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need quick advice: Australia or PNG for a short trip?
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anishkej@gmail.com - 29 Jul 2007 20:21 GMT I just found 2 days ago, I get 2 weeks off from work, and I've been scrambling to pull together a trip...and I got really lucky....I was able to use frequent flyer miles to get to Syndey from San Francisco! So, I think the decision has been made for me!
I arrive in Sydney early in the morning Aug 11, and leave the afternoon of Aug 23. This is a short trip, but my type of work is not flexible.
So, I have two options: -as soon as I get into Sydney fly to Cairns ($400 USD roundtrip), and try to jump on a liveaboard to the norther great barrier reef and coral sea -as soon as I get into Syndey fly into Papua New Guinea ($1000 roundtrip)
I'm looking to do about 5 days of diving, and the rest of the time I will be top side. I would love to go to Papua New Guinea (I like cultural and outdoorsy things), but I have a few concerns: -do I have enough time? -is it safe to travel? The travel warnings are pretty intense...and even scared me a little, even though I'm really adventurous and outdoorsy. My last 2 trips were backpacking through east africa and brazil by myself.
thanks!
Brad - 30 Jul 2007 02:52 GMT >I just found 2 days ago, I get 2 weeks off from work, and I've been > scrambling to pull together a trip...and I got really lucky....I was [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > thanks! The PNG side.
One week is cutting it a bit close but is doable.
Danger is relative, if you wander about alone at night in the cities, expect to be robbed. If you have a local guide, it can be as safe as most big cities. All they want is money and valuables, they're not druggies and will rarely harm anyone if they get what they want. There are highway robbers but the police are working on it slowly.
At the moment one of the airlines looks like it has closed down. Airlink was the airline that serviced all the smaller airstrips and had a good timetable.
Try http://www.apng.com/ or http://bookings.airniugini.com.pg/itd/itd If Airlines PNG are operating at the required times, it is more likely to be on time.
The diving in PNG is fantastic and the water is warm, Cairns is not too cool but there the water temp is about 28C all year. Pt Moresby is the capital and has quite a few dive resorts, but it is not the greatest place for security. Madang is a beautiful town in comparison and has a couple of options for diving. Jais Aben (675) 853 3111 is good, I haven't been but friends all recommend it. I am based in Lae and the owner of the company I manage has a 60' dive boat as well a 25' Bertram so I have little need for other venues. If you were with a group I would recommend his boat but as it is only for charter and does not do daily trips, it is a bit expensive at about $1000 excluding grog a day for the boat but if you have 10 or so it is a bargain. There are WW2 wrecks (planes and ships) and lots of reef and fish. Google Madang to get some pics and trip reports. There are shore based dives and lobster are sometimes seen. Whale sharks have been seen as have marine mammals such as dolphins and a few species of whales. Leather back and green turtles nest in the region and I have seen them while diving the reefs. The pelagic fish, when they make a showing are a dream shot for the shutter bug as looking up through a school of large yellowfin is not uncommon.
Fishing is some of the best anywhere with 50kg yellowfin caught regularly at FAD 3 as well as Marlin and sailfish. The Mahi-Mahi are a great looking fish and are the best quality table fish found in the sea. The lobster at Coastwatchers motel is brilliant for the price. I can still taste the prawns with cream an capers. Madang town is fairly safe and has Golf, Lawn Bowls and other sporting clubs, if you like to drink (or should I say guzzle) and swap bs stories the motor boat club is for you. The local brew is SP and isn't too bad, once you get used to it. I'm off on Thursday to bring the boat back from being on the slipway in Madang and am looking forward to the 2 day cruise, hopefully I'll pick up a billfish this trip. The trip over was a bit slack with only a single 4' dolphin fish and 2 bust offs (on 24KG). No diving but it'll be a good trip anyway.
If you are a lunatic (one of those fitness freaks) the trails are second to none. The most famous is the Kokoda track but that take a week just for that, there are half trips available but need to be preplaned. In the highlands the people are at least half mountain goat making gardens on the side of mountains that I can not even walk up. Trekking in this area can be strenuous but quite rewarding.
