanding of the aquifer and impact on future development goes far beyond the diving. > Just in case y'all didn't hear, it's news in the cave community. > > Wakulla Springs & Leon Sinks had their lines physically tied together on > Saturday by JJ & Casey McKinley of the WKPP. Somehow when I hit the YouTube link this came up... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2t6MFAJMRI&feature=dir |
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