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Dan Bracuk - 28 Jul 2007 19:32 GMT
http://www.divemagazine.co.uk/news/article.asp?UAN=3800&v=2&sp=332696698558344275332
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Sheldon - 28 Jul 2007 19:55 GMT
> http://www.divemagazine.co.uk/news/article.asp?UAN=3800&v=2&sp=332696698558344275332
> Dan Bracuk
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What does this have to do with padi?
Grumman-581 - 28 Jul 2007 20:30 GMT
> What does this have to do with padi?

Obviously it's PADI's fault for not teaching him that he shouldn't
smoke while diving...
John Hanson - 28 Jul 2007 21:19 GMT
>> What does this have to do with padi?
>
>Obviously it's PADI's fault for not teaching him that he shouldn't
>smoke while diving...

53% of all lung cancer patients never smoked.
Grumman-581 - 28 Jul 2007 21:49 GMT
> 53% of all lung cancer patients never smoked.

So, how many were also not exposed to 2nd hand smoke?
John Hanson - 28 Jul 2007 22:03 GMT
>> 53% of all lung cancer patients never smoked.
>
>So, how many were also not exposed to 2nd hand smoke?

I have no idea.  My son's friend's mother died from it two years ago
and she never smoked nor did anyone in her household.  That's when I
heard that statistic.
Greg Mossman - 28 Jul 2007 22:36 GMT
> >> 53% of all lung cancer patients never smoked.
>
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> and she never smoked nor did anyone in her household.  That's when I
> heard that statistic.  

Probably cigarette company propaganda.

"After Reeve's diagnosis, the American Cancer Society issued a news
release with these facts:

- Cigarette smoking causes an estimated 80 percent of women's lung
cancers and 90 percent of men's lung cancers.

- Environmental risk factors may include secondhand smoke, radon (a
radioactive gas), asbestos, and certain chemicals and metals.

- Genes could also play a role.

- Fewer than 3 percent of lung cancers occur in people younger than
45."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/07/health/webmd/main1378734.shtml
Grumman-581 - 28 Jul 2007 22:49 GMT
> "After Reeve's diagnosis, the American Cancer Society issued a news
> release with these facts:
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> - Fewer than 3 percent of lung cancers occur in people younger than
> 45."

I've known various folks over the years who have died from smoking
related illnesses... Smoking is not guaranteed to kill you, but it
does increase the probability of getting certain diseases... Kind of
like walking blindfolded across an intersection... You might get away
with it for awhile, but sooner or later the law of averages is going
to catch up with you... Some people manage to get themselves killed in
other manners before the smoking has a chance to kill them... Oh well,
good health is just the slowest way of dying...
Scott - 29 Jul 2007 17:35 GMT
"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote in message
> I've known various folks over the years who have died from smoking
> related illnesses... Smoking is not guaranteed to kill you, but it
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> other manners before the smoking has a chance to kill them... Oh well,
> good health is just the slowest way of dying...

BANG
Chris Guynn - 31 Jul 2007 14:35 GMT
> > "After Reeve's diagnosis, the American Cancer Society issued a news
> > release with these facts:
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> other manners before the smoking has a chance to kill them... Oh well,
> good health is just the slowest way of dying...

50% of all marriages end in divorce.  The other 50% end in death...
Scott - 29 Jul 2007 17:35 GMT
> > >> 53% of all lung cancer patients never smoked.
> >
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>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/07/health/webmd/main1378734.shtml

Hence the lawyers make money.

Look up "mutualism".

It is a form of parasitism where the parasite benefits the host.

Hence the Bar.

Do you ever listen to Tom Waits?

Wrong side of the road?
Chris Guynn - 31 Jul 2007 14:36 GMT
<snip>

> Look up "mutualism".
>
> It is a form of parasitism where the parasite benefits the host.

Wouldn't that be more of a symbiotism than a parasitism?
Scott - 31 Jul 2007 19:12 GMT
> <snip>
>
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>
> Wouldn't that be more of a symbiotism than a parasitism?

Depends upon whom you ask...

=;-)
dechucka - 28 Jul 2007 22:38 GMT
>>> 53% of all lung cancer patients never smoked.
>>
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> and she never smoked nor did anyone in her household.  That's when I
> heard that statistic.

Care to back it up?
John Hanson - 29 Jul 2007 00:22 GMT
>>>> 53% of all lung cancer patients never smoked.
>>>
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>
>Care to back it up?

That was told to me by her son...the doc had told him that.
dechucka - 29 Jul 2007 00:42 GMT
>>>>> 53% of all lung cancer patients never smoked.
>>>>
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>>
> That was told to me by her son...the doc had told him that.

I think I'll go with the scientific studies. Thanks anyway
Grumman-581 - 29 Jul 2007 01:17 GMT
> That was told to me by her son...the doc had told him that.

Obviously the doctors are always right... That's why their malpractice
insurance rates are so low...
Scott - 29 Jul 2007 17:40 GMT
> > That was told to me by her son...the doc had told him that.
>
> Obviously the doctors are always right... That's why their malpractice
> insurance rates are so low...

Right.

Which is why my son is dead.
Scott - 29 Jul 2007 17:39 GMT
> >>>> 53% of all lung cancer patients never smoked.
> >>>
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> >
> That was told to me by her son...the doc had told him that.

f.ck you would have been appropriate.
Chris Guynn - 31 Jul 2007 14:34 GMT
> >> 53% of all lung cancer patients never smoked.
> >
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> and she never smoked nor did anyone in her household.  That's when I
> heard that statistic.

My wife's grandmother died from lung cancer many years ago.

She never smoked a day in her life.  As a matter of fact, she didn't allow
people to smoke in her house.

The family had to fight tooth and nail to get the doctor to take the smoking
link off of her death certificate (i.e. cause of death = lung cancer caused
by smoking).  He "just assumed".

I bet that the actual numbers are way over 53%.
Dillon Pyron - 02 Aug 2007 02:07 GMT
>>> 53% of all lung cancer patients never smoked.
>>
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>and she never smoked nor did anyone in her household.  That's when I
>heard that statistic.  

Yeah, I heard something similar at the cancer center last year.  They
also call it the taboo cancer, since it seems that everybody thinks
"you had it coming".
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Greg Mossman - 02 Aug 2007 03:48 GMT
> >>> 53% of all lung cancer patients never smoked.
>
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> also call it the taboo cancer, since it seems that everybody thinks
> "you had it coming".

Obviously there's a lot of misinformation around.

"Cigarette smoking causes 87 percent of lung cancer deaths and is
responsible for most cancers of the larynx, oral cavity and pharynx,
esophagus, and bladder."

http://www.cancer.gov/templates/doc.aspx?viewid=2927BE53-725B-4135-A901-730912DA3343
 
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