If you want to stay in a traditional village while in Madang, I can arrange that and if you don't need aircon or 5 star, it is a good break. Good beaches, clear water, bush walks and best of all, friendly people. Bring your own food and accommodation would cost a couple of packets of sugar, some noodles and a bag of rice. Take some kerosene if you would like lights at night. I have a house in the highlands if you want to see that aspect of the country, It's not a tourist lodge but a traditional house set on top of a mountain within a village of friendly folk. Again I can provide a guide for a fairly minimal cost (I make nothing but you would need to give him something).
Overall the country is breathtaking and photo buffs love it here, the people in the villages away from the towns are great people but poverty in the towns is the cause of much of the crime. When in any town pick pockets and scammers are thick. A guide will make sure you are well cared for and make sure you have a holiday to remember for all the right reasons. Everyone has done GBR but the ones that have dived PNG will never forget it.
A few tips about PNG. It is not the place to go for a sex holiday if you would kike to keep all your fingers and toes. (high HIV rate as well) If doing photography bring 4 times as much film/storage cards as you think you could possibly need. Everything deserves a photo. Take Malaria meds before and after trip. Nothing runs on time or as planned, get used to PNG time, relax, bad language can see you in jail. Some potholes in the roads when filled with water can be dived and require deco obligations they are that deep. There are places that get 7m (280 inches) of rain a year. Thankfully it usually rains at night. If you just want colourful fish and night life Cairns is better. PNG is a REAL Adventure holiday.
Cairns side.
Cattle boat heaven, everything is slick and runs smoothly. Hostels are fairly cheap and the nightlife is brilliant. Book a trip in the mall with many boats to choose from. Live aboard available. The boat from the Madang resort is now in Cairns as a live aboard dive boat. Every visitor can blend in with the crowd, you are one of millions that visit each year so relax and have fun. The diving is as good as they say, the reef is good and the tropical fish have to be seen to be believed. Trimix available as is every facet of your diving needs. Mackers on the corner or 30 other restaurants in the CBD. Walk anywhere in the CBD at any hour of the day or night in complete safety. To the north there are brilliant beaches, not to mention the magnificent Daintree rainforest. Bungee jumping or the gondola ride up to the Kuranda markets and the train ride down make good day trips. White water rafting and other attractions too numerous to mention. The Tinaroo dam on the tablelands has XXOS Barramundi (like a Nile perch) that are amongst the biggest in the country. Pick up a tent and a bit of gear in Cairns and do a few days drifting about the tablelands or in the Daintree. You'll be there in winter but the day temps are warm and the nights cool (not cold). I lived there for a year and loved it. The female tourists are just plain hot and party all night and most of the day.
 Signature Brad Leyden 6° 43.5816' S 146° 59.3097' E WGS84 Music has many forms, it can be found in nature as well as man made. Music to my ears is when my Tiagra 50W starts singing when towing a Wombat. I wonder if that is what Steven Hawking "string theory" is all about. To mail spam is really hot but please reply to thread so all may benefit (or laugh at my mistakes)
Brad - 30 Jul 2007 06:06 GMT 11th is a Sat
PX06 Sydney - Bne - Pom 07:30 - 9:00 - 13:00
PX026 15:20 Pom - Mag is a bit close but if it on a single ticket and you miss it they will put you up in a 5 star hotel and fly you out 08:15 Sun.
Hotels have airport transfers but if doing the tourist thing a hire car is a must. Hertz and Avis as well as travel car are available. The Public Motor Vehicles are a tourist attraction all in themselves. Your African wandering may have prepared you for them.
Getting out on Wed might be a bit more fun but PX925 Mag - Pom 07:25 - 8:40 then
Airlines PNG CG200 POM - BNE 14:00 17:10
After that find your way to SYD for the next days flight. Do the Oprah House and climb the bridge. Perhaps a night on the town in Kings Cross.
Unfortunately I will be outa here on the 15th for a week in Oz so won't be able to do a tour in person.
 Signature Brad Leyden 6° 43.5816' S 146° 59.3097' E WGS84 Music has many forms, it can be found in nature as well as man made. Music to my ears is my Tiagra 50W screaming when towing a Wombat from Pakula. To mail spam is really hot but please reply to thread so all may benefit (or laugh at my mistakes)
anishkej@gmail.com - 31 Jul 2007 02:29 GMT Hi Brad, I really appreciate it! That was extremely, extremely helpful. I arrive into Sydney at 6:25 on the 11th, and I contacted the airline and they said it'll be no problem for me to catch the 7:30 flight.
How does the diving at Mag compare to Walindi vs. Tufi? The Febrina has a boat I could join up on the second day. I would have to fly into the Rabaul airport. FeBrina 10-19 August 2007. That is a nine night trip, departing from Rabaul and concluding at Walindi. Dive areas are Rabaul, Fathers Reefs and Kimbe Bay.
It's a little longer than I wanted since I wanted to do some topside stuff, but that could work.
Does anyone have any thoughts on the election results? will this cause any violence/instability? http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SYD249909.htm
I tracked down a friend-of-a-friend who went to PNG, and he said it was pretty rough, and they got held up at gun point, and that some european couple stupidly went wandering around by themselves, and got killed as a result.
> 11th is a Sat > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > To mail spam is really hot but please reply to thread so all may benefit (or > laugh at my mistakes) chilly - 30 Jul 2007 07:10 GMT (snip)
Cool response, very informative!!
> Take Malaria meds before and after trip. I can't take Chloraquine, damn near killed me once. Is there another anti-malarial that is effective for PNG?
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> Mackers on the corner or 30 other restaurants in the CBD. Mackers? Is that a MacDonald's?
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anishkej@gmail.com - 31 Jul 2007 02:20 GMT I can't handle Larium....I get crazy, vivid dreams.
I hear Malarone is good, but you have to take it daily.
> (snip) > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > (snip) chilly - 31 Jul 2007 04:28 GMT > I can't handle Larium....I get crazy, vivid dreams. As I understand it, one is not supposed to dive if taking Larium, so dreams or no dreams, that lets us out.
> I hear Malarone is good, but you have to take it daily. Yes, I've heard the same about Malarone, but not all anti-malarials are good for all locations. It's quite expensive too, compared to Chloraquine . .but then, what difference does that make to me anyway, since Chloraquine is not an option, no matter the price. :^)
> > (snip) > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > (snip) mag3 - 31 Jul 2007 16:33 GMT >> I can't handle Larium....I get crazy, vivid dreams. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >then, what difference does that make to me anyway, since Chloraquine is not >an option, no matter the price. :^) What about Doxycycline? I took that for Kenya almost 10 years ago as my anti-malarial. I was on a CCB at the time so the doctor wouldn't give me Larium.
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Arnold
dechucka - 01 Aug 2007 02:38 GMT >>> I can't handle Larium....I get crazy, vivid dreams. >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > anti-malarial. > I was on a CCB at the time so the doctor wouldn't give me Larium. Works well but you must look out for photosensitivity reactions
hierophantfish@hotmail.com - 01 Aug 2007 05:04 GMT > <anish...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1185844813.078231.189600@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com... <snip>
> Yes, I've heard the same about Malarone, but not all anti-malarials are good > for all locations. It's quite expensive too, compared to Chloraquine . .but > then, what difference does that make to me anyway, since Chloraquine is not > an option, no matter the price. :^) http://www.cdc.gov/travel/regionalmalaria/austspac.htm
anishkej@gmail.com - 31 Jul 2007 08:29 GMT OK, I wussed out. PNG was getting expensive and difficult, and I was getting nervous after a friend told me was held up at gunpoint. Sorry about that Brad. I appreciate all your PNG help, and I'm slightly bummed I'm not going.
but, I'm excited about Australia! Any liveaboard recs? as soon as I arrive into Sydney (Aug 11, 6:30 AM), I'm going to fly to Cairns. I'm looking for the following: -4 or 5 day liveaboard. My time in Australia is limited, and I wanted to do more than just dive -I'd love to try to jump on a liveaboard on the 11th or 12th -I'm a simple guy and would love to keep costs down. I don't need a luxury boat, but I also wouldn't mind having my own room. -I've done about 30 dives over 5-6 years, and it's been 2 years since I have dove. I'm taking a refresher course before I arrive, but this means I want to be on a boat that's responsible -I want to head out to the northern great barrier reef and the coral sea so I can check out the good stuff
I've heard the name Mike Ball, but the schedule doesn't seem to work out. It also seems expensive. Any other recs? I'd like to book in advance.
thanks in advance!
Jo Chang - 01 Aug 2007 02:49 GMT Spirit of Freedom http://www.spiritoffreedom.com.au/
Spent 7 days on this boat in March/April 2006. Food was excellent (came home wanting grilled tomatoes and mushrooms for breakfast). Dive setup was good but dive deck can get crowded if boat is full. Crew were young but conscientious. Divers ranged in capabilities from newbies to experienced. We sailed from Cairns to the Coral Sea and back again (they split their sailings into 3 and 4-day segments). Return trip was quite rough (many people hanging off the back deck looking very green). Of all the photographers on the trip, only 1 didn't flood his camera.
Check out the website.
> OK, I wussed out. PNG was getting expensive and difficult, and I was > getting nervous after a friend told me was held up at gunpoint. Sorry [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > thanks in advance! Jason - 31 Jul 2007 21:14 GMT On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:21:12 +0000, anishkej wrote:
> So, I have two options: > -as soon as I get into Sydney fly to Cairns ($400 USD roundtrip), and try > to jump on a liveaboard to the norther great barrier reef and coral sea > -as soon as I get into Syndey fly into Papua New Guinea ($1000 roundtrip) Are you only interested in doing tropical water diving? There's plenty of good diving further south in Australia. Plus if you've never been there before, there's plenty of other top side stuff to see.
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anishkej@gmail.com - 31 Jul 2007 23:32 GMT I'm only into warm water diving....
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:21:12 +0000, anishkej wrote: > > So, I have two options: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Seehttp://www.scuba-addict.co.uk/for UK diving reports and the UK > Underwater Visibility Database. View the database or add your own report Brad - 31 Jul 2007 23:39 GMT > On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:21:12 +0000, anishkej wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > good diving further south in Australia. Plus if you've never been there > before, there's plenty of other top side stuff to see. Pity about that, I've had a gun at my head here in Lae too, and so did my brother when he went to New York but Rabaul is magic. The active volcano is great, The QE2 cruise boat was there not long ago just for that. Diving in Rabaul is second to none in the world, rated number one by many photography magazines. If you were on a live aboard the safety issue is a non issue. Rabaul is among the safest places in the country and white men are treated very well, you have to experience it to understand what I mean. . It can get expensive but that's the difference between watching rally driving on TV and actually doing it. Perhaps next time. Cairns is great, safe and plenty to do, I consider McDonalds a big thing (I prefer a subway or Burger King) because here most fast foods require that you consume them not more than 30 feet (preferably 10) from a dunny because of the sometimes explosive results. I'm sure you'll enjoy Cairns, I wonder if that old bloke is still doing stunt flights in his tiger moth. If you can have a daytrip up to the Daintree and see a few crocs. There is a trip in a LARS, I think that's what it's called, I know them as an army duck and the spelling is as always wrong.
 Signature Brad Leyden 6° 43.5816' S 146° 59.3097' E WGS84 Music has many forms, it can be found in nature as well as man made. Music to my ears is my Tiagra 50W screaming when towing a Wombat from Pakula. To mail spam is really hot but please reply to thread so all may benefit (or laugh at my mistakes)
Daniel Kessler - 01 Aug 2007 02:47 GMT July and August in Northern Queensland is not the time for diving...but the time for the dangerous sea wasps to come out of the estuaries...a sting can kill a human, I'm told.
Something to think about. But hey, what about the Solomons...I had three trips there...all of them in July/August...Ghizo has some interesting diving, as does Uepi and what fun diving through that u/w cave in Munda was...one enters inside the reef into what looks like a "well" and then descend about 10 meters where a connecting tunnel takes you to the outside reef wall and a larger gallery...it was a little spooky and gave me a frisson! (that's French for...chill down the back)
> > On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:21:12 +0000, anishkej wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > To mail spam is really hot but please reply to thread so all may benefit (or > laugh at my mistakes) Brad - 01 Aug 2007 06:33 GMT Malaria isn't a big deal if you are fit and can get treatment quickly. Drop into the local chemist and pick up a small cardboard test kit and a round of treatment. If you don't use it donate it to the nearest aid post before you go home. Symptoms are head ache in a different area to normal and basically the same as the flu. The test kit is about US$10 and the good treatment is about 5 no biggie really. I carry it when I travel as the aid post near my house in the mountains in on the other side of a valley from the road and is about 2 hours walk (me being so unfit they would have to drag me up the other side). I get it about once a year, usually when I am going to Oz. I haven't had cerebral yet (that's the bad one) but treatment at the first signs fixes it fairly easily. If you get sick in the month after you go back make sure you tell the doc you are a malaria candidate and get a blood slide done. If you get the shivers that is a sure sign. 1 needle in the a.s and 2 tablets a day for a week, you'll be feeling better the same afternoon as the jab. Liver problems are known to result from prolonged untreated exposure but for 10 days wear Bushman repellent available in Oz and she'll be right mate.
 Signature Brad Leyden 6° 43.5816' S 146° 59.3097' E WGS84 Music has many forms, it can be found in nature as well as man made. Music to my ears is my Tiagra 50W screaming when towing a Wombat from Pakula. To mail spam is really hot but please reply to thread so all may benefit (or laugh at my mistakes)
> > July and August in Northern Queensland is not the time for diving...but [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] >> (or >> laugh at my mistakes) Jason - 02 Aug 2007 20:54 GMT > July and August in Northern Queensland is not the time for diving...but > the time for the dangerous sea wasps to come out of the estuaries...a > sting can kill a human, I'm told. As you say, sea wasps are found in the estuaries. They're not a problem on the reef which is 40 miles offshore. They're even less of a problem if you wear a full wetsuit and the water's not that warm at that time of year.
Jason
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Brad - 06 Aug 2007 23:27 GMT Did a snorkel at Tami Island (Near Finchhaven) on the weekend. Absolutely brilliant, fresh Coconut crabs for dinner, there were large schools of fish around the boat at night which was a little unsettling as they looked like one monster shark. After a few attempts to get it with the spotty we say they were suk-suk, like a trevally but shy of the light.
Prices at Madang were K295 (less than US$90) a day for 2 dives all gear provided. Not a bad sort for a DM either. Discounts for combined deals. Accommodation was from US$80 ($20 would get you into a real dive but not the good sort) a night up to whatever you wanted to spend. The resort has all facilities and snorkelling reef 5m from the dining area. Gouria pigeons are a must see. I know you have decided against here but FYI and for that of others.
In this Issue of Niugini Blue There are articles on Manta rays in Miline Bay, a look at Kavieng, PNG's most popular diving and surfing destination and diving Magic Passage in Madang. http://www.niuginiblue.com No I am not involved with the magazine, and that's last months cover. I sell truck parts and springs, I do subscribe and the latest edition was on my desk this morning. It also has fishing for marlin from a Banana boat. I only scored 2 Mahi-Mahi 1 Mackerel and a red emperor for the trip but they weren't bad and the jumbo sized crabs for US$2.50 made for a bonus.
 Signature Brad Leyden 6° 43.5816' S 146° 59.3097' E WGS84 Music has many forms, it can be found in nature as well as man made. Music to my ears is my Tiagra 50W screaming when towing a Wombat from Pakula. To mail spam is really hot but please reply to thread so all may benefit (or laugh at my mistakes)
